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@JmMateo933

Жыл бұрын

Cool

I feel like there's also one thing worth to mention. The Track of the Day system (for paying customers). That's where you get great community made maps with regular players. Additionally, once per day you have the Cup of the Day which do push a proper competition system.

@buttonasas

2 жыл бұрын

I had no idea people wanted to subscribe for something OTHER than track of the day. I consider it the main content of the game.

@ClearwaterUK

2 жыл бұрын

Good news: COTD now runs 3 times a day, once every 8 hours! It's to accommodate for other timezones who can't make it to the main one.

@Allen_lena

2 жыл бұрын

@@buttonasas Exactly, TOTD/COTD is the main attraction of the game.

The "diffusion" visualisation at 9:26 was just *chef's kiss*

Have to agree with your last argument. Playing Trackmania should be simpler. I played a lot of Nations over the year but the UI as well as the subscription model of Trackmania 2020 really didnt hook me at all.

Whos gonna invent adblock for videogames

@Juanguar

2 жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder if pihole would work with it

@friki1282

2 жыл бұрын

Therapist: "Redhead Doppio doesn't exist, it can't hurt you." Redhead Doppio: "Whos gonna invent adblock for videogames"

Ubisoft's previous history in franchise management unfortunately shows that brand integrity is very last on their list of priority.

@Mandarin9900

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but this is more about the studio itself rather than Ubisoft here. But I see what you mean I think.

Just want to mention that some of the "obstacle spam" might have been due to camera mode. It looks like you're using "Cam 1" in general, but several of the campaign maps were designed for "Cam 2" or "Cam 3".

@01Colorwise

2 жыл бұрын

The default camera is absolutely necessary for ice but I prefer the first person view for most courses because it doesn't fight against the terrain. The "obstacle spam" disappears as soon as you get comfortable with each map and get a feel for the fastest lines you can take in each segment since the bumpers and pillars aren't obstructing those lines. I'm not sure if I should complain about the map design for not working well with the default camera, forcing people to either go in blind to some downhill sections, or the game for not teaching people to get comfortable with switching views. I've had a good time playing this year's campaign tracks, especially the latest season, and I enjoy setting up personal goals and seeing how much I improve as a driver. I've never felt like the maps were unfair and I've acknowledged that the mistakes I make are from my own decisions on taking bad lines or hesitating on turns and drifts.

One of the most damning things about TM2020 is the fact that the free version of the game, which is supposed to hook in new players, is devoid of the iconic features that hooked players into the series to begin with - and only has the poorly-designed monthly campaign maps to act as a replacement, thus giving free players no insight into the power of the paid-access tools and therefore giving them no reason to buy in. Speaking personally, even as someone who has sunk hundreds of hours into the previous Trackmania games, TM2020 has failed to hook me or make me feel compelled to buy in.

@RR-hl6zi

2 жыл бұрын

So what would you day is the best Trackmania version still available? I'm looking to get into the series, but I'm put off by yet another game (service) subscription.

@Shredster7

2 жыл бұрын

​@@RR-hl6zi Trackmania Nations is still 100% free and still an excellent game, with an absolutely gargantuan amount of fan-made content to peruse. It's definitely the best place for a newcomer to start, as far as I'm aware. Trackmania United includes everything already in Nations alongside all six of the other Environments (car/tileset combos) from the two previous Trackmania games. It's a one-time purchase and it usually goes on sale for pennies. Trackmania 2 requires you to purchase all four of it's Environments individually, but they're all one-time purchases. Just be warned that the Trackmania 2 version of the Stadium Environment is an upgraded version of the Stadium Environment that's already available for free in Trackmania Nations, so it may not be worth the money to you. Additionally, while this isn't directly related to your question, I will nonetheless advise steering clear of Trackmania Turbo - it comes with all four of Trackmania 2's Environments in one purchase, but they're all **extremely** watered-down, and they've had a very cringe-inducing "EXTREME SPORTS" aesthetic haphazardly slapped onto them.

@RR-hl6zi

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for that expansive reply!

@ClearwaterUK

2 жыл бұрын

@@Shredster7 The general consensus of TM Turbo in the community is while its online and customization is indeed watered down (mainly for technical and legal reasons as to get them on console), it has by far the best singleplayer experience and aesthetic, so it shouldn't be put off as much as you claim it to be.

@ketrub

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClearwaterUK yeah if you're looking for a strictly single player game turbo is probably your best bet

Sadly the subscription thing separates the community, since all the social stuff gets behind a paywall and the free version feels like a demo from the paid one

Trackmania's one of the best games let down by how dumb the company itself was honestly. I truly do feel like if they just let you buy these games with no strings attached, no DRM and better interface that they would do much better than they do now and have more of a place in the public eye. As it stands, I can't help but feel that all the ways Ubisoft try to control it only really serve to push people away even though they truly have a real gem in their hands. I know I can't be the only one that constantly wishes this game were in better hands at the very least.

