I wonder if the the theme of over reliance on technology that you talked about is actually there throughout the entire (George Lucas) saga? I mean think about it, in the prequels the Jedi are extremely engrained in this technology heavy world. Droids can’t figure out where a dart came from but some old guy in a restaurant identifies it immediately. The computer doesn’t have the planet Obi Wan is looking for and he literally can’t put 2 and 2 together until a child, who isn’t as ingrained, tells him it’s 4. The technologically produced clone army that just shows up out of nowhere is blindly trusted by all of them. This lack of wisdom (or common sense) born from both dogma but also technology reliance is literally the death of them. There’s what you mentioned here with the tracking computer. And then there’s the ending with primitive teddy bears winning the war. I think this theme extends over all 6 of the original movies though maybe I haven’t fleshed it out too well.

@nikolaychurkin5660

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, I didn't think about this before, thanks!

@JerichoDeath

Жыл бұрын

That does track pretty well. Also, you made me realize that we can say "all 6 of the original movies" completely seriously. Or maybe that just makes me feel old.

@nikolaychurkin5660

Жыл бұрын

@@JerichoDeath Nested tiers of originals, exactly.

@nikolaychurkin5660

Жыл бұрын

Original-0: New Hope when it wasn't New Hope, Original-1: Episodes four through six, Original-2: Episodes one through six, etc. depending on how old we are.

@LRM12o8

Жыл бұрын

@@JerichoDeath "All six movies" is still perfectly accurate, in my opinion. I prefer not to acknowledge the Disney trilogy's existence, because it's the lowest class of movies to me: -S: Original or Genuine Sequel/Prequel- -A: Spin-Off- -B: Parody- -C: Fan Movie / Hommage- *F: Poor Imitation* Episode VII on it's own is a C, but the other two flicks ruin the trilogy overall.

in my onion luke really was the star of the war

@apewit9163

2 жыл бұрын

you r name rhymes with sex 🤮🤮

@abee948

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god CJ the X I love you

@BobFlats7

2 жыл бұрын

Onion.

@CommanderShepard-wq3wo

2 жыл бұрын

Boooo! **gives thumbs up**

@rustyjay1177

2 жыл бұрын

Aww yes your onion 🌰

"Is this dude really going for Style Points?" Luke, use the Force to flex on them normies

@homiedclown

2 жыл бұрын

"Use the Flex Luke."

@jacquesnouvel6436

2 жыл бұрын

sigma grindset : Jedi edition

Fun fact, if you pause as the torpedoes go down the shaft, you see where Red Leader hit. Proton Torpedoes fit side by side in the nose of an X-Wing. So if they just fit side by side down the port, you can tell Red Leader, firing from beyond naked eye visual range....missed by maybe 10 feet. Poor guy got it within spitting distance. Never realized just how close he got.

@cloudwalker9572

3 ай бұрын

That's so cool I never realized before, thank you for this little bit of trivia

I was a bit disappointed that you didn't mention the part where right after Luke says his scope's negative, Red Leader tells him to pick up his visual scanning, as in 'Hey man, use your eyes instead of trusting only your instruments' which is another great point leading up to Luke trusting in the force

Little detail too: When Luke says his scanner shows negative on detecting the fighters Red Leader says "Pick up your visual scanning" basically saying "Dude, just use your eyes".

@danielcaskey3826

2 жыл бұрын

lmao right? "BITCH! LOOK!"

@PhoenixT70

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, it's much more difficult to visually acquire targets in the Black then it is in atmo, and it's already damned hard to do that in atmo.

@canebrakeruffian1122

2 жыл бұрын

What@@PhoenixT70 said. Imagine driving through a busy downtown at 5 o'clock with traffic lights and looking below, behind and on top of you in-between checking your 12 o'clock for other cars and traffic lights, in the dark, at Mach 1 in 3d space instead of 20mph on a 2d plane like a street. It's difficult to visually find stuff in a fighter jet in the middle of the day on Earth. Space gotta be a muh fuh.

@mistermeow527

2 жыл бұрын

@@canebrakeruffian1122 Of course that's true however Star Wars space battles are really anachronisms of mid 20th century air battles with the trope in them being people's gut feelings over the "finicky" computer (IE: popular hesitation to the B29s targetting computer). Specifically the Dam Busters (Operation Chastise) where the Death Star battle takes its inspiration from where the Lancaster's altimeter and targeting devices weren't reliable enough to be sure of an accurate and safe attack vector. This had pilots using building steeples and tree lines as visual references instead as they disregarded thier device readings. In other words Star Wars uses WW2 pilot logic for space battles.

@JohnFourtyTwo

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhoenixT70 Exactly and they're moving so fast that by the time you see them then react to them, they're already gone. Had this movie been made a few years later they would've incorporated smart weapons because up until then, most of the people only knew of WWII aerial combat where you had to point your fighter at the enemy drop the bombs directly over the target.

I think the reason Luke was “bobbing and weaving” all over the place in the trench run was because his stabilizer had been blown loose. He asked R2 to lock it down but it might be why Vader couldn’t get a lock on him.

@rainick

2 жыл бұрын

Another thing I've never fucking noticed.

@cykeok3525

2 жыл бұрын

That's a really good point. If you think about it, flying down a really narrow trench with a busted stabilizer (which I'm assuming stabilizes the x-wing's flight lol) was probably taking some effort from Luke. Vader, who if you recall from the cel-shaded and CGI animated Clone Wars and Rebels shows, and the Episode 3 opening, is possibly the best starfighter pilot in the galaxy. Jedi pilots generally fly fighters while guided by the Force, but that's something that obviously would need training. The busted stabilizer and needing to keep from hitting the walls probably allowed the Force working to work through Luke in his course corrections, so he was probably (subconsciously) making himself a really hard target even for a pilot like Vader. Flying guided by the Force, without ever training how to do it.

@michaelmorris1741

2 жыл бұрын

@@cykeok3525 I still say Obi Wan picked that point to 'discorporate' so that he could guide the torpedo down the shaft. All he needed was for Luke to 'let go' and trust him.

@KnjazNazrath

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmorris1741 That's a great theory, but it also steals Luke's thunder which I consider unlikely. He's not as OP as Rei, but he's still the main character.

@Shmey

2 жыл бұрын

"What a capable evasion... I wonder if it's due to the power of the boy's sword?" Yeah. Good luck getting that reference. I'm not even sure if I quoted it right.

I never before appreciated how well red leader portrayed as a guy who's whole life lead up to this moment...he did everything right, and fought with all that he had, only to fail at the end.

@vcdonovan5943

Жыл бұрын

Seriously the dude's acting in outstanding for a character who has to squeeze the absolute most out of the few lines he's given. That and he's confined sitting down in a box within a crop shot that only shows him from the chest up for 95% of the shots he's in. His facial expressions and visual acting really sells everything you need to know about this guy and the scene he's in. Every time I look at Red Leader it just impacts on me the sheer desperation of what the rebels are trying to accomplish here. Here's a hardened military leader just struggling to keep it together and none of his subornments under his command are as stressed out about it as he is. They obviously have no idea what they're really up against.

@dominickstewart433

Жыл бұрын

His only fault was a lack of Midichlorians in his blood

@TheWingus

8 ай бұрын

“Commander, it is possible to make no mistakes and still lose… that is not a weakness, that is life.” - Captain Picard

@DrDavu

6 ай бұрын

They know what they're up against. They went anyway.

@8-bitsarda747

3 ай бұрын

well, at least the next red leader, Wedge, did better. Both at Hoth, taking over AT-AT tripping for Luke when his gunner died, and at Endor, knocking out the power regulator of the Death Star's core for Lando to strike the killing blow.

I always figured that the Y-wings (had they survived) would have been able to make the shot, being dedicated bombers that would have the necessary targeting equipment for such a feat, whereas the X-wings were dogfighters designed to fight other ships, not engage ground targets. There's also the theory that Vader was using the Force to mess with the Rebels' equipment, which was why they had such a hard time spotting the TIEs.

@CouchPotator

Жыл бұрын

I thought there was an early Y-wing attack run that missed outright, and the one we saw was the second. But it's so hard to remember specifics.

@arcticbanana66

Жыл бұрын

@@CouchPotator Might have been. It's been a long time since I saw the movie.

@Stags28

Жыл бұрын

@@arcticbanana66 And in a galaxy far, far away, no doubt.

@mrmacross

Жыл бұрын

Based on playing Rogue Squadron for N64, the Y-Wings wouldn't be helpful because they're SO SLOW that they would never get far in the trench. I swear, the whole point of the Y-wing design was to make a model that would explode spectacularly.

