These industry dudes steal beats in plain site, no remaking, no reworking, and if you spend the money on going after them, likely youll eventually settle for less than you’re owed.

@bigkeezo

9 ай бұрын

And they know that you’ll settle from the get go 🙁

@WJWalker44

8 ай бұрын

DJ Pain what up

@flyshitonly24

2 ай бұрын

The beat you did for Last Supper on The Game Jesus Piece album is classic

There was a similar kind of disagreement with who produced the Eric B. & Rakim records in the 80s (which had very influential production on them)... they're credited as produced by Eric B. & Rakim, but in a lot of cases Rakim and Eric took the records they wanted to use to Marley Marl and Marley did a lot of the sampling/programming. So it becomes a case of whether the producer is the person who had the idea of what to put together, or the person who physically put the elements together.

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Yeah that problem exists a lot, especially when it comes to 'ghost producing'

@teigeo

9 ай бұрын

In my opinion everyone involved deserves some kind of credit (unless they don’t want it for some reason)

@Mar.Escobar24

9 ай бұрын

And Marley is also known to have taken sole credit for beats he didn’t even do. I don’t remember specific songs but I do know Ced Gee and Large Professor being part of some songs they didn’t get credit for.

@hip-hop4life827

9 ай бұрын

@@Mar.Escobar24 Ced Gee produced 50% of Criminal Minded (The Bridge Is Over was one of them) and indeed Large Professor produced a lot of stuff for Eric B & Rakim but also Kool G Rap & Polo.

@biglee2423

9 ай бұрын

Large Professor did many including “In the Ghetto”.. Rakim was a producer too.

Love the variety in your videos man, good stuff

I still find it quite amazing how they put together 'Do For Love' with that Bobby Caldwell hook. Must have had a great ear when he heard Dilla beat matching that

@bp2000k

8 ай бұрын

When i first heard that , i thought it was produced by dilla bcs it sound like a jay dee production. Then i see this and it all makes sense.

@BhramaBull

8 ай бұрын

Stole fw outta Dilla beat

@Andre.Malik11

7 ай бұрын

maybe my ears are deceiving me, but I just figured in "Do For Love" someone just played the horn melody on bass (syth or real) and adjusted the speed/pitch/etc. So, whether he chopped his sounds to create the bass sound for the melody, isn't it still a sample/interpolation of Caldwell's horn melody?

@markbruggeman274

7 ай бұрын

@@Andre.Malik11 i think the Horn chop is not from Bobby Caldwell but from a different song which Dilla sampled

Great video my friend! I always find these types of videos super interesting, as well as very educational.

This is such a fun video. It was channels like you and diggin the greats that really made me actually start subscribing to music channels on here outside of just guitar teachers and its these vids with more music history and beat break downs together that really hook me

Your breakdown and analysis is just unparalleled

Jesusss you are talented man been looking for this type of content for years

More videos like this please, along with your normal tips and tricks videos. This was really interesting.

Impressive video ..u get a sun just on the work to put this video together.. clean , precise and most importantly informative!!! Love it

I’m more of an Afro/deep house/bounce producer but damn you really have some of the best content out here! I appreciate you greatly.

@slimesosa8439

9 ай бұрын

African mumble

your videos always butter me up and tuck me into bed navie i appreciate that

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

But I release these in the morning. Wake up!

@tarrenceprice9458

4 ай бұрын

@@NavieD😂😂😂

I really like these type of videos. Keep them coming.

amazing video as always davie n! keep it up bro, fr best beatmaking content ever.

love this!! Something we all have to know coming into this game. Thanks again Navie D! keep loving yourself. peace and love from Japan

I love learning, and you are great at teaching. Nuff said. Cheers!

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

I love you

@MvnStn

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD

This is a fascinating video, great work

Mann I love this video, nice content as always. Thanks

The thing about Aphex Twin getting his song sampled on a Kanye record then being told by his camp “It’s not yours, it’s OURS. And we aren’t asking.” Sent (angry) shivers down my spine. Welcome to the industry lol.

@raimondnu3

9 ай бұрын

Do you think it might of been possible that Aphex Twin didnt copyright his version, and got it sampled with full ownership from Kanye Camp? Crazier things have been done in this industry.

@LaidBackApophis

9 ай бұрын

Except Aphex Twin had been in the industry for decades before Kanye was even a household name.

@DjStinger

8 ай бұрын

​@@LaidBackApophiswurd hahaha exactly 😅

@Krimewave186

8 ай бұрын

@@raimondnu3 if it's released, it's published. If it's published, it's copyrighted.

