Love this. She wasn't perfect, far from it. But my god did she live through so many things and such a long time for that time.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

It's absolutely amazing when I get to the end of these videos (about the various women in the Wars of the Roses), and do my little recap of them with the images and think, "Wow, there was a lot happened there!" But as you say, with Cecily there was a huge amount she was part of, and I didn't even touch on everything.

@nataliapanfichi9933

Ай бұрын

​​@@HistorysForgottenPeopleshe didn't approve of her son Edward marrying a commoner like Elizabeth which was ironic because she had an affair with an archer named blayborn who she tried to pass of as her husband's even though the child looked nothing like her husband

She's my grandmother....many times removed. Wonderful!

Cecily's mother Joan Beaufort was the half sister of Henry IV. They were apart of the royal family.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Cecily was definitely regal on all sides! I think she certainly would have had a sense of that from a young age, from both her mother and father.

@jamellfoster6029

8 ай бұрын

True. She was the 1st cousin on Henry V born the same year of her cousin's victory at Agincourt. Cecily was a devoted Mom who did what she thought was in the best interests of her kids.

@lesleymay8006

8 ай бұрын

Half sister. The Beaufort were bastards who were legitimised after John of Gaunt married Katherine.

@cinnow

27 күн бұрын

Joan Beaufort was the half sister of Henry IV.

@williethomas5116

27 күн бұрын

@@cinnow true half sister but the royal half is the half they shared.

Loved and enjoyed learning more about the Wars of the Roses, such complicated times in English history. Fascinating storytelling. Thank you so much 🙏

Yay, another fabulous woman from the Wars of the Roses! I had NO IDEA Cecily got Richard a pardon but he just went "nope!" & didn't return!! I always thought he seemed more motivated by personal ambition than concern for the country, & that makes me pretty sure. I admire how Cecily continued trying to be a peacemaker, but damn, she was surrounded by people who really _wanted_ to sort things out with violence! It's fascinating to think of her possible thoughts & actions after Edward IV died- she definitely wasn't a Woodville fan, & it's logical she'd prefer Richard in charge, but I also seriously doubt she'd want her grandchildren disinherited & declared bastards, much less murdered. I didn't know she lived in the queen's apartments even after Edward got married either, & I'm shocked! Elizabeth Woodville seems like the last queen who'd tolerate that, but she did have to tolerate Edward's epic cheating- people blame her for a lot of things, but Edward was king. Likewise, Cecily couldn't have forced him to let her keep the apartments, even if she was the world's bossiest mother. ...Just wondering- did they live at Ludlow cos Richard of York had the Mortimer inheritance, with their title of the Earl of March, as in the Welsh Marches?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Honestly, if I had just gone to face Parliament after my husband had started a rebellion, managed to secure a pardon for him, and he doesn't bother coming back, I'd be FUMING. He'd want to stay away! 😂 I do wonder what Cecily thought of him remaining abroad. In the efforts of playing Devil's Advocate, Cecily was a peacemaker, but mostly within her own family - honestly, I think she was probably not too fussed about creating violence amongst the other side! But like you say, that period of time after Edward IV's death and the lack of knowledge on all sides makes it so difficult to know really what her actions would have been. I definitely think she would have done anything to be rid of the Woodvilles, but I don't think that would have extended to her grandsons, either. Just my personal opinion, of course! 😊 And yes, that's absolutely right about Ludlow Castle. When Edmund Mortimer died, the castle and the title of Earl of March both passed to Richard, and as his son Edward became the Earl of March, Ludlow also became crown property when he became king. (And I think stayed one until the English Civil War).

