If you have any comments or questions about specifics in the video, make sure to read this. Here are a few clarifications and elaboration that I thought of after making the video: Let me say that I, admittedly, may have read a bit too much into the pattern idea and tried to force too many potential ideas into its visualization. I knew when I was writing it and seeing how often I had to change my hypothesis and interpretation that I was probably stretching it just a bit. However, with that being said, I don't think the idea that patterns were used is completely ridiculous. While the pattern I laid out may not have been as defined as I suggested, which is probably a good thing because if the pattern were too apparent, it would likely be distracting or too on-the-nose, it still had a noticeable influence, at least to me. It still built up the expectation of what would happen, raising the suspense. With all this explanation, I also wanted to draw attention to a mistake I made that you may have already seen, which is the result of my over analysis. There's a mistake as well. I said the pattern was a closeup on the suspect first, but that's not entirely true, as evidenced by Cooper and Clark, who didn't have a closeup of them specifically. However, the pattern still exists, except it's just a closeup on someone, rather than a closeup on the suspect specifically. Instead of seeing a closeup on Cooper and Clark right before Mac tests their blood, we see a closeup on Nauls through a rack focus when either Cooper or Clark are the current suspect. So, the pattern is a bit less specific. It's actually just a closeup on a character, then an insert shot, then a medium closeup on MacReady. Perhaps the reason there is no closeup on neither Cooper nor Clark for their blood tests is because they're dead and the movie simply puts less focus on them. Like a countdown, patterns build suspense by helping establish the expectation of what will happen next. The pattern I laid out doesn't mean that those are exclusive shots. There may be shots of other characters inserted as well but with each specific person being tested, you will see the shots in the pattern for that person in their testing period. "But isn't the reason we think Gary is the thing actually just that MacReady directly, through dialogue, calls him out and points him as the culprit rather than through a break in the pattern? Isn't the idea that the editing focuses our attention onto Gary a bit convoluted?" Well, yes and no. MacReady's words do makes us think Gary is the thing, independent of the editing. However, the break in the pattern *reinforces* MacReady's words. It adds another component that affects your experience on, perhaps, an unrealized level. You may not even notice how these edits affect your experience until you look closer or until you see an alternate version. I mean, even I didn't realize it until I looked at it a bit deeper. In this video, I'm explaining how the filmmaking choices affected my experience, so when I feel something has impacted me emotionally, I'm looking to see why, to see what choices made me feel that way, why I was disappointed or angry or sad, or, in this case, shocked at Palmer's reveal, and I believe it's not only because MacReady talked about Gary, but also because we showed Gary's face and hid Palmer's face- two editing choices. Remember, my view on cinematography and editing is that they nearly always work in service of emphasizing ideas already present in the script. They can, but don't typically, create ideas on their own, without the script influencing them, but generally, they add to what is already there. The context of the story and characters can change how you interpret a shot. You can have one shot repeated over several different stories and you'd interpret that shot several different ways. That shot doesn't have an exact meaning independent of the story. For example, a low-angle shot often indicates power and so you may think that the cinematography alone is creating the idea that the subject of that shot is always powerful. However, that's not necessarily true. Sometimes, depending on the context of that shot (the characters, story, etc.), a low-angle shot may indicate isolation or confusion-ideas contradictory to power. What lets you know how you interpret that low-angle shot is the context of the scene or story as a whole, which is nearly always found in the script. While you can say that it's also reciprocated (multiple different shots could change how you interpret a single story), it's not as big if anyone effect. The interpretation of the story, at least in my opinion, is more rigid relative to the viewer (it doesn't change through the filmmaking as much) than the interpretation of the cinematography relative to the viewer (it changes much more when viewed through different stories). Editing and cinematography shouldn't contradict what the story or the characters have been presented as, but they can reinforce the ideas those concepts represent or have portrayed. That's one reason why you can have no knowledge on the processes and techniques of filmmaking itself but still be able to understand and interpret the story. You can remove the visuals and sound from the script but you can't remove the script from the visuals and sound. Think of the removal of the suspects as a countdown to a bomb that may go off before 00:00. It could go off even earlier. With each dismissal of a suspect, the clock counts down, but since we don't know when it will go off, we get increasingly nervous, even more than if we knew it would explode at 00:00, because if it had an explicit explosion time, we wouldn't have to worry until the end because it could only explode at 00:00. Basically, there's much more uncertainty to the blood test. Theoretically, it could go off after the second person or the seventh person. Though it could, it doesn't have to wait until the eight person, making it even more unpredictable and suspenseful because while it gives us some information, it leaves much of it hidden. Keep in mind, the wide shots within this specific section are only shown twice and they are both at the beginning of the scene. The shots establish the layout of the room-how MacReady is standing over them as they are all tied together-which is important because, after those shots, we exclusively only see close ups and medium close ups, and during this entire time, we see only one character in each shot, except for one exception. So, for about three minutes, Carpenter keeps you physically close to the characters and emphasizes the effects and feelings those shots create and reinforce by sticking almost exclusively to them. It's personal. It's relentlessly claustrophobic. Then, when Palmer is revealed to be a thing, he finally cuts back to a wide shot with the characters literally tied together to once again show how the characters are connected, trapped besides a powerful but now known and terrifying threat. It's similar to the wides shown at the beginning of the scene, but this time, we know who the threat is and we are no longer unsure but terrified.

