Awesome tree, wonderful video. I was a timber cruiser in British Columbia years ago, and I have never lost my religious worship of magnificent old trees and all trees in general. I totally relate to Henry David Thoreau's writings about them. When you have spent a lot of time in the forest looking at trees and being in awe of how beautiful and incredibly essential they are in the entire natural world of Planet Earth--- you soon develop a love of trees and a realization of how important they are to preserve and protect.

Wow, That's a great video. I will always cheer for you in Korea I'm looking forward to a great video. Have a nice day.

I would have never guessed a big maple would decay so fast. Nature is amazing.

@richtomlinson7090

2 жыл бұрын

They are sort of sweet to the life that feeds off their carcass, and other species have a lot of bitter extractives in the heartwood that protect them. The Birch species seem to rot very very fast, and Maples pretty fast.

I just came from the pinchot sycamore 28 foot circumference last Sunday, and a few weeks ago the cathedral pine forests, and saw 130-150 foot tall white pines. And I have to say being in a forest of these trees is pretty magical.

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Jason, the Pinchot sycamore was accurately measured on April 28, 2019, by Bob Leverett and Jared Lockwood of the Native Tree Society... 28.7' cbh (circumference at breast height) (ie, at 4.5' above ground level), and was 98.5' tall, with an average crown spread of approximately 150' ! It was estimated to be in excess of 2000 cubic feet of volume.

@JasonVectrex_187

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewEnglandForests I knew the numbers were off, because the stone read 23 feet circumference. I did the math, it grew about a foot in circumference per decade or so since it was engraved. That was a massive tree I felt like a hobbit. But these pines were a completely different experience to be inside of a white pine forest. That was one of my favorite hiking trips it felt like home. Thank you for the info I updated my description for my vlog video

@richtomlinson7090

2 жыл бұрын

@@NewEnglandForests 2000 cubic feet of wood is the equivalent of almost 24 cords of wood.

Great video. I spent a couple years working in Maryland for a really great forrester marking timber and planting CRP ground. He worked as a contractor mostly for private land/ farm owners. It was a really fascinating education in species identification and sustainable forest practices. There's so much more involved than most people realize and it's really great see someone taking the time to share these videos. Thankyou

Another great video. I liked the music at the end, btw!

Trees are so beautiful. They are one of God’s great gifts.

That is a magnificent white pine.

Beautiful specimen !!!! THIS TREE MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS " .And I am a harvestor !

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Todd, yes, the Thoreau pine is exceptional in today's New England woods. Thankfully, it is in a protected public forest, although that protection is not statutory, and can be removed by administrative decision. But, this huge pine at least gives us an idea of what drew early explorers and settlers to these shores in search of massive shipmast timbers.

this channel ❤‍🔥

What a tree! It reminds me of the old-growth, closely related Western White Pines (Pinus monticola) near Sherman Pass in the Southern Sierra Nevada! Incredible! This coming from a conifer lover!

The living spirit of the tree.

Another home run video. Another beautiful end to my not so beautiful and hectic day. Thanks for the amazing vids guys. They are truly wonderful - helpful and meaningful to a lot of people.

I am Californian, though I've been lucky enough, very lucky, to visit Eastern forests on rare occasions. The Thoreau can gladly join the company of "my" Sugar Pines--and-Western White Pines (very closely related species), ANY time "she" wants to!!

Excellent video

oh....I know Bob's son Rob.....though I haven't seen him in a long time...his big thing was finding insulators along the old railroad tracks.....and flint-knapping - but he also knew a lot about old trees....

Wish I could measure the giant white pine that was on my previous property in Hampden Massachusetts, which stood much higher than all the other trees in the forest, it may be a rival of this magnificent tree here

Even still great video, thanxs

I agree the big trees keep putting on mass, A very large diameter tree, only needs to put on a thin growth ring in order to equal or exceed the growth of one with fat growth rings around a small diameter.

So this tree is on a south-facing slope? gathered that from your blog

There’s a White Pine here in Center Harbor, NH that’s close to or more than 13’ in circumference...don’t know the height and I don’t know if anyone but me knows of it’s existence.

Have you measured any of the trees in the Big Pine Natural area, Tamworth?

A good specimen to get seeds

What an incredible tree! We still have some old growth redwoods and firs out west but I grew up loving pines, climbing them and playing in their groves in MA What we have lost.