I have no faith in the Trackmania developers. If you watch Ross's Game Dungeon, you'll know he covered Trackmania Canyon, and he found demonstrable proof that the devs were retroactively removing features, graphics options, etc.

Personally I get the most fun out of the Track/Cup of the Day system with this game. It keeps getting me back to check out the new track, compete in the cup and then hunt the map for a bit. The thing I think the game needs the most is a proper achievement/unlock system, for example unlock a badge or skin for a cup of the day win, with higher tiers depending on the division, etc... There would be so much possibilities ... that probably would make me play the game even more. And no, the trophy system does not fill that gap, as you can do absolutely nothing with them.

@ergergzbhzefer

2 жыл бұрын

I actually love that there are no rewards. I play because it’s fun, I choose my own objectives, and I don’t end up playing more than I should because of a reward the game has decided I should pursue.

I actually rewatched your other trackmania video this week as the game has been on my mind since the release of royal. Your message of “this game should be the biggest racing game” just sticks with me as I continue to play Super Smash Bros melee, another game I adore for its mechanical purity. I’ve played trackmania since 2007. I talk about it a lot to people, and I don’t think I ever convinced a single person to pick up and play the game. Powerful creation tools, simple but deep gameplay mechanics, and an art style I think really matches its mechanical simplicity is just constantly let down by a developer which over the last couple of years has revealed to be a bit toxic. I don’t know what the Nadeo team can do to relaunch trackmania and become that biggest game, but god I want them to succeed the right way so much.

The main issue I have with the paying model and the reason this is the only trackmania game I haven't thrown my money at is that they're asking for a yearly fee for access to stuff that Nadeo really isn't making. They're literally monetizing user generated content. They'll argue that it's to keep the servers up but 1: dog food ads and 2: online gamemodes, at least royal and ranked, _are free for everyone_. The money gives you access to your locally downloaded tracks and user game rooms and campaigns, ie user content. It's scummy and scammy to incredible lengths, and as the game goes on it just grows more so. Sure, it's not an exhorbitant fee but as someone who spent 5 digit hours in the various trackmania editors over the last 15 years, I don't want my creative output to be monetized by Ubisoft Entertainment SarL.

i hope that one day nadeo changes their minds and gets rid of the paid subscription, maybe making it a paid game outright or free with cosmetics the subscription is honestly the one thing that makes me not want to play it more

Love this game and series, but it sure has menus you might need a tutorial for. Let's hope the ux redesign they are working on is a lot better.

Dude, you are one of my favorite and one of the best creators on this platform! I enjoy every single one of your videos even when I'm not particularly interested in the subject. I think I've been following you for about 4 years now. It always makes me happy seeing one of your uploads. Seriously underrated!!! Keep up the good work man!! ❤

I wanted to get the Standard Access to see what the additional content was like, but it's a little expensive from my country. I'm also dissapointed that the customization options are locked unless you buy the Club Access.

@ClearwaterUK

2 жыл бұрын

Starter Access is free, unless if you were referring to Standard Access.

@jeremiasazcona9159

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClearwaterUK Yeah, you're right, i was referring to the Standard Access.

I despise the subscription model, people are paying Ubisoft to create content for the game. If they release yearly track packs maybe i'll buy it.

@Mandarin9900

2 жыл бұрын

It's not the publishers making content for the game, it's the developer studio. Yearly track packs sound like a nice idea.

Trackmania Nations forever will always be the king

@bob_ross_gaming3800

Жыл бұрын

facts

Maybe if they released on Steam they'd get a more consistent playerbase

@ZincDrinker

2 жыл бұрын

I have a PC, but I would rather play this if it was on consoles, just seems more fitting.

@ClearwaterUK

2 жыл бұрын

Well the good news is Ubisoft have said they'll put their games on the Steam Deck if "it's big enough". Hopefully this will by extension include TrackMania.

When the censored billboard showed up, I was like, “crud, is the whole video gonna be like this 😰”

I finally went back to try trackmania last night, not tried a TM game for years. What I was greeted with.. was basically 'fall guys trackmania edition'. Ubisoft have destroyed this title.

I only have the free version, and in terms of the best free trackmania game, i still prefer TMNF

When ubisoft announce Trackmania Turbo i was exciting my last game was United forever a inredible game, great creative mode and simples menus , but when i first try "Turbo" the UI was horrible , i try to create a track and was clunky and slow, then i first this and the same problem happend here, the UI is bad really bad , i think nadeo should be try to learn the UI menu from "United forever" simple and efective, probably not elegant but efficient !

Everytime I think about trying trackmania, I give up simply because it's so complicated to understand which game offers what. I'd really like to see a video explaining the differences between all these games. The only thing people seem to agree is that the latest has the more active player base, but that doesn't mean anything If I don't know the differences between the games to know which would be better.