@dewittbourchier7169

2 жыл бұрын

I think the one thing that is the giveaway with Palmer is how his attitude is a lot more bored, surly, and how in his shot we never see his eyes. All the others are looking Macready in the eyes because they want to try and establish some kind of connection with a guy who could burn them and signal they're human and to show some pity and mercy. Whereas Palmer, being a thing, sees no need and while not happy about being revealed, is actually looking forward to terrorising people as the Thing has a certain demon, gloating arrogance about it. It does not just want to assimilate everything it wants the people it assimilates to die terrified and in great pain. If there was a quick and merciful way it could take people out it would not do it.

@robertdicke7249

2 жыл бұрын

This movie has an interesting spot in my mind I cant think of for any other movie at this point my life that really speaks on how effective it is as a horror movie. I say this cause I don't get scared by unrealistic situations anymore, haven't been in a decade at least. Even when I am fearful it isn't that sort of "safe thrill" one wants, I only get feelings of sickness and dread that come from seeing real world dangers that are translated to film like nukes going off and wide spread disasters... un-fun things I don't wanna be reminded of when seeking entertainment. However when I was a kid and still believed in ghosts and the easter bunny, most horror movies were effective for me. However over the years all the movies I used to be scared of became boring and nothing new was enjoyable to begin with. Now I see these monsters and just think... meh. The only movie that scares me enough to the point I refuse to watch since I first saw it is "The Thing". I don't like the movie. but this is only cause it was so profoundly effective against 5 year old me that it is an irrational fear that endures to adult me today long after I had out grown so may others. The reason I don't watch it has nothing to do with being uninterested and has everything to doing with PTSD.

You'll also note that the one guy who IS the creature is the only one who emotes when questioned. He flushes. He gulps. He breathes. He knows he's guilty, and recognizes the threat of the flame thrower.

@Blasted2Oblivion

2 жыл бұрын

and its still believable because the flamethrower would be a threat to a normal person and people, even innocent people, react differently to stress.

The most memorable part of this scene was Garry with the best line of the movie: " I know you gentlemen have been through a lot, but when you find the time, I'd rather not spend the rest of this winter TIED TO THIS FUCKING COUCH!"

@Grimloxz

2 жыл бұрын

EPIC.

@mistersamdi

2 жыл бұрын

My favorite quote in the movie, in fact. We watch this movie every year on Halloween :)

@danny_decheeto8300

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

Imagine if Macready actually was a thing during the blood test scene? Like everyone is tied up and he tests his blood and suddenly begins to change and mauls everyone

@cristiansaucedo4707

2 жыл бұрын

If he was the Thing and they were tied up, it wouldn't have to take the test, just attack them. Was thinking how the scene could work but if he tricked them into being tied up, doing the test, having the blood defend itself and then it transforms, it just seems long winded. Was thinking more while typing, but, if it had taken the blood of someone not infected to trick them and the viewers that it was human, it could work. It would require that it had kept a blood bag before destroying the rest, maybe anticipating the blood test and needing to use sleight of hand. The coworkers then tie themselves up, thinking everything will be all right and then it transforms and attacks the humans, freeing all of them after, when they are all infected and building a spaceship to fly to populated regions. It would only take 3 days to infect the world, as is shown in the computer's prediction...

