Nobbel, you are carrying the weight of the Lore community on your mighty shoulders. I love all you do and the hard work 💟

Given how long it's been since i've watched your early parts of Sylvanas Story i'll gladly watch this, thanks Nobbel!

@IsaiahWayne2104

4 ай бұрын

I'm happy this full analysis video came out. I didn't know when Sylvanas' story was gonna end.

@williamlidholm7220

Ай бұрын

😮​@@IsaiahWayne2104

Finally, the Nobbel Cut is released, for one of my favorite characters

Sylvy loyalist for life. Just waiting til she says "take back my city."

@Rylinu

3 ай бұрын

❤

@mbronson2466

Ай бұрын

Sylvanas did nothing wrong! Change my mind lmao

As a new player she’s one of my favorite characters and cannot wait till the day we see her again! Thank you for your amazing work on these videos 🫶🏼

Well done. I never had a problem with Sylvanas' heel turn during Shadowlands. She's always been very self-centered and focuses just on her wants and needs. I'm actually surprised there was a big uproar by the community over it.

@shawnthetaco10

Ай бұрын

Same here honestly. Maybe I just didnt have as much attachment to her cause I never played OG warcraft but it always felt like she was eventually going to make a truly evil move a la Garrosh. Then it felt inevitable once she was named Warchief.

@chase5436

6 күн бұрын

It just felt in Legion they were trying to build on what happened when she jumped off Icecrown and advance her character development much more than they ended up doing. Seeing that in Legion to the complete 180 in BFA was jarring. Shadowlands' story having to share space with the writers trying to explain that 180 was annoying (and not done well). Also, they had just done a "bad" warchief story. They killed off Voljin to do nothing with her, as well. Lot of reasons for people to be annoyed.

I'll be completely honest, several years back around the time BFA was a ways along, I got so fed up with how badly the direction for Sylvanas' story had gone and decided to remind myself of how much better it used to be by playing through Warcraft 3 again. However, after I finished it, I've come to realize something that now pains me to acknowledge. Her writing has always been pretty bad. Playing her story again, I now realize that I was honestly fonder of the basic concept and idea of the character rather than the character itself. A revenge storyline involving a past victim of Arthas who uses his own armies and weapons against him in an anti-hero style rebellion had a lot of promise and delivered on it in almost every way... except the writing. I mean, we're talking about the same character that decided it was a smart idea to recruit an obviously treacherous and untrustworthy Dreadlord into her ranks and is then surprised when he betrays her later, and then monologues to Arthas instead of shooting him when she had the chance. Can we really be surprised that a character that does these things would go on to be the character she became later?

@VictusPrime

3 ай бұрын

None of Warcraft's characters and stories are particularly groundbreaking at the narrative level. A lot of the most beloved characters from this universe are based on archetypes in a fantasy setting, hence why you enjoy the idea of a character instead of the character itself. This is a fundamental element of archetypal story telling and for the most part, it was done well enough in Warcraft.

@donjezza10

3 ай бұрын

@@VictusPrime The characters began as archetypes, but I reckon the way they were utilized breathed new life into them. Arthas's dark turn, Thrall's pledge for peace, Jaina's rise in leadership, and Illidan's redemption were all pretty straightforward story arcs, but the details involved were what elevated them. But Sylvanas, unlike the other characters, really didn't seem to have as much focus on her overall direction in the story outside of just hating Arthas. And I reckon because of this, they left way too much blank canvas for the fans to unknowingly fill in themselves, leading to the contrasting takes on her early character.

tysm for uploading these, im new to wow and am so confused by all the other videos from other people, but can understand yours completely And the fact that you cover everything and update your videos is amazing!!

I've been waiting for this one for years, Nobbel. Thank you

I just finished watching your Sylvanas Windrunner lore from 9 years ago, and I'm so thankful you took the time to compile her lore till now. Excellent videos.

@joe77andino

4 ай бұрын

She WoW official *Mary Sue* .. she up there with "Harley Quinn, Marvel's Captain Marvel and Rey" from Star Wars ..

My favorite character aside from Arthas. While Shadowlands really fumbled her character (especially in game) I think she is left at a very reasonable place between the epilog quests and her book. Honestly, with The Jailers entire arc it wrote her arc into a corner. I hope if/when they bring her back (expecting when we have to try to talk Alleria off the edge) it's with respect and a purpose.

Finally an update about our cornerstone character of whole Warcraft

Such an amazing story, thanks for putting it all together.

Thank you Nobbel! I had really lost track of my favourite character's story after the Mak'gora, and I had heard such bad things about her story in Shadowlands that I just avoided it. This compilation really helped, especially the Shadowlands story arch, I just skipped that entire expack as I couldn't relate, didn't feel like warcraft.