@smallejector5266

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. I got some hype about this and bought TMUF on steam without realising 2020 was the latest game. Now refunded TMUF and downloaded 2020 on EGS, but I’ve found the whole ‘choosing the right game’ more difficult than it needed to be.

@maverick-_-hunter

2 жыл бұрын

@@smallejector5266 I tried a bunch of them. In my experience, the easiest to get into the single player mode is Trackmania Turbo. It's single player is very straighforward, it has the best artstyle IMO and is simple enough. Apparently purists don't like it so much because the physics is a little different and the only seems to be quite dead, but it has 4 environments. It would be my recommendation for those that never played it. 2020 is cool because it has free tracks to try, but I hate how it looks and it's very confusing to know what is what if you haven't played before. I think the best ones are still 2 canyon and 2 stadium, though.

I would still buy and play TM games today if they were a one time fee; play forever on Steam with workshop.

I feel a revisit could improve on the rating seen in this video.

Are u supposed to be able to play community tracks with the free version. Because I found a way to do it through trial and error. So the only things left to get from paying is cotd, clubs, and the good track editor.

Please stop making me want to buy games, or I'll actually end up getting a job. Err... on second thought, please keep it up!

Where is the skill share link?

@WritingOnGames

2 жыл бұрын

Apologies! It's there now.

star wars_metallica!!!

This sounds like a IGN review

Alright video but definitely needed more research. Didn't mention twitch or Cup of the Day even once which are basically the main drivers of the game's recent success. Didn't mention nadeo bringing in community members in for designing the last 2 campaigns either, the same is true for the e-sport side of things (which is also fairly important). Also confused about how it was difficult for you to find matchmaking players - takes less than a minute on lower to mid skill levels generally.

I do remember little me playing TM way back, it was a game I kept installing and uninstalling over the years and I remember how I was always interested in the game but also confused at everything UI related. Now I wasn't that good in english so it didn't help but every time I came back something changed and multiplayer was confusing so I wouldn't stick to it. What I'm trying to say is, yeah you're right if the game was simpler, straight forward with a normal menu, normal in-game server UI/options little me would probably have stuck a bit more to the game, maybe even found community in the game who knows.

I play TM stadium daily. It's better than 2020 in just about every way. It's a shame they decided to make the new one so bad, when it had so much potential

Putting Trackmania on Steam would likely help it gain users. Epic Games Store and Uplay are paltry in comparison to it, both in terms of features and userbase. I'm surprised it's still an Epic exclusive after two years.

So is TM2020 on consoles? Did a little search and it seems people have always been asking for it. If it's some kind of weird free-to-play model it seems a no-brainer to get it on the consoles and boost those player numbers.

@ClearwaterUK

2 жыл бұрын

Devs have said if the game does well on PC, they'll consider console ports. So far it's looking that way, but there are still a good number of issues addressed in the video that definitely need ironing out before if they want a port to be good.

@Mandarin9900

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClearwaterUK Well said, spot on!

Thanks for the vid

What is your favorite brand of dog food though?

This does not sound so bad overall. Yes, there were some bad development and publisher decisions, but it also seems they are not particularly close to completely ruining the franchise, so I am optimistic that this game will still be around, and decent, several years from now.

I wish Northernlion would start playing this again.

I've recently read a bit into the history of Nadeo (the developers), and apparently they've been making nonsensical decisions and frustrating everyone around them since they first appeared. From the ground up, their games are always weird - even things like UI being alien compared to almost every other game. Hell, Trackmania 2020 has UX design elements that more resemble an early 2000s MMORPG than a 2020 racing game. On top of that, why is Ranked mode in a racing game team based? I know that's how Pros play the game... but it makes no bloody sense why you would need to deal with underperforming players dragging you down in an online racing game. Oh and also... since the first days of release I still can't believe anyone thought the "cup" / point accumulation system was a good idea. Just remove it now that you have a ranked ladder for fuck sake. Your ideas aren't working, they never worked. Your games always went by on the driving, track design and community content. The absolute narcissism apparent in the history of Nadeo is confusing.

@Mandarin9900

2 жыл бұрын

>I know that's how Pros play the game The current world cup for the game, the TrackMania Grand Leage (Google it, it's offcial, check their website and all, it's by Nadeo) is not team based, but there are team competitions. But players shouldn't be forced to play in teams. So I agree, I have no fucking idea why there's no Solo-Queue for Royal and Ranked. Terrible decisions.