@mesijevoprenejvozed7152

Жыл бұрын

I would say that "bombing" in the Star Wars universe was one thing, but using the "torpedo" (kind of air-to-air or air-to-ground missile) for this shaft-penetration is something different. The bombing procedure can be seen in the ep. V, when Millenium Falcon hides in the big asteroid hole (in the belly of some huge creature living in the asteroid actually :) ) and the TIE Bombers are bombing the surface of the asteroid. But those "torpedos" were available in all rebel fighters type A wing, B wing, X wing and Y wing. The "bomber" capability of the Y- wing was determined by the ion cannon turret on board and by a few added ion torpedos, both used for disabling the electronics in targeted vessel - ion cannon affect after it hits the vessel can be seen in the ep. 5 after the ground battle on the Hoth, when the rebel transport ship with two escort X-wings is escaping the planet while the ground ion artillery fires three (!) - not just showed two - ion shells onto the imperial star destroyer which blocks the orbit - the funny "our first catch" scene ;-D

Even as a kid I'd always kind of understood that the reason Luke doesn't use the targeting computer is because only the Force would have worked (as implied by Red Leader missing when using his) but I never really put much thought into it past that, nor did I notice the little moments throughout the scene of Luke slowly trusting his instincts more as the battle goes on.

@John-Doe-Yo

2 жыл бұрын

I was always confused as a kid when the blasts hit a mean right angle straight down and thought it made no sense lol

@NPClownumber81googolplex

2 жыл бұрын

@@John-Doe-Yo haven't you seen the last jedi? Physics are totally random in star wars

@John-Doe-Yo

2 жыл бұрын

@@NPClownumber81googolplex nope last one I saw was the force awakens

@1005corvuscorax

2 жыл бұрын

Which is why "Rogue One" is idiotic. The ONLY way that shot could have been made (as it was made clear in the original movie, 1977) was through the Force. Galen purposefully creating the "weakness" was retconning BS. Rogue One was never needed, and actually effed up the POINT of A New Hope.

@NPClownumber81googolplex

2 жыл бұрын

@@1005corvuscorax very true it was a solution for an unexistent problem but it's still better than the physics of the last jedi or how Han Solo got his name and Chewbacca is a cannibal... Also relatively minimal wokeness which I'll take lol.

When Vader jumps into combat, it’s because he realizes that the main battle is just a diversion and that the bombers are making their way to the trench. He specifically says that. It usually goes unnoticed, but Vader is the first one who realizes not everything is as it appears.

@ThinWhiteAxe

2 жыл бұрын

Probably been Obi-Wan'd one too many times to underestimate diversions like that.

@giantsean

2 жыл бұрын

Not that this was a thing in 1977, but Rogue One does explain a bit that the Empire was concerned about Galen Urso compromising the DS. Vader mentions this to Krennic before he chokes him a little.

@yourgodemperorofeverything1354

2 жыл бұрын

@@giantsean that motive from rogue one was weak. I mean the motive that port is specially designed weakness. It's not and it's actually very smart design, and as proofen in the video, in normal conditions impossible to destroy

@marcosbravo9645

2 жыл бұрын

"Several fighters have broken off from the main group, come with me." Vader would rather deal with this personally than issuing orders from the station. 20 years previously in the battle of Kamino, while Obi-Wan and Shaak Ti are supervising the battle in Tipoca city, Anakin jumped in his fighter and led things personally, remarking to a comment from a squadron leader "you know me Broadside, I would rather be up here than stuck in a command center". Anakin/Vader likes to deal with combat situations personally, incredible how that's consistent.

@Jordan-Ramses

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Wedge literally says 'are you sure the computer can hit it?'. I thought everyone knew this a long time ago. Just nobody listened to him. Except Obi Wan.

Total props to this guy the way he fused a commercial into the story. Totally cracked me up! Way to go!

@xela4183

Жыл бұрын

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

“Is this guy going for style points?” had me cackling

Fun Fact: During the battle of the first Death Star, there were supposed to be the Blue X-wing squadron instead of Gold, however, the blue color on the X-wings would cause problems when rendering in the CGI because Blue screen was used back then instead of Green screen, hence why we have Gold squadron, red squadron, and green squadron. And then later in 2016 in the Rogue one, they showed that the Blue squadron was destroyed in Scariff.

@JoseyWales44s

2 жыл бұрын

Optical SFX not CGI. Of course, I still "tape" TV shows to watch later too. :)

@billygray6776

2 жыл бұрын

Also fun fact: The squadron is referred to as blue squadron in the film's 1976 novelization (Yes the novelization came out a year before the movie).

@rienjen

2 жыл бұрын

@@billygray6776 It was called "Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker." I guess a lot of people forget that, at one point, he was the central protagonist. This scene is boss. Other than the lightsaber duels with Vader, this is my favorite scene in SW.

@JoseyWales44s

2 жыл бұрын

@@billygray6776 Yep, still have my pre-release copy, although I didn't read it before seeing the movie. What's even more bizarre is that they released the novelization of "The Empire Strikes Back" before the movie release, spoiling the Vader/Luke revelation. I remember my idiot friend, who read the novel, running up to me on the playground screaming Darth Vader is Luke's father.

@jmurray1110

2 жыл бұрын

Wait people call it “the battle of the first Death Star” I mean sure that makes sense but given the Callander system I though everyone just called it “the battle of yavin”

One of the best things about the Original Trilogy that was really lacking in the Sequel Trilogy was that it really felt like a military operation. All the dialogue and the acting feels a lot like WW2 films of the time. During scenes like the Death Star attacks or the Battle of Hoth it felt like a proper war movie, whereas in the sequels it feels too much like a super hero movie to me.

@littlechickeyhudak

2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the sequels but I definitely agree. It could've been cooler if they leaned more into that. I recently had a thought that the story would've been more interesting and more distinct/unique if the resistance was a kind of clandestine spec-ops team working for the New Republic who have to figure out how to operate completely independently after the first order destroys the capital and collapses the government. That would've opened the door to a lot more interesting elements, especially when it comes to the lore surrounding the new republic and the origins of the first order as explored in some of the novels and comics (such as how they're working for the New Repblic, but it's jammed full of ex-imperial senators who want it to be fascist again and are operating with the First Order).

@Corbalte

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and that was thing that was also present in the prequels. Characters, even Yoda, always use military jargon in battle scene.

@johnellizz

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the battles in Empire and Star Wars felt real but even more so before the alterations. All battles in Prequels and Sequels feel silly and fake.

@stickiedmin6508

2 жыл бұрын

That's one of the reasons Rogue One is my favourite among the movies - The Wars part of Star Wars was always the part I liked best, and Rogue One is a proper War movie (also, X-Wings fighting TIE Fighters has *_NEVER_* looked better). It's something I really wish they'd explore a little more - Just imagine, The Great Escape (but in Star Wars), or Bridge Over The River Kwai (but in Star Wars), or Memphis Belle (but in Star Wars). Cool, right?

@TokyoXtreme

2 жыл бұрын

The writers of nu wars despise the military and the very concept of national defense, so nobody can be surprised when they can’t even come close to portraying such an organization accurately. The writers believe in “patriarchy” and “toxic masculinity”, and the entertainment industry pays the price.

Just goes to show that Marcia Lucas was ahead of her time. The film editors match shots with action in precusion to elevate the tension. She did that masterfully. I've seen the trench run like a thousand and I'm on the edge of my seat every time. Very few modern films have that kind of talented editors. They spend too much time and money on visual effects which kind of misses the point. Never learn. Visual effects are a support mechanism not the main point of reference. A films structure and story are derived from its editor.

@cillianennis9921

5 ай бұрын

Or maybe it just shows how behind the times modern films shot themselves. Like Damn I didn't even notice until he mentioned it that the music cuts out when Vader is on the prowl. Like it takes balls that most directors today must be lacking to say to a master composer "you do a great job but we are going to do the most tension filled scenes without music & instead use silly sound effects to fill the gap." Like how amazing is that. Shows how great movies can be especially when like Star Wars its made without some corporate suits from your producer or whatever the term is studio is it anyway stepping on your ideas. Like how many more films like star wars could be made today pretty much zero as the modern studios are lead by people who go like we can't do that we'll be cancelled or some nonsense.

@KonoGufo

5 ай бұрын

@@cillianennis9921 Two things can be true. Modern films have certainly regressed in their overall quality, but Marcia Lucas still had a damn good head on her shoulders.

One of the things I liked was when the TIEs come out and Luke has one chasing him, "I can't shake him!", he specifically calls out for help from his friend Biggs. The one he talked to before they took off, and the one who was his friend back on Tatooine. He calls for help from Biggs, "Blast it Biggs, where are you?" but then Wedge swoops in and saves him. This is another lesson for Luke: he and the little group he calls his buddies can't do this alone. He has to work as a team, not as a buddy.

@NathanYoungLibrary

2 жыл бұрын

Somehow this is the first time I've ever connected that Biggs and Wedge were names in this film before they were ever a dual set of names in the Final Fantasy series. (Where there has been a Biggs and Wedge set of characters since...FF6?) and of course I just looked it up and the wiki is like "Duh it's a reference to Red Squadron. 26 years to connect the dots.

@TheOtherGuys2

2 жыл бұрын

@@NathanYoungLibrary Lol, neat. :P

@lunarpking

2 жыл бұрын

It's because the original scene was supposed to be Biggs saving him. Either through Marcia Lucas's editing or a lack of a scene with Biggs it was changed to Wedge. Wedge was also played by three actors, the one in the rebel base, the one who was physically there and the one who did ADR for the character in post production. The original end of the movie was supposedly a mess and if you pay attention you can see what a cluster fuck of editing it actually is. The end of this movie really is a miracle of editing for how good it is.

