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In the meantime, your great channel has mutated too much for me into a sales and a permanent advertising show.

@theoa126

7 ай бұрын

I was thinking this!

@grayssoncarl5020

7 ай бұрын

@@theoa126 mee too. I didnt found the mistakes mentioned in the title between all the advertising.

All of the branding makes me feel like I'm watching Patrick Bateman describe his morning routine in American Psycho

@kursantstrzelecki2958

6 ай бұрын

Let's vacate the area before he starts talking about music.

@baileys6346

6 ай бұрын

@@kursantstrzelecki2958 When you're in the backcountry and you hear, "Do you like Huey Lewis and The News?"

This is surprising to me that camping is becoming a fashion show where fleece shirts are 80 bucks and paints are 130 bucks.

@djking44151

7 ай бұрын

You should expect to pay for quality products. I don't think 130 is unreasonable for good trousers.

@djking44151

7 ай бұрын

​@@pigglepuggle there's nothing wrong with wearing budget. Cheap clothes serve a purpose, but high quality clothes aren't cheap.

Perfect video for me to watch before some buddies of mine and I head out Friday to do a section hike of the AT, where the temps may reach below 35F during our stay. Thanks Steven! Love the videos, please never change! Keep up the videos!

Thank you for taking us through with products of what you use in Cold weather, this is the kind of video I've been looking for to help explain layering and buy gear this season.

$129 pants?! Man, you "ultralighters" are BOUJIE! 😂 I love Kuhl, just can't bring myself to pay those prices.

-6°C... That's freezing winter where I'm from. I'm shivering watching you chilling at 20°F.

@lizzaangelis3308

Ай бұрын

I know shoulder season for me is 33°-80°

Very timely and simple layering suggestions! Thanks!

How I wish this equipment was available when I was a kid camping in the snow. Frozen feet, immersion foot, cold sleepless nights on top of rocks. Yeah wish I had all that, but it was still fun.

I love the slo-mo video shots of you zipping your jackets. It's like a real commercial but doesn't feel like you're "selling".

@tbrowniscool

8 ай бұрын

🤣 So true, LINK BELOW gUys!

Awesome modeling of the Bogler! Another tip: base layers are good at managing moisture but are not very efficient as insulators (warmth to weight is low). It is better to stick with thin base layers and add middle layers of lightweight fleece or synthetic insulation. Mainly for when it gets colder.

Thanks for another amazingly informative video!

I always, even in the summer months, wear base layers in my sleeping bag. Not only does it keep me a bit warmer, it also protects my sleeping bag (which cost a lot of money) from getting oils and dirt on it from my body. I have designated sleeping stuff that is very lightweight. On the bottoms I have some semi-stretchy silk pj bottoms I picked up at a thrift store, they weigh less than one ounce. In summer I pare these pants with a pair of running socks that also weigh only a few grams. On top I wear the lightest-weight base layer that Icebreaker makes a pair of lightweight gloves and a lightweight cap. I tend to sleep warm so I have a very lightweight sleeping bag, but if it’s really warm I’ll start the night in only these layers, not in my sleeping bag, and as the temps drop I climb into my sleeping bag.

Great video. Agreed - it's REALLY important to know how your various layers perform and the shoulder season is awesome for trying them out. I'll usually pack my standbys plus one unknown layer in the shoulder seasons to try out. The biggest thing I tell newer hikers is to not underestimate how much heat you will generate on trail. When you start the day, it's best to be chilly, or you will be shedding layers before you finish the first mile, and always have an extra layer or two for the evening - that's really the only time you're likely to need them, when you start cooling down. I've been hiking in shorts and a t-shirt on hilly terrain and been quite comfortable even though there were ice crystals forming in my water bottle. When you do physical work, you generate a lot of heat. Plan for it so you don't have to stop 20 minutes in to pack the extra layers you started with.

@bihlygoat

8 ай бұрын

“Be bold. Start cold.” I always do that, even backcountry skiing before sunrise. What you say is so true.

Great video. Always enjoy your take on gear👍

When it starts getting cold I always pack midweight long John tops and bottoms. I always heard that the temperature rating of your quilt or bag is with thermals on. My quilt is 30 degrees and that’s with thermals. Plus it keeps my quilt clean and when I get to camp all sweaty, I have something clean to throw on. I have got my quilt down to 15 degrees with thermals,mid layer and down jacket. Katabatic flex 30. Great quilt 👍

What's with the title that you never even address? What mistake?! Oh well, here I am, engagement bait successful.