What I hate about the business model of TM is not really so much to pay 9.99 per year, which is really honest given the content available ( although you are basically paying Nadeo for content they are not making ...) but rather why they did it. Let's be honest, Trackmania used to be kind of a niche game. Then, came Zerator and his Trackmania Cups. It brought A LOT of players in the game. But for only like 2 months per year. That meant that these players just had to pay for the game and then come back every year for the new itteration of the cup without giving any more money. And with TM 2020, they found a workaround : the subscription. Players who play the game on a regular basis don't care because it's cheap, and players only playing for a few month during ZT cups have to basically pay 9.99 every year to attend the event...

Yes.

Can I add Portuguese-BR subtitles to your videos? Hi! I'm from Brazil and I really like your videos. I'd like to add Brazilian Portuguese subtitles to them. Would you allow me to do that? I can't without permission on youtube. Thanks.

love this game, but don't care for royal mode. Standard access is all you need and it is 10 euros a year which is nothing

Basically he’s saying why track mania isn’t as popular as Forza. Imo if you pay money to a shit company and give them incentives to keep making the game bad then ofc the games gonna lose people

I basically lost interest in TM after playing a bit of TM2, even though i have extreme fond memories of playing TM Original, Nations and United back in the day. It just felt barebones, with a terrible UI to boot and TM 2020 seems to have gone further in that direction. I don´t get it, escpecially looking back at how lovingly curated the franchise was back in the days of TM Original and Sunrise Extreme. It´s a real bummer to me.

A game with a subscription service, made by a company I don't give money to because they protect abusers. Yeah that's a no buy from me. If it was a normal game that I could just get a used copy of, I'd be down, but no way in hell I'm giving Rapeysoft money EVERY MONTH.

@ClearwaterUK

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to every month. The sub model is on a yearly basis, and even then, you KEEP all the content you paid for when your sub expires. I'd even argue that the content you get during your year is better than what most 60€ "AAA" titles give these days.

Trackmania’s subscription model was never confusing to me, and the discussion around it was super overblown by the media over the miscommunication. It’s way simpler and more generous than in most games.

@__goat__

Жыл бұрын

Its okayish for people that play it regularly, it's really unfair for people that play every few months.

watching this in 2022 makes me realize how far trackmania has come.

I started playing Trackmania Nations Forever again yesterday. I learned there was a new one and I was excited… but it’s not on Steam and I really don’t care for Ubisoft’s platform. I’m not making a ubisoft account and I’m definitely not buying into yearly access. That’s just bs. Trackmania’s dead to me. 😅

This game lost me on the monetization. Should have been f2p with cosmetics, or a one time purchase.

@JakeRayTM

2 жыл бұрын

Paid cosmetics would completely destroy the creative side of skin making in the game. The ability to make or use whatever skin you want, is one of the biggest assets in the hundreds, even thousands of big and small communities. Losing that to a severely limited cosmetic shop would be devastating.

hi, can you do a vid on supergiant games? they're my favourite indie developer. great art, established atmosphere in their games and engaging gameplay. 😊

I used to love TM in it's original and sunrise form even though they had horrible DRM and install restrictions. Then they had this nadeo planet thing for TM 2 with it's own accounts and installers and currencies all these other games lik the TM FPS that were going to be revolutionary but instead ended up as garbage.. the whole headache of the hub with accounts and installers turned me away from the series even though I owned all of the games there. And then the series became this ad infested FTP subscription game and I don't do subscriptions for games. Series has been dead to me for what, a decade now. Personally I won't ever play TM again either unless they go back to a one time payment for a full game that's just yours without garbage DRM, subscriptions, privacy invading ingame ads and third party accounts and software.

Why does this feel like an attention stunt from over a year ago because the game is in a very good place till now. Matter of fact the game peaked its popularity on 6th Feb, 2022. So no idea what you are talking about. I have been playing this game not as long as you but its been a year now.

eh... but i like the game.

trackmania, purity. Purina, dog chow 👀

First 😂 great vids as always... Haven't even watched the whole thing

I just can't justify buying or playing ubisoft games, especially if they're going to get revenue out of me with ads anyway. I'll stick with the trackmania I already own.

Unpopular opinion here, the subscription talk is quite old already, and they use it to make sure they can keep and update the game instead of dumping it after a few years, that should be a good thing. Also, it's less than 1$ a month, not saying it's nothing obviously, but I think it's something people need to know. Cheers, an actual happy game hunter

@WritingOnGames

2 жыл бұрын

The timing of this comment means that even if you clicked Reply immediately as I hit Publish, you could have only watched a maximum of two minutes of the video. Either way, I very much understand the notion of needing subscriptions/ads to keep the lights on (I say as much in the video). I also enjoy the game a great deal. My argument was more to do with whether I personally would consider the subscription worthwhile based on my own experience with the game's progress over the last year-I don't claim to speak for the community, which I'm not a part of (outside of enjoying the multiplayer and cool creations people come up with).

trackmania has never EVER had a good UI lmao

Royal is a useless and dead game mode

I game ads exist- custom maps 🫣