@mrwess1927

3 жыл бұрын

Time to replant

Beautiful mix of the technical and the poetic! Thank you for this video. When a tree is on a hillside like this, I'm wondering where one starts measuring up fom the ground to reach that 4.5' standardized circumference? I would think that there would be a big difference, depending on where the tape ends up. It looks as if Bob Leverett takes a high and low measurement. Perhaps his measurement is at the mid point of these high and low points?

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike (I assume that's your name), yes you're right- the 4.5' above-ground point is taken from the mid-slope point of the tree. So, you'd measure up 4.5' above the ground from the downslope low side, then 4.5' up from the upslope high side; the mid-point between those results is the final spot where you'd measure the tree's circumference. This method makes the assumption that the center of the tree is where its pith is located (which may not be true), and that's where the seed sprouted from which the tree grew. Really, it's mainly a way to standardize the measurement of circumference-at-breast-height (cbh). There are many complications one can encounter when trying to measure a tree's cbh. Eg, what if there's a bump on the tree at 4.5'?; do you include it in the circumference? What if the tree is multi-trunked at that height?, etc. The rules for measuring national champion trees (as governed by the American Forests organization) are still a work in progress, and Bob Leverett is one of the two people who are currently revising those rules.

I've never seen a white pine that size! I'm going to have to get up to this area and see these old growth forest areas along with the very old black birches that I saw in your other video. I've only read about how the white pines used to be before they were all harvested for sail masts and such. I've heard they could top out at over 200 feet.

@NewEnglandForests

7 жыл бұрын

The tallest known, accurately measured tree in New England at this time is a white pine in western MA; it's currently 174' tall. It's not likely we'll see a 200' tree here, if in fact there ever were any.

@notthatguy4703

4 жыл бұрын

There's been white pines toping 220'

I wish somebody could come measure some of the White Pines out in my Forest. Its a second-growth forest, obviously but these Pines are in an area that were once part of an orchard on my family's 200 year old Farm. So I have a feeling these Pines were there even when this was an orchard and Sheep pasture. Two of them are absolutely amazingly, massively, HUGE! My Grandpa called them Bullpines because they're not straight they have other arms/ branches coming off of them. I love them and I've named them. There's Big Mama and Thor♥️

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Victoria, it sounds like your pines are what's known as "old field" pines (ie, they seeded in to an open area, typically a place like an abandoned field, or, in your case, an orchard). Their multi-trunk form is an indication of that, and is usually caused by the topmost leader being killed by white pine weevils laying eggs in that newest growth; when that happens, the leader twig dies, and the whorl of side branches right below it curve upwards and become the new leaders, replacing the original single leader with several. You can learn more about this in "The White Pine Weevil's Life Cycle" on this channel, at kzread.info/dash/bejne/iq2fz7x8g8nYeZc.html. And if you want to really appreciate the white pine's role in America's founding, watch "Eastern White Pine- the Tree Rooted in American History", also on this channel, at kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIWnmdCops_cpKQ.html. Don't know where your pines are located, but you may be able to find someone from the Native Tree Society (ents-bbs.org) to accurately measure your trees. You can post a request for help there.

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

If you happen to be in the central/southern New England area, I may be able to arrange to have someone measure your pines (no promises).

@victoriav8124

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewEnglandForests . I am in Southeastern New Hampshire. in the Suncook Valley region. Epsom to be exact. I'm the caretaker of my family's home/farm/land since my grandparents are now deceased. Oir property is one of the last original homesteads that was set out when the town was laid out and Incorporated in the 1727.. the oldest house in Epsom dates from 1739. A Colonial House . Our farm still has most of the original acreage that was purchased in 1813. The family that purchased the land at 1813 three generations of this family farmed and lived on this property from 1813 till 1909. The first part of the house was built in 1818 . My grandparents bought the property 1955. I'm the caretaker of the property . Like my grandpa before me I know every nook, cranny, tree, rock... I'm really into geology. The property is filled with Glacial erratics. Massive boulders everywhere..Two Brooks run through my property w a sandpit between the.. it was a glacial river that ran into what was glacial Lake Hooksett...now the Suncook River and my house was right on the edge of it.. I know every tree on the property. you should see the size of some of the old trees that have fallen! I can't even believe the size of some of these fallen trees on the ground. They're massive!! I love it and there's some big old trees out there!! Massive birches, Oaks, Hickory... it's a wonderful place to forage mushrooms. Chicken of the woods, Oyster mushrooms, Chanterelles. Because of the glacier erratics, tress have grown right over these massive boulders. I call them they my spider trees. My grandfather redid the floor of our house from an white pine he had cut from our property. These planks were 2ft wide. I know almost every tree on all 140acres of my families land. It's a wonderful ecosystem and a beautiful Forest!