"The Surprising Mistake on Shoulder Season Hikes" Not going lie... while I have enjoyed most of you uploads ......This one totally felt like click bait

@vyndecimibd

8 ай бұрын

I agree, the contents of the video were anything but surprising and I struggled to follow the narrative because I was waiting for the "surprise".

Love the music and the info!

some commenters stating they do not see the 'mistake' in shoulder season video... i think MLO speaks to hikers with experience, thus maybe non hikers (or non travelers) knowing shoulder season. these videos always gets me thinking: shoulder season, or variability of temps & weather, has me packing everything: i have my swim suit and puffy, rain gear a must, then i better throw in the insulated hammock blah blah blah- i look like a rummage sale. i think the bottom line is: it is a mistake to not have versatile gear, lighter gear and skinny dipping😼

Baselayer is like breakfast . You may get away without for a day or two .. but it will make itself apparent as essential

I think the Melanzana micro grid hat is just about the best warmth to weight option at that price. It's my hiking go-to until the temps get into single digits. If you're in Leadville, it's a must buy.

Great video - I like Garage Grown Gear and need to shop there more often. I wear leg warmers in fall-winter-spring made from men's big wool socks with the toes cut off. Then I can pull them on and off as needed easily, or simply push them down to my ankles. Works like a charm and is great for rambling through blackberry brambles here in Oregon. And since it's wool, if it gets a little wet, it's still warm.

Shoulder season can definitely be a great time to hike if you want to avoid the crowds!

Steven, in Wyoming we always carry shoulder season gear. We got snowed on in mid August, in the cirque of the towers.

I just did a backpacking trip where the low was 20 degrees Fahrenheit. I thankfully run hot so i dont layer too much. I do bring an emergency blanket to use inside my quilt just in case the forecast is much colder than forecasted.

I use Buffalo Systems Gear. This is a UK company. No layering required. Worked well during my Iceland Arctic Circle hike and Volcano hike during cool wet weather. Also great in the winter on the Northeast coast for cold weather hikes and diggers out snow drifts.

I didn’t see a wind shirt. I never backpack without my Houdini. It’s so versatile. It’s fantastic over a 100wt fleece.

thanks for including Celsius ! :D

The beginning shot is at Alice Lake isn’t it? Snowyside Pass is one of my favorite views in Idaho.

stay warm!

When I lived in the Midwest, the shoulder months require just a wool tshirt, a wind barrier jacket a puffer vest and pants. Maybe a beanie. Now i live in the south it's either hot or reasonable.

@lizzaangelis3308

Ай бұрын

I can’t even deal with your winter or spring or fall. I love the heat. And there are definitely ways of coping with it. And it’s not stripping all your clothes.

What backpack do you use in this video? Looks good.

Soooo curuous about the all season pad! How warm was it? What's the weight/size of yours?

I really need a budget version video of this stuff

Love my alpha fleece

GGG sends emails too and I always find really cool stuff on their site.

I checked out garage grown gear… everything is way too expensive for me. I found my current winter hat at a gas station for a very impressive price of $5.00 best buy that I have ever made. It has a woolly knit outer layer (also with bobble) and a fleece inner layer. Keeps head very toasty. My mom took it one outing and then wanted one like it. Unfortunately the gas station that I got it from doesn’t carry them anymore… And also your “shoulder season” is our Winter. Shoulder seasons IMO are lows in the 40s with highs mostly in the 60s and 70s but generally lower than 85°

Can you tell us about your hat? Looks like it protects against both sun and rain pretty well.

LOL! Love the ending!

I bought a new base layer top. The Air Mesh from MH. On my scale it’s 5.1 oz. I’m an XL. I got a 1/2 zip version. I’m guessing the pullover version would be even lighter. I wore it on a hike in the 40 degree range and was not trapping moisture. Wind does blow through it. I wish they made a pants version of it. I could have a complete base layer set under 10 oz.

Am looking to buy a nemo pad soon, is the all season going to be the one to be in that soft spot unless you hike in extreme cold? Been looking at nemo quazar because people say it's so comfortable, usually don't camp or hike below 40 degrees

I was suprise, about this video, but it is self explaining, and if I may speak for the europeans, loving the ° C :) Such a great self explaining video. Thank you

I like your sun hat worn at the end of the video, what hat is that?