@Roziine7

5 ай бұрын

000😊😊😊😊😊

I’ve been wanting a doc of cecily for ages, so Thank you so much. Her husband Richard Duke of York, died at sandal castle in Wakefield. I live in Wakefield and I live basically opposite to sandal castle (well the ruins) I can see them from my window, I walk my dogs there every morning and I find it weird sometimes walking there, to think that Margaret of Anjou and Richard the 3rds dad was here and died here lol. Thank you for the upload, I’m a massive fan of your channel at the moment, and the video has just confirmed y I love your content so much lol. Keep uploading these amazing videos plz cos your channel is guna do really well 😊 x

@jessrosefawkes2721

8 ай бұрын

I meant your channel is guna keep on doing well, cos you already are lol xx

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

It sounds like you have an amazing view! (I used to live near Middleham Castle, and I know it's not the same, but I understand when you say it's so weird to look at those quiet stones and think of all that went on within its walls once). And I'm so pleased you liked this documentary! Poor Cecily has had to wait her turn, but she was definitely getting her own video too. 😂 And thank you so much! It's great to have you here. 😊

@jessrosefawkes2721

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeoplethats exactly what I think as well. It’s crazy to just look at some ruins, thinking they were actual castles were ppl lived, slept, ate and even plotted lol. If only those quiet stones could talk lol. Your video on Cecily was amazing as usual, definitely worth the wait 😊. Can’t wait for future uploads, your channel is absolutely amazing.Thank you so much and thank you for your comment, take care ☺️ xxx

@user-hu5iw4lb4x

2 ай бұрын

I’m an American , that is so interesting, you’re right there immersed in history ❤👍

My great aunt ( x,s 19,?). Proud for my Plantagenet blood. The last legit royal dynasty.

@lfgifu296

5 ай бұрын

Interesting ancestor! But are the Plantagenets really “legit”? Because, if you’re denying the House of Tudor’s right to the throne because their royal blood was more than weak and they took the throne by conquest, then the Plantagenets are also not “legit”, as their claim rests on their descent from the Normans, who had absolutely *NO* right to the throne, getting it only by killing everyone in their way.

I love the way that you narrate this in a way that holds my attention and easy to understand. Embarrassing to admit that I have adult attention deficit disorder and I get distracted easily. But when I watch your videos, somehow I don't get distracted!!!

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Aww, thank you so much! 😊Not embarrassing at all, my son has ADHD/ASD, (my husband also has ADHD, and I've got ASD, fun household, haha!) so I get how difficult it can be, especially in modern life with everything going at once! I'm really glad you enjoyed the video.

@Jerseyboondocks

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Thank you, really... I love your videos because on other ones I could get confused or have to replay it, but yours I understand it the first time and I love your graphics how You combine both old and new and they're so clear

"History's Forgotten People" has become a must see channel for me...bouncing around through it as i do..thank you...ron

@HistorysForgottenPeople

19 күн бұрын

Aww, thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying the channel. ☺

Cecily Neville is my 16th great-grandaunt.

@garyslingsby1

8 ай бұрын

i have her as a 3rd cousin via my mothers tree crazy how families cousins aunts and uncles even brothers and sisters seemed to have been on opposing sides

@juliadia007

8 ай бұрын

No offense but I think pretty much everyone in England is related to the Plantagenets. I’m in America and I’m supposedly descended from Henry II (on the left side).

Cecily Neville was my 16th Great Grandmother.

Cecile was a member of Royal family us much as her husband, she was great granddaughter of King Edward IV through her grandfather John of Gaunt.

@fibanocci314

7 ай бұрын

Edward III?

An absolute joy, 😁, tidy job! Like deployed 👍

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! 😊

I like the way that you mix modern imagery with the artists of the period (or thereabouts). Supposing that the artists of the day also wanted to present the nobles as glamorous, how our notions of beauty have changed. Of course, I don't really know what I'm talking about, ha ha, but maybe.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! I try to get as many medieval images as possible, but sometimes it's hard to find, or just not high-resolution enough. And I know exactly what you mean! I constantly try to make Midjourney do 'normal' people, but because it averages out everyone's faces from the internet, everyone inevitably ends up looking like a Hollywood actor wearing make-up. 😂 But then, as you say, royal and nobles from the past would probably be pleased that they come out looking glamourous and good-looking. 😊

@Philip-bk2dm

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Not to wear it out, but there is an image of Eleanor of Aquitaine aside astride a horse that has been doctored to prettify her face according to current popular ideas about what constitutes beauty. Most of the original medieval image has been removed, and it is being hawked for sale online. I would find that amusing except that I feel that along with racism, "lookism" is a thing that can cause heartbreaking wounds, especially to young girls. But what to do? Grin and bear it, I suppose. That aside, it's good to see you accumulating followers and fans. Thanks for your great work.

