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@FetishonyoutubeURL

3 жыл бұрын

Can pls make a video on radiohead?

@achintobe5410

3 жыл бұрын

Make a video on the replacements

@Topazeification

3 жыл бұрын

Aphex twin and faithless please!!!

@hustler3of4culture3

3 жыл бұрын

That was a great story. Never knew that. I'm just a late comer being a vision thing fan. Sure I heard this song at the clubs, but that album was too much fun too.

@IJayAmLegend

3 жыл бұрын

They are great. Excellent music. What does it feel like to be useless, to live in a shadow? Think about that truth.

All of the gothest songs ever recorded were by bands that swore up and down that they weren't goth. "I'm not a pastry chef! Now eat this croquembouche I made."

@elysiumsexsmith

3 жыл бұрын

There's a reason for that. Goth is merely a bunch of people who took the sounds , ideas and visual aesthetics shared by a collection of unrelated artists and codified it into a style with rules. The artists who inspired goth aren't beholden to those rules. This is why self-procliamed 'goth' music is so derivative -- they're not being original, they're merely copying those who were. Apart from the likes of Robert Smith and Wayne Hussey, who seemed quite happy to regurgitate the same old shit year after year, the other grandfather's of goth have continued to evolve artistically rather than remain confined within the boundaries of a label created by their fanbase.

@powrxplor69

3 жыл бұрын

@@elysiumsexsmith Absolutely agree. The reason why Siouxsie, Bauhaus, The Sisters etc always bristled at being called goth (even though they were all instrumental in its creation) was because they were creating those records way before that term even existed, never mind a scene. It was the later bands that took all the stereotypes and not only copied it but then took it way too seriously, hence all the codified, derivative sounding stuff that's been around since the about the late 80s onwards. Now, some of those later bands were pretty good (Alien Sex Fiend probably being my fave of those) but it can't compare to the originators of the roughly '78-85 era.

@elysiumsexsmith

3 жыл бұрын

@@powrxplor69 precisely. This is the reason why I've never liked describing myself as a goth. I mean, I'm a black-wearing weirdo who listens to a lot of music considered goth but I've always remained on the outskirts of the scene doing my own thing. If you listen to my music, you'd be hard pressed to describe it as goth even though it's heavily inspired by the same same artists that forged goth in the first place.

@Saffron-sugar

3 жыл бұрын

At the time, I remember well, it wasn't cool to be labeled and categorized. It has nothing to do with musical influence or not wanting to start a movement. If we had said "I'm a Goth", then we would have been seen as posers. Everyone wanted to be individual whilst wearing a uniform. Even the Beatles, 20 years earlier, avoided being called Mods. Times changed, by the late 90s it was cool to be more down to earth and not take yourself too seriously. By then saying, "I'm a Goth" had a rebellious, owning the label feel to it. Denying it, whilst clearly being it, implied that you were both nuts and hypersensitive.

@elysiumsexsmith

3 жыл бұрын

@Claudia Solomon Hi, thanks for asking! My KZread channel has the stuff I've made videos for so you can click my name and it'll take you through to that or you click this link here: kzread.info/dron/8VeDYbCcHYK7rf_K9cnsEA.html ) My Soundcloud has a few more tracks, mainly demo stuff. You can find that here: soundcloud.com/elysium-sexsmith Bandcamp doesn't have much on it right now. However, I am releasing an album on Halloween which will be available on Bandcamp as well Spotify, Apple Music, Soundcloud, etc etc. (Bandcamp) elysiumsexsmith.bandcamp.com/ (Spotify) open.spotify.com/artist/0qQoP3Bs6iDZcnW570NFMR?si=VlENQMXWTTqaDd8TX1AuDQ I hope it's up your street.

What could be more goth than denying you're a goth.

@SubGothius

3 жыл бұрын

Being Goth is like being Cool; if you are, you won't claim to be, but if you say you are, you probably aren't. 😆

@nekocherry8161

3 жыл бұрын

It's almost the same Energy as Iggy Pop saying he "dislikes" punk rock Wich Is a punk attitude lol

@stephaneherringtoniowritin9180

3 жыл бұрын

Well actually...

@petermgruhn

3 жыл бұрын

@@nekocherry8161 I picked up on Iggy and Reed interviews. But badly executed.

@lemsolaris67

3 жыл бұрын

20 minutes for a shitty single, how many hours would be needed for temple of love?

whenever a goth dies he becomes part of the chorus of this corrosion

@Lengsel7

3 жыл бұрын

Haha!

@aboveaxis

3 жыл бұрын

HAHA best comment