@Vhlathanosh

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristiansaucedo4707 teasing them? Like haha I have you bastards tied, what you going to do?! LOL

@cristiansaucedo4707

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vhlathanosh Teasing them? Lol it's a horror movie. It would attack

@1krani

2 жыл бұрын

He could've been. We never see him draw his blood or put it in the dish, so he could've dumped someone's blood into his own dish off-screen, his plan to make himself the only source of information as to what happened at the outpost when he's found. John Carpenter said one of MacReady and Childs at the end was a Thing, so if Childs was human, MacReady-Thing could've been counting on him getting lost in the blizzard and freezing to death. But then Childs used the fires in the camp to find his way back.

@jasonblalock4429

2 жыл бұрын

Another aspect here is that I don't think the cast and crew ever quite decided whether possessed people actually knew they were the Thing. Various commentaries and documentaries have talked about how this was a running debate among them. IIRC, the decision was to just leave it ambiguous. Personally, I think it's more interesting - and more scary - if you assume the people are actually unaware they're the monster, that it's quietly "puppeteering" them, until it needs to take full direct control.

Macready: "We're going to test everyone's blood...We're going to find out whose The Thing." The Thing: *internal screaming*

@moodyowlproductions4287

2 жыл бұрын

Macready

@-Trauma.

2 жыл бұрын

@@moodyowlproductions4287 Reported and Blocked. I'm jk man thanks.

@Zeknif1

2 жыл бұрын

I screamed, the blood screamed, everyone screamed… fun times.

@-Trauma.

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zeknif1 🤣

@last-shinobi-of-the-oboro-clan

2 жыл бұрын

@@-Trauma. I know The Thing 2011 version, but that movie wasn't as good as this one. This one was a lot better. If they know about the whole "Organic" thing, it would've been even better

Guess who is the only person to blink in the long take during the blood test? Little hints like this is why this film is really a masterpiece.

@Harrysatt

3 жыл бұрын

Palmer because it singles him out to the audience.

@skinkroot

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Horne that was a plan, but it wasn't actually gone through with; in several scenes imitations can be shown to have eye gleam.

@FilthTribeFTP

2 жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Horne I think when the cinematographer had explained the eye gleam thing was just meant for that exact scene only, where Palmer-Thing basically accepts it's fate is sealed and while staring off into nothing with his head tilted, does a little half non smile smirk-shrug, as if to say "welp, it was a good run, guess I gotta eat these guys faces off now", as it knows it's caught. It was to show that it was, in essence, dropping the humanity facade, and getting ready to reveal itself, thus, losing the gleam in it's eye, a human trait.

@rinbin9772

2 жыл бұрын

@@FilthTribeFTP Yeah, he supposedly went to Carpenter later when filming the final scene and asked if they were going to use that eye-gleam tell again for the finale and Carpenter told him the ending's ambiguity is the point. The audience is never meant to know if either of the survivors are a Thing. The all-encompassing isolation, paranoia, and mistrust are the point.

@THEPELADOMASTER

2 жыл бұрын

@@FilthTribeFTP yeah because no other eye besides human eyes reflect light... I get the metaphor but it's stupid. Eyes reflect light, that's what the gleam is.

What makes “The Thing” so great is that it embodies a fact that all horror authors know horror is at its best when it’s simple

Interesting how THIS Villainous Scene is about a horror movie villain.

Fun fact, shown at 1:38 you can see that Kurt Russel was thrown back into the wall from the force of the dynamite going off. He said during the commentary that they hadn't anticipated the blast being so concussive, stating that "It went right through me, I was just lucky."

@ArchTeryx00

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they took a hell of a risk using real dynamite instead of a squib, but man did it pay off. You *felt* it when the dynamite went off and blew the Palmer-Thing to kingdom come.

I love how after so many years, people still talk about this movie. Also the fact that this movie, over the years seem to gotten more popular than the movie that beat it so many years ago. Eat you heart out, E.T. ;P

*Spoiler Alert* Keep in mind that John Carpenter adds to the element of surprise when, prior to the blood test scene, he has Palmer act the most shocked when Norris's detached head suddenly sprouts spider legs and scurries away. For first time viewers, this cements the misdirection in their minds that Palmer, of all people, isn't going to be the assimilated one when Mac Ready conducts the test. Good review--liked and subscribed.

@AegixDrakan

3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea that Thing-Palmer shock is because he sees the head trying to scuttle away and thinks "Are you SERIOUS. That's the dumbest idea, you're going to get caught you idiot". XD

@Galantski

3 жыл бұрын

@@AegixDrakan LOL -- Yeah, it's easy to see that as a possibility after the fact, and it could be right, though no one sees it coming (which is why a big reason Carpenter's film is so great). On the other hand, Norris-Thing is going to get torched anyway. Whether it grows the legs or not it's going to be a crispy critter in short order with Mac holding the flame thrower.