I love how well described and illustrated the video is. The responses replied to the comments are also interesting :)

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I always try to respond to as many comments as possible, if I can. 😊

All of them were descended from Edward III and then his son John of Gaunt, so they were all cousins. John of Gaunt's son John Beaufort, was the father of Edmund Beaufort and Joan Beaufort. Joan was the Mother of Cecily Neville. So, that's the reason for many of them being so close. They were all related.

Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Have a great day. See you next video greetings from Canada 😊

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Hi Michelle! I'm doing okay, I hope you are too. 😊 Thanks for watching the video!

Fascinating, thank you.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

Awesome! Thank you

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome, I'm pleased you enjoyed it! 😊

Very good. Thank you.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome, I'm pleased you enjoyed it! 😊

This was very interesting, and I do like the imagery used throughout this video. The only thing, technically, wasn't right, and I don't know if it wasn't mentioned to not confuse those who don't know, but you said that Cecily "helped" Elizabeth Woodville with her birth of her "first" child, Elizabeth, in 1465. But, Elizabeth of York was not her first child, Elizabeth Woodville already had two surviving sons, Thomas and Richard Grey, from her first marriage to Sir John Grey, who died at the second battle of Saint Alburns in 1461. Her eldest son, Thomas' direct decendant was Lady Jane Grey, the nine day Queen, in 1553. Also, despite being regarded as a commoner at this time, Elizabeth Woodville, as you said, was technically gentry, as her mother, Jacquetta of Luxembourg"s firs husband, John Lancaster, Duke of Bedford, brother of Henry V. There are so many twists and turns within the whole of the Wars of the Roses. It truly was a Cousins War. With so many political and scandalous marrages, taking place, that later set up the pieces for the next few generations. Like George, Duke of Clarence, he married Richard Neville's daughter Isabel, in a political marrage, against his brother Edward IV's wishes, in an attempt to take the throne. His daughter, Margaret Pole, Dutchess of Salisbury, was executed at the Tower of London in 1541, under orders of Henry VIII. His mother, Elizabeth of York's, first cousin, when she was 67!

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

I meant her first child with Edward IV, I must have missed that off in editing, apologies! I shall make a note of it in the description.

Great documentary!😃👍👍♥️

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

I have always been fascinated with the royal family lines of European countries. Bur it was the War of the Roses that I just sucked up anything I could read or watch on it. Recently, I was astonished to find out I am descended from Joan Beaufort and that Cecily and her children would be related to me. Gives me new meaning and appreciation of the "Cousins War"

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

That's very cool to find you might be related to such fascinating people! I keep hoping for a link to Empress Matilda, but I've not found it yet! 🤣

@carbonenterprises1216

7 ай бұрын

If you are descended direct from Joan then you are direct from Gaunt and Swynford so from Edward III, II and I. Also 3 Henrys, John , Matilda, W T Conc and the `dukes` of Normandy, Charlemagne through Williams wife, Malcolm III of Scotland and Alfred through Malcolms` wife Margaret back to and beyond Edgar. Plus all the ones in between, which is v posh.

@English_Dawn

7 ай бұрын

The Beaufort Portcullis is the official badge of the House of Commons.

Loved it, thank you 🙏🙏🙏👵🇦🇺

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

You are so welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

My ancestors and grandparents are Neville's

Oh ! Thank you very much please make a video on her another daughter in law Anne nevile , King Richard iii's beloved queen ❤❤❤❤

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

I've definitely gone Anne on my list, don't worry. 😉 She's probably the trickiest to research, there's surprisingly little known about her, despite the fact she was Queen of England.