@HorribleHomeVideo

8 ай бұрын

that does not apply @@LaidBackApophis

That due for love intro is MAGICAL takes me back.

These videos are really good bro

BABE WAKE UP NAVIE POSTED ANOTHER VIDEO

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Let that woman sleep

There were rumours back in the day that Timbaland would hire ghost producers and make them work in a studio and just take the best samples for himself. He also claimed that he invented dubstep lol. Let’s not forget that infamous case where he quite literally stole a sample and claimed he made it himself, without giving credit.

@badboy69cancer

9 ай бұрын

Yea, those aren't rumors at all. Lol.

@Elias304

9 ай бұрын

Timbaland spoke about that if i remember correctly, where he let Danja Hands produce under his name so he could get him more money for the beats

@Crypto_prod35

7 ай бұрын

Yeah bro art and music has nothing but thieves in there

@OlliWitta3_

7 ай бұрын

Timbo co produced " No More Pain" by 2pac from All Eyez On Me album , but went uncredited by Devante

@bootcheese

6 ай бұрын

Next to Swizz Beatz, Timbaland is a Charlatan of the HIGHEST Order. Fuckin' can't stand his Music, and I don't care how many European Beatmakers have been influenced by his Music.

It's hard to tell, but I lean towards theft. I'm relatively no one in the game, but I've had two songs stolen outright. One song became a local hit and anchored an album. Anyone who makes beats long enough will get jacked.

@oscaroscar7904

9 ай бұрын

Same has happened once with me but that was only the melody of a folk song, but its not fun when you put them out for free to help people relax or chill, but it has only happened once with me though, but its not fun if someone makes money out of something i made for free and out of caring, i though the was a law for this i think as long as you have your song you can prove it ( in thoery) but how it really works in the practical side of thing i dont know

@verbone

9 ай бұрын

@@oscaroscar7904 In my case, it wasn't a sample-based beat, it was something completely original I played. I did have the original still, but let's just say there would've been a lot of politics involved if I had pursued it. Gotta know when to hold 'em and fold 'em.

@oscaroscar7904

9 ай бұрын

@@verbone yeah thats true and I try to see it as a sort of compliment if someone used part of my melody for something lol, but I just think it happens alot more then people are aware ( on youtube or other more obscure music.), and I am not against sampling though of course, and when its done right it can make a song into something else, like making a sad ballad song into a beat and transforming that into a major or energetic happy song is really cool.

Great video, funny 🤣 thing I was just discussing Poppa Was A Playa with a friend who happens to be a producer as well because I love the sample usage and especially the hi hat panning technique along with the drum simplicity and the chimes but those hi hats 🔥 🤦🏿‍♂️

New to your channel and love the content 🔥🔥🔥 you got my sub

Dude I love your videos, you are a true hip hop head

I just came along and then I found your channel I really like it😊

Moving forward to 2023, spotify doesn't show credits to producer or beatmakers. I was shocked seeing this on my productions while I spent some time filling in all the right informations on my distribution page, making sure everything is there before submitting to digital release

something I love about Jamaican djs and old 80s dancehall is that is very common to hear the same beats and samples but this is looked upon the crowd, they look for djs who can add their own thing to the classical beats.

@ogaccount9809

4 ай бұрын

Same with early Memphis rap

Real like/appreciate your content. I’m new to this space. I had a question for you, in todays environment is there a process producers need to do before uploading there beats to (let’s say distrokid) in order to minimise theft? Have you made content on this subject? Thanks

benzema teachin me bout sum music history nice content brother, kudos

That production from „Do For Love“ is crazy tho🔥🔥🔥

@jzajzz

8 ай бұрын

That's just sampling

Your knack for recreation is genuinely impressive.

I ve made recently a beattape, and something that I've found quite unique, the question is that a fellow producer came across me, who was with me one of these days while I worked on the tape telling " owh I've used one of the samples you got there, I hope u don't mind, check my beat, see here" ofter I've checked we both laught at the differences, with two completely different approaches. Long story short, no problem in using, in fact, the same sample, the thing is how you do it maintaining your identity on it. I've made a Celtic druid tape and put that there, it's great, and the dude made a freestyle like beat that's dope as f***, he didn't quite stole, he made it to be way different than mine, even so I didn't feel malice, it was a good studio day that day 😁

Diddy needs to go to jail

@UnbiasedBrim

8 ай бұрын

Diddy got my joint back in 2001. It's wasn't his fault tho. I sent it to him.