@vsync

15 күн бұрын

a really interesting thing, now that I think about it, would have been what if he ended up fighting Biggs

one of the last times I watched, I realize how heavy handed was the technical talk between the pilots all of this helps to contrast the very spiritual use of the force to destroy the death star I loved it! what an amazing movie

@Grey1nferno

2 жыл бұрын

wait nah i need the sauce for that edm song

@aix42

2 жыл бұрын

had a college professor point out the radio distortions heard in the control room were very accurately done. all the details add up.

@hyuugo7462

2 жыл бұрын

@@Grey1nferno Madeon - Beings (Shelter Live Edit)

@abrahamedelstein4806

2 жыл бұрын

The jargon is lifted, sometimes word for word from classic WWII movies.

@EyeShotFirst

2 жыл бұрын

@@abrahamedelstein4806 And that's exactly how Lucas conceptualized the whole battle. I think he was even using footage from dogfights as placeholders.

I've always thought that Red leader missing implied it could not be done. It was suggested heavily before the mission started. The mission was kind of a last stand, and everyone in the know knew it would not work. However, great video on pointing out how masterfully everything was edited together. Makes me want to rewatch this scene asap.

@marhawkman303

Жыл бұрын

Well, I'd say "thought it was unlikely to work, but had a non-zero chance of success". It was the only shot they had of destroying that thing that COULD work... even if the odds were bad.

OK... I just gotta say this: that was, hands-down, the BEST plug for the worst money-grubbing "free-to-play" game that has become such a meme that no one alive today will not skip-forward the moment a content creator mentions its name, that I have ever seen. I watched it all. Every second. Didn't make me wanna get the game, but respect +1.

@johnsmithe4656

Жыл бұрын

I skipped it immediately.

@Ryan-oq8gy

Жыл бұрын

also the voice acting was spot on

@Nexus9

Жыл бұрын

@@johnsmithe4656 Go back and watch it, it was a hilarious plug for his sponsor.

@samfaught6458

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nexus9 This is like, ALMOST the level of Internet Historian during The Engoodening Of No Man's Sky kzread.info/dash/bejne/gWl2rLiIY7OqlbQ.htmlm34s

@alleygh0st

Жыл бұрын

It made me lol like I rarely do.

That was the most enjoyable Raid ad I’ve seen.

@teveszaki

2 жыл бұрын

I was LMAO, when I heard Raid woven into the script :)

Another detail that I've always really liked is the rebel causality rate. They sent out 32 pilots to destroy the Death Star. 12:31 *Three of them came back* That is a 90% casualty rate. That is abysmal. In any other confrontation, it would be unacceptable. It's another detail that shows the plan was never really going to work.

@ravenshade266

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered who the third was. Obviously Luke and Wedge survive, but who’s the Y-Wing pilot who made it, and how on earth were they lucky enough to make it in that slow-moving death trap?

@AdamMPick

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravenshade266 Gold Three, who is never shown on screen aka Keyan Farlander in the old lore. He was introduced in the X-Wing game in 1993 and became a Jedi later. For Nu-Wars post 2014. Evaan Verlaine. She got a retcon backstory in the Leia comic books from 2015 onwards. A fellow Alderaanian survivor, who saw her duty to the throne of Alderaan first, with Leia representing it.

@ravenshade266

2 жыл бұрын

@@AdamMPick You, sir, are amazing. Thank you!

@Grubnar

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but the Imperials had a 99.99% casualty rate ... only Vader survived.

@vickcalderon1697

2 жыл бұрын

The death ratio is not unacceptable. 32 single pilot ships vs the Death Star that house how many? The rebels left with 3 and the Death Star 1 (Darth Vader).

I have always been convinced that Red Leader's miss was caused by the sudden movement of his flight stick down and to the right at the same time he fires - probably in an attempt to pull out of the trench. Proton torpedoes, when fired off-axis, move in sweeping arcs to track their targets and when fired at close range may not have had the lead-time they needed to find exact purchase on a target so small. Luke had to straighten out to get a clear on-axis shot at the port, and the same was true with Red Leader. I always assumed that was why we got the tight shot of Red Leader's flight stick. Dude was a veteran, but he was clearly under a lot of pressure.

@LyokoisGreat2

Жыл бұрын

Yea I was also thinking response time was a factor too and that Red Leaders timing was just slightly too late

@brucetucker4847

Жыл бұрын

The funny thing is that for a movie with such high technology the firing system is terribly out of date by 2022 standards. These days for something requiring that sort of precision the targeting computer once set would fire the torpedo without the pilot having to push a button. The footage was shot with space ships and lasers but the tactics and the behavior of the equipment were based on WW2-era technology. Doesn't make it any less fun of a film, though.

@happyears21694

Жыл бұрын

That's what I'm more likely to blame on. Not the targeting computer.

@happyears21694

Жыл бұрын

If he had shot just straight, he would've made it because when Luke's torpedoes went in, you see the blast mark on the left from Garven's torpedoes indicating that he made his shot a little late.

I thought "use the force" was a good enough hint as to why Luke didn't use his targeting computer, but apparently there's lots more details supporting it. God I wish the later movies were written as well as this one.

A small thing about thisvscene I like is when Luke is in trouble he calls out for Biggs who he was already friends with to help him but it's Wedge that swings in to help. The fact that a seemingly minor character like Wedge would survive the battle but have to withdraw after taking too much damage is something we don't see too often in movies, 9/10 he'd just get blown up.

@Grubnar

2 жыл бұрын

And then years later he blows up the second Death Star. For a "minor character" that has to be some sort of record!

@Corsair37

2 жыл бұрын

@@Grubnar Dennis Lawson, the actor that played Wedge in the original trilogy (except for the briefing room scene in the first one) was also a gunner in the Millenium Flacon for The Last Skywalker. He has one line, something like "Let's go, Lando!" He's also the uncle of Ewan McGregor.

@wolframvoneschenbach1174

2 жыл бұрын

@@Grubnar For sure, he's the one who hooked an AT-AT too. Far more of a major character in Empire and Jedi but never really a main character.

@enjoythestruggle

2 жыл бұрын

​@@wolframvoneschenbach1174 Something good franchises do well is getting you interested in the minor characters and not treating them like minor throwaway characters despite their small role in the story. Many would simply forget to feature Wedge again or conveniently kill him off and replace him with 'generic Rebel Pilot #27' even though 'logically' he should be around. Instead Wedge had his own little character arc and became a beloved character for the fans, he even shakes Luke's hand during the Ewok party.

@pwnmeisterage

2 жыл бұрын

Wedge is no "minor" character. He is the most skilled, badass, unstoppable pilot in the galaxy. Assuming you ignore all those cheaters who use the Force. And assuming you ignore all the other cheaters who have bigger ships with better firepower.

Man you managed to give me brand new chills over a movie I have literally seen hundreds of times over the last 25 years

@taitano12

2 жыл бұрын

Same, bruh. And I've been watching it since it came out, and understood this from the beginning because of wamprat line, Red Leader missing, and Obiwan's "Trust The Force." line. Yet the campy, over the top way he describes the scene made me feel as excited as if I hadn't seen it in years. Awesome.

@foujj

2 жыл бұрын

I know right? It's like I experienced for the first time again in like 13 minutes.

@neoblakkrstal9865

2 жыл бұрын

Every time I watch this film I am transported once again to that time. I AM that 12 year old boy, sitting in the front row. Star Wars will never grow old and stale to me.

@JaySwag77

2 жыл бұрын

For real!

@djdrocco

2 жыл бұрын

Came to say this, nearly verbatim. Bravo.

The theme of humanity (flesh, will, hope, determination) vs machine is repeated in other places as well. Two examples I can think of are Ewoks vs. Empire in Episode 6 and Luke's mechanical hand being a synonym for the dangers of giving in to the Dark Side (because Vader, the face of the Dark Side for the most part is "more machine than man.")

Don't know if it's already been mentioned here, but worth noting that part of the reason Vader is so deadly in a fighter is because he's prescient. "The force is strong with this one" matters because they're target and evade is actually playing out slightly in advance of the action, so with Luke, Vader can't predict him as easily, and therefore doesn't have a shot until Luke has to stop dodging to line up his attack. Just an excellent subtlety in the storytelling.

“All right broskis we’re goin’ fast and hard like a Timmies run.” Thank you for the Canadian representation Ben 😂

@matthewboer8279

2 жыл бұрын

Got to giver down there trench bud , shoot them glowing Timbits five hole.

@JamesG1880

2 жыл бұрын

I’m proud that I understood that reference thanks to years and years of watching HIMYM and learning about the great white north thru Robin Sherbatsky🙌🏼🤣

@Willigula

2 жыл бұрын

Every time I visit Canada, I gain 5 pounds from those Honey Crullers.

You actually made an "in-video" ad that was entertaining enough to watch without skipping...I hope your sponsors appreciate this.

@brennonbrunet6330

2 жыл бұрын

Best in-video ad that I've seen in awhile

@munjee2

2 жыл бұрын

And a rsl ad at that

@nodwarves4u

2 жыл бұрын

Ben did great, but y'all should look into Internet historians ads.

