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@johnstirling6597

2 жыл бұрын

Captain Smith played a game of cricket in New Zealand while in port in 1898.

@shaynewheeler9249

Жыл бұрын

Titanic grand staircase Gold leaf

Captain Smith Was a hero and did go down with Titanic R.I.P

I love anything Titanic related...... Captain Smith was a hero. RIP to him and all those lost as she went down.

He was the hero, he stood firmed and accepted the mistake he had not made on his face and sank with the maiden voyage. Cowards could flee at the first sight. He was brave and i admire him alot, i will follow on his footsteps if i can. I don't know I'm that courageous but I'll try. Salute. RIP Capt Edward J Smith 🥺🙏 Note* : i cant hear anything wrong about my idol. Mind it.

A few points regarding Captain Smith. 1. The incident with HMS Hawke was investigated by a Royal Navy tribunal so the likelihood that a "mere" civilian ship and captain not being found at fault over Naval personnel was quite unlikely regardless of the actual events. 2. The rumors he was pressured from above were completely false, it was standard practice at the time for a large ship to maintain speed through an ice field. 3. The Titanic wasn't attempting to break the Blue Riband, Smith knew there was no way the Titanic was fast enough to even match her Cunard rivals for speed, she was built primarily for luxury and carrying capacity. She didn't even have all boilers in operation during that voyage. 4. From all accounts Smith was a competent commander and an experienced seaman.

@harrietharlow9929

2 жыл бұрын

He really was one of the best. And spot-on with all of your points. It sounds foolhardy for a ship to msintain in an icefield, but that indeed was the practice of the time. As for Ismay I think I'll scream if I hear or read one more time that Ismay bullied Smith into running the Titanic at an unsafe speed. Firstly, nothing I've read or heard indicates that Capt. Smith was the sort who could easily bullied and Ismay knew and understood that while a ship is underway, the captain is completely in charge. Ismay despite being managing director of the White Star Line was just a passenger. And yes, the Olympic-Hawke imbroglio investigation was no real surprise, The Navy takes care to take care of its own.

@shaunmcclory8117

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929 sorry if this causes you to scream but i have just watched a very good documentary all about Capt.EJSmith, it went into some detail with an eyewitness account from a lady passenger who was sitting close to Ismay and Smith and heard Ismay talking about how they had done better today than yesterday and will do even better tomorrow, we will definetly beat the Olympic. According to this lady Capt.Smith said nothing in reply, im not saying they were going for any records, blue ribband or otherwise but its not hard to imagine Ismay being concerned with getting into New York ahead of schedule esp because sea conditions had been very conducive to a quick crossing

@harrietharlow9929

2 жыл бұрын

@@shaunmcclory8117 What was he supposed to say? Ismay was well aware that when a ship is underway, the captain is in total control of the vessel. And he was well aware of the need to economise on coal which running her all out would not have accomplished. The fact is that some extra boilers had been lit for a brief speed trial scheduled for Monday, April 15. And the main source for that testimony is Elizabeth Lines. Thus is hearsay.

@shaunmcclory8117

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929 i would expect him to have maybe at least said something along the lines of "we'll have to see what conditions are like,it may not be safe to steam at such speed if all these ice warnings are anything to go by"..yes he is the ships master but Ismay owns the freaking ship and wheather we like it or not he would have had a considerable influence over Smith at all times on land and likely more than anyone else and more than he should on board his shiny new ship. I just think it was another if only a minor piece of the story and another of many fateful events which led to the sinking

@shaunmcclory8117

2 жыл бұрын

@@harrietharlow9929 also saying Ismay was ''just another passenger' is well verging on absurd

Caption Smith was a real hero all of time rest in peace to him

Weird to think that if Smith and Olympic had avoided that collision, Titanic would have launched and had her maiden voyage earlier and would have missed that iceberg completely. :O

@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY

8 ай бұрын

And Herbert Haddock would’ve remained captain of the Titanic rather than switching places with Edward Smith.