@Robertward111

2 жыл бұрын

This movie came out in 1982, don't worry about spoilers.

@LordVader1094

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robertward111 There's many younger people who don't know the film and who haven't seen it

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

@@AegixDrakan I got bit of the same impression. The Norris head thing actually stops as if to say.... 'Fuck you, fine, I'll be the scapegoat. Don't fuck up and eat their faces in my memory, okay?"

The reactions of the others tied to the couch made me laugh because it felt so natural to me, because they were screaming exactly what I would be screaming if I were in that position.

What I remember most about this scene was calling it that Parker was The Thing. I've heard people talk about how the earlier scene of the dog walking up to someone's shadow is excellent because you can't quite tell who has been assimilated, you just know *someone* has. But, I thought it looked like Parker's silhouette, right off the bat. So instead of surprise at the jumpscare, *I* was waiting for Parker to take off or grab someone before the test got to him. So I was still tense.

@LordofSadFac

3 жыл бұрын

You most likely already know this, but Carpenter knew someone could guess who that was with the Shadow Sillhoute, so he casted someone who wasnt part of the actual cast to do the scene, so that we couldnt guess who that was.

@kylefrank638

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordofSadFac I think I do remember learning that in the behind the scenes, so I was even more confused why it still ended up looking like Parker. Like the hairstyle looked the exact same to me.

@HalfTangible

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that the shadow person was Norris.

@spukman696

2 жыл бұрын

@@HalfTangible cuz it (probably) was Norris.

@chunkykong345

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordofSadFac I've always heard that the silhouette was Carpenter himself.

I find that the "Thing" has an example of how a monster is in an environment that is the opposite of it's weakness. With it being weak to fire, but it's in the arctic where the only fire is the limited equipment. I Find to be a very vague way to tell you the solution to the problem in a monster film. This lets us see how see how a monster has an advantage by using the environment or how the ways to beat are limited.

Here's a thing, At 6:10 we see a closeup of Palmer, but notice that his eyes aren't reflecting any light. This is a small detail added as Palmer-Thing knows he'll have to transform when he's tested. This is not a way to know who is and isnt the thing as literally everyone in every other scene, Including a scene where the thing is halfway through transformation, they have light reflecting from their eyes. Just a small detail added in post to show Palmer-Thing is getting ready to transform.

I love the thing soundtrack, it really gives a sense of anticipation. I also love that it inspired a soundtrack of one of my favorite games Deep Rock Galactic. The song is Into the Abyss and the intro gives the same sense of incoming dread.

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

Dun dun... dun dun... dun dun... dun dun... dun dun tip tip, tip, tip... dun dun, tip... tip...

Bit of a meta comment, but what I'm really liking about these One Villainous Scene videos is the different ways all the contributors approach the topic. Like OSP's video on Castlevania is this sweeping study on character motivations throughout a whole series and how the culminate in a defining scene. Then we have this video that gets deep in the nuts and bolts of a single sequence to show how much goes into the direction and editing. Hats off all around.

“The man is the warmest place to hide” -a rat, probably

@1krani

2 жыл бұрын

"Rats are the warmest place to hide." - Rat-Catcher 2, probably

Dude your video ITSELF was packed with tension, despite having already shown all of it! You, sir, are really damn good at this.

I heard someone talk about "eye light" in this scene; that they added a light to the pupils of the actors.. except for palmer. It makes the eyes look more human to have that glint.

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

Except that Palmer's eye's were clearly reflecting light during that slow pan before the blood test so we know that theory is busted.

@THEPELADOMASTER

2 жыл бұрын

His eyes don't have a reflection because he's looking down. Mac's eyes lose their reflection too when he looks down, like at 9:36 That's just how reflections work, the light from the light source has to have a direct path to the reflective surface to show up.

@scout360pyroz

2 жыл бұрын

@@THEPELADOMASTER It was a deliberate thing. A secret tell to answer the movies final question.