@little_isalina

2 жыл бұрын

I still skipped it.

@alesksander

2 жыл бұрын

​ @Threeshades Chad move. True champion move. ;)

I'm old. In the 70s, we realized this, so I never knew that this understanding was lost. Cool that you've brought it back!

@hecate235

Жыл бұрын

True. Saw SW in 1977, and the audience understood that blowing up the Death Star was a huuuuge long shot. But it was also the rebels only chance. Then Ben whispers in Luke's ear and we all had this little shudder of...."omg, maybe Luke can do it."

@pwnmeisterage

Жыл бұрын

This understanding was easier in the 1970s. Because computers of the era did indeed suck. They were slow, weak, stupid, clumsy. A skilled human could always outperform the machine. Times have changed, lol, now the machines are getting smarter and better than even the most talented humans.

In fact, that scene shows one more thing: Vader only views the Force as a tool at that time. Something to give him power. He respects it, but still lacks the understanding that it flows in all things. We all know how good of a pilot he is (even all the way back from his child days) but all he was doing there was using his own computer. When we as viewers look at Luke's X-Wing, it's almost flying in a straight line. Had Vader just decided to simply forget about the locking system, he could have shot down Luke no sweat. Instead, he was left just as confused as Luke. Because like him, he wasn't trusting the Force to guide him. Same reason why he failed to notice Han approaching, saving Luke's hide in the process. Truly a great scene worth analysing!

Great commentary! One addition: Marcia Lucas didn't just extend the final battle with the extra footage of scenes from the Yavin control room. Originally, the Rebel base was not supposed to be threatened by the Death Star. The rebels were just supposed to fly their mission, destroy the Death Star, and come back. But Marcia realized the scene just didn't have high enough stakes. So she invented the element of a countdown to the destruction of the rebel base, using only inserts added later showing the graphic with the death star coming in range, VO, and some leftover footage on the death star. Watch the scene again: at no point will you see anyone on camera referencing the threat from the Death Star to the rebel base. This change was fundamental to the dynamic of the scene - max'd the stakes - and it was entirely invented in the editing room. Incredible.

@RedXlV

2 жыл бұрын

If only Marcia Lucas had still been involved for the prequel trilogy. Or if JJ Abrams had the sense to bring her in for the sequel trilogy. They both could desperately have used her touch.

@Wearyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Voltar Oh I disagree. The prequels needed her too. The "sequels" needed to be put in the dumpster and never shown to the world as the utter failures they were.

@Iknowtoomuchable

2 жыл бұрын

The footage is made on set, but the _movie_ is made in the editing room.

@Gabiman66

2 жыл бұрын

could you please source yourself, bcos these is so much misinformation going around about Marcia Lucas

@bananian

2 жыл бұрын

@@Voltar The prequels were a dumpster fire lol.

Speaking of sound design, can we acknowledge how MANIACALLY AGGRESSIVE the TIE fighter 'scream' is? Those things roar toward you and you KNOW you're in trouble. Ben Burtt (I believe) absolutely outdid himself coming up with that sound.

@tommymaddox6785

2 жыл бұрын

Now imagine you're a fresh 19 year old Russian conscript in 1941 jumping into cover as what is probably the closest real life alternative, a group of Stuka ground attack planes, begin a sharp dive on your position. Sound design for the Tie scream is a mix of tires on wet pavement and an elephant.

@SIXITHS

2 жыл бұрын

@@tommymaddox6785 The inspiration for the sound was indeed a plane, but not a Stuka. It was a Hawker Hunter: kzread.info/dash/bejne/amagz5t6oKe-f9I.html Specifically the 'Blue Note' that is produced by airflow over the 30mm autocannons.

@orobertg

2 жыл бұрын

Credit for the tie fighter sound should be given to this beagle, credit where credit is due. kzread.info/dash/bejne/enZ22bp6gLGyopM.html

@JJfromPhilly67

2 жыл бұрын

@@tommymaddox6785 Imagine you are a Polish (1939), Dutch, Belgian, French (1940), and/or Soviet (1941) refugee trying to get out of the battle zone.

@JJfromPhilly67

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure who exactly decided to put sirens on the Stuka Dive Bombers, but he should really get most of the credit.

Your analysis of Red and Gold Leader is spot-on. I’ve seen this seen well over 200 time and I totally missed that.

@johnweb7055

11 ай бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. I kinda noticed the confidence of gold leader, or at least I was aware of it on some level..but gold leader? So spot on.

Awesome critical breakdown! As a old guy who actually saw this on the big screen in 1977, I agree. A fucking masterpiece!

I like the touch that the Y-wing computers seem like theyre integral to the design, and more easily engaged/disengaged. And also bigger/more advanced. And the X-wing ones seem a bit more secondary, with just a stick holding them up, and completely disappearing when disengaged. Really showcases that the Ys are primarily bombers, and the Xs more fighters

@canobenitez

2 жыл бұрын

that's some sweet ass nerd fact, thanks

@directorforplastic7929

2 жыл бұрын

@@canobenitez idk if that’s a “confirmed canon” fact but either more of an intentional design choice or something unintentional just made to distinguish the two different cockpits from each other that can be rationalized as to why it is the way it it

@canobenitez

2 жыл бұрын

@@directorforplastic7929 don't break the magic bro

@dandywaysofliving

2 жыл бұрын

@@canobenitez Pretending to be a tour guide from The Year 3399 AD^2 "..And if u look at the 2nd reply in this comment thread u will find as u kids like to call it nowadays an.."

@Indylimburg

2 жыл бұрын

@@dandywaysofliving 😂 what will happen to all these comments centuries future?

It is rarely talked about but Red Leader says to keep up with "visual scanning", he also says that "with all this jamming" that the Imperial tie fighters could be on top of them before their "scopes can pick them up" and that Red Ten while at the trench run notes that there is "too much interference" which suggests that the Imperials have a ECM (Electronic Counter Measure) which is probably why the Rebels could not land a hit onto the exhaust port until Luke used the force, it is because the Imperials use ECM to mess up the trajectories of the torpedoes which is why they couldn't hit beforehand.

@samurai8698

2 жыл бұрын

On a station like that, you can bet they have the best counter-measures available.

@sarowie

2 жыл бұрын

@@samurai8698 well, even just accidental/coincidental radio emission could mess the rebels system. its not like you can pickup an working death star on the junk yard and test if your system are roboust enough to fly and operate so close in the trances.

@tuttlenate

2 жыл бұрын

@@sarowie Yeah, you put a starship the literal size of a moon in orbit of a planet, outputting enough power to shatter worlds, you're gonna have some MASSIVE electromagnetic disruptions almost unwittingly.

@UToobUsername01

2 жыл бұрын

Also the fact is in World War II people relied more on their manual skills to shoot down stuff than computers which were not really around to assist people. (which is why some people refer to OT star wars as "World War II in space". IE you needed more skill to get the enemy. Today with computer guided missiles it's "fire from long range and let the machine do it all for you." There is no need for dogfighting or close range skills. Some sci-fi shows like Mobile Suit Gundam bring battles back to close range by inventing some fictional interference to make computer guided missiles ineffective. (called minovsky particles to explain away how manual aiming is needed again) But they maintain the "psychic ability can often save your skin" element seen in the star wars universe to give an inexperienced hero a fighting chance to still beat an ace pilot with much more battle experience.

@philiponeill6903

2 жыл бұрын

It's been a long time since I read it, but I distinctly remember in the novelisation Red Leader (though I think it was actually Blue Leader in the novel) saying something like: "They can jam everything except your eyes."

I read the book before the movie came out in 1976 (its weirdly different), then saw it on opening day before it was a "hit" which occurred a week later. I still recall making my mom take me to the afternoon showing on day 1- there were maybe twelve other people in the theater.... but you knew you saw something that was profoundly different from anything that came before it. A week later all hell broke loose with lines every day for months.

@mrstephenpariah

Жыл бұрын

Do you still have the book? Apparently a lot of work went into pre-marketing.

@fractalelf7760

Жыл бұрын

@@mrstephenpariah God I wish….

The imagery of the shot, implies the torpedoes do a sharp "L" before entering the exhaust port, and that's why it was impossible for a computer achieve that. Only through the Force. Was my kid self wrong?

@SoccerBoyAP

Жыл бұрын

There are inconsistencies with geographical association with "the trench run" In the pilot brief the imagery shows what looks like a wall in the trench with the exhaust port(s) (2:50); the two circles on the wall; Personally this is misleading because later in the battle we witness the "L" curve the torpedoes actually take (11:59) I've been scratching my brain to remember what was represented in the LucasArts video game X-Wing which allowed you to play the Death Star battle in which... you use your targeting computer There is another misplaced, what is where, right before Luke takes the shot. We see Vader locking in on Luke's X-Wing and his canons are firing below Luke and then Luke slows down to throw of the targeting and the next frame shows R2-D2 being shot... R2 is on the top of the X-Wing, Vader was firing from underneath ... how did he not strafe the X-Wing before he got to shooting R2's head?

