I love Aethas, he reminds me of my favorite lore character of all time, Kael'thas, and since KT got shafted with BC lore....

"nothing will stop the horde from attacking Teldrassil!" Sylvanas: are you CHALLENGING me?

This has nothing to do with Aethas but I'd like to point out how the Focusing Iris is literally the worst guarded relic in all of Azeroth, first the Horde steal it to make it into a mana bomb and now Xylem's made off with it under the Legion's command, sure he's defeated by the classes who take on that trial but regardless it was still stolen from under whoever's been watching over it twice now.

@reigneduardo6732

2 жыл бұрын

you all probably dont care at all but does any of you know of a method to log back into an instagram account? I somehow lost the login password. I love any help you can offer me.

@malcolmvivaan7841

2 жыл бұрын

@Reign Eduardo Instablaster =)

@reigneduardo6732

2 жыл бұрын

@Malcolm Vivaan thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Seems to take quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

@reigneduardo6732

2 жыл бұрын

@Malcolm Vivaan it worked and I finally got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thanks so much you really help me out !

@malcolmvivaan7841

2 жыл бұрын

@Reign Eduardo no problem :)

Another great video, keep'em coming. I'm learning alot & I'm liking the lore alot

Nice, the Blood Elves have Always felt like they weren't important in the game development if not for some characters. That's why I would also love to see the story of Lor'themar when you can.

thank you so much, i've been wanting to know his full detailed story for so long ^^

broke: Dalaran has been has had a bias against the Blood Elves since MoP woke: Dalaran has always had a bias against the Blood Elves

@nickkorkodylas5005

Жыл бұрын

Should I call a bondalarance?

Last time I was this early the orcs were still brown! You can take that any way you want

That moment when your just about to go to sleep and nobbel has uploaded

Yes! Finally a story on Aethas! :D

Ahh We need time travel! I don't want to wait another week to see part 2.

After all the discussions about Aethas as a mage follower, I had a feeling this topic would make an interesting lore video.

Sucks that Aethas was basically invented in Wrath to fill the void that the Wrath writers wanted to put Kael'thas in. The Sunwell story will always plague my lore loving heart.

@rdogg114

7 жыл бұрын

I wish they didn't do what they did to Kael theres not enough Quinton flynn in my life.

So why don't people like Aethas? He seems pretty chill.

Ugh, as a loyal member of the Horde, I cannot stand Garrosh.

Thank you, Nobbel. This was a very good and objective telling of events as they really happened, not as many like to pretend they happened. And you also helped to illustrate for me why the Kirin Tor felt it okay to help Theramore. Up to this point, I had considered the Kirin Tor huge hypocrites (I still do, for many other reasons), but this helped to alleviate it somewhat. I look forward to part two, and hope you can remain objective as we wade into the stuff that ruffles a lot more feathers. I also hope you can properly convey just how much Aethas loves the Kirin Tor, and not just say he betrayed them, because it's so much more complicated than just that. Great video, as always, and I can't wait to see more :)

@stormstrider1990

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. This may be a bit off the topic, but remember our last conversation when I said Garithos is hardly mentioned in the game at all? I just remembered that the Fury of the Sunwell trailer shows Kael'thas entering Outland through the Dark Portal, which doesn't even make any sense because the Dark Portal was closed at the time. That means two things: Either Blizzard got lazy like with the other plot holes of the Burning Crusade, or they just swept Garithos under the rug in order to make the Kirin Tor more appealing like you said. I'm surprised the didn't retcon Garithos completely.

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

That was likely just symbolic of their exodus to Outland. Garithos is still very much canon.

@stormstrider1990

7 жыл бұрын

I know Garithos is still canon. He is mentioned in the Felo'melorn artifact knowledge. It is also hinted Chillwind Camp in the Western Plaguelands was founded by deserters of Garithos' army. It has also been speculated some of his men joined the Scarlet Crusade. As for the trailer, now when you say it, it could have been mere symbolism, something you don't see in WoW cinematics that often.

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

Yup. The Cata Zandalari patch had like a burst of fire from the bonfire come up and make Hakkar roaring or something, and that was probably more just foreshadowing than him actually appearing.

@stormstrider1990

7 жыл бұрын

True. Hakkar's physical form was destroyed at that point and his spirit was enslaved by Jin'do. The Zandalari and possibly Hakkar may return in the South Seas expansion, which will hopefully be the next one. Azhara and N'zoth will be the main villains, but the Zandalari would make a cool patch. The Dark Prophet Zul is still out there.

Awesome video! Can you please talk about the purge of Dalaran within the next part? I am really interested about that story line :)

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

He's already done the Purge of Dalaran videos. Not sure how objective he was in them because I haven't seen them in a long time, but they're there. Though he will probably mention it really quick in the next part, since it has so much to do with Aethas.