@sulatamajumderbiswas7283

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I have a doubt whether the Kibgmker's daughter is Richard 's beloved wife 🌼🌼🌼🇬🇧

Grandma Jaquetta

History ❤❤

As for the question, what would you say is your favourite and least favourite period from History to study?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

I had a whole answer typed out, and KZread deleted it when I tried to reply! 😂 My least favourite is probably very modern history, if that counts. I love watching documentaries on recent events, but there's something uncomfortably too close about remembering the actual events, or at least living through the after-effects of those events. My favourite is way harder! I can never choose. But....I guess the early-to-mid Medieval period if I was forced to choose - I just think so much happened from constant changes in rulers, to numerous wars that changed the ways things were run across Europe and beyond, culture flourished, so many amazing things were invented (like the printing press!). So much changed from the beginning of the middle ages to the end. 😊

@lfgifu296

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Haha, I agree, it is hard😭😭 Modern (as in contemporary) History doesn’t interest me much either, but if we’re not counting that, I’d say Ancient Roman History, it is interesting, but doesn’t much appeal to me. As for the favourite, I agree (I know, who would have known🤷‍♀️) completely! The early to mid Medieval period wins💪💪

@lulugigi9907

7 ай бұрын

In English history I am fascinated by the period from Lancastrian York to Tudor. In the US I enjoy learning about the War for Independence aka the American Revolution.

2 things I noticed that I believe could be incorrect. The duke of Yorks eldest son was not Edward but I think he had a elder son that was killed in battle. Then you mentioned the Duke of York was no better at administering the government than somerset. I have read that the d=Duke of York was a very successful administrator and was admired by his peers as being a effective and popular leader. It was queen Margaret and Somerset who hated York. Let me know if I was right please. Its been a while but I read a lot of this history becasue I founds it fascinating.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

You're right about Edward, I should have said his eldest living son! Apologies, I do make errors sometimes, and I'll make a note of it in the description. Thank you! 😊 For the second point, no, I wasn't saying Edmund Beaufort was a bad administrator, but that the Duke of York basically accused him of being out for power himself rather than putting the country first. He was probably right, but he was guilty of the same thing. He was a good administrator, but he was effectively doing it to show he should be in charge, not from any good will towards the country. I probably could have worded it better, I'll bear that in mind for any other Wars of the Roses videos I do. (I do explain it better in the others I've already done, hopefully, as they're more in depth!

@MiiFone1

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Thanks for clarifying> keep up the excellent work I find your videos extremely fascinating .

@lulugigi9907

7 ай бұрын

I also always thought Edmund, who died with his father, was the eldest. I don’t remember where I read that. Also from long ago reading, I thought that Richard of York was seen to be the better administrator. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@joankrawitz

Ай бұрын

Edmund was the second son. That's why there was some gossip when he was given a glitzy baptism in Rouen Cathedral, while the eldest brother, Edward, was baptised quickly at a side altar. Of course, the reason for Edward's quickie baptism probably had to do with the death of an unmentioned previous newborn or Edward being born prematurely.

She had 4 sons who reached adulthood. Edward, Edmund, George and Richard..

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Yup, I do mention that she had twelve children altogether, six who survived infancy, but I didn't list them all.

Cecily didn't seem to care that her grandson's birthright was stripped away and was possibly killed.

@williethomas5116

8 ай бұрын

No evidence that this is true. It's not like she did what Eleanor of Aquataine did.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

The thing is (as williethomas5116 says) is that could be true, or it might not be - there simply isn't enough evidence either way. She may have had strong feelings on the subject, and kept quiet for the sake of the dynasty (now through Richard), she may not have cared because dynasty was more important to her than any family member, or possibly she might have had a hand in it. That whole period of time and the events around it are some of the murkiest in history, sadly.

@beth7935

8 ай бұрын

@@williethomas5116 I'm kinda blurry on the details there- I know Eleanor was involved somehow, & Arthur was at one of her castles at one point, but did she definitely help John cover up his murder?