@gran-roan

Жыл бұрын

@@SoccerBoyAP Never saw the detailed map to see how it looks, but it does sound like there is some inconsistency on how it was filmed. Wonder if Rogue One show something else.

@captiannemo1587

Жыл бұрын

Could just be the rebel plans are not up to date

Fun fact - the first "targeting computer miss" is a homage to the same scene in the 1955 movie "Dambusters", where the first bomber makes an attack run on the German dam using a specialised bombsight, the bomb hits the dam wall and explodes but the dam isn't destroyed. Quite a few parts of the finale in Star Wars come from that film.

@Ozymandias1

2 жыл бұрын

You can see the similarities in this scene: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d2V4pdqpfd2ekbg.html

@wilekrowan3610

2 жыл бұрын

The Norden bomb sight in ww2 was supposed to be this top secret super awesome analog targeting computer, but it turned out to be more mythical than reliable in practice. Eventually they just ordered the bombers to fly lower to actually hit their targets.

@leef8433

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was a real thing in ww2

@chrisdoherty1072

2 жыл бұрын

The entire Death Star sequence is nearly a shot-by-shot remake of _Dambusters_, and Lucas hired the cinematographer from Dambusters to help with the framing.

This is actually one of the only times I've seen someone really emphasize the lack of music during big chunks of this scene. Ever since I rewatched it years ago it hit me hard how empty it was and how well that works. Music is not just what is being played but it's also the silence in between, and having the music only show up sparingly makes those moments when Williams does show up so much more impactful.

@Chr1t0n

2 жыл бұрын

anoter/most masterful use of non-music: buffy the vampire slayer episode 'the body'

@chiensyang

2 жыл бұрын

I think The Imperial March was composed for The Empire Strikes Back. I am not sure why George Lucas choose not to use this piece in The New Hope.

@jazzyj7834

2 жыл бұрын

Silence is a symphony.

@ChadDutton

2 жыл бұрын

Another good use of silence - During the original "Jurassic Park." From the very intro, there is music to deliver us to each scene.... up until the T-Rex scene. There, all music stops for the entire scene... and it reflects how all the 'fun' of the "Dinosaur Hijinks' have now faded and gone away... and these kids in the back of this vehicle might be dinner for that hungry dino.

I would like to point out how well this exemplifies the overused adage: "Show, don't tell." It's been some time since I've watched A New Hope, but you couldn't at gunpoint made me remember Red Leader successfully carrying out the plan and still failing, or Luke realizing he could rely on instincts by shooting into a random control center. But I can remember clear as day that it made complete and total sense to me that Luke would shut off his targeting computer and rely on his instincts, because, how else would you do this, really? I feel like modern-day movies would feel the need to hang a lantern on every beat of this. "It didn't work! He got the shot through, but it didn't work!" "We need to stick to the plan, Luke!" "Red Leader stuck to the plan, and it did nothing!" "Restart your targeting computer *right now,* that's an *order,* soldier!" "That damn thing can't get a firing solution! I can get this shot through, trust me!" "Trust in the force, trust in the force, I trust in the force ..." They did none of this. As a result, I couldn't recall anything from the battle but the final shot - but I would argue that this is also the reason why the final shot is so memorable in the first place. Because all of the things we have seen before that kind of got threw under our radar due to all of the action and spectacle suddenly line up and make sense, even if we cannot fully verbalize why. I don't know if modern-day writer have to overexplain these things because they don't trust in their audience, if they maybe feel the need to brag about what great kind of sequence they have build, or if they maybe just don't have the time to delete such chatter in the last polish - but whatever the reason is, it clearly doesn't compare to just letting the audience figure it out for themselves.

@jooleebilly

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the focus groups that spark studio execs and producers to re-write and editors to change the look of a film to make it appeal to a "broader audience." Often as not, the screenplay the writer produced is NOT the movie that was released. One (old) example: A friend did some post-production editing on the movie Tank Girl. It was a really good, action-packed R-Rated movie that captured the spirit of the comic. Well, the studio decided they wanted it PG-13 to bring in the kids. The only way to do it was to tear it apart and put that lame-ass Frankenstein's movie back together with what they had left. It sucked. But it didn't have to.

@JC-ph3ku

Жыл бұрын

oh i totally agree. modern movies beat everything to death in case the audience is stupid. playing to the lowest common denominator

@marhawkman303

Жыл бұрын

@@JC-ph3ku One of my favorite movies ever was the movie Real Genius. Why? because you HAVE to rewatch to "get" it. There are so many things in the movie you won't notice on a first watch because you don't know they aren't just environmental details.

@LRM12o8

Жыл бұрын

It's such a stark contrast to the fake trilogy's tell, Tell, TELL approach: _"They fly now! 😱"_ _"They fly now? 😳"_ _"They fly now. 💁‍♂️"_ I've never been a big cineast, but a lot of modern movies seem to feel this need to explain every important detail either because they'd go unnoticed in the constant distraction with "funny" one-liners, or to try and convince the audience that they had depth. I guess subtlety and nuance doesn't sell these days, or so they think... 🤔

@ericwang9752

Жыл бұрын

I think it needs to be pointed out for the young writers out there that there's actually quite a bit of dialogue hints surrounding the issue, but they each stop short of blatantly "telling". I'm sure every aspiring writer has heard the phrase "show, don't tell", understood what it meant, fully agree with it, but have trouble executing it. "Show, don't tell" isn't about removing dialogue, its about showing piecse of information and allow the audience to draw the conclusion on their own. That is a much more powerful and engaging way of delivering information and plot. I feel like today's movies and TV are increasingly often lacking in this.

One of the greatest scenes in cinematic history, hands down. And I just realized that it's kind of a conflict between a natural moon and a techno-moon at the end, to really hammer the theme home.

Something else I though I’d mention is that one of his engines was still blown out from his first skirmish, he even tells R2 to fix it just before R2 gets hit, meaning he had to manually stabilize his ship. The point is that entire time Vader couldn’t lock onto him, and I believe that’s because his ship wasn’t flying in its robotic pattern anymore, now it was all spastic and jolty

@dustinvannoy311

Жыл бұрын

Something I always thought, based on ESB when Luke promised return after saving his friends to Yoda and Ben's aggressive urging not to go.....was Obi Wans message that he wouldn't interfere (this time) As a kid and I guess now I took that as Kenobi was with him when Vadar began to engage him.....and assisted him in blowing up the f'n death star......with the force

@briannaamore1383

Жыл бұрын

@@dustinvannoy311 So much about Obi-Wan has changed now. I always assumed that Jedi Masters always came back as Force Ghosts but apparently not.

@A.Lifecraft

Жыл бұрын

During Irak War 1, Irakis added random aerodynamic surfaces to their rockets. With computers too slow to counteract in realtime, this caused erratic flightpaths which were hard to calculate by defenses.

All of the professional pilot jargon and callouts happening makes the otherwise fantastical situation feel more grounded in reality and it raises the stakes and helps build tension. The characters are taking their situation seriously.

@magnuskallas

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. And it's fairly certain Lucas got help from a Hollywood military advisor writing this. So it makes better sense for older audiences. (To this day, after seeing so many films by now or even been to military). I can't pinpoint all the film(s) with fairly similar scene playing out like "Systems down, need to switch to manual" etc.

@trollzland1337

2 жыл бұрын

honestly if this scene had typical movie one-liners instead of jargon and callouts it would've been a million times less entertaining. I LOVE just listening to all that tactical dialogue

@zephyr8072

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll be honest. A lot of that is ruined by the fact that one of the pilots is a greasy, obese slob named PORKINS. Yeah that’s great. Why not just call him Piggy McFat and have him eating fried chicken in the cockpit if you’re going to be that unsubtle. Best part is when Biggs tells him to eject. TO EJECT INTO SPACE WITHOUT A SPACESUIT. It’s like somebody snuck this character and dialogue into the ultra serious scene as a prank and they just went with it.

@silvesby

2 жыл бұрын

@@magnuskallas The scene also is sorta a space duplicate of Dam Busters, so the dialogue is very similar

@magnuskallas

2 жыл бұрын

@@silvesby Great insight! I'm aware of the bomb and its story, but didn't know there was a classic film. I can already imagine it!

I never really noticed that Wedge was the targeting computer critic all along. Good catch. Before Obi-Wan even says anything, we have a few seeds of doubt planted that using the targeting computer is doomed to fail.

Audience reaction: When I saw it in the theatre in 1977, yes, the audience was cheering and booing all through it. Even grown-ass adults turned into 12-year olds. It had been a long time since I had seen a movie that had that effect. When Han came back to save Luke, the popcorn went everywhere.

You know it's been a long quarrantine when people clapping and cheering in a movie theater gets you emotional. A New Hope is also my favorite Star Wars so I may be biased tho.

@oneboss7648

2 жыл бұрын

I hope we can get a similar reaction from Dune or No Way Home!

@MovieBuffConnorJamieson

2 жыл бұрын

Idk why but i had the same reaction. Literally teared up, idk why

@mikea.6121

2 жыл бұрын

@MovieBuff Me too!

@ANonymous-mo6xp

2 жыл бұрын

I still remember seeing Return of the Jedi the second day of the release and the thunderous applause at the end of that movie by the audience. Chills.