In a German documentary from 10 years ago, an expert said Smith had been too old and had "gotten away with" nearly wrecking two other ships before he was to command the Titanic. He seems to have been a grumpy and critical researcher. But now it seems the consensus seems somewhat more positive. I feel he was a good, if flawed, man who cared for his passengers and crew.

@TheTrueAdept

2 жыл бұрын

The thing was, he probably got overloaded on his last voyage. It was around this time that Cunard would start having XOs on their ships, and the Titanic was no different. In addition, he had a horrible picture of the situation and despite that he took steps on ensuring that Titanic would avoid ice. He 'turned the corner' further south than usual, for example.

@Benji-jj2bg

Жыл бұрын

@@TheTrueAdept alot of people like to disregard the cold water mirage thing as well. It is recorded that both smith and lightholler were talking about how they could see for miles on that night and thats why he didnt order the ship to be slowed. Both him and lightholler were good people, lightholler went on to be a war hero in ww2 risking his life as a civilian ship owner to save soldiers from dunkirk . If they said they could see for miles, then it was definetely a cold water mirage.

@TheTrueAdept

Жыл бұрын

@@Benji-jj2bg yeah, the cold air mirage was relatively unknown at the time, and has caused numerous incidents before people were trained in recognizing it and the advent of civilian ship radars made it harder for the phenomena to cause problems.

Another fascinating story, which is the first I've seen devoted specifically on Capt Smith, so thanks for your time researching and putting this detailed video together. One fact I recently learned elsewhere, was the horrific greed of the White Star line board of directors interviewing the Titanic's surviving crew members. They fired all of them, stopping their pay from the minute Titanic sank. No thanks, praise or gratitude, no interest in their individual experiences.

@TheNorthernHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@ChairmanPaulieD

Жыл бұрын

It does saddens my heart that the surviving crew lost their employment with the WSL after experiencing so much trauma and tragic death situations on the North Atlantic Ocean 🌊 freezing cold in that water was inevitably “UNEXCEPTIONABLE” and the management of the WSL should have put MORE lifeboats IF NOT floating rafts or floating devices. I read a article that when the R.M.S. Titanic reached New York she was supposed to get floating devices that could ferry about 200 - 300 per device. That’s why NOW in today’s lifeboat capacity they can hold about 250+ per lifeboat and they have plenty onboard each cruise ship and Lifeboat drills are required

@RoaringBas

Жыл бұрын

@@ChairmanPaulieD The Titanic was not an exception. She carried more lifeboats than required by law and even more than were planned in the original design from 1908. Mauritania and Lusitania carried less. They were first after the disaster partially upgraded with a few boats under the davits and for the rest collapsible boats. Further does a passenger vessel nowadays carry lifesaving equipment for 100% of the complement (50% on each side). This is half of the capacity of a normal merchant vessel which carries 100% on each side. 50% means that passenger vessels still do not have enough lifeboats when a stricken vessel develops a large enough list which prevents the boats being lowered on the high side (Costa Concordia).

@ChairmanPaulieD

Жыл бұрын

@@RoaringBas I understand what you’re saying about the lifeboats that in an emergency 🆘 that they we’re meant to only ferry passengers to another vessel 🚢 but the “Women & Children” policy was not executed clearly or just not in enough time since there was no lifeboat drill on April 14. That disastrous experience taught the ocean liner companies a HUGE LESSON learned that any vessel for this amount of passengers would have this many lifeboats onboard regardless of gross tonnage weight. The concept changed the way ocean liner companies operated their vessels forever.

He was a noble captain...

Your videos covering the lesser known history are fantastic.

@TheNorthernHistorian

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Captain Smith’s full quote from The World’s Work in 1909: "I will not assert that she is unsinkable, but I can say confidently that, whatever the accident, this vessel would not go down before time had been given to save the life of every person on board. I will go a bit further. I will say that I cannot imagine any condition that would cause the Adriatic to founder. I cannot conceive of any fatal disaster happening to this ship. Modern shipbuilding has reduced that danger to a minimum"

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Fascinating sir. Keep producing!