@beth7935

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Do we know many contemporary opinions on it at all?? Like, I've just vaguely heard that "most people believed they were dead" at some point after they vanished- I forget exactly when, but obviously before Margaret Beaufort & Elizabeth Woodville started plotting- but not what specific people thought, other than the few authors of chronicles etc who mention it. I certainly haven't heard of anyone daring to question Richard III about it! People's opinions later, like Yorkists claiming to believe Perkin Warbeck was really Richard Duke of York, are obviously a totally different matter.

@michaeldefeo1439

8 ай бұрын

​@@beth7935it isnt known. What we do know is that for some reason Eleanor campaigned for her son John Lackland, who became John I, to be King after the death of her older son, Richard I / Richard Lionheart, instead of her grandson, Prince Arthur, who was the son of John I's older brother, Prince Geoffrey, who died before Richard I died. And although we have no proof its highly likely that when John I captured his nephew, Prince Arthur, he most likely ordered his death since, he had the stringer claim to the English throne.

She gave birth to two Kings - Gary and Phil, who went on to rule the Premiership from the mid 90's till the late 00's! What a woman.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Hahahaha! I knew I'd missed something out. 🤣

❤

The York claim was the strongest. Henry IV usurped the throne sowing the seeds for the Wars of the Roses.

Insane to think I’m related to these people down the line

One persistent question regarding Edward IV pertains to how much he differed from his normal-sized dark siblings. 6'4"" and reddish blond. Hmmmm.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

I hadn't heard about the reddish-blond description, so I can't comment on that, but when Edward's tomb was opened, there was some hair recorded as being brown. His father was described as having light brown hair, so not too different. It's definitely curious though! Especially as the DNA tests done for Richard III's bones revealed that there had been a break somewhere in the paternal line, but it could have come from a couple of generations before (so possibly John of Gaunt, or John Beaufort). Interestingly, the DNA also revealed that Richard III could have been blonde with blue eyes, or was at least blond as a child and his hair darkened over the years.

wow.last true prince of wales was owain glyndwr. tudors fought with him.

What was Cecily's relationship to Margaret Beaufort?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Good question - they seem to have got on okay. I don't think they were close by any means, but they respected one another, and they found common ground in how devout they were. I can imagine Cecily saying something like, "I dislike that usurper Henry Tudor...but his mother's alright. Lovely, religious lady."

@sandisteinberg731

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Thank you.

@lesleymay8006

8 ай бұрын

Should specify which Margaret, as several of them, but will assume you mean the one who married Edmund tutor and produced Henry vii. Cousins of some degree

@emmaedwards8205

8 ай бұрын

They were first cousins once removed (granddaughter and great granddaughter respectively of John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford)

@sandisteinberg731

8 ай бұрын

@@emmaedwards8205 Thank you for the clarification.

Midjourney still didn't get her clothes in the correct time period.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

It is SO difficult to get it right! Don't even ask me about trying to make the various Medieval headdresses... I figure it'll improve over time, hopefully!

Crazy part is if they had placed edwards son on the throne then there would have been peace in England and king Henry the 7th wouldn’t have been able to take advantage of the civil wars to win the throne. Which means York would have won so they destroyed themselves.

Oh my.... Your Marie Antoinette sticker and bag and anything else has a horribly written "quote" on it....this should be fixed ASAP!! It says "One musn't *lost* their head" When it should read "One musn't *lose* their head".

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Ooh, I hadn't spotted that! Thanks, I'll get it changed ASAP.

I think there's a really good possibility that Edward was illegitimate, not just because of the timing of his birth, but due to the fact he apparently looked nothing like his siblings, I just find that interesting.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Oh, he definitely could have been! I don't discount that altogether, but rather it's just that there's no real evidence for it either, and in the context of the day, it no longer mattered once his father said, "That's my son". You're absolutely right in that he could easily have been illegitimate, but I don't think we would ever know at this point. Perhaps if DNA was compared between Richard III's remains and Edward's?