I have to say, you have the smoothest insertion of an ad into your video that I’ve ever seen. Didn’t see it coming. It was funny and entertaining. Legit impressed. 🤘🏻🤘🏻

@jacobpeters5458

2 жыл бұрын

literally the only time I wanted to watch one to see what Ben Kenobi would say next! haha

@rowdythecat4696

2 жыл бұрын

It's the first time ever that I didn't skip through a Raid Shadow Legends ad

@agentduke2

2 жыл бұрын

/agree. First sponsor ad i think I've actually laughed at in probably...well, ever. "What about Alderaan? That sh*t can wait!"

@VinceLammas

2 жыл бұрын

This video and navigation through the climax of Star Wars is great and the Raid Shadow Legends insertions is truly funny. Skills!

@recKx87

2 жыл бұрын

Watched it twice... so good 👏👏

And. This legitimately brought tears to my eyes in a way I thought wouldn't happen again since Every Frame a Painting stopped posting. Thank you.

"Use the Force, Luke, let go." Words uttered from the grave to instruct. Those came from a legendary space fighter pilot who probably used targeting computers more than Red Leader. Kenobi knew the limitations of the equipment before hand from experience. Likewise, the Rebellion had never encountered a Death Star before so other than a cursory study of it's blueprints knew nothing of how to attack it. Luke's experience popping wamp rats would make a difference that Obi Wan would have forseen while Rebel commanders would not trust.

@400KrispyKremes

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point. Obi Wan also used a Jedi Fighter ship that utilized and boosted his Jedi abilities. It is said that the Jedi ships are impossible to fly without use of the force, and they use a lightsaber as key.

@thomasp506

Жыл бұрын

@@400KrispyKremes Not exactly. Though the "Jedi Starfighters" the Delta-7 (Ep. II) and Actis-Class (Ep. III) were specifically designed with Jedi pilots in mind, they were not impossible for non-Jedi to fly. They were made as small and light as possible, so they would be extremely agile to take advantage of Jedi reflexes. This is why they lacked hyperdrives, and foreshadows the design of the TIE fighter in many ways (the Actis-Class basically *is* a TIE fighter). There were actually used by the early Rebellion shortly after the clone wars, and they had built-in astromech droids which could fly the ships as well. They certainly didn't use lightsabers as keys.

@400KrispyKremes

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasp506 They did use them as keys for the Vectors. It's on Wookiepedia. Here's what it says: Jedi Vectors were a model of starfighter utilized exclusively by the Jedi Order during the High Republic Era. Designed to be a physical extension of the Jedi's connection to the Force, the Vector was a sleek and streamlined vessel that emphasized performance and maneuverability. Renowned for its speed, it was a highly-precise craft that demanded extreme concentration from its pilot. Further cementing itself as the premier ship of the Jedi Order, the Vector's weapons systems could only be activated with the use of a lightsaber as a key. This prevented non-Force-sensitives from using the ships and ensured deadly force could only be used in carefully considered situations.

@thomasp506

Жыл бұрын

@@400KrispyKremes The Vectors were an entirely different set of ships from the High Republic series, and they only required lightsabre keys to be able to fire the weapons. When people talk about the "Jedi Starfighter" they're typically referring to the Delta-7 Aethersprite from Ep. II or the Eta-2 Actis-Class from Ep. III. Both of these were flown by Obi Wan. Neither of these ships required lightsabre keys, and neither were impossible for non-Jedi to fly.

@400KrispyKremes

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasp506 A 90 year old man "Can" drive a Lamborghini too, but that doesn't mean he won't immediately crash it.

6:08 - Mark Hamill really knew how to make the little but most relatable moments feel real. at the end of VI when he gets in a shuttle with Vader's body and the gate was almost gonna close on him before the deathstar exploded, you can see him do a little "oh crap" expression. and then relief when he makes it

@roguebantha7324

2 жыл бұрын

To add to this, watch Jill Bearup's recent breakdown of the duel in ESB; Hamill really sells the emotions during that scene as well. Luke, and Star Wars, wouldn't be near the same without him.

Actually a really cool and interesting detail that I never fully realised before. It fully plays into the idea that the empire is representative of the technologically superior United States during the Vietnam War. Also this is the first time I haven’t skipped someone doing an Ad read, that was fucking hilarious.

@dimitreze

2 жыл бұрын

watch the video with Cameron and Lucas talking about this

@All_Hail_Chael

2 жыл бұрын

This never made sense to me. The TIEs are technologically inferior but they have lots more of them... somewhat like the MiG 21. Whereas the X-Wing is superior but they are way less of them like the F-4 Phantom. This is more a Russia vs USA scenario though, rather than Vietnam.

@TeamGrimm07

2 жыл бұрын

Whether we wanted it or not

@MistahFox

2 жыл бұрын

​@@All_Hail_Chael The technical details of TIE fighters and X-Wings, as well as many other aspects fans take for granted were only created in later lore like the Rogue Squadron novels and games. The people who wrote that lore use their own parallel to historical details, which Star Wars always leans heavily into (especially WW2 and Vietnam), but Star Wars never just uses one historical parallel. What's more important than the X-Wing being superior (which comes in later lore) is the fact that the TIE fighter turns faster, but the X-Wing is more durable which is both a way to make the craft different enough to make interesting Dog-fights and a historic parallel to the much nimbler Japanese Zero during WW2, which could outmaneuver any U.S. fighter but couldn't take a hit, unlike the U.S. fighters which had armor and self-sealing fuel tanks. The trench run itself is a parallel to dam busters of WW2. The Empire itself was based on many things, the British Empire, the Romans, Vietnam era America, and borrows some aesthetics and terms from both Imperial Germany and the Nazis. Unfortunately most Star Wars fans just think the Empire equals Nazis because that's all they know about from history. The rebels are both the Vietcong and WW2 America. Most of Star Wars parallels the Vietnam war, but very little of it comes from technical details. The war still weighed heavily on the American consciousness, especially George Lucas who started from subtle Nature vs. Technology themes in ANH to extremely heavy handed allegory in ROTJ. Lucas seems to represent Vietnam with Nature Vs Technology as well as underdog themes, and that's the main theme in the Original Trilogy regardless of if the specific lore of the fighters fits that theme lol.

@All_Hail_Chael

2 жыл бұрын

@@MistahFox Weirdly enough, I read all the Rogue Squadron books and pretty much every other Star Wars book pre 1999. It wasn't those books, it was the X-Wing and TIE Fighter games. I have forgotten most of what I knew about Star Wars, The Phantom Menace will do that to a man.

Love the commentary! Hilarious and informative at the same time. I was there, in 1977, in the theaters, cheering with everyone else. It was an incredible time!

The more we've learned about the true process of making Star Wars over the years, the more it supports the fact that the creative process is dependent on the bringing together of different areas of expertise! We used to think it was all Lucas, but today we know better how Marcia's editing, Ben's sounds, John's music, Gary's producing, and others, all added to the final outcome! So many of the good decisions were ones Lucas left up to others...and he left even more decisions to others in Empire and the result may be even better! And yet the more he reigned in those decisions and accepted less outside input in the prequels, the worse they got. The man was a visionary - no question - but reliant on others for the perfect execution.

@thewewguy8t88

Жыл бұрын

i agree with that. i think he was needed to make sure everything matched up as best as possible but it was also needed for everyone to do their own thing. he was kind of the glue the held the first 3 movies together.

@briannaamore1383

Жыл бұрын

Just as a General has to rely upon all his units to win a battle and can't do it single-handedly.

@tonyfendex2558

Жыл бұрын

In case you don't know. ALL directors supervise the "editing of their movies". Please go and watch all documentary about Lucas making it CLEAR that he fired the original editor of star wars (the wanted to do things his way.) Lucas had a mess in his hand, thus he (Lucas) BORROWED his wife and Richard CHEW to edit HIS star wars movie. ALL directors in the world closely supervise the editing of their creation. Stop acting like Lucas was in Hawaii when star wars was being assembled in the EDIT ROOM. Stop trying to belittle Lucas, like the MEDIA SHILLS DO!!!!

@tusharjoglekar

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyfendex2558 I agree.

@tonyfendex2558

Жыл бұрын

nice, but George Lucas is the FATHER of Star Wars. Please, go and see the documentary called: EMPIRE of DREAMS, and see who SAT DOWN and CREATED Star Wars. The documentary speaks for itself. It wasn't Marcia Lucas' creation!!!!!!

@7:15 - i just realized something. I never understood the whole "running along the trench, waiting to shoot the hole" thing, but having done a lot of milsim aviation, this comment just made me realize that their targeting computers are operating Continuously Computed Release Point (CCRP) mode: They have designated the point they want their munitions to hit, and the targeting computer is guiding them on how to fly to approach the release point at the correct angle/speed/height to ensure a hit. Neat.

@Daniel-Strain

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it has to be at that angle. But also, there are a lot more towers on the surface, so being in the trench gives them a little more cover.

@jackeppington6488

2 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-Strain Except it doesn't work. Only the Force works! ;)

@Indylimburg

2 жыл бұрын

Nice.