Just a quick note: White Star was well aware that their ships could not compete with Cunard when it came to speed. White Star instead concentrated on size, comfort and luxury. And the Titanic was not trying for either a speed record or for the Blue Riband.

Well done - thank you for this interesting piece of history!

@TheNorthernHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Another great video, well done 👍.

@TheNorthernHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great video!

@TheNorthernHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

THE CAPTAIN IS ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE...HES THE CAPTAIN...PERIOD...😎...

Great vid!

@TheNorthernHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

An outstanding outline of an enormous tragedy loaded with a cargo of both micro and macro info. Thank you from Ireland, the Liner's place of creation and final port. Go raibh maith agat ó Éire.

@TheNorthernHistorian

Жыл бұрын

Tá fáilte mhór romhat

@Martin-sp4zf

Жыл бұрын

🙏

He was wrongly blamed for the iceberg collision. Philipps, the radio operator, received a message about large icebergs but put it to one side…and forgot about it. According to surviving Officer Lightoller in a radio interview, any captain reading that message would have slowed dramatically or even stopped engines. So very, very sad…those who perished 😔

@hmth86

2 жыл бұрын

But the captain and other officers had received other warnings about icebergs, they were aware! The Captain apparently veered more southernly to try and avoid the ice, but took no other precautions. It wasn’t the Marconian operators job to interpret the importance of the iceberg warnings, he like though the Captain and officers were handling the situation as they had been previously handed iceberg warnings.

@GuyLegge

2 жыл бұрын

@@hmth86 Whatever transport we are using we need to look where we are going. Furthermore it was Smith's job to make sure the bridge saw any messages.

@TheTrueAdept

2 жыл бұрын

@@GuyLegge at the time? No. The thing was that the radio operators weren't under the command of the shipping company but the _radio_ company. In addition, he had read the messages he got and took precautions based on the picture he had. One of which is 'turning the corner' further south than usual.

@runawaysmudger7181

Жыл бұрын

No one was really to blame. It was an accident. You have to remember Harold Bride and Jack Phillips were both buried under tons of work and sleep deprived at that point from trying to fix the broken Marconi machine the previous night and Titanic had already received a handful of ice warnings throughout the voyage it’d probably appear redundant to them

@RoaringBas

Жыл бұрын

@@GuyLegge Actually, the message everybody is talking about didn't contain the prefix "MSG" which stands for Master's Service Gram. Because of that the message became nothing more than a friendly reminder between the radio operators. Further did the message change nothing. The officers were very well aware of the ice. The course was changed more southerly and lookouts were posted.

Captain Smith is such an inspiration to me. He is like my long lost grandfather. After hearing endless accounts of his character, whats not to love? He is a true hero. ♥️ i keep him in a little photo album with a small cut out of his story. RIP Captain Smith. 🕊️♥️

great vid

An extraordinary sighting was of Captain Smith clutching an infant tightly trying to keep it warm and swimming to a lifeboat, handing it off he swam back to the Titanic saying, "I'll follow the ship." Edward was always seen to be such a bad captain-in which, yeah. But he still accepted his faith and bravely gave orders.

@JJ4848

Жыл бұрын

Why was he a bad captain? He never had an accident until 1911. Many people say it was the Hawkes fault, of course the Navy found themselves not at fault. And he was asleep when the Titanic struck the iceberg.

@gracealexandre3381

Жыл бұрын

​@@JJ4848If he was such a bad captain, he wouldn't have gone down with The Titanic ship. RIP Captain Edward Smith.

@JJ4848

Жыл бұрын

@@gracealexandre3381 agreed. I’m not saying he was I was asking the original commenter why.

The docks in Belfast were something else back in the day. Only really thing that really remains now at *_Harland & Wolff_* are the two massive cranes; _Samson_ and _Goliath._

“Be British.” Another famous (alleged) utterance by Captain Smith.