@Nishinga.

11 күн бұрын

very well said !

Thank you so much for your awesome narration and this diligent compilation! 🙏 People have good criticisms for the story but.. some places.. well, I had a few weeps watching.. You got me.

I heard she still stalks the maw with a tire track on her face. As the writers threw her under the bus!

Glad you're keeping to updating these :D Also love the new thumbnail :D

Watched your videos for years always nail the lore, keep it up !

honey wake up, almost 4 hour Sylvanas lore drop

Fantastic work friend

I love these videos I put them on at work like a audio book and learn soo much about WoW lore! Since BFA I’ve hated Sylvanas this video helped me understand why she is the way she is, honestly this video makes the expansion make more sence why she made such drastic decisions!! Anyways this video rocks thanks for the awesome content can’t wait for the full story of Illidan!!!

Amazing how such a great character could get ruined so quickly.

I have been listening to the book on audible over and over again, and just been waiting for this video to finally come 🤩 And I do recommend listening to the audio book, since it's narrated by the amazing Patty Mattson whom voices Sylvanas 🥰

3h42 ? Just finish to watch and I will press play again. There's no better company than Nobbel while questing in the game. Thanks to you for making videos with passion.

Was just gonna put together a playlist to sleep to, thanks nobbel

This is the movie they should have made. The story they should have told in the Warcraft movie.

I find it so sacrilegious that she gets to continue while Arthas Menethil gets no redemption, no continuation, nothing. He is just gone. So annoying. If she can return from the maw, then so should the true lich king. Smh so frustrating

@patrikzotaj4528

2 ай бұрын

no she will never return for now.

@patrikzotaj4528

2 ай бұрын

it was uther's fault that broke laws of the afterlife and throw arthas's soul into maw while devos did nothing wrong.

At this point your channel should really be called ''Loremaster Nobbel'' The amount of lore you've covered is astounding. And thats coming from a wiki nerd xD

Fantastic.

As I told you on twitch for many years, Sylvanas is bae

@Rpground

4 ай бұрын

You're right about that, especially by the end turning into complete "bae".

It's such a shame that things ended up like they did because this story didn't have to be bad. Listening it now it most certainly isn't. This could have worked if they actually bothered to represent this in game and with few changes like making situation of Nathanos much greater focus during 9.1. There is a version of Shadowlands where we had genuinely interesting villains that genuinely made us question which side we should be fighting for and supporting factions that equally are worth preserving after we've helped them to make some changes.

If anyone wants a shorter summary of Sylvanas' lore, here it is: "Cool character but then BFA and Reforged happened and I lost all interest/hope in Warcraft ever being worth paying attention to again."

It's crazy how accurate premonitions are when they're written after the events they're predicting.

Coming back to this I really like to think Sylvanas truly cares about Anduin, and I live for that.

In some wars you use spies to find out the defence abilities of the enemy. In the invasion of Quel'Thalas Sylvanas just tell her enemy, how to get through.

Sylvanas has always been one of my favourite characters, along with Tyrande. Seeing them face off was... something. I have a lot to say about the direction her character took over the years. A lot of negative things to say. Ways that the story was delivered, her decisions, the logic behind some of her actions. But her current position is admittedly decent. I hope she's brought back in Midnight - perfect for the reunion of the Elven tribes, while also not being too soon. I want her return to have purpose and impact. I want there to be a compelling reason. And I sincerely, dearly hope, that whatever direction she takes when she's returned, is that it is better written and better delivered than the one she took during bfa and shadowlands.

"you cannot kill the Lich King, not here, not until the Shadowlands trailer!"

I wonder if after the World Soul Saga, which will be around 10 years since Shadowlands. If that's long enough for the old Nostalgia effect to kick in for SL. If we will go back, only to find out The Primus was behind it all along & we helped give him the Crown of Wills made from those who defied Domination magic. A work around to retcon a lot of the bad from Shadowlands, trying to rewrite it into a better story, deliver what was promised in the first place & go with the theories/story that the community came up with from the story we got. That theorized "dropped story".

@wodmarach

4 ай бұрын

SL isn't bad but Covid REALLY hurt it. You can literally see where content was cut, especially in the final raid which is obviously 2 raids smashed together to let them move the team over to DF. I honestly feel WoD and SL "classic" versions should do "all the changes" as in have the team go back in and add the missing quests and raids.

the extra subtitles make this video that much better "PEW PEW PEW"

Sylvanas being better than Alleria at hunting and saving from lynx is my most hated "retcon" about Alleria's character.

will sylvanas' story finally come to an end.