As far as my memory goes, the best experience I've had with a movie revealing a monster was in "Reign of Fire"(2002) when they progressively reveal more and more of how those dragons look. 😄

I like how you did one villainous scene a year before the playlist lol

I can't believe they made a whole movie based on Among Us

@H2Mass

2 жыл бұрын

The forethought was unreal

@SomeYouTubeTraveler

2 жыл бұрын

Palmer: "not me, I have scan. gary sus tho" Macready: "aight everyone follow palmer then vote gary if safe" Palmer: [sweats nervously]

@-_.Melody._-

2 жыл бұрын

*Yes officer, this comment right here.*

@tyherbert3842

2 жыл бұрын

...why are you like this

@hostile_prof

2 жыл бұрын

@@tyherbert3842 I'm an agent of chaos

The Thing is one of my favourite films, and I think you did a great job analysing it here. Your theory on the shot pattern during each test is interesting- I hadn't noticed it before. Honestly, good job on this man. I hope your channel grows.

@H2Mass

4 жыл бұрын

One of my favorites too

13:50 there is also the idea that the people the thing takes over dont actually know what they are until it activates them.

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

Makes the Thing even more frightening if it turns out they really don't.

What is also brilliant as well, is the fact that their humanity is what separates them in this scenario. Their suspicions of each other splits them while the thing remains an observer

I wonder if Palmer's line about Aliens controlling South America came before or after he becomes assimilated by The Thing. Would add a whole new level of depth to that line if it was AFTER he became a thing that he said that.

8:31 One technical touch I appreciate: Carpenter introduces the fake stunt hand earlier in the scene here, in a way that doesn't draw attention to it. So when the audience sees the fake hand again just before the jumpscare, they're less likely to notice it. This makes it more surprising when the explosive blood effect happens. Otherwise, it looks just fake enough that its mere presence might tip off eagle-eyed viewers if it *only* appeared just before the big scare. (Which was a big problem with 80s gore effects in general.)

One of the best elements of this scene even beyond all the amazing suspense and direction of it....is that it (along with the ending) really questions what The Thing is. Palmer is sus...but in a very human way. Much of what The Thing does throughout the film can easily be read as either an accident or a desperate attempt to survive, and as alien and unknowable as Maccready believes The Thing to be, the film doesn't fully justify that thought. The Thing is harmful and violent and a monster because the humans are harmful and violent and monsters. It is a reflection of humanity, and not in a good way. And that question that is at the heart of the film is "if they had shown the better parts of humanity, would The Thing have reflected those instead?" It's specifically not answered, but there are enough crumbs of that idea littered through the film to leave you wondering.

I have no idea why this doesn't have more views, great analysis of a great scene from a great movie. I'll be keeping this scene in mind next time I watch The Thing

Palmer: "not me, I have scan. gary sus tho" Macready: "aight everyone follow palmer then vote gary if safe" Palmer: [sweats nervously]

One more thing (pun unintended) about this scene to reveal who is a suspect and who was a Thing is the cinematographer's admission of not seeing the light in Palmer's eyes. When the scene begins, you see a glint in his eye like everyone else, but as the scene goes on until he's outed the light diminishes entirely.

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

That's because he's not looking towards the camera and lights, he's looking away towards the floor. Also, in t dvd commentary, John carpenter said that the cinematographer did say that he COULD eliminate the reflection, but that he DIDN'T because he left NO subtle clues as to who may or may not be a Thing.

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

@@rsrt6910 Yep. We see Child's breath as well in better resolution, also Bennings Thing screamed out in the snow and showed breath. Also, fuel in the canteen at the end myth would be dumb as a perfect imitator of Childs or MacReady would know the diff between tasting alcohol and fuel. No clues, just straw grasping.

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

@@gmork1090 Yeah, a close friend of mine saw it for the first time recently and she didn't like it because of the ending. Months later she came to the conclusion that it was a masterpiece because she started coming up with all kinds of theories about who might be a Thing before realizing there was NO closure and the tension was driving her nuts.

the Vangelis score is really neat

@tadpolegaming4510

2 жыл бұрын

Not Vangelis

I think instead of one villainous scene when it comes to movie monsters it should be called one monstrous scene.

It's stuff like that that makes me say that The Thing is the closest that Hollywood has ever come to putting Lovecraft on the big screen. There's lots of other Lovecraft-inspired stuff and even more gory horrors than the Things, but it's the paranoia, tension, and gradually escalating madness that sells the Lovecraft atmosphere, every bit as much as the Things themselves. (If you want a different take on this story, look up Glorious, which has nearly as much paranoia and claustrophobia with a cast down to two: One poor unfortunate soul, and one Ghatanothoa, a Great Old One trying to prevent the return of Cthulhu. A Thing that can actually converse with you, which manages to be pretty creepy in its own right).