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great property. If you'd care to send a few photos of some of the trees of interest, you can contact me via my blog at www.neforests.com. That would be helpful. -Ray

seen a lot of these VB with the top broke off !

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Eastern white pine were typicaly that large during and before colonial times were they reached between 150ft and 250ft tall before they were all cut down. Now they only grow to about 100ft and very few reach anything near 150ft.

@NewEnglandForests

6 жыл бұрын

White pine height accounts of the past were often exaggerated, and probably very rarely exceeded 200 feet or so. There was no standard "foot" measure way back when, and that makes a lot of those old numbers unreliable. But in any case, today there are many forest-grown white pines that have been accurately measured in recent years to well over 125 feet and more, quite a few over 140, and a very few over 170. Open-grown pines will usually not attain heights like that, which is what you may be referring to.

@NewEnglandForests

6 жыл бұрын

The tallest tree of any species in New England, as of 2017, is a 175' white pine (laser measured) in Western Massachusetts, where there are also quite a number of them in excess of 150', and a handful over 160'. And they're still growing.

@swithinbarclay4797

4 жыл бұрын

And, during the earlier Colonial times, it was a Capital Crime, for both settlers and Indians to set foot in select White Pine groves, as those trees were dedicated to the manufacture of His Majesty's warships; to go into the building of manor homes for the Nobility in the Home Country; and, the manufacture of furniture, for those homes.

One speculates about how much of the [or a...] tree's volume is contained in root structures below ground. Could it be that the true volume of the organism is double what we calculate for the above-ground growth? We look up and are impressed....can we look down using ground penetrating vibrations or radar of some sort?

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

A generally accepted estimate puts the roots at about 20% of the mass.

The real power of a tree is its shadow.

Very nice video. Any idea how old this tree is and how it survived all the logging in the area?

@NewEnglandForests

7 жыл бұрын

Hi Al, thanks for the positive comment. The Thoreau Pine is in an area of old growth forest, which is located on a fairly steep mountainside, much of which is a boulder field environment. The terrain was probably just too difficult to log in years past (thankfully), but plenty of the surrounding forests were cut. Just uphill from the Thoreau is another monster white pine, named "Grandfather". These forest-grown, single trunk pines are estimated to be approximately 170 years old, and approaching middle age for white pines. We're currently working on a documentary of Massachusetts old growth forests (yes, we do have some remnants left!), which will hopefully be completed sometime next year. This area will be featured, as well as a number of others.

@almollitor

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I just finished reading about the Harvard Forest dioramas and the history of forest changes in New England. It's good to know there are still some remnants of virgin forest left.

@NewEnglandForests

7 жыл бұрын

The Harvard Forest dioramas are really well done, with impressive detail; they may appear in the upcoming old growth film. Some of the researchers from HF are cooperating with us on it too. I think you'll appreciate the results.

@austindenotter19

7 жыл бұрын

middle aged for that particular tree. most white pine seedlings wont make 20 years because of tree competition, bugs, deer etc. the ones that do have to endure fire, wind, lightening, floods. Then at 40 years we start to look at harvesting some of the white pines for lumber and pulp. they then are subject to select cuts until they reach a point where they become to large for any mill to use them or they get redrot and die.

I hope you are protecting it.

CORNWALL BRIDGE IN CONN HAS SOME COMPETITION FOR THE BIG WHITE PINES

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Ed, yes, there are some respectable pines in Cornwall. They don’t quite compare to the Thoreau pine shown here, but they’re certainly well worth seeing. You can get an idea of their current status in our “Cathedral Pines of Cornwall CT” film on this channel, at m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/god7o9iAita_hrg.html

I wish he had guessed at how old it was based on girth & height?