Bolvar really need to learn from Godfrey that the best way to kill a zombie is literally a boomstick shot to the head

Love you

❤❤❤

Who did Jailer have whisper into Hammuul Runetotem's ear to tell him to convince Thrall to trust Sylvanas? 😆

Here we go.... Lol. Time for a wild ride!

the storyline about the legendary cloak of pandaria maybe ? :P

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

2:17:57 What about the short story Edge of Night???

I'm just waiting for Sylvanas to say "I'm out of rum and why is all the Rum gone" and then immediately turn to johnny depp and slap him

Actually explained it better than Blizzard. They need to hire you

I have the Sylvanas book. Will this spoil a lot?

@Nobbel87

4 ай бұрын

From sylvanas book? Bit bout early days/fam and allegiance with jailer. Id say if you worried for spoilers, finish book first 😁

@metalmilitia89

4 ай бұрын

@@Nobbel87 that’s what I plan on doing then.

The only thing I wish is there were captions. It’s a bit hard for me to understand sometimes bc hard of hearing

@Nobbel87

4 ай бұрын

Had to dig up some old harddrives to put the old scripts together BUT once youtube is done autotiming it, should have subtitles. Won't be perfect, but hopefully will help!

1:27:51... *"BURNING-MANNN!"* - Jeff Fischer -

i just realized they fucked up BIG TIME with a way to help anduin out with his plight. High Lord Tirion Fordring also had the same plight in his life, and this would have been the perfect opportunity to see Tirion not as a paladin of the light, but as a person whose faith was restored

Wow, I am early! Consider adding 'your videos' to a filter too king, you got some butt bots!

@Nobbel87

4 ай бұрын

Got m, thanks!

@Kain_Mercer

4 ай бұрын

@@Nobbel87 Anytime cobba, thanks for the lore!

Anyone NOT using subtitles is missing a lot of funny snark.

A guide on how to ruin one of the most iconic characters in your franchise.

@baileygregg6567

4 ай бұрын

We all saw is going down hill when Thrall went soft in cataclysm

@bmo14lax

4 ай бұрын

​@@baileygregg6567yes i would argue thrall literally was butchered, at least they took slyvanas to her end, even if we weren't the happiest with the story, im not mad at it. Im not the story writers, blizz is.

@baileygregg6567

4 ай бұрын

@@bmo14lax too bad sales and story are a bit far apart. Either way fond memories for me were my Dark Lady, Garrosh (when we needed that kind of orc), and Vol’jin💀 all thee make me glad to side Horde for what I think was close to 10 years.

Going off what Uther said I wonder what Arthas intended to do with Sylvanas.

Me being back to wow also means me being back to nobbel the noble❤

I hope Sylvanas resents Nathanos because he chose and wasn't forced to follow Sylvanas in her atrocities because his moral compass was so easily blinded.

Man, it is setup SO WELL to have 3 factions, Undead being separate from all... perhaps they do it in WoW 2 💀

"Questions left behind in the shadowlands"

Is sylvanas a hunter or what spec is she?

@Nobbel87

4 ай бұрын

Ranger, but for playable classes closer to a hunter aye

''watzegjevos'' geweldige naam XD

Greetings, dreadflords.

RIP to Garrosh's memorable line.. all because some terrible parenting letting a child play a T game and got upset when they encountered naughty words. *surprised pikachu meme*

@patrikzotaj4528

2 ай бұрын

and arthas.

looks like danuser is gone for now.

@patrikzotaj4528

2 ай бұрын

yes because danuser is a bad writer hack and hacker for now.

I still don't understand what the jailers plans were and why sylvanas changed her mind. It seems he did actually just want to remake the unfair rules??? That or he was trying to fight a bigger threat?? I'm not seeing the issue

shes such an amazing character, i just really wish they put more time into her story ! like most wow story writing is so shit, for example garrosh and thrall adn voljin and those others. i cant help it but think theyre lazy writers because shes a woman. blizzard is known for the sexism since ages ago and i really hope the new story of her shows her respect and makes her a good arc

Is there a timestamp that shows when any of alex asfrasiabi or steve danusers ideas begin? Id like to stop and imagine the story ended there

@Senovitj

3 ай бұрын

Why? What's your beef with those two? Alex did some work in Dire Maul, the Morladim quests and the playable Death Knights. Nobbel spent a long time making this, so the least you can do is look up those two's work.