The labels definitely mess things up at times, like what Rawkus did with the Godzilla sample in "Simon Says." If the labels/managers do everything in their power to screw artists out of money, why wouldn't they at least to get away with doing the same to producers and sample clearances?

It must take you hours upon hours to get these recreations made in your DAW, and then make a whole dope ass interesting video about it! Great work per usual Navie!

@elijahworden219

9 ай бұрын

With today tool maybe not hours. With the old technology probably

@threezysworld8089

8 ай бұрын

Does take hours although by now I'm sure he has some good refined processes.

@TravelWithRhulani

8 ай бұрын

Wow impressed bro witb your content earned a follower

@Reggieeeeeeee322

5 ай бұрын

an hour tops. I can make most of these in 30 mins or so.

Down and Out was Dope! I didn't know this information.

wanted too let you know i enjoy your content very much, i find it very "inclusive" even though im using ableton, keep going love ur work

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Thanks Matt! I try my best to make the videos understandable no matter what you use

When it comes to music, its not about who did it first, its about who did it best. Respect will always be paid to the originators and pioneers by the people making the music, but the masses will remeber the best version of something. Be the best.

Great stuff man. Sub well earned.

The beat for the second track on JPEGMafia's Veteran album was first credited to Peggy but was actually produced by someone else

@baL88537

9 ай бұрын

They all losers 🤣

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Ahh yeah, the Chef Warren thing. Was he accused of stealing or was it people assuming Peggy produced it?

@Vincent-dw2mg

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieDnah he stole it, no permission no credit

@shmirko1665

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD I'm not fully sure actually, could very well be the latter. But i remember Peggy getting very defensive abt the whole thing😂

@gabehere

9 ай бұрын

He definitely stole it, guy made zero money off that shit and has a full beat breakdown in his channel.@@NavieD

I watched a interview with the producer Soulshock from Souldshock & Karlin who did Do For Love. I think Soulshock mostly did drums and samples and Karlin played keys. He talked about when he did that song how he was a huge fan of Dilla and Tribe. I think he def sampled the drums and that guitar chop (or recreated it) but to me its more like uncredited sampling than just jacking a beat. He did mention though how Karlin came up with the bassline on the keyboard. They also did Me Against The World. It was a cool interview.

@dianevrules

8 ай бұрын

BS. They chopped up Dilla's s7&&^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@JaybLive95

8 ай бұрын

@@dianevrules I said that. I said I think he sampled the drums and the little guitar thing but that's different than just jackin somebody's beat. The beat itself completely different.

This is one of the coolest things iv seen on the hip hop side of KZread bro you got a series on your hands now you need to do a mini doc bout song theft and have some underground artist show you proof of how whole songs get stolen

Great video

make this into a series

Loool that ending with the spotify credits was hilarious

keep these stories up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A more recent example I can think of is Bryson Tiller's "Exchange " and J.Cole's "Deja Vu" and the dispute surrounding the beats of those two songs. Yet the samples, while being the same were used VERY differently

@marknielsbeats

8 ай бұрын

And the Dre / Ericka Badu situation, With Xplosive and avg lady

@GDOLLAS757

5 ай бұрын

Those were just samples

It’s just like being the Avatar, you have to know all the masters as far as, Dilla, Pete Rock, Slumgulion, 9th Wonder, etc. I use their templates as a foundation for navigating through any sample I hear. I understand it’s like learning different styles of Kung-Fu. Once you’ve learned how to use the techniques, you can come up with some really ill creations. The key to unlock the door is your imagination. The same process is for juggling records too (vinyl) how to breakdown time signatures in the in the song already provided for you.

4:30 this happens alot on the vocal side of things too but its more accepted and seen as paying dues. From the weekend working on drakes take care album in the shadows before it was his turn all the way back to future working on blue berry yum yum for ludacris while he slept on the couch in the dungeon

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Whoa, I did not know about the Future and Blueberry Yum Yum part. That is crazy

@HunterGibson6969

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD yep theres probably many more cases like this we just werent ever told about

diddy sneaking into Pete rocks studio is hilarious

You forgot to mention Dr. Dre. Hutch, from Above The Law, was working on a Beat in his House, and Dre was there, listening and watching the process (Hutch was working on a funky Synth Bassline). A few Years later, that Bassline was featured on "Dre Day". In case you didn't know, Hutch was the Son of Willie Hutch, the man who composed the Soundtrack to the '70s Blaxploitation Classic, "The Mack", starring Max Julien and Dick Anthony Williams as "Pretty Tony".