@lulugigi9907

7 ай бұрын

I would say not all siblings look alike and today’s dna testing shows siblings who look so different are biological siblings and that each just inherited most of their genes from different ancestors. Just like it’s not impossible for two blue eyed people to produce a brown eyed child, it’s most likely they won’t as it’s more complicated then dominant and recessive which mostly controls such things.

“Proud Cis”? I guess we will find out👀 Tbh, given the fact that she had three sons, all a**holes, and her husband seems not to have been the nicest either, and her daughter Margaret, though formidable, had quite the temper (maybe temper isn’t the right term, but look at her long lasting grudge against the Tudor dynasty, for example, she took every chance to mess with Henry VII), I assume Cecily herself mustn’t have been the most pleasant, but maybe I’m wrong👀

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

No, I'm with you - I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but I admit Cecily is my least favourite 'Wars of the Roses' lady. There's always something a little off about her, to me. Having said that, I also think women had to be twice as hard, twice as ruthless to keep ahead of events because they were not male, and also there's upbringing to consider. From the day she was born, Cecily will have been told how important her family was, and no doubt she understood their place regarding royal lineage, and I reckon knowing those things can make someone into an a-hole! 😂

@lfgifu296

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I suppose haha, but same, she does strike me as an unpleasant one, haughty. Also, Edward IV and his friends, I suppose, when he was still Earl of March, made fun of Elizabeth Woodville’s brothers and father for being low born💀 Ironically enough lol. I don’t think she would do this, but she could treat one coldly based on their birth. One example of a person who didn’t do this is Katherine Howard! Despite being a member of the powerful Howard family, she was said to treat everyone kindly!

still not a fan of Richard of York, he might have some right to the throne but was still a female line, so he needs to shush. Also I understand the want to get rid of Woodville, people like them always rub me the wrong way so I get it

@juliadia007

8 ай бұрын

He was a descendant of Edward III on both his maternal and paternal lines although the mothers father was son #2 from Edward and his father’s father was son #4. I guess it’s like poker- a bunch of lower cards is as good as 2 high cards.

You’d think these obnoxious A1 images would have the fashions right but they are about 70 years off when not totally anachronistic. Also, Im seeing a lot of silk challis which wasn’t invented until the 19th century. Oh well, it’s just a history program so who cares about historical accuracy.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

I do actually attempt as much accuracy as possible, and use contemporary images where they exist. Unfortunately, AI is still not perfect, and if I attempted to make them perfect, it would take months for a single video. Even using stock images would result in there being historical inaccuracies as there simply aren't enough images in the right time period with different models, and even if there were, I'm not sure I could afford it. One day, when I have a budget that rivals the BBC, that will change, but until then, I feel the essence of the images is enough.

@juliadia007

8 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I’m sorry. I didn’t even think that there is a real person making these videos. I understand that getting all that imagery must be a big task. I have a big visceral problem with A1-it’s going to destroy trust and basically destroy the social fabric. (IMO)

Sup, ggrandma⁴

Did she have an affair with an archer

@HistorysForgottenPeople

2 ай бұрын

As far as we're aware, probably not. We can't say 'definitely not', because who knows, but the evidence is extremely sparse, and it's very likely her enemies would have wanted to make up rumours about her. But...also maybe. 😂

I hope you do make a video about William The Silent! his life is so underrated and overlooked while so much hard shit happened in it, the tragedies and losses he endured, the tragic end, the cause which was successful almost a century later...if more people know about him, he'll also be worthy of getting romanticized

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 ай бұрын

Wow, I must admit, I haven't even heard of William the Silent! I just had a quick read up on him, and so much happened in his lifetime! He is absolutely on my list, thank you for the suggestion. 😊

@juliadia007

8 ай бұрын

He is my FAVORITE character ever in all history. I’ve mused if he had married Elizabeth I.

@altinaykor364

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople I'm waiting for it😊😊😊

Sup, ggrandma⁴