Could your Recomend any good Down pillows? Still searching for a large pillow

So that's why all the Nemo Tensors are on sale! I've been wondering what sort of changes/redesign was going to be coming out. Guess its just a full on whole other mattress pad! How do you like your Zenbivy? I have one from their first Kickstarter (or whichever site was used when they were first developing it) and I really want to love-love it, but unfortunately, there are too many center sections with little to no down in them with all the corner and edge sections filled with down, making it not that warm. Ive been freezing in 60 degree temps. Which is sad because 1) It wasn't cheap; 2) I love the design, idea, and the material is so soft. It is in theory an amazing sleep system, but in practice it really falls short.

Synthetic thermals are essential if you're skinny and get those cold drafts up your back. I got the $10 for 2 pair 30 Degrees ones from Costco. They take zero space, very comfortable and take that chill out.

I just purchased a NEMO Tensor EC. I never purchase stuff like that without reviewing so this is a first. I guess we'll see how it goes! I did have a Tensor but returned it as I didn't find it as warm or comfortable as my EXPED 7R LW. The latter was the lightest warmth to weight ratio that seemed like it'd be comfortable, and I haven't regretted it at all, in fact I bought a RW version to go with it for my Mrs. However after seeing the packability and warmth claims of the EC, and not having to worry about down distribution in the pad, well, that could change things.

@mobilewintercamp7515

8 ай бұрын

I have the ExPed from last year. I wish the Nemo came out then I would have bought it instead.

@dangerpudge1922

8 ай бұрын

@@mobilewintercamp7515 the last Nemo Tensor I tried was... adequate, but not nearly as comfortable. We'll see if I have better results from this one. If not, the EXPED pads are off-the-charts comfortable and warm, so it isn't like I'll be making a bad choice if I stick with them.

Can you make a review on aerogel jackets, If they actually Work? There are pretty much no videos about them although it's said it's way better at everything than other common clothing materials like down.

Can you do a winter clothing and sleep system video? Asking for a friend 😅

What daily range of temps do you consider to be shoulder season, or at least for the context of this video? At what temperature would you not take the puffy and only the alpha fleece?

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

Lows in the 20F to 15F is generally what I consider shoulder season. Lows around 45F to 50F I would consider leaving the puffy at home. At the very least I’d take a lighter puffy.

Doing a rain camp Thursday. BC cold is damp, dank, and foggy. Love it!

I myself own a few Kuhl pants but have never paid full price for them. I wait for one of REI’s big sales and buy the big ticket items then. It’s a great way to save some moola.

Base and shell , put the mid on when you stop.

I can pretty confidently say that my face has never been that close to a cat hole haha. I admire the dedication to the video!

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

Haha! This was shot before it was used!

IMO, for me anyways... fleece is great for sitting around only. I sweat way too much in it for hiking, etc.. Wool works better for me (when I'm active).

Hey, amazing video! I have a question about layering :)) I’m looking to buy the Patagonia nano puff jacket, but I’m not sure if the hooded or non hooded version is the best for me… Does a hooded puffy jacket work well under a hard shell/ rain coat? Or is a non hooded puffy jacket the better option with a hard shell over it?

@kat.p.b.5193

8 ай бұрын

my 2 cents: i always love a hood, especially under my rain gear in colder temps but recently got a synthetic stand alone hood (not attached to a jacket) for sleeping and it is great! you may like having the jacket without the hood then be able to add a hood for more extreme times, if needed😺

@funnybeingme

8 ай бұрын

I always bring a hooded puffy jacket when I'm backpacking. It's really effective to keeping the heat in especially when it's windy. Yes it does work well under a hard shell/rain jacket. With over 4,000 miles of backpacking experience, hoody puffy is without a doubt my choice.

Does anyone know if there is much difference in warmth between a 90gsm and 120gsm alpha tops and is it worth the extra $$?

what model is your Montane rain pant?

Proof that the layering can be very subjective... 20+ years working in the outdoors and once it gets below 50, I am always wearing lightweight base layer bottoms. Great suggestions but find what works for you.

That fleece mid layer looks interesting. I’ve recently seen a video about mesh base layers and their ability to push out moisture from your skin and evaporate. Then a few videos later some Nordic people were wearing such a design while on an Arctic trek for days in extreme winter conditions. I’m going to have to investigate that, can you point me in a direction?

@thecanuckredcoat4142

8 ай бұрын

I can aclima is decent, and I've heard good things about bergetragen.