I am very fond of the blood elves and elves in general. It is nice to know about more elf characters. Aethas Sunreaver is new to me. He looks a lot like the first blood elf character I played. That was a long time ago back in BC. I am horrified of the bombing of Theramore. It is disturbing that the blood elves played a part. It is not too surprizing since they are in the Horde. It is still shocking. Jaina has every right to be angry even to the point of being violent. One thing that I am very much in favor is a second strike policy. If Jaina attacks the Horde, the Horde had it coming. I think sending a tidal wave to Ogrimmar is pretty reasonable. Things are better if one balances between war and peace. There is a protection state. One wouldn't normally fight others. However war is good if it is done as a last resort. It can be done if all efforts of diplomacy failed. It can also be done by fighting back an invasion or attack. Either scenario works. The fighting back part is where a second strike policy comes in.

awesome

This videos got really interresting

Your Rhonin impression is very covincing XD

god i love your rommath voice

"Why do you hate the Horde so much dude?" Because they fucking breathe

I've always enjoyed your Lore videos for the Warcraft universe, and I'm looking forward to part 2! It was your videos that prompted me to start reading the Christie Golden novels, which are fantastic. Question though... how in the heck did you manage to run the Bombing of Theramore scenario again at 110? I thought it was only available at Level 85, or gone completely at this point?

I knew his name was familiar and that's because I met him before...great vid...

you should do the new stuff to Sylvanas storyline seeing how things has added since you did it last

I would like to see a video on Illysana Ravencrest. There is an achievement in Black Rook Hold for reading her journal entries. A lot of times, the group you are in is rushing the instance and will boot you if you are idle more than a few minutes, so you won't have time to really read them. But if you do read them, they are really interesting. When you first see her, she's a Demon Hunter in an old castle full of ghosts and the legion. Did the ghosts recruit her? Does she know they are ghosts? Is she aware that the burning legion is all around her? I am sure her story is very, very sad. But also very intriguing.

is the questline still available I never did it in MoP I got caught up doing only pvp

You will do an update on jaina proudmoure lore ?

What is this gameplay that he his doing in Theramore?

Hey nobbel i don't know if you said before but what is your favourite class and lore character

Am I the only one who have noticed that the blue dragonflight keeps on losing the focusing iris? it gets stolen in every expansion after Wrath!

I still wonder if that glitched bit where aethas shows up after we get the bell is canon? Since its still not been fixed

How can i do Theramore senario in my max lelv character pls ???

@camermike1987

7 жыл бұрын

Tomguls Hlado the lorewalkers in pandaland. i had to do this myself 3 months ago because i didnt play mist.

So _that's_ what happened to Rhonin! I was wondering what happened to him between Wrath and Legion that made him not be in Legion Dalaran. Guess I forgot about the bombing.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NOBBEL!!!

Calling Jaina 'wench' is definitely going to get deleted and re-recorded without that word too.

Hey Nobbel, just a quick trivial question. During the prelude novel for Cataclysm, Drek'thar got many visions and one of them was about some dude breaking into his home and murdering him or something. Has this happened yet at some point or did you think Blizzard forgot about it/threw the idea away?

I hope Blizzard save Jaina T_T she is my fav character after all the things she did...would be awful to se her as a villain

i hope we'll see jaina on patch 7.3.

Anyone can give me some guidance? I'm downloading the free trial of wow now and I would like to know a few things. 1)is this game pay-to-win or are the best stuff only available with real cash? 2) what is the most requested classes in the game now for pve dungeons and stuff? 3) I usually main healers than dps, what would your recommend? 4)do i have to pay real money to get mounts and to fly? 4)

@busterbackster1

7 жыл бұрын

Marquez Jean-Baptiste it's not pay to win at all since fans would be up in arms over that considering you already pay 15$ a month for it also you could technically buy stuff with money by first buying the gold for real money then getting the stuff but it's not hard to make gold it's stupidly easy there are people who haven't payed for wow since the tokens came out, also healers are always needed but don't care about what's needed right now that's always changing just find a class that's fun for you Edit: most of the best stuff in the game you have to raid for if it's current you can't buy your way to the top in this game and you can get flying and mounts with in game gold out of the hundreds of mounts you can get only like 5 or something you can only get with real money(may be able to get it in game idk) you really only need 1 flying mount the rest are just nice to have if you collect them

@Reedz22

7 жыл бұрын

I just got to lvl 21 with Restro Druid and got my 1st mount. when will i get flying mount?

I got a question Nobbel. Now that Anduin is not only the king of Stormwind but also the last of his line, do you think he will find a queen/wife in the near future? The kings of Stormwind isn't exactly known for dying of old age and If the royal line of Stormwind is lost it would be devastating on the morale of the alliance. I know we see Anduin as an old man in the end of the legion comic, but I suspect that is the result of magic similar to that which Medivh cast on Khadgar. The reason for this is because Anduin has been aging in real time since vanilla and I doubt blizzard is gonna wait 40 years before we get to Argus :P Who do you think could possibly be the next queen of Stormwind from the current set of characters in the lore? I suspect either Tess Greymane or Calia Menethil since they both are from royal families and both where recently reintroduced into the game in legion. Though Calia is a fair bit older than Anduin though (Anduin is in his early 20's while Calia is in her late 30's). But if blizzard REALLY wanted to push it I think Yrel actually might be a good match for him. Since out of all the female characters in wow she is the one with most things in common with him that I can think of.

nobbel was getting heat in those comments. Good of him to tell sunreavers side.