I love the quote. I recently had a situation where I thought a producer stole from me on a Tony Yayo song. I reached out to the producer and Tony Yayo, neither got back to me (Surprise!) but in the end, I chalked it up to we both took an easy route in chopping same sample. maybe that's naïve of me. but i'd rather chalk it up than stay enraged. that being said it also taught me that maybe my stuff was a little better than i thought, but I still need to work on my drums and get my legal stuff together before continuing to put music on Soundcloud. Anyways, I loved the video...I think Puff definitely stole. Only because he's done so much shady stuff. And thanks for the quote. I'm going to print it out and give you a sub credit. LOL

Yeah, you're right. Sometimes it's not outright theft. The Down N Out situation reminds me of Kitty Kat by G-Unit, where on the record 50 shoutouts Polow Da Don as the producer but the credits list Hit-Boy (Who was signed to Polow at the time). What ended up happening was that the beat CD came from Polow so 50 assumed the beat was made by him when he recorded the verse. lol

@michaelcucchiara

8 ай бұрын

Same exact siatuatiin with Who Dat by Jeezy. D Rich made it even tho Jeezy shouts out SR

Do for love karlin said they wanted it to sound like a tribe called quest "relax yourself", now for the DJ Dillah part it's my first time hearing it, but with your explanations it sounds like a mix of both ATCQ & Dillah which were collaboraters

Would love a video on just blaze perhaps a what naive can teach us about him 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

J Dilla's ear must've been insane. How the hell did he hear all that in Do for love?😮

One of the things I’m learning from all of these videos is almost every beat is using some sort of sample

Down and out beat was originally on a song Called Anthrax it came out years before Kanye's version, it was produced by a group in Philly on a mix tape called Logan Valley

Thanks for risking your life for the greater good. Bless you

Interesting. Man make a video on what makes a melody/sample chops dark and underground. how to flip sample to the dark side

Ok we need a more in depth look at this if there is anymore info on all these + many more

That sample that supposedly nobody can find is don’t say goodnight (it’s time for love) by The Isley Brothers

The Eddie Kendricks sample was used in 1995 by a French rap crew called Iam in the song called "bad boys de Marseille " , they featured Redman in 1997 in their single (la saga) so I guess Kanye heard about them and probably liked Keops sampling and producing method..... just a guess

@inigo9000

9 ай бұрын

I would wish it was true because Meteque et mat is one of my favourite albums but Eddie kendricks is known to everybody that’s in to soul/R&B music. And there was the song Victem of the Ghetto from college boys that allready used the sample, there’s a big change Iam took inspiration from it because the hook has a little bit similar feeling to it

@1010001011

9 ай бұрын

it's Sunz Of Man who features on the IAM song la saga

@slls4927

9 ай бұрын

@@1010001011 it was the single Noble art that featured Redman and method man my mistake

The mall soundbyte on do for love is used by many like tribe called quest the bass is moog and rhodes played by karlin

This happens in every field where there is a apprentice situation unfortunately

As a person that know someone in the industry. They even do this to engineers. They do it to everyone. Music is a shady business

@Jokerlevin

8 ай бұрын

All businesses are shady. If you can save money and get away with it, you will.

Whats up bro great video .. yes its crazy I had a portion of one of my loops in loopeeman called traper bellz from kohibabeatz that was used on Travis Scott THANK GOD song the intro bells and I never got no credit ..

Damn I’m here under 10,000 views, haha crazy. Been really enjoying your videos 🎉

there was a song from st louis that was no 1 in the city.. that got played several times on L.A. radio 2 years before pac used it..the song was Deep by Illegal Assembly pac sped it up ad called it picture me rollin

It’s harder when don’t understand the industry. I started out as a Chicago house dj/ producer as a kid in the 90s. I was really into making hip hop soul beats, like RZA and OutKast’s producer. I made the tracks on my MPC 60 that I bought from cutting hair at school. I was a rapper at the time but my flow was different. So I rapped on my own tracks that literally sounds similar to Otis, international players anthem and many modern songs. Well before they were produced. I laugh now as I get that many people can have similar ideas and experiences. back then I wanted to be a part of this hip hop group called Ill State, my friends brother was their engineer for them. When my backpack was stolen a few of my copy tracks and piece book were stolen too. Only later to hear similar songs. I don’t make music anymore but I still have the drives and listen to them now and then.

Southside from 808 Mafia does this to a lot of the young and dumb producers he got signed under him. He puts his 808 mafia tag on their beats but doesn't credit them.

The beat also sounds like Tribe Called Quest's Electric Relaxation

Puffy also flipped the same Oliver Sain sample DITC used on "day one" just a few months after they did, he used it exactly the same tho haha

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Would you say that is theft in this case?