Another point to add to this amazing video. Carpenter said he intentionally kept details of how the thing worked vague to increase the audiences paranoia. Such as if those who are assimilated are "dead" and just a thing pretending or if they are totally unaware until the thing reveals itself. With Palmer, his weirdly calm nature could be attributed to him being a stoner. If you have done it or know someone who does, you may have noticed that even after their high is gone, many stoners will be calmer and non-plussed for a day or so afterward.

I always wondered, if a person was assimilated, would they be aware of it? Would the Thing operate on a subconscious level, since it seems to be able to imitate personality. It doesn’t matter to the plot, but it’s interesting.

@H2Mass

3 жыл бұрын

I've wondered that too. I'm not sure.

@brightestlight9462

3 жыл бұрын

the book apparently goes into extreme detail about this, as it's from the perspective of The Thing

@21stcenturyhiphop

3 жыл бұрын

Imo, the person wouldn't be aware of it, on a conscious level, but would be aware of it subconsciously, because the subconscious IS where the Thing hides. The victims are basically still alive, but guided by an unseen hand. People question this notion by saying the victims are dead, but the Thing imitates completely, to the point where behaves like you, even to it's own detriment. It's not a body snatcher, bereft of emotion; it takes you over to the point where there's no noticable difference, so how would the person imitated know they were an imitation if they themselves can't tell? They wouldn't, BUT - they would experience doubt about themselves, but rationalize that doubt to the paranoid atmosphere the Thing creates. For example, Norris is offered command; he declines, due to the stress of the situation, which could affect his weak heart. But, Norris's subconscious awareness ( which is the Thing) also pushes him to not accept command, and to stay in the background. Blair, who was the first person taken over, exhibits behavior that works on multiple levels. His going crazy looks noble, but actually makes no sense the more you think about it. He was a respected scientist: all he had to do was call a meeting and explain his findings, but instead he went completely ballistic. On a personal level, it proves that Thing's might not necessarily know they are Thing's, because Blair's paranoia most likely includes the notion that he knew he could possibly be the Thing, which causes him to go nuts! He knows what the creature is capable of, has handled infected material, has been alone for long periods of time - all factors that could have led to his potential imitation! Another notion to think about: since the Thing's are all individuals, it could also be possible that some would know they are Thing's, some would suspect themselves but not be sure, and some would be completely oblivious. Also, the Thing targeted scientists specifically ( Blair, Norris, Fuchs) to imitate, at least until it was outed. It imitated Palmer because he was a pilot( which was thwarted by Blair destroying the helicopter).

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

I've wondered that too, especially after seeing Windows deflate with relief after he passes the blood test.

@fireironthesecond2909

2 жыл бұрын

Imo no. It would be like being shot in the back of the head without your awareness. Just boom gone, you feel a bit off then blink and gone. No pain, nothing, at best you would feel weak and numb as a majority of your cells are no longer in your control but then you would be brain dead.

I like the use of the X-Com UFO Defense music in the background.

Also, there is light reflected in all the humans eyes but not in Palmers

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no. Go watch that slow pan before the blood test again. There's reflections in EVERYONE's eye's INCLUDING PALMER's. Then one minute later his blood screams and jumps out of the dish, so that whole "eye gleem" stuff isn't a thing.

@THEPELADOMASTER

2 жыл бұрын

@@rsrt6910 god I hate these stupid details that are clearly not true, like the fucking breath at the end. Or the bottle with gasolene when mac was clearly about to take a swig off that same bottle People interested enough to make theories but lazy enough to not pay attention

@rsrt6910

2 жыл бұрын

@@THEPELADOMASTER I try not to, but often fail, get to upset about it. The human brain is good at noticing patterns and problem solving, even if there are no patterns to be found and John Carpenter went out of his way to remove any clues as to who may or may not be a Thing which sits uncomfortably in the brain at best, but for some it's so intolerable they wind up chasing ghosts just so that they can release the tension and don't have to accept the one and only conclusion we were left with at the end of The Thing... that we just don't know. God speed my friend.

@cloudftw113

2 жыл бұрын

@@THEPELADOMASTER What's funny about the breath """""clue""""" is that the half transformed Bennings thing clearly has visible breath while letting out its nightmare screech.

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

@@THEPELADOMASTER Seriously. Child's breath is quite visible if you watch the movie in any decent quality.

I am not a superstitious man or someone who would believe in the supernatural/sci-fi ... but boy do I have to stop watching these sort of videos late at night. It all goes back to when I watched Predator for the first time during an extra hot summer night, all alone, next to an open window, to a really creaky balcony!