@brianhall4182

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I've always wondered why they had to enter the trench from THAT far away. I mean they're flying for a good minute or two there. Surely they could've entered the trench a little closer, engaged the computer for, like, 15 seconds, and had a better time of it. =p

@Daniel-Strain

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianhall4182 In various computer game renditions I've played of it, you get completely toasted by all the towers on the surface if you don't go down in the trench, where there are fewer and they have to come at you from fewer angles. I'm sure they're using it for cover. The same way you would fly into a canyon if being pursued on a planet.

It's exactly the same lesson Luke learned from deflecting the blaster from the floating ball. Clear your mind, stretch out with your feelings, trust your instincts and not your eyes, go with the flow. The right move at the right moment. It's the most basic, Jedi-101 skill the Jedi have, their simplest, most completely passive trick, and it was enough to take out the Death Star.

What i noticed is that the death star trench has a slight curve to it. The computer showed a flat running trench. A one degree difference over such a long distance makes for a huge paralax error.

No less than 75% of the reason The Battle of Yavin (first death star) is so perfect is because of the music by John Williams. That track became so iconic it got reused & remixed in a lot of the games. Like super star wars and shadows of the empire. I can listen to song and visualize the battle in my head, the tempo and tone changes with the ebb & flow of the battle. That dramatic timpani beat for final dash. The tension, the last moment save, the rush of victory. Lead into that throne room ceremony March & close scene roll credits as the main theme swells again. ICONIC

4:49 The reason they can't hit anything with those laser turrets is because they're Turbolasers, anti-capital ship weapons, not anti-fighter, and it's basically like using a 15-inch or 14-inch gun to shoot down planes. Sure it's theoretically possible to do so, but it's very hard to do something like that.

@ravenshade266

2 жыл бұрын

Unless it’s Porkins. Poor guy.

@Lord_Aussem

2 жыл бұрын

I suppose it would have been a short movie if they had equipped the Death Star with some sort of Anti-fighter weaponry, like the star wars equivalent to Flak AA guns. But I guess that's why they had squadrons of fighters!

@brightroot5719

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lord_Aussem I think the empires idea was, fill the death star with anti ship weapons. And any fighters could be delt with by waves of endless tie fighters.

@cykeok3525

2 жыл бұрын

@@ravenshade266 Not sure how canon all the other materials are, but it was explained that Porkins turns up the acceleration compensator in the cockpit all the way to 100%. Basically it's reactive artificial gravity that cancels the g-forces from maneuvers (which is a huge issue in real life fighter aircraft, and can cause pilots to black out). Usually pilots don't turn it up all the way, so they can still feel a fraction of the go-forces, which helps them feel what their own fighter is doing. In the seconds after he took a glancing hit from an enemy fighter, his damaged X-Wing was actually veering toward the surface, but because he had the acceleration compensator was turned up, he couldn't immediately feel it and correct his course, so he hit the station's surface.

@ravenshade266

2 жыл бұрын

@@cykeok3525 Ah, I thought he’d taken a hit from one of the turbolasers, not a fighter. My mistake!

I've always loved the scene when Luke turned off the computer. Even as child, I vividly remember being blown away by the music. I also love the dialog ... the dismissive but focused & serious tone in Luke's voice when he says, "Nothing! I'm all right!"

@trollzland1337

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly loved that too, the sheer calm in his voice compared to his earlier panicky and energetic

That was a brilliant review that refreshes the story of a film now almost a half century old. I must go watch SW:EIV again. Also, amazing in-video ad - watched the whole thing. You rock.

@xela4183

Жыл бұрын

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

This has to be the first time an analysis of a movie showed me more than I already knew. I came in expecting just a fellating of a classic movie I liked or some added exposition from an interview, and what I got was someone who picked up on a subtle mini arc I never realized was there and scoped in on it. Kudos man.

Another thing I always loved about this scene is Luke's humanity. Red leader makes his wingmen stay in formation behind him, even though he knows it will almost certainly cost them their lives but that it may give him a little bit of an edge, he's not a bad guy, he is just completely mission oriented. He is not a hypocrite either, he also gives his own life, knowing that their last chance was Luke's team, and he doesn't seem to want Luke distracted with trying to save him. On Luke's run, wedge gets hit and Luke says, "get out of there wedge, you can't do any more good back there" thus gaining himself a loyal friend for life. Wedge would clearly have stayed if he had been told to, but Luke let him go allowing him to become the only pilot to survive the attack on both death stars.

@apachesparatan5849

2 жыл бұрын

Actually a handful of pilots survived maybe 5-10.... I like the comics when the suggest the bomber pilot was from Alderan (to lazy to look up how it's spelled)

@stevenrowan9244

2 жыл бұрын

@@apachesparatan5849 You were very close. It's spelled Alderaan.

@NICUofficial

2 жыл бұрын

wedge is so god tier. Luke telling him to "get out of there" is such a sweet gesture. love that you highlighted this moment. Wedge is my favorite side character in the series.

@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human

2 жыл бұрын

I lvoed that scene. Wedge's fighter is hit and broken, and then he flies his fighter out no problem. It might as well have been "ow, I sprained my pinkie finger" "Get out of there Wedge!" "Are you sure, it's just my pinkie, I can still fly perfectly fine?" "SAVE YOURSELF WEDGE! You're clearly the most important one here!"

@NICUofficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human i imagine wedge as such a good pilot that he could basically just fly a burning paper airplane across time and space, no problem LOL

I completely lost it at that RAID ad because I wasn't sure if it is a bit or not. Well done, mate.

@lrgogo1517

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, the “Link in Description” and the QR being plastered on screen were the tip-offs for me

@danjohnson1568

2 жыл бұрын

Best advert in video essay blend ever.

@xsanguine8

2 жыл бұрын

Well it's a bit, and a deep cut, since Annakin went bad from following all his sponsor's advice.

OMG, Raid: Shadow Legends is a despicable Pay to Avoid Grind game, but the way you incorporated the promo for it into your video was absolutely stellar! Ben From Canada wins the Internet today!

@xela4183

Жыл бұрын

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

Dude... your video so hits home. You opened my eyes to things that should have been so obvious, and you bring home great points about the music and everything so perfectly it's making my eyes water. WONDERFUL video. I'm sharing it everywhere. 👍

"Hey, I can raw dog this" Literally every movie review should be done this way

Your palpable passion for editing is infectious, that's some rare shit I reckon a bunch of kids who'll come across your essays will eventually become editors themselves, and they'll owe at least some of it to you, and that's just wonderful. keep it up, these essays have *great* artistic merit on their own.

@chugs1984

2 жыл бұрын

it's a shame he didn't realise that New Hope was edited by Richard Chew Paul Hirsch Marcia Lucas And Marcia Lucas is in particular the sole, number one reason why the first three star wars films are a nightmarish mess like the prequels and sequels are. Lucas just wanted to make old pulp comic films and toys. She was the true film maker and she is the one made Star Wars make sense. She is the one that introduces the concept of love and relationship into the films. She works out that Darth Vader is Luke's father and so on. George has done his best to destroy all the evidence but I think that the prequels themselves show what happens when Lucas makes a film where every major and minor decision rests with him.

The moment when Obi-Wan calls to Luke to use the Force is forever one of my favorites in Star Wars. The music cutting through tension, The most heroic and powerful version of the Force Theme we've hard in the movie, really sells the moment. It's Luke's "he's beginning to believe" moment, and its just so fulfilling

Thank you for pointing out the use of tie fighter sounds in those battles. It was absolutely exhilarating as a kid.

Targeting computer presumably failed on the first attack. "Negative, it didn't go in. Just impacted on the surface!" Failed because it's designed to the hit the target directly, not drop a payload into it. Luke had to account for this fact, and time the firing of the torpedoes manually anyway. He turns off the computer to avoid being distracted by the "shoot now" alert.

@Daniel-Strain

2 жыл бұрын

Also their sensors were being scrambled. That's why they couldn't see the TIE fighters and the port wasn't appearing on Wedge's computer. And it's why the targeting computer was never going to work - it goes off of sensors.

@carlsaveus1735

2 жыл бұрын

..and you can see the impact of Red Leader's torpedos on the surface at the left of the exhaust port when we see Luke taking his shot. Great continuity detail.

@Crimsonking741

2 жыл бұрын

So it’s kinda like aimbot. It’s better to shoot your shots so they’ll walk into them, instead of aiming where the target is now, because you’ll miss. Interesting!

Dude. NAILED IT.

Superb observation. It makes perfect sense. Well done!!

So many detail I never noticed, or at least thought were random details. That adds such a cool layer to the end battle and the movie as a whole! Great video

It’s kind of jarring how Ben drops the voice he was using throughout the sponsor skit when Obi-Wan explains the Death Star to everyone literally four seconds later

@blehmeh9889

2 жыл бұрын

That wasn't Obi Wan explaining the death star to everyone, because Obi Wan died (ironically) on the Death Star when he was trying to fight Darth Vader. That was just an old grey haired scientist you mistook for Obi Wan.