@soopy5364

8 ай бұрын

The material is called Alpha Direct if you want to check out different brands that use it

Shoulder season?

I literally wait for -15f or lower to add a base layer unless it's all I'm wearing while constantly hiking and under 40f.

I watched a bunch of videos like this. Packed a bunch of shit per these videos. Then found out that when I'm active, I'm hot as hell. 35F and raining? I'm wearing my single layer perforated hiking shirt and still sweating the whole day. My above freezing layers are now as follows: Thin, heavily ventilated white long sleeve synthetic shirt. $70 down puffy. 250g frogg togg rain shell. And I only need to pull out the puffy and rain shell if am sitting around doing nothing, or its super windy.

I found out that "shoulder season" is a term known in hiking community, but hardly anywhere else.

@perryh.-r.4419

8 ай бұрын

I've also heard it to describe other types of tourism. E.g. the optimal time to visit a given city is from June to August, and so the shoulder season (when prices are a little lower) is May and August.

@kevinstarski1598

8 ай бұрын

After looking online a bit, perhaps that's where it originated from, tourism...@@perryh.-r.4419

I'm surprised you don't talk about wool/alpaga/quivut

Err! What do you mean by ‘shoulder season’? Never heard this saying in the UK

I like that the Melly boast was low key.

That’s some up close cat hole digging…😂

What is the specific name of the power bank? The link keeps timing out for some reason. Thanks

@miscellaneous263

8 ай бұрын

Nitecore nb 10000

Never heard the term Shoulder Season until now.

uk veiwer here, where dose the exsperetion/ what dose the exspretion sholder season mean?

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

Summer is the main hiking season. Spring and fall are typically referred to as shoulder season or the time when temps aren’t quite summer but not quite winter either.

@randarkanan

8 ай бұрын

@MyLifeOutdoors just never come across that exasperation, thank you for replying

That’s some Gucci kit😊

Would it be okay to get a mention in the description of roughly where you are for the video filming? Or would that be giving away too much info? I don't want to add to the "Instagram effect" for beautiful spots, but I do sure get curious when I see lakes and mountains like that.

@kevinstarski1598

8 ай бұрын

Sure looked like Idaho to me :-)

@amandaedwards1649

7 ай бұрын

Looks like central Idaho to me?

Cool and interesting video - but what are the mistakes now? Was it just me who didn't notice or was this just clickbait and the thumbnail as well?

Comment about GGG. They gave in, and sell big box products. 😢 Nemo, Sea to Summit.

What about WAX for water resistance? Cotton + wax? No synthetics. Yay. But does it work? I guess there is only one way to find out..

What is shoulder season

What is "shoulder season"?

ahh, the old 'cold shoulder' season😸

@kat.p.b.5193

8 ай бұрын

i think your videos are great!

@meljane8339

8 ай бұрын

I don't know what cold shoulder season is, I am a 40-something who is only 2 1/2 winters old ! I can say that freezing rain scares me more than most anything.

@kat.p.b.5193

8 ай бұрын

@@meljane8339 i feel like fall into winter can be harder than winter into spring... building up the tolerance. of course it is nice to get out all the heavier gear

@meljane8339

8 ай бұрын

@kat.p.b.5193 but, going straight from the high heat of southwestern summer to an autumn that is colder than your winter and rapidly gets much colder is a Huge body-shock. ...The park-life actually can be fairly difficult. ...

@kat.p.b.5193

8 ай бұрын

@@meljane8339 yeah, it can feel like mother nature is giving you the cold shoulder😼time for thermoregulation...got gear? i always start with wool...

as always, you've made a beutiful video. But, I think the background music is so loud that I can't comprehend some words that you talked. i need closed caption for some part of the video.

Hello Steven, love your videos. Would you share your wife's sleep clothes please. I sleep cold and starting the AT early spring. Thank you in advance.

Maybe because I'm from Texas, but I'd never heard the term, "shoulder weather".

@kevinstarski1598

8 ай бұрын

It's a hiker's jargon. Never heard anyone say that besides people in the hiking community. It's actually funny how most of us accept jargon like that without realizing that 99% of people don't know what you're saying. It's common all across the board...acronyms and abbreviations are common as well

Kuhl’s customer service is atrocious. I bought a stretch voyagr jacket from them last year brand new direct from Kuhl. 3 months later after wearing it in its first rain, 15 minutes of a moderate shower wetted the jacket completely through. I sent pics to their claims department and they said it’s too old to return, oh well, here’s a $40 coupon now go away. They could have had a customer for life. Instead I will never buy a Kuhl product ever again.