With a heavy coat and the freezing water he would not have lasted more than a few minutes. That is why the film 'A Night to Remember' (after the book by Walter Lord) made no sense when people like Kenneth More (portraying First Officer Lightoller) were swimming about giving orders and encouragement for much of the night (filmed in Ruislip Lido) quite normally.

What was the music you used starting at 13:55 onwards?

@TheNorthernHistorian

Жыл бұрын

I use music from Epidemic Sound which is a subscription service for creators. Helps avoid music copyright issues. The piece you're referring to is 'Race Against Time' by Hampus Naeselius

I live in Stoke near Hanley . You can’t get much further from the sea

It is a tradition of long standing that the captain is responsible for everything that happens... BUT..suggesting the incompetence of a tug boat skipper..OR the loss of a blade from a ships propellor were in fact demonstrably Smiths fault...well.... thats going a bit far...

@jaredpatterson1701

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder how they lost the propeller

The titanic brewery in burslem has beers inspired by smith and white star line

Love me some narrowboats!

0:32 Those Third Class passengers were better dressed than the wealthiest people today.

There’s something new even the highest ranking officers on board the Titanic would’ve only been second class passengers on board Olympic, and the same with Olympics highest officers on boarded Titanic as passengers. This tells you about the severe classism that existed on board these ocean liners, you needed old money to be in first class either that or you had to be a boatman/professional gambler or con-artist, either that or just get real lucky, “but the chances appear luck was really rare.” And professional gambler/con-artist was the only way third class passenger could ever make it into first class really, why because they learned how to scam people, and that trade could’ve usually been picked up on in bar rooms at the dock where groups of Boatman/professional gamblers would look for people who didn’t even have money to pay for even a third class ticket to pick them up as a prospect for their professional gambling group to go on board the ship and make thousands off the first class passengers. It was the only way for the poor to actually make money and at least have a passage that is manageable.

Hearing what happened between the Olympic and the Hawk might explain why people thought it was the Olympic that sank on April 14th,1912 as while she was being repaired with a damaged propeller shaft that was ment for the Titanic and the fact that Captain Smith was in command during that incident and the same with the propeller blade.

@JJ4848

Жыл бұрын

Except nobody realizes the fact that the Olympic was back in service before the titanic‘s maiden voyage. The titanic‘s maiden voyage was pushed back because parts were used to get the Olympic back into service. The Olympic had already been in service for a year you don’t think any of the surviving passengers would have noted that the ship was clearly used. You can clean it as much as you want but you can tell the difference between a brand new ship and one that has been in service

@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY

8 ай бұрын

@@JJ4848 I definitely realized that and the fact that the Olympic was always in such a rush to get back into service after each repair she had following her collision with the HMS Hawke that there’s no way she could’ve had done what she would’ve needed to have done in order to be well disguised as the Titanic. Herbert Haddock who was captain of the Titanic during her delivery trip prior to her ill-fated maiden voyage even noted the differences he noticed between those two ships when he became captain of the Olympic since the Titanic’s maiden voyage was delayed and that the damage she received from her collision with the HMS Hawke wasn’t 100% repaired which made it more difficult for the Olympic to dash to the Titanic’s rescue.

As a bloke from Stoke, I can tell you don’t let a bloke from Stoke captain a ship.

@edwardsmith1768

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Wasn't there a report by a survivor (I cannot remember his name) who saw Smith and Thomas Andrews jumping or stepping off the bridge into the water a few feet below? This would suggest that Smith swam around amid the mayhem forward of the bridge and that the accounts of him doing so could be accurate.

Which Ship did Captain Smith command in 1908?

A lot of it was actually in the construction rather than human error. It should've been strong enough, it's not really his fault.

So, when the words on the plaque of the statue say, "Be Brittish", is it supposed to be an order, like, "be honest", or something? I'm not sure that everyone is capable of just, "being Brittish". I would like to, "be a super hero", but I don't think it's that easy, lol.

The 'Largest ship in the world'? the only main difference between the two Liner's was in weight, 1000 tons more for Titanic. But as for 'size' no difference really..