I don’t get surprised by many movies, but when that guy’s stomach grew a mouth I was truly shocked.

Just gonna chuck this in the mix. The whole point of this blood test scene is that they know who's what based on the labels on the blood samples. You know MacReady's not one because his blood doesn't react. The poster on the wall behind Mac this whole time literally says "They aren't labeled, chum". Random? Maybe, but it seems an odd choice to put into one of the few scenes where labels are important.

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

It was likely meant to elicit doubt for that specific scene and for a while after. But the scene where MacReady blows up Blair thing cemented that up until that moment, he wasn't a monster.

I just love that thanks to this Movie we got the Deep Rock Galactic Soundrack

Wow, that was GOOD! I love this movie, but dissecting all the really small, subtle ways Carpenter built the tension in the scene, that was GENIUS! I had a lock on the "patterns" idea, but not as fully formed as yours, but hadn't noticed the concept of the blood moving closer to MacReady, and representing the increased odds that the next test will go badly for everyone. Simply amazing, have a Like.

@Zenn_Chan

2 жыл бұрын

I always interpreted the blood getting closer as a character flaw. That HE was actually buying into the pattern, and feeling safer and safer with each blood he tested

@erikbjelke4411

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zenn_Chan That's a good one, too!

Best horror movie ever made.

My favourite movie ever. I love learning about what makes it so effective

Just went and saw this movie in theaters for the 40th anniversary. I had never seen the full film and your video is what got me interested enough to want to go watch the movie in the first place. I wanted to say thanks for getting me interested. I had fun in that theater and I understand now why "The Thing" is such a respected horror movie.

@H2Mass

2 жыл бұрын

No problem

Even the way you describe this scene and take your time to detail every moment is suspenseful. Maybe it's the nature of the scene, maybe you're a great scriptwriter. I choose to think two things are true at the same time

You managed to capture this scene so well! Definitely subscribing!

great job with this analysis man

One of my favourite movies 🎥👍🏻

My man out here giving film-school level analysis for free. Great video mate, keep it up 👍

@H2Mass

2 жыл бұрын

2 and a half semesters finally paying off

That was a really cool breakdown.

Great analysis. Keep it up

Brilliant analysis. MORE!!!

I watched this movie every Halloween since I discovered it.

What a beautiful analysis, amazing job.

@H2Mass

4 жыл бұрын

Another one coming up soon

Man. This is film making. Great video too!

4:46 This. . .This shot right here tells you a story, read Palmer-Thing’s mannerisms see how he inhales a large breathe through and releasing it shakily through his nose that tells you he knows he’s fucked and got no answer. . .But he doesn’t attack immediately he bides his time to see if the theory is correct because if it is he’s found out but if not he could still survive so this shot right tells you that Palmer is the thing

Underrated this is a great analysis vid

@H2Mass

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

Awesome video

What an amazing explanation.

You have earned a subscriber, great video!

It's like the world's highest-stakes AA meeting.

great choice and analysis

This was a good scene analysis.

damn ! this is one hell of an inspection piece on your part !

If you were making a list of the greatest horror movie scenes in cinema history, the blood test scene would be on it, probably quite high, guaranteed.

love this movie, great stuff

Ah yes, the Amogus movie.

@malikevans2615

2 жыл бұрын

The Thing Game is more accurate

@thomasderosso5625

2 жыл бұрын

@@malikevans2615 Comedy's not your strong suit, I see. That's okay.

@malikevans2615

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasderosso5625 we're in the same boat then...

The process is similar to a Russian Roulette scene. The more pulls of the trigger the more likely the gun is going to go off and an increase in tension

Excellent quality

taking constant closeups at Nauls and my man is saying the closeups are on Copper and Clarke ^^

Wow, you did the one villainous scene before Nando V Movies or any of us did 2 years before. Mad props lol also great video, I love The Thing

Love this movie.

When i was a kid i used to fall asleep to the thing every night idk why it helped me sleep but i had found the slow heartbeat rythym of the music helped me fall asleep but when i was older, understood the concept of death i couldnt sleep to it anymore id wake up and instead of slowly falling asleep id be riveted as my mind raced about what i would do this movie scares the fuck out of me

I agree that the scene with Palmer being revealed but it also has one of the worst effects

Not sure how I just saw this video but the algorithm seems to be picking you up. I see you're still plugging away making good videos. Good luck to you! You have my sub and deserve way more!