@scotbotvideos

8 ай бұрын

That wasn't cool of Kuhl.

@meljane8339

8 ай бұрын

(That's a lot better than Sorrell).

Whats the name the pot graber

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

It’s the Miksa Pot Graber. Here’s a link: geni.us/AACF5L

I take coveralls and a propane heater....my base weight is only 45 lbs. 😂

Here's how you know I'm not a backpacker. I have no idea what "shoulder season" is.

@DarDarz

8 ай бұрын

Fall and Spring are shoulder seasons.

I would love to see a lighter pack list of your 22 lbs shoulder season loadout. I can't get below 26 lbs.

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

Let me see if I can throw one together. Most the stuff I take is in the description but no weights are listed. Etc.

@misfireendurance

8 ай бұрын

Low due to sharing a sleep system and tent with his spouse, I suspect.

@dakotareid1566

8 ай бұрын

@@misfireenduranceit’d be heavier

@cosmokenney

8 ай бұрын

@@MyLifeOutdoors eh... don't go out of your way if you don't already have one. I'll look through the description again. I can figure out weights.

I like the video, but i'm not sure the title correctly reflects the contents of the video... where is the "surprising" mistake? I'd rather carry more weight just so I am prepared for cold weather. It's not a mistake, it's more of a cheap alternative :)

Just wear alpha direct. that’s all

GGG doesn’t sell zenbivy

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

You are correct. Only ZenBivy sells ZenBivy

Overpacking is a HUGELY over-emphasized problem in the backpacking community. The military will routinely have you rucking 12+ miles with 70 - 90 lbs of gear which includes full body armor and a rifle under your pack. I PROMISE YOU, an extra 6 oz piece of gear is not going to "weigh you down".

@hanwagu9967

4 ай бұрын

there's a world of difference between military needs and recreational backpacking needs. Primarily, the military takes the fun out of backpacking.

I really love your videos, but sometimes I'm left wondering how the content relates to the title. I couldn't figure out what the surprising mistake you mention in the title is. You did get me to click on the video, but I'm left with an open loop.

Just drink more soda

Thats a dead link

The video can be summed up in one minute - bring warmer clothes, sleeping bag and pad. The rest of the video? Read the other comments.

*Promo SM*

Shoulder season ? 😂

My comment about Zenbivvy being crap just got deleted from the video lol (Screen shotted MLO)

@tbrowniscool

8 ай бұрын

Here is what I said that was deleted before, I bought the 25c Light Bivy system from Zenbivy. I laid it out in front our TV to let is "expand", the smell was awful. My GF could not stand the poultry smell and it took 3 days of it over a washing line in the sun to "dampen the smell". I then fluffed it up and measure the "loft" it was so empty at about 1cm when laid flat. I thought I was buying something awesome but with a bit of digging they are all made in Vietnam (probably by kids) The only actually good news it the sheet with a down hood is genius. Shame about the main bit being cold and smelly. I ended up getting a 800fp quilt from Jolmo Lander on Ali and its been a dream. MLO just pushes adverts through BS, I wonder if he will delete this comment?

@MyLifeOutdoors

8 ай бұрын

I haven’t deleted any comments. I have no problem with what you said other than you are accusing me of things ive never done. Did you contact ZenBivy about your experience?

@tbrowniscool

8 ай бұрын

Well my comment was deleted, I am from the UK so it was not economical to send it back to Vietnam/USA. Your channel is literally spotlighting products, and that's fine. But you never mentioned where Zenbivy buys from the supplier? Do you not care?@@MyLifeOutdoors

@kat.p.b.5193

8 ай бұрын

bummer.... i have 2 zenbivy set ups (one cold heavy duty (synthetic)wide and one warm & light (down)) and 2 of their pillows. they are all 5 years old with moderate use and they are like brand new. i think they are wonderful and am sorry you had such a bad experience😿

@tbrowniscool

8 ай бұрын

Yeah my experience has been awful, on the ZenBivy website they make them look "plush" and "lofted" mine looks like a pancake. I can feel both sides of the material in the centre of every chamber. Glad you have had better luck, I have lots of British made Snugpak synthetic bags/clothes (which are incredible) but heavy. I went full UL this summer and the only thing that sucked was the zen quilt. Honestly its so fucking thin! @@kat.p.b.5193