@NewEnglandForests

4 жыл бұрын

Joe, I believe the Thoreau pine is estimated to be approximately 180 years old, give or take. Girth isn't a particularly good gauge of a tree's age, varying greatly depending on growing conditions. Shade tolerant tree species can be much older than their small girth might suggest (and large-girth open-grown trees are often much younger than you'd think). We've cored a black birch that was 6" in diameter a few feet above ground level that was 100 years old. Eastern hemlocks can slog along in the shade for easily 100 years and be inches in diameter, until the canopy above is disturbed and the hemlock is "released" to grow more quickly in the increased light reaching it. White pine is moderately shade tolerant. You can estimate its age by counting the whorls of branches along its trunk, since the tree adds one new whorl of branches per year. Older whorls toward the bottom of the trunk may no longer be visible once those lower branches have been lost and bark grows over the branch stubs; and those lofty whorls at the top might be very difficult to count from the ground, frustrating one's efforts to determine age. Plus, tree tops can be broken more than once by storms. But on younger/shorter pines it can be relatively easy to estimate age.

@outinthesticks8176

3 жыл бұрын

They found trees along the st Lawrence thought to be the oldest in north America, only just a few feet tall

That's a beautiful big tree but if none of you have ever been out west, there are trees bigger than that in most Suburban neighborhoods. It's interesting how much smaller the trees are back east.

@Bluewaterpinessantarosabeach

Жыл бұрын

No. They were cut down. The beech and chestnut were mammoth and bearing destination. The forests everywhere have been cut all across the continent.

That is a beautiful big pine tree! But I guess that tree isn't standing today probably gotten cut off the why how people are these days don't care about the history of that certain tree they cut. But one thing that always gets me is can you try to get a measure the diameter size across the tree instead around it? Inerways just asking other than that good video of that:).

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

Randy, the Thoreau pine is still with us, it’s in a protected location. We measure circumference rather than diameter because it’s more meaningful due to the fact that trees are not perfectly cylindrical, so diameter will vary with the shape of the trunk.

@randymaylowski2485

3 жыл бұрын

@@NewEnglandForests hi thanks for replying to me! Now when you say Thoreau pine? Is that a name for the same species that other people call the white pine? Cuz it kinda does look like one? But hard to tell. But that's good it's on a protected land, trees that size of height and width, are becoming rare these days. So trees that size must try to keep long as you can, so people would have a idea how big and massive trees used to gotten ever since time began. Other than that again thanks for replying back.

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

The tree is an eastern white pine (Pinus strobus); it was given the name “Thoreau Pine” by Bob Leverett (the man in the orange vest) both as a way to refer to that specific tree, and to honor Henry David Thoreau, who was enamored of pine trees. Bob has discovered and measured many, many exceptional trees, and finds it very helpful to name some trees to be able to refer to them, as well as to honor people of note.

Why didnt he check the height? Maybe it was 165?

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

The height when last measured (Oct 2018) was 160.2 feet.

The Great God of heaven and earth takes pleasure in your valuing, measuring and even giving a little pat on the trunk to His tree.

Why don't they gather the seeds and plant more trees?

@NewEnglandForests

2 жыл бұрын

There really isn't much need to replant trees in our eastern forests, they regenerate well on their own. It's more a question of deciding to leave them alone and allow them to grow without our interference.

@peterfreeman3317

Ай бұрын

@@NewEnglandForestsYup Pines grow like crazy in SE NE.

this is why i dont support logging

@g3heathen209

3 жыл бұрын

Well, there are many forms of logging, I assume you mean clear cutting and not regular forest management.

Now hold it. This tree has a name, but you in your bureaucratic self absorbed way get to change it? Phooey!

A missed opportunity to educate all of us about forests. Too bad. The video says nothing about the environment, and support system. Why aren't there more young pines? Why is this forest so empty? Looks like some great composted leaves.

@NewEnglandForests

3 жыл бұрын

If you’d like more info about forests, please see the other films on this channel. This particular film was intended to highlight the Thoreau pine. The forest may look “empty” in the film because it was done in early winter when virtually all green foliage was down; a New England forest does tend to look bleak at that time of year. But that is an old growth area, though much of what you see is a somewhat younger patch within it. It’s a beautiful, lush, green forest garden in the growing season. There are not many young pines because they can only get started in a gap created by downed trees, and there’s little opportunity there for them to get started at this time, especially with the thick duff layer on the forest floor.

@peterfreeman3317

Ай бұрын

A farmers abandoned field gives way to cedars, then the pines fill in and choke out the cedar trees. Decades later hardwoods move in and take over the forest choking out the weak pines. Pines have shallow roots and if they aren’t thinned they will grow tall but skinny and snap during storms or get attached by bugs and ants. Beech trees also have massive branching which blocks the light to the ground eliminating competition. Maples multiply fast as well.