Sad how they pushed my fav charachter ever since w3 out of the story

@thithihao5473

4 ай бұрын

Thats trashtalk

I would be Sylvanas thrall

This is Golden 👌 thank you @Nobbel87

I've enver heard the Sylvannas/Jailer thing before and WOW, is it ever forced. It's more forced than a 40 inch waist trying to squeeze into 6 inch pants.

didnt genn cause silvarnis to go with the jailers plan

Imagine... AnyaTaylorJoy as SYLVANAS.😍

SylvanasWindRunner *COULD* Save *BLIZZARD.* 🤔 (& I Have The "Idea")

Sylvanas’ lore has always been wobbly but something changed beyond cataclysm and she stopped caring about her people. She became consumed by the desire for vengeance and lost herself. They could have given her a cool exit when Tyrande had her by the throat but the story was written that Elune pulled the plug on the night warrior’s power. Sylvanas said she would never serve but she has, ever since she came into the game as the leader of the forsaken. She occasionally has flashes of realisation to when she is serving but the writing perpetuates that she conveniently forgets that and goes back to serving the next flavour of the month.

Call me crazy or whatever, but I would love to see a love arc sparkling between Sylvanas and Anduin somewhere in between their journey through the maw, leading to Sylvanas finishing her mission successfully and Anduin finding his purpose again . They both returning as couple to whatever world we find ourselves at currently hence uniting the horde and alliance once and for all into . Then the Forsaken now seeing their leader 'betraying' them, feeling again, falling in love, they turn against the united faction leading to WoW 2.0 with the factions being The United Faction vs The Forsaken.

I love you

Offcorese they had to distroy the strongest and the best mythical character ever created in this world bye saying that War is not War and for all people outher who don't have inteligents stop crying and understand that WAR WILL ALWAYS BE WAR and everything is PERMITTED! She Understands everything and because of that she's the best. As for those who think this will be her end realize that she chose Tyranda because she felt and being in her shoes on the moment she told Tyranda that even Her God Elune is betraying her when that stupid and illogical justice it's right her power's are gone from her and she's saved by Yesera the dragon. No matter what everyone says or her character will be distroid bye stupid kid's who remake her character out there in Blizzard I will always know and the people will know what is the real Sylvanas windruner the greatest character there is there was there will ever be to the end and forever in infinity.

My favorite War-chief 🦇🖤💀 Started Ali, turned Horde BC and went PvPer never looked back. Too bad after they took her “down” the game was not the same as Horde went l limp.

my man really game over himself because he doesnt want to be ruled by a furry

Arthas the one True King. giving everything, even his own souls to save his people. betrayed by his Family, his Friends and his developers.

but arthas is also a brainwashed mind controlled pawn.

@Shinekage

2 ай бұрын

Nono. You see Arthas is a white male. Thus evil since birth.

At long last, after all the horrible deeds she committed, Sylvanas Windrunner is facing her comeuppance. She’s finally being punished.

That Anduin is so emo. I wonder when Turalyon becomes the true leader of humans

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what happens if sylvanas' skul becomes corrupted by old gods void whispers and powers she will be a void banshee with with shadow void magic powers and dark void powers and energies of the void and old gods just like her older sister alleria if alleria will find out about her younger sister sylvanas has become a void banshee corrupted by old gods.

very painful shameful and disappointment for arthas.

baby arthas got hamburgers for feet lmoa , wow and its meh graphics strikes again .

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Sylvanas should have stayed dead after the fall of the Lich King.

@baileygregg6567

4 ай бұрын

Too bad for you👻

@TheLeadhound

4 ай бұрын

@@baileygregg6567 Too bad for Warcraft's story. :(

@PhantomSpaceman.

3 ай бұрын

All of the Forsaken is an abomination and a plight to the living. Orcs don't even deserve to be on Azeroth too.

@baileygregg6567

3 ай бұрын

@@PhantomSpaceman. like the living are such saints that they made them and others🤪 orcs I can’t say much but unless you have a pox that won’t destroy everything with them your out of luuuuuck. They are too good at killing what they want to…💀

@patrikzotaj4528

2 ай бұрын

yeah if she is judged by the arbiter.

This guy eats up whatever garbage Blizzard shits out. Being Nobbel is suffering.

Nobbel, I'm really curious and enthusiastic about your videos but unfortunately the way you speak, the imitations and how fast the pace of it, makes it unbearable to watch. I wish you could speak in a more understandable pace and a less disturbing accent. pushing the R's like that and stretching words... it's quite obvious that you put so much labor to your videos and I want to watch them all but I always end up closing it after 3 minutes max.

@BlinkyB23

4 ай бұрын

I think it is literally just his voice, tho older videos were "worse" (which may not be the best word to use, and I don't want to knock a person for their actual voice and something they have no control over). But yeah, I have the same issue. I love the videos and content but have quite a hard time actually following what's being said :( It's not so much the Rs, it's the pace and how the words alternate between fast/slow in sudden ways (imo), like the words are jerking you around.

@VictusPrime

3 ай бұрын

@@BlinkyB23No he's very much intentionally putting on the voice he uses for these videos. No one unironically talks like this, even people with heavy accents speaking english.

Worst character ever

@Alas10295

Ай бұрын

True

Rolling your R’s like that is crazy 😂