@H2Mass

3 жыл бұрын

Was this video just on your homepage?

@arsonne

3 жыл бұрын

@@H2Mass Yep!

This is a real technical take on the challenge

im sorry u never got the attention u deserved for the work u did on this video and all the others u make dude 🖤

so true!

wow great!

Can you make one of these breakdowns for the Norris heart attack?

@H2Mass

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know

@windows2785

3 жыл бұрын

Norris-Thing is instinctive. It was like “crap I gotta do something it’s trying to kill me!” **opens fucking chest up**

Part of why they shot it the way they did was also to get the audience familiar with the fake hand they used. If you look the hand is fake and contains a hose so the blood can be blasted out of it on cue.

@H2Mass

3 жыл бұрын

Did not know that

@I.b.shifty

2 жыл бұрын

true that. was a really well thought out effect. the set up via the repetition of shots adds to the reveal. Carpenter has an amazing way of filming his movies

@theawesome925

2 жыл бұрын

If you watch the director commentary with Carpenter and Kurt Russell, they talk about it, and your breakdown is 100 percent on the money, because it's all part of the VERY deliberate escalation and misdirection. It's so good, cuz it's two old friends watching a movie, and it just happens to be one they made, lol.

"Hey thanks for thinkin about it though"

One of my favorite movies!! X3 The 80s is oy- - - - Pretty gud.. X3

Horror certainly is interesting

@H2Mass

4 жыл бұрын

I'd put this film against anything, not just horror.

@HxH2011DRA

4 жыл бұрын

@@H2Mass high praise

Omg yes i love the movie this a good vid

@H2Mass

4 жыл бұрын

Back to form?

@joonaspenttila201

4 жыл бұрын

@@H2Mass yep

Could the thing be reasoned with? It seems to have human intelligence when in human form, could one appeal to emotions or logic to get it to spare them?

Ok, the element of Hitchcocks bomb seems to be omnipresent in cinema. Are there other theories of suspense too, or does everything refer to Hitchcock?

Huh, cool!

Very well written and well made video. Though, it doesn’t feel right to label The Thing as a villain.

Palmer has the gleam when he's tying up the dead bodies. "They're dead, Mac! "Just finish it, Palmer" Palmer has huge gleams in his eyes there and in many other places. You have to watch the whole movie and not just clips.

Trinston was here..

That's not how odds really work. If you roll once on 1/8 odds, it stays at ~12% for all of them. That why changing your guess of one out of three doors after one of the ones you didn't pick is opened actually raises the odds significantly. The original pick had a 1/3 chance, once you change your guess, it's a 1/2. It's not a 1/2 on the original pick once an unselected door is opened, that's just human instinct being wrong.

To this day this film still bothers me I’m 19 and the Practical effects is just horrifying and I also made me want to get into film in a way

I don't understand why people disliked it when it came out. I never saw it, but I would love to know *WHAT* happened to the survivors. I know there's a video game, but is it canon?

@Derekloffin

3 жыл бұрын

It is 'canon' if you go with Carpenter's endorsement, but honestly, that's pretty easily ignored. At this point, you can take pretty much whatever as canon as they are very unlikely to continue this particular continuity. There is also some comics, and of course the prequel movie which are likewise 'canon' in their own ways.

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

@dudeist drifter. If Childs was fully assimilated he would know what fuel and whiskey taste like. He would know the smell and composition. Both of them would. Childs also has breath you can see as did Bennings when they surrounded him in the snow and he screamed before being killed. Carpenter refused to give hints.

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

@dudeist drifter. Norris was such a good copy he even kept his heart problems.

Palmer ain't got the shine!

Great analysis. My only gripe is the title; it's not so much a villainous scene as a horror suspense scene. The Thing is primarily acting as a looming monster in this scene, as opposed to a villain. Did you just rename the video to join Nando's project? It doesn't quite fit.

@janusnightshade9848

2 жыл бұрын

I think this was made before Nando’s one villainous scene project.

@Ralyx0

2 жыл бұрын

@@janusnightshade9848 It definitely was, but I think H2Mass changed the title to have it included. Which is fine, I just don't think it QUITE fits, since this particular scene is much more of a 'monster suspense' scene than a 'villain' scene.

@gmork1090

2 жыл бұрын

"Who Goes There" or "Frozen Hell" would have been better because those were the names of both the novella and unfinished novel this movie was based on.

a year ago ?????????