@NashmanNash

2 жыл бұрын

Not even so much weight...Just enclosed space

Was Smith just a little too old for command after 1910 or so? Today's 70 was yesterday's 60 I some ways. His vast experience was a benefit, but was it possible his age was working against him? Still, I don't fault him too much for the Titanic disaster. Many coincidences converged to create that mess!!

Wrong man in wrong place. Any other Master Mariner would have managed the task and brought the ship to her destination.

I am planning to write my own Titanic Story about these two ten year old cousins who sailed on the Titanic and Survived the nightmare of the shipwreck with their own courage and witts and their broken friendship but with great cost obviously meaning their families from their parents and older siblings did not survive and the sinking of the Titanic brings the two cousins relationship more closer to each other and helps them reconcile and everyone who sailed and died on the Titanic Survived the sinking of the Titanic plays a part in the cousins story from Captain Smith Bruce Ismay Thomas Andrews Benjamin Gutinhiem and his Italian butler and his mistress and John Jacob Aster and Maddlin Aster Mr and Miss Strous and Wallace Hartley and the rest of the band and and Molly Brown Lawrence Bessley and even the Alison's family and the wireless officers from Jack Phillips and Wallace Hartley and even Officer Moody and Wild and Murdoch and Lightoller to.

White star line did not have a commodore.

@dovetonsturdee7033

Жыл бұрын

Would you care to comment on this :- from the New York Times dated June 6 of 1911. CHANGE IN COMMODORES --- Capt. Haddock to Head White Star Line at Increased Pay --- Capt. E. J. Smith, R. N. R., the Commodore of the White Star Line, who is to command the new mammoth liner Olympic, will retire at the end of the present year, it is understood, as he will have reached the age limit. He will be relieved by Capt. H. J. Haddock of the Oceanic, a naval reserve commander, the only skipper in the Atlantic trade who wears the mid-Victorian mutton chop whiskers without a beard or mustache. The second big liner, the Titanic, which is to enter the New York-Southampton service toward the end of the year, will be commanded, it is said, either by Capt. B. H. Hayes of the Adriatic or Capt. Henry Smith. To mark the advent of the Olympic into the service the pay of the Commodore of the White Star Line has been increased from $5,000 to $6,000 a year, which will be the highest pay in the Atlantic trade. The salary of the Captain of the Titanic will be $5,000 unless he should happen to be the Commodore of the fleet.

OLYMPIC

helo

Shouldn't it be (millionaires' )?

@TheNorthernHistorian

3 жыл бұрын

oops well spotted! I'm normally quite fussy about that. Cheers, I'll fix it.

RMS PooPiBUM

Why didn't Titanic fire torpedos at the iceberg?

@theequalizer694

3 жыл бұрын

Because the titanic isn’t a war vessel

@Deevo037

3 жыл бұрын

@@theequalizer694 Not quite true, like many British liners of the time she was built using government support on the proviso that in times of conflict she could be requisitioned for use as a troopship, a hospital ship like Britannic or an auxiliary cruiser. Still the idea that she'd be armed in peacetime was ridiculous.

@trooperdgb9722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deevo037 And the only armament she was "fitted for but not with" were deck mounted single guns.... certainly not torpedoes..which in any case would have zero effect on an iceberg...lol The funny part of that subsidy for "Auxiliary Cruisers" was that when war broke out and a number of large liners were in fact called up... it was quickly discovered that they were FAR too expensive to operate...and the whole idea was fairly rapidly shelved. As one commentator put it.. "there wasn't a scrap of coal left in the Admiralty bunkers"....

@Deevo037

3 жыл бұрын

@@trooperdgb9722 Yes, remember the HMS Rawlpindi.

@trooperdgb9722

3 жыл бұрын

@@Deevo037 Smaller, less "hungry" merchant ships certainly served as Aux cruisers...it was the very large liners that proved unsuitable... I think the admiralty was keen on their speed...without realising the vast amount of "best welsh anthracite" it took to achieve that! lol

Seems to me Smith was far too keen to take ships too close to others

@johnjephcote7636

3 жыл бұрын

The theory that the ship was in fact the hull-twisteded Olympic suggests that Capt. Smith was 'in' on the insurance 'fiddle' because his reputation for accidents left him no choice in the management's eyes.