What was that quest or what were u doing when u were fighting rhoin kalagos and jaina as a dk?

@LandandSea

7 жыл бұрын

It's the horde version of the Theramore's Fall Scenario

@annaofpie736

7 жыл бұрын

Wait i thoguht you didnt try fighting them though so whats up with nobble fighting those 3 guys?

@LandandSea

7 жыл бұрын

you can go into the tower in the middle and attack them since they have health bars like a regular enemy. You don't *need* fight them since it's not part of the scenario, you just can if you wish to. (let me know if that didn't make sense. Currently have a headache that's making it hard to think straight.)

@annaofpie736

7 жыл бұрын

Wow yeah it does atless to me because what i got was "only the crazy people tried to fight them as it wasnt in the achutaul scenario"

Please Nobble, Story of the Burning Blade Clan

Have you ever thought of doing other games bc I still have no idea on the history of StarCraft

Imagine if Jaina became a follower

@RhadaGhast100

7 жыл бұрын

I would hope not, I hated Jaina ever since she allowed the Horde to kill her Father, now shes just a child with a thumb up her mouth.

all im gonna say is i main an arcane mage and i have a huge lady boner for the kirin tor and the alliance.....but i love aethas man i feel for him i did the bell scenario and i don't care what anyone says jainas reaction was no where near appropriate or justified i don't blame aethas garrosh was a horrifying force and someone he knew could care less about the blood elves why the hell would he wanna piss him off jaina has in the past shown to be compassionate and reasonable if i had to choose between pissing off jaina or garrosh hell yeah i would steal that bell idk i feel like he gets way more hate then he deserves im happy he was forgiven and got accepted back into the kirin tor in legion

Notification squad :3

Thank you for pronouncing Archmage the way you do, and not "ark-mage"

I ship Aethas and Modera so hard >. But I never heard that Modera was a bad character for belfs or Horde, I thought that she always was like pre-porndarian style Jaina or something like this

Khadgar > Jaina ....tides of war and beyond the dark portal novels...he even managed to escape deathwing with a simple spell

Hope Jaina will die with honour, sacrifice themselves (for Orcs, Thrall or something like that) in Argus to be remembered forever as the greatest mage of Azeroth.

Nobbel ik heb morgen wiskunde examen, WAAROM UPLOAD JE NU NU MOET IK NOG LANGER WAKKER BLIJVEN

To all who start to debate here, I only ask that you please don't bias for your faction in the arguments, that you keep the hate away, and view the lore in a neutral eye. You must consider all the facts before saying anything. And I mean FACTS not just opinion. For example, Garrosh bombing Theramore is FACT nobody can say it was otherwise, while for example again, saying that the Horde betrayed the Alliance during the Broken Shore is merely a matter of opinion, there was no true betrayal.

@malighos

7 жыл бұрын

Fact : Alliance Firebombed Camp Taurajo while it's defenders were out hunting, killing most civilians. The ones that chose to leave (cuz oh the mighty alliance are so benevolent) were sent into the new sprawled jungles caused by the cataclysm where most of them were killed.

@MrBern-ex3wq

7 жыл бұрын

+Teodor That's a fact indeed, just like what I said earlier.

@RhadaGhast100

7 жыл бұрын

Define Bias? Because I get into this a lot. I consider the FOrsaken to be evil for what they did to Gilneas is that bias for me to say that they are evil after what they did there? I would hope not? I for one think both factions have done wrong doings, I just so happen to think the Horde has done more wrong doings than the Alliance, since I count the Old Horde of the first and second war as still a Horde.

@podtherod9304

7 жыл бұрын

Boybandhair the old Horde should not count as Horde now. You can not say the Tauren, Trolls, Blood Elves, Goblins, Forsaken, and Pandaren of the Horde are evil because fel influenced orcs killed a bunch of humans. Alliance has also done some fucked up shit so I'd say they're even. Attempting to murder innocent Goblins while at sea for the sake of "no witnesses" was something I see as pretty evil. And the Theramore bombing was also evil, but so was the murdering of innocent Blood Elves by the Silver Covenant during the Purge of Dalaran. Both are even for fucked up shit they've done.

@RhadaGhast100

7 жыл бұрын

Well, given how I did say that the Alliance has done some evil shit I agree with you, I just think the Horde has done more, and you right I can't judge the new Horde, but I can judge the Orcs. The Orcs killed thousands of men, women and children in the first and second war, if the rpg was still canon they also raped a lot of women also (In the rpg it said that at the time of the Orc camps 3% of Hillsbrads entire pop was Half-Breed orcs that were Half-Human) Purge of Dalaran was pretty messed up, killing normal people who did nothing wrong, enslaving the natives on panda land was pretty wrong but the Horde did that and worse also, whole thing in the barrens, Stoike Clan invading Alterac from the Frostwolves even though they peaceful. But really Horde has done a lot of bad shit thats even worse, I'm talking new Horde here. Forsaken invading the Homeland of the Humans, arathi Highlands, while the League of Arathor is trying to take back their homeland, Forsaken invading Gilneas, killing, Military and normal men and women and maybe even children, stripping the Gilneans of their home because Garrosh told them too, enslaving the Gilneans for hard Labor in the mines. At least they look like captured slaves to me. Bombing of Theramore, capturing living mothers to kill each other for their kids, Warsong clan invading Ashenvale for Lumber, (Granted Night elves are kind of pricks) I can go on but really I think you get the idea, I don't think it's bias for me to think the Horde has done more wrong doings. Alliance have done them to but to me...not as much.

:)

oh no. not the purge of dalaran

I still don't get it. How strong willed are those high elves? I mean, they were kicked out because L'T couldn't lead a divided nation. But they had to turn to demons so they would not die. What about the high elves? What magic source did they find? Don't tell me so many of them survived to crowd an entire section of Dalaran just based on pure force of will and meditation. Hell, in the start of BC I read that even blood elves had to meditate so they would not turn to wretched, and they had sources for magic.

@DharkDemonBlade

7 жыл бұрын

They siphoned magic off of artifacts and found other ways to coup in Alliance cities. Later on when Kael was killed, Lorthemar offered to help/welcome back the high elves to Quel'Thalas, but they refused because the Blood Elves were now Horde. When the Sunwell was restored, High Elves were allowed to come drink from the new well.

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

The reason it was so detrimental to have their people divided was because they were trying to survive against the Scourge. Having a chunk of your people sitting around shivering on the ground due to mana withdrawals is not conducive to a productive society that can't afford to take the moral highground in the face of a zombie apocalypse. The blood elves in Quel'thalas siphoned mana from arcane mana worms and crystals and such that they found. Rommath and a few magisters were sent from Outland with M'uru, and some fel crystals which were used to power the city. This caused a radiation-like effect where the elves exposed to the fel got green eyes. But nobody in Quel'thalas, outside perhaps Rommath and a few magi, ever siphoned from demons. If they did siphon fel, it was from the crystals, and they didn't know it was fel. It says that most of the elves would have been horrified to learn the truth, and they were, when Kael'thas turned traitor to join the Legion. The only high elves to claim a high horse and act like siphoning mana at all is evil, are the Silver Covenant. They could easily afford to shiver on the ground and get over their addiction the "right" way. They were safe in Dalaran with humans and gnomes and dwarves unaffected by any addiction to protect them from the Scourge with their magic bubble shield. The elves who were banished to Quel'lithien had no qualms about siphoning mana, just not from living things (even vermin like mana worms that were created by the elves and were getting way overpopulated). They found artifacts, which turned out to be their doom when they were all cursed as Wretched by siphoning out of control.

@ninaloveray

7 жыл бұрын

DharkDemonBlade Not all the High Elves were allowed to use the Sunwell. Only Alleria's rangers from Outland were allowed because she was Lor'themor's friend but it's unknown if they are still allowed after what happened with the Purge of Dalaran.

@ninaloveray

7 жыл бұрын

CrackAlecIn And the Elves from Quel'danil Lodge never used any magical artifacts against their addiction. They just fought against it as much as they could.

@voiavictor

7 жыл бұрын

Stella Stars hard times for the elves. Funny, how a race I didn't care much in warcraft 3, apart the fact they joined Illidan wich was so cool, became my favorite one in wow. Whereas, ever since wow started, Night Elves felt so lame compared to war3 and I quickly grew dissapointed by them.

Shouldn’t Blood Elves be called Sun Elves? They have avenged their people and they have a Sunwell... eh?

EARLY

Aethas= kael'thas

Early

Hey Nobbel, I noticed something in the mage hall with the artifact displays. The display for the arcane Woolomancer isnt the Woolomancer weapon, but one themed as a Kirin Tor. Any Idea why? I didnt know who else to ask LOL

If you read slightly slower, you probably could pronounce the many words that get scrambled,

Garrosh was such a good villain.

@rdogg114

7 жыл бұрын

I can't agree with that when they had to do a near 180 on his character to make him a villian with no real reason why he acted this way.

@EJ_Red

7 жыл бұрын

Meh, his character was fucked during the transition from Cata to MoP, but he was a cool character overall

@podtherod9304

7 жыл бұрын

EJ Red he was pretty honorable but a hothead. Especially when he threw the Kor'kron General off the bridge for bombing an Alliance town. Pretty stupid that Blizz would have him do the exact same thing that he executed someone for. Character development went right out the window because Blizz needed a villain for MoP.

@EJ_Red

7 жыл бұрын

+MemeMaster 420xX Yeah, Garrosh's character development was one of the shittiest/laziest ones ever done. He was better in Cata where he had a decent sense of honor and was great he had a trait that countered it, it was just shit that they made his character do a complete turn around, like if we had Cata Garrosh during MoP, he would have never done so many atrocities during the war unless Y'shaarj actually got to him like it did in SoO.

Man, Jaina's reaction during that whole bombing scenario is so intense, she's such a great character, I find it absurd she's been branded a psychopath by both Horde and Alliance, here's hoping she makes a come back in 7.3 and we can finally see her confront Aethas for what he did in Pandaria.

3:22 That's pronounced im-per-SEPT-ib-lee. Solid video though mate.

Garithos and Dalaran is like Uther and Arthas - a completely fucked up power dynamic simply because the overarching story demands it. At this point it's hard to care about Warcraft lore. So many cool characters destroyed and every other conflict has to be resolved with a 'heroic sacrifice'.

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

Except Stratholme was already doomed, and allowing it to fester into a powerful stronghold for the Scourge would have meant all the Eastweald (the Eastern Plaguelands today) would have likely fallen much sooner. Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, Arthas did the only thing he thought he could. Garithos was prejudiced against elves because his family's estate that was near Quel'thalas was destroyed by the Horde, along with his family, and he blamed the elves, angry that the Alliance's forces were fighting in Quel'thalas to protect the elves at the time, thinking humanity should only look after itself. Because of this prejudice, Garithos mistreated the blood elves, either giving them tasks beneath their capabilities as warriors, or setting them against an insurmountable one that might have still bought Dalaran the time it needed, but would sacrifice the elves in the process. Garithos recalled all human and dwarven troops, even laborers, leaving only elves to fight the threat. Kael'thas was unwilling to just die when there was another way when Vashj offered them assistance. Garithos sentenced them all to death after he caught them getting help a second time. Kael'thas begged that Garithos spare his men, since it was his decision to accept the naga's aid. Garithos proved that he didn't care about them as allies, and in his blind racism, threw them all in the Violet Hold to be executed the next morning. Modera and Ansirem, implied by Rommath to have been in Dalaran in some position of power at the time, did nothing to save their fellow member of the Council of Six, effectively pissing away over 2,000 years of close friendship with the most reclusive people the humans had ever known. Kael'thas had to endure condescending words from Jailor Kassan who served the Kirin Tor, saying "It pains me to see a good wizard turned bad," so everyone just believed Garithos without a second thought. Nobody thought "maybe these people we've been friends with for over 2,000 years aren't just traitors?" And they all left them to die. The two were completely different situations. Stratholme was necessary. It wasn't pretty, and nobody was glad to have to do it. Garithos in Dalaran was unnecessary, and was only done to feed one man's massive ego out of prejudice against a people he perceived as having wronged him, completely ignoring the fact that they needed everyone they could get to fight the Scourge.

@noodlespoo

7 жыл бұрын

CrackAlecIn The purge itself wasn't a problem. The whole scene before Uther leaving was just pure emotion without an ounce of sense. All Uther had to do is just make Arthas wait several hours and see the first undead for himself. After that, Mal'Ganis would've been easily pwned by Uther 'The Fucking' Lightbringer with a full detachment of knights. And with the moral support of Uther and Jaina, Arthas wouldn't have rushed off to Northend, no Frostmourne etc. Although maybe we would've had a cool dwarven Lich King :) That's what I mean about the power dynamic. When you have probably the greatest and most respected hero of Lordaeron on one side and a young Prince throwing tantrums and talking about a civilian massacre on the other, it's an easy guess who the men would've sided with if Uther had pressed the issue instead of running off to Terenas. I mean, most of the knights *did* ride off with Uther! And about Garithos - the only thing I don't understand is what possible authority could he have had in Dalaran? Even before the war, as I understand it, they were only nominally part of the kingdom. In all matters of importance the Council of Six ruled the city and not the king of Lordaeron. The only possible explanation I can think of is that the Council were in such a disarray, they didn't even know what happened on the outskirts of the city and in the Violet hold.

revenge from the human actions against the blood elves let to the theremore bomb creation

What happened to warchief that said something about honor? WotLK, Icecrown, "The Broken Front". Honor to attack alliance from behind while they fighting undead.

@MrBern-ex3wq

7 жыл бұрын

When did the Horde attack the Alliance while they fought the Scourge again? If you're talking about the Wrath Gate, you're clearly ignoring what really happened there. The Horde was betrayed by Putress, a Forsaken Apothecary and Varimathras a Dreadlord that Sylvanas had, or we believed at least, bent to her will. Then both Horde and Alliance charged into the occupied Undercity and killed Putress and Varimathras. Aside from that, the only other possible conflict between the two factions is the ship fight boss in ICC, but sincerely, none stabbed anyone in the back there, both Alliance and Horde saw eachother climbing to the top of the Citadel and decided to go to blows. There was no stabbing in the back during Wrath by either faction.

@vladimirseven777

7 жыл бұрын

Try "The Broken Front" on wowhead.

Spoiler alert Green Jesus will kill giant Sholderpads :D

could you really blame the blood elves that cheered when they bombed theramore they were betrayed by the alliance now they sought revenge

I like blood elves, to bad they are in the fucking horde.

what

Garrosh did nothing wrong

i really hope jaina gets revange

@thehermit8723

7 жыл бұрын

Why? Cause unlike the rest of the characters she is more realistic? Sure Blizzard writer's suck at writing morally grey stories but that is not the character's fault.

@WoWMinGM

7 жыл бұрын

at this point she honestly deserves it

@jankoskiller8723

7 жыл бұрын

I don't understand why so many people hate Jaina. Like he said she is like the most realistic character in the game. She acted like what a normal person would act.

@podtherod9304

7 жыл бұрын

Janko skiller So letting the Sliver Covenant off their leash to go slaughter any innocent they found was what a normal person would do? Bullshit.

@jankoskiller8723

7 жыл бұрын

Yep I guess that's what I would do if someone betrayed me by helping those who murdered my friends, family and destroyed my city. Yep, pretty sure.

Nobody on the Horde condoned the mana bomb except for Garrosh and some blood-thirsty Orcs. You cannot blame Aethas for that. All he wants is peace and political power. Same with the Divine Bell. I believe that was the doing of Songweaver (not Sunreaver) again. Jaina assumed it was the Sunreavers and murdered and banished them from Dalaran.

Cool video but I don't like Aethas. I wish Blizzard would stop putting him at the forefront of Blood Elf Mage lore and use Rommath instead. He takes no shit and doesn't kneel before Humans. He's a true member of the Highborne bloodline and whose ancestors would actually be proud of him. Not like Aethas'.

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I hate Aethas so much, not just because he loves Dalaran so much more than Quel'thalas, but because Blizzard seems incapable of developing more than one Blood Elf at a time (not so for humans, funnily enough), and the blood elf they choose is Aethas, who keeps the blood elf narrative completely dependent on humans, making blood elves seem weak and helpless without the Kirin Tor, when it used to be the other way around, only both groups were much closer in competency.

Really hope we get to kill jaina in the next expansion. Camp Taurajo, Never Forget.

@Jimcraque

7 жыл бұрын

Teodor hillsbrad foothills, never forget. Don't justify hating Jaina with Turajo when in all honesty the alliance has suffered more because of the hordes aggression.

@goncalopereira2110

7 жыл бұрын

YOu do know that was a tragedy caused by the incompetence of the stockade conscripts right? That and the foolishness of a Northwatch commander

@podtherod9304

7 жыл бұрын

James Bonacorsi I can justify hating Jaina by the evil shit she's done. camp Taurajo and murdering innocent Blood Elves during the purge of Dalaran. Both factions have done extremely fucked shit. Horde has done more I'd say just because of the Forsaken alone. Even though the Forsaken are pretty morally fucked, I still don't think it's justifiable for Greymane to attack the Horde and start slaughtering Forsaken just because he is mad hyped up on revenge because his son was killed in Cata. Another example of Alliance being shitheads was when they attempted to murder the Goblins during their starting zone for the sake of "no witnesses" I can't defend the Horde for the bombing of Theramore and other shit that the Forsaken have done, but neither should you defend Alliance for evil things they've done.

@Jimcraque

7 жыл бұрын

+MemeMaster 420xX Well Jaina didn't have anything to do with Turajo, and Turajo had very minimal casualties because the Alliance General let them all escape if they wanted to. And Jaina only harmed those who attempted to fight her during the purge, so she really doesn't have a lot of blood on her hands. But I do agree, that both side have done some screwed up things, but I still feel like the Horde is a lot more aggressive and the Alliance has suffered a lot more because of it.

@mk_gamíng0609

7 жыл бұрын

Taurajo do you even remember what really happnend their? the "Alliance" soldiers their were a criminal force they were prisoners given the chance of freedom if you played on alliance and did it you find out that the Alliance leaders told all alliance forces to back off but the dicks didnt, so you cant blame Jaina for that. Btw we will never get to kill jaina she will get a redemption story i think blizz know they fucked up her storyline with making her evil they will fix it.

So you did the story of this traitor but not the story of the third Windrunner sister Vereesa Windrunner?????!!! Shame on you Nobbel!! cool video by the way as always ❤️

@lilchiimouse

7 жыл бұрын

Stella Stars i would love to see him do all the windrunner family members story the one you said and alleria as well as an update to my favorite Sylvanas would be great

@LandandSea

7 жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting for him to do one about Lor'themar, which I don't think will ever happen :/

@ninaloveray

7 жыл бұрын

lilchiimouse well Alleria's story was kinda completed after the second war, but it will finally continue in Legion when we go to Argus.

@ninaloveray

7 жыл бұрын

lilchiimouse so for now there's nothing to tell about her besides that she is the best character in the entire Warcraft universe besides Azshara.

@EJ_Red

7 жыл бұрын

I sure wish I could take this comment seriously if it weren't for the emojis

So much Alliance bias...

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

Really? I felt like he did a pretty nice job with this one. What do you think he could have done better?

it is just my opinion but if the orcs were dead Azeroth will be safer I mean the lich king is an orc the events of mists of pandaria and WOD and the third Invision is caused by orcs

@blood10dragon56

7 жыл бұрын

want another opinion? If the draeni were death the orc will still be in their home planet, the draeni brought the attention of Kil'jeaden and the Legion with them.

@Jimcraque

7 жыл бұрын

momen shawabkeh Uh, what? Have you not read about the war of the ancients? Queen Azshara welcomed the legion to Azeroth and that's what caused the sundering.

@hanhanson2457

7 жыл бұрын

"WOD and the third Invision is caused by orcs" Actually, that was Varian. Thrall was gonna kill Garrosh at the end of Siege of Orgrimmar, if you remember. It was Varian who stopped him, opening the window for Kairozdormu to whisk Garrosh away to the past.

@teroslarone1171

7 жыл бұрын

Kil'jeaden could habe used a human to create the lich king so the none exsisting alience would still have to deal with the scourge

@DharkDemonBlade

7 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if the Orcs didn't exist, then the Legion's 2nd invasion would have probably worked. The Horde was one of the groups who helped stall the legion during the Battle for Mt. Hyjal. Also without Green Jesus (Thrall) It might have been hard to find another Shaman that powerful to stop Deathwing. Finally with the retcons, without the most badass orc ever, Broxigar, then the 1st legion invasion would have succeeded.

Rommath is laughable, alaways blamintg humans yet in every conrer of trouble were did the Elves sreamed for help? Oh yes humans and after the 2nd war what did they do? Isolate themselves so when Arthas came none was there to aid them. Pfff typical snobb pest...

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

Lol...

The Blood Elves are bunch of hypocrites. First they blame blame the entire Alliance for the actions of a single man, then they betray them and join their enemies, who were also their enemies. Then they betray Jaina's trust and help Garrosh in his plan which would wipe out all non-orcs in the world, and cry because Jaina confronts them for their actions. Seriously!

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

I'm glad Nobbel is more objective than you. Garithos was not acting alone. His troops were complicit. The Kirin Tor did nothing to oppose him. They stood by and let their allies die. The elves were hardly ever friends with the Alliance as a whole. They were only actual friends with Dalaran. The three Sunreaver traitors we know of over the years, however, were not representative of their fellows. Aethas condemns them, and loves Dalaran, as do the rest of the Sunreavers. You say "they" too much. By that logic, I could say, speaking of the Kirin Tor "they formed the Cult of the Damned and plagued Lordaeron (Kel'thuzad), they summoned the Worgen from the Emerald Dream (Arugal), summoned Archimonde into Dalaran (Kel'thuzad again), and summoned Kil'jaeden at the Sunwell (Kael'thas)." But of course, I would never say that, because that would be intellectually dishonest. I know those are black sheep whose actions are not condoned by most of the Kirin Tor.

@RhadaGhast100

7 жыл бұрын

I agree with Kenji, they left the Alliance over a group of racists and besides the men under Garithos...what could they have done? The ones that disagreed. In the Military you follow orders without question and in times like these? If you question orders that could fall under fucking treason. So no one can really question Garithos orders purely because hes a Lord and has a claim to the Throne of Lordaeron by default since hes apart of the Peerage Lordaeron had. Also, High elves are racist as shit it's not like they can complain about Humans being racist towards elves when they are just as racist towards Humans and other races. In my mind, in my views the BLood elves are kind of hypocrites. THats not to say I defend Garthios's actions, I think the man is a hero but he has done wrong doings like any other Human being.

@Koryn_99

7 жыл бұрын

Taking the strongest of your people to leave your own war-torn country to go help the humans retake theirs first is so racist of them. High/Blood Elves don't send their allies on suicide missions, hoping they'll die. Just saying they're racist too is no argument. I don't know how that peerage stuff works so please enlighten me if you do. Garithos was the son and heir of a baron (though all their property was burned to the ground in the Second War), but does that mean he has a claim to the throne (apart from right of might, as the most powerful warlord in the area, and being a remnant from Lordaeron's former government)? During the Third War, The Alliance consisted of Lordaeron's remnants under Garithos, Dalaran hosting them in the damaged city, Kael'thas and the Blood Elves when he brought them back in after his father severed ties, Kul Tiras (though not present), Ironforge who sent aid to Garithos (because they could see he was pretty much all Lordaeron had left, excluding the Silver Hand who weren't present in the story at that time), and Stormwind who were way south rebuilding their kingdom. Kael'thas had no one else to turn to. All those he would have assumed would vouch for him let them all down and turned their backs on them, leaving them to die. Stromgarde and Gilneas left the Alliance between the 2nd and 3rd Wars, and Alterac was defunct. Garithos was the Alliance at that point, as far as it mattered to anybody in Lordaeron. BUT, the blood elves actually recognized that Garithos' actions were not representative of the sentiments of Ironforge and Stormwind, and in Burning Crusade, the Blood Elves actually tried to join today's Alliance, knowing that it was not the same people as the one that betrayed them in Dalaran. But the Alliance pretended to be interested in helping them, when really, they were only spying on them, with Night Elves occupying key positions of the Ghostlands, killing any Blood Elves who discovered them. That's why the Blood Elves gave up on today's Alliance. Not out of racism, but because the Alliance deceived them and purposely hindered their efforts in their own country.

@RhadaGhast100

7 жыл бұрын

Okay, Yeah I can help you with the Peerage, I don't know that much either so I could be wrong. House Menethil at the time of Garithos's campaign was all pretty much dead, Arthas was known as a Race traitor, His Sister is thought to be dead and the mother and father are dead also. So that means Lordaeron's throne is open. Noblemen swear oaths of fealty to the King and with no King...that means any Noblemen can claim the throne because they are apart of a Peerage. Since the peerage of england seems to be the one that Blizzard semi uses with all the different type of noblemen I will be going from Highest to lowest in a list I will also not be mentioning titles that are not seen in game so things like Archduke won't be used King/Queen Crown Prince/Princess Duke/Duchess Marquess (Not in-game or in lore, but given how they are pretty much Border lords, I think they may be in Warcraft but not sure) Count/Countess Viscount/Viscountess (Not in lore, but the Son or Daughter of a Count/Countess is known as Viscount/Viscountess) Baron/Baroness So Garithos has a claim purely due to Noble Blood, not sure how many Noblemen lived through Lordaeron, but thats just my knowledge of the Peerage. Also I agree, Humans can be dick heads but Blood elves to me is just as much of dickheads. Also I'm pretty sure Stormwind was apart of the Alliance also? However due to it being a medieval setting word does not spread that quickly and Stormwind would pretty much be unable to send help (Not sure if they knew till it was to late) Also I was not aware that the Blood elves in Outland tried to rejoin the Alliance, i knew they tried to rejoin the Alliance in mop after they have served in the Horde Military but...yeah.

@EJ_Red

7 жыл бұрын

After the Second War, Anasterian and the denizens of Quel'thalas blamed the Alliance for its poor leadership and left. Yes, it was a douche thing to do as it started the domino effect for Gilneas and Stromgarde to leave as well. But once Arthas arrives and decimates 90% of their people, they become desperate to survive. 90% of the survivors then became blood elves, the remaining 10% still high elves. Kael leads his most able-bodied soldiers to fight in the New Alliance and become victims of Garithos' poor treatment and racism, and is often sent out on suicide missions. After getting help from Vashj and the Naga, help they so desperately needed for their mission, Garithos sentences them to death. After receiving help from them again, they flee to Outland to follow Illidan and find a way to satisfy their addiction made manifest after the fall of Quel'thalas. With Kael away and the Alliance more or less gone or unhelpful at this time, Lor'themar has to have his people hoin the Horde in order for their people still on Azeroth to survive. Kael betrays his own people so Lor'themar becomes the sole ruler of their people, and thus has to consider every option for his race's survival. Keep in mind that the entire population of the blood elves are the 9% of survivors of Quel'thalas' destruction at the hands of Arthas, so Lor'themar's task as leader is a VERY difficult task. Flash forward a few years; war has begun again; the Alliance and Horde are at each other's throats. Garrosh has become power hungry and mad, and has begun desecrating every land in his mad conquest for control. The blood elves, obviously still recovering from their near extinction, are used as tools and grunts for Garrosh's desire of power. Jaina, as leader of Dalaran and the Kirin Tor, has still chosen to let the Horde and Sunreavers operate in her city and keep it this way. Meanwhile, Lor'themar, seeing Garrosh heading down the same road as Kael'thas once did, asks Varian for a place among the Alliance for his people in order to survive the war. Garrosh, however, has a double agent which fucks up negotiations and makes the Sunreavers victims/suspects. Jaina, pissed off and not thinking clearly, goes around the streets of Dalaran, imprisoning any Sunreaver she came across and killing any that resisted without even letting them know why or what's happening, even killing dragonhawks to prevent escape. Alliance players are even sent to kill a blacksmith in her store and a mage at the bank trying to withdraw his savings before being struck down. Innocent lives imprisoned or eitherwise killed, with only a few (With luckily Aethas himself) free because of Rommath's intervention. After the Purge of Dalaran, Sunreaver corpses are on the streets and in their own homes. Some of them were even in imprisoned int he Violet Hold for the rest of the war and even still there. Again, blood elves are the remaining 9% of Quel'thalas original population, so Jaina's act was quite a blow to the blood elves. As a result of the Purge, the blood elves have forced their hand under the Horde banner to fight the Alliance, or specifically Jaina's "justice" at the Isle of Thunder. So tell me again why blood elves are the bad ones in this matter, considering their own circumstances.

Garosh did nothing wrong neither did Aethas they where at war and they did what was necessary, to win the war! FOR THE HORDE!

@thehermit8723

7 жыл бұрын

When you play by that rules you must also be ready to pay the price in Aethas case the Blood elves did instead of him, at least Garrosh was not a wretch like the rest of them he admitted what he did....

Garrosh did nothing wrong.