@HunterGibson6969

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD Showbiz certiantly thinks so i was able to find the article i read about it one day ill try and copy and paste it here but it may be autobanned if i dont censor it a bit

@HunterGibson6969

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD "Show: Puffy took that sample [from Big L’s “M.V.P.”] on purpose. Let’s keep it 100. That’s my opinion. Finesse was one of Puffy’s Hitmen producers. They had a falling out and Finesse went his own way. L is down with D.I.T.C. and Puffy got Biggie and wanted to show it up, like “I can do it better.” If you listen to our song “Day One,” Puffy rhymed that too [on Puff Daddy and the Family’s “Young G’s”]. Puffy is cool, I got respect for him, but he’s competitive like that. It ain’t like that was a coincidence. Puff and Big came out with that record that Big L had. The rules back then were that you don’t use something that somebody else just used. So for him to say “Fthat, I’m going to use it anyway,” shows he was like “I’m going to show theseNs up!” This ain’t on anybody else, this is coming from my mouth. I don’t give a, I’m 100 with it. It is what it is."

@HunterGibson6969

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD in my opinion it was disrespect but not theft as both beats were just loops, not creatively chopped up or that would have been beyond any benefit of a doubt

Ive been stolen off. I dont wanna even givem a name. But trust. It made me feel like seeking some type of revenge. Especially when i saw in his comments people talk about how good it sounded. I will release the entire original project 1 day soon. I think thats the best way. 😊

My teenage son produces some good beats and was approached by a low tier rapper on Fiver. My son just gave him one trying to get “exposure” and the credit on Tidal lists the artist as the composer and producer. I really would have liked to see his name, I was really proud of how good the song came out. This may be a Hanlon’s Razor moment, indeed.

You looped that Ashanti beat at that end? I hear it

8:41 'Pitch speed changes to avoid police detection' 😂😂

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

I had to upload this video 8 times just to avoid it

@hazybeatz1327

9 ай бұрын

Yo what's up. Kool to see you here

@DrBigFMC

9 ай бұрын

@hazybeatz1327 Yo! This international beatmaker / producer community is actually a small world! Hope you're good.

sampling another beat and stealing its just sampling lol

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Are you referring to the J Dilla case?

@Drabee

9 ай бұрын

@@NavieD yh

@nickhymel3763

2 ай бұрын

Nah. Even if it’s a direct sample, you should add something original to it, otherwise it’s straight up copying aka stealing

Tupac beat sampled is from Bobby Caldwell(What You Won't Do For Love). Master P sampled it to for(If I Could Change)

Do you drive a green car around Venice, CA? I saw you

sample jacking/biting is a no no.. if you're going to use a sample that's already been used, you need to flip that sample to sound totally different. The end result will always be victorious.

What’s that last beat at the end

This is how it be in 93.... till infinity. Sounds like do for love. I thought thats where the waynes got their sample for the intro to their show on tv.

7:35 - Hell Naw ...that came from my man Notorious B1, from the M-I-Crooked Letter-Crooked Letter

Question, did you go to college for music production?

Can you make a video about Clams Casino and Danger Mouse too?

@StillIchor

9 ай бұрын

Oho🧐

Over a year prior to ready to dies release , Dre Dog’s the new Jim jones had that beat from juicy and the beat to big poppa So who really made it first 🤔

number 1 youtuber to watch while eating

Wow, the Dilla part of this video is very interesting, as I always thought that Dilla actually produced "do for love"..I guess the track resempled so much the dilla sound that I just assumed it. Nice to see that there is actually some truth to my assumptions.

Kanye said he didn’t produce the record in an interview he cleared that up

The Puffy vs. Pete Rock situation is a common thing among black men: Basically Puff looking down on Pete like someone like YOU shouldn't be this good, so I have to bring up someone else who I deem worthy or is one of "us". We all know the type of people that Puffy prefers.

@NavieD

9 ай бұрын

Well that went to places I didn't expect

That intro was dope

Good video idea for Busy

Yeah check out Killin it by Fab and Dre’s Still D.R.E. - definitely different but you can definitely hear a striking similarity

Would love to see a breakdown on the pharrell /joseph zakoni allegations

Something like that happened to me once. I was featured on a song that got almost half a mill streams on SoundCloud (which was at peak popularity back then) and was getting thousands of streams on other services, yet I didn’t get any traffic from it since my artist name was misspelled, the artist who was the main artist was doing his best to change that, yet nothing came of it. Morale of the story: Be careful what distributors you work with.

2nd video in, im a fan, cool stuff