@gowdsake7103

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnjephcote7636 Not a theory mere speculation with little supporting evidence

@Deevo037

3 жыл бұрын

@@gowdsake7103 Total speculation and a rather ridiculous conspiracy theory.

@MrDaiseymay

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnjephcote7636 I've read this. And also fits the reason for him coming out of retirement, for the ''Titanic''. job. Pressure from high above. I've seen his statue in Lichfield. It's interesting that his home town, having rejected his statue in 1912, Now approached Lichfield , for it back, which was refused. No doubt, the massive success of the 1998 film, drew many tourists.

@martentrudeau6948

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnjephcote7636 ~ Conspiracy theory that Jesuit trained Captain Smith was ordered to sink the Olympic with its twisted keel, that was disguised as the Titanic as an insurance fraud scheme. And also at the same time eliminate the super rich John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim and Isidor Straus, all of them opposed the establishment of the Federal Reserve Banking system. The Titanic sank April 15, 1912, the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913, and Federal income tax is collected on April 15 every year commemorating the sinking of the Titanic.

Arrogance & pride will sink you to the bottom, quicker than a torpedo!

Ismay was urging captain Smith to go faster , and to arrive in New York early to increase the value of the White Star shares . One of the contributory factors of this disaster .

@dovetonsturdee7033

Жыл бұрын

Not actually true. Or, at least, there is no actual evidence to support this allegation.

@johnsmith-rs2vk

Жыл бұрын

@@dovetonsturdee7033 A Gentleman's agreement ?

@dovetonsturdee7033

Жыл бұрын

@@johnsmith-rs2vk What do you mean?

@johnfox9169

3 ай бұрын

That was never verified.

He wreaked the White Star Lines ship Olympic twice and he was part of the conspiracy to swap the names of the Olympic for the Titanic.

@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY

8 ай бұрын

He didn’t swap their names. He only switched places with Herbert Haddock who was captain of the Titanic during her delivery trip prior to her ill-fated maiden voyage.

@coollbreezz

8 ай бұрын

@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY I am 100% certain it was a swap. The Olympic sank and not the Titanic.

@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY

8 ай бұрын

@@coollbreezzYeah, right. They would’ve had to change a lot more than just their names to disguise themselves as each other and the Olympic actually still had incompletely repaired damage from her collision with the HMS Hawke during the Titanic disaster which caused her to really regain serious damage when she tried to dash to the Titanic’s rescue which Captain Haddock got unfairly blamed for.

@coollbreezz

8 ай бұрын

@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY The propeller was the Titanic. The Olympic propeller was damaged when the Olympic collided with HMS Hood. The fire in the Boiler room couldn't be distinous. The ship that sailed as the Titanic had the identical fire in the boiler room.

See I don't think Captain Smith was to blame for the sinking I believe there was cutting corners on the Titanic's construction and that the owners of the ship presured the crew to take the short route and knowing the that part of the ocean was an iceberg field I think they wanted the ship to sink for an insurance payout no matter. The cost of lives. Smith they'd honourable to and when down with the ship like those who give there lives and when down he was a hero.

Noah's Ark, was much bigger than the Titanic, it didn't cost anything, but only one man and his family put faith in God to save them, and the animals and yet they were indeed saved! Maybe if the Titanic was God orientated, it could of been saved?

@johnfox9169

3 ай бұрын

What a stupid comment

FYI the captain of the Titanic Edward ,J,Smith made 3.5 million dollars a year in todays dollars with a Stellar Career that included stinits in wars and commendations from military and merchant navys there is more to him than meets the eyes and the true story of the disaster is much more complex than 2 second soundbytes

He was still ALIVE after the desaster of Titanic!🤣🤣🤣