I heard that a couple of the other pilots, namely Red Leader were actual pilots who flew on operations? If that's true they nailed the tension of a commander showing confidence at the beginning of the mission, while gradually losing confidence in their ability to lead their squadron and win the battle near the end. I've personally felt that feeling before in the army, it sucks man; thankfully it was only in training. I imagine it's like what a comedian feels like when they bomb on stage.

@happyears21694

2 жыл бұрын

Garven Dreis graduated from flying a T-16 to a Z-95. He also flew a R-22, a Y-Wing and an X-Wing.

@alexoisthestupid1469

2 жыл бұрын

@@happyears21694 I think he means the actors

@happyears21694

2 жыл бұрын

Then we don't know about Drewe Henley because he's not talked about and has stopped acting after this film as he suffered manic depression.

@All_Hail_Chael

2 жыл бұрын

The reason he is sweating so much is that the scene was fiilmed on the hottest day ever recorded at the time in England. Why do I remmeber these things and not important stuff?

@masonm87

2 жыл бұрын

@@happyears21694 I suppose I heard wrong: “Henley interpreted his character as an experienced battle veteran and so opted to play him without any excitement in his voice. Director George Lucas disagreed with this so they compromised so that Red Leader would at first be formal but as the battle progressed become more excited.[3]” Even so, the way he portrayed the seasoned squadron commander was spot on.

Ugh man, that final sequence just unloads some chemicals in me and I get shivers and goosebumps and can't help but cry when Obi-Wan talks to Luke, man it's wild. I knew I had to click on this video, and then pretty soon in I get that rush and by the end I'm grinning ear to ear with tears comin down my face like I'm a kid again. Great perspective in this video and I learned some things thanks!

Dude, that was awesome! I laughed so hard - and - you have a good point! Also the in-video ad was so funny and worked so well, I didn't skip through it.

Ok. I’m being honest. This analysis gave me shivers how in-depth and accurate it was, using only elements revealed in the movie itself. It’s beautiful.

@sjonnieplayfull5859

2 жыл бұрын

His own timing of music and sfx also made it more epic

@safe-keeper1042

Жыл бұрын

@@sjonnieplayfull5859 Yes, the editing in this vid was superb.

@thewewguy8t88

Жыл бұрын

i honestly want to see more scenes analyized.

@samuelbarham8483

Жыл бұрын

I got shivers as well. Right with you.

Oh, the brilliance of the film goes far deeper than just the Battle for Yavin. If you pay attention to the characters throughout the film, nobody talks or acts stupidly for their character motivations. The only exception is the arrogance of Tarkin (without which you wouldn't really have a plot). Beyond that, everyone does "the smartest move that can" under the circumstances. And this is one of the things that draw us in - the characters act like we would in their situation, so we have no choice but to empathize when it doesn't work.

@spyguy318

2 жыл бұрын

Even Tarkin’s arrogance isn’t that stupid. He’s got a very pompous and proud personality, and he believes straight-up the rebels can’t do shit to the Death Star. And he’s almost right, it literally takes a miracle to destroy it and the rebels still have a 90% casualty rate. And even after all that, his arrogance leads to his death.

@fuzzblightyear145

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Luke is is just this reckless farmboy who thinks he's invincible but so out of his depth, Leia is hard assed leader and in command and does all the planning (hides the plans and jettisons the driods, lies to Tarkin) and takes control when they get trapped in the detention centre, and Han is this shifty cynical pirate you don't know if you can even trust not to just dump them and run (shoots first and dumps his cargo at teh first sight of the Imperials...). Then gradually Luke learns control, Leia softens and opens up, and Han finds himself a cause. I do miss character arcs. (and even the Imperial fleet actually behaves like a proper trained navy in the original films)

@thundercricket4634

2 жыл бұрын

Even Tarkins arrogance I would have to defend as at least slightly justified. Don't forget that at this point the Rebellion has, for years, been routinely getting its clock cleaned at most every point by the Empire. With a win loss record of like...187-0, was Tarkin REALLY that arrogant to think he had pretty good chances of making it 188-0? The destruction of the first Death Star was the first significant win for the Rebellion, and it was what made the Empire finally see them as a threat rather than a nuisance.

@thomassexton6783

2 жыл бұрын

I think the arrogance of Tarkin actually makes the thing more believable. Look at the arrogance the US has in its military being the best in the world by a decent amount but not insane amounts in comparison to the empire.

@simontmn

2 жыл бұрын

Tarkin is one of those guys who acts like he's competent, believes he's competent, so everyone around him assumes he's competent until it's too late. That said, it was Vader's idea to let the rebels escape to be tracked.

5:08 I never realized Luke actually shot a control module for the turrets here, neat detail!

Well Done! I saw Star Wars when I was 12 years old at the Brunson Twin Theater in Baytown, Texas. One of those old fashion theaters with two story, tall screens that were wide as hell. It was freakin awesome. A much simpler time, so this was a real game changer of a movie. Thanks for the break down

There is a reason the thesis statement of the film is how Obi wan negatively says He's more machine than man when talking about Vader

Yes. Marcia Lucas killed it, but just wanted to mention that the sound is due to Ben Burtt. Brilliant sound designer and editor.

That was a great Raid ad you snuck in there. Made me chuckle. The editing to lift the stakes was a masterstroke. Top vid.

Man your narration of the scenes had my heart pumping.

The whole point of the ending of this film was that in a world of incredible technology, the human spirit and human belief are more powerful and meaningful than any technology we possess.

@TokyoXtreme

2 жыл бұрын

Even Vader said as much earlier in the film.

@wowliker642

2 жыл бұрын

@@TokyoXtreme "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

@zephyr8072

2 жыл бұрын

The Force isn’t either of those things though. It’s literal magic.

@bepd

2 жыл бұрын

@@zephyr8072 It's essentially explained as the life "force" of the universe, intangible and metaphysical and connected to living beings in a way. I don't think it's a stretch to say it's implied that things like "human spirit" and "belief" are part of what the original idea of the Force was meant to encompass.

@tburrows357

2 жыл бұрын

@@wowliker642 I always liked that reference because in essence any one of a trillion rocks rocks floating through any given solar system can destroy a planet or at least cause a ELE

3:33 This is what is missing from the new movies. You can't see militaries acting like competent militaries anymore. The heroes all have to be gung ho and over-emotional. The villains all have to be spitting and yelling until they're red in the face with anger. No one seems like the competent, calm professionals that existed in the original trilogy.

@Einnor084

2 жыл бұрын

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@mr.doctorcaptain1124

2 жыл бұрын

@@Einnor084 wtf?

@Einnor084

2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 WTF 2 wtf, man?

@seasnaill2589

2 жыл бұрын

And that's why Admiral Thrawn is one of the best villains to show up in Star Wars in recent years

@RCAvhstape

2 жыл бұрын

@@Einnor084 Check out an English grammar and spelling course. They have them online now, would do you some good.

really great fun this, well done! I even watched all your promo cause it was so funny. You got your enthusiasm over really well.

This is one of my favorite action piece of anything. Mme. Lucas is an incredible editor.

I always thought the 'My Scope's Negative' and 'Pick up your visual scanning' lines with respect to the TIEs was just due to the fact that given their small size and lack of shields, the TIE fighter just had a very very small radar cross-section (or whatever the SW equivalent to 'radar' is)

@Daniel-Strain

2 жыл бұрын

I think those pilots would know if they should be able to scan the TIE's and they seem surprised they can't. The Death Star must have been giving off a huge sensor scrambling or dampening field as a defense. This would also mean the sensors the targeting computer uses wouldn't work right.

When you think about it, it's really remarkable how prophetic this 1977 movie was about Raid: Shadow Legends.

Ok, you officially need WAAAAAAAY more subs for the most epic sponsor-plug in the history of KZread. Not to mention the shout-out to all us Canucks with “Arright, broskies, we’re goin’ fast an’ hard like a Timmy’s run… LET’S GOUHHHHH!”. Pure gold.

This is SUCH a great video!! I really enjoyed it. Thanks Ben 😊

Big Star Wars Fan here. This is the first time I have ever heard an analysis of why Ep IV is such a great film from a technical, film perspective. I've always thought the YT SW community needed a voice like this: something that discusses why the OT, especially ANH, is a great film, not because it is Star Wars, but because it is an exceptional film!.....and your discussion of the use of music! AHHHH So good! I am so tired of every second of every movie being covered in music to tell us how to feel (I say this a songwriter and recording artist lol). Silence is some of the best music someone can make in movies and this scene is such a great use of it! Well done on this analysis man- seriously!

@noneya3635

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention the Timmy run comparison to the fast and hard run up the trench. God damn brilliant.

10:58 also, Vader himself is strong in the force, and experienced in it. He is experienced enough in the force to know how to use the computers as a tool to help him, but not be beholden to them. So when he sees Luke instinctually dodging any possible point of weakness for firing, when Vader should instinctually be able to click the trigger at an opportune moment while aided by the computers on top of that, clearly something is up.

It's crazy how you made an ad, for Raid: Shadow Legends out of all things, arguably the most entertaining part of the entire video. Hands down the best sponsor plug I have and probably will ever see, for all the millions of sponsored videos there are.

@safe-keeper1042

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that was incredibly clever.

Loved it! All your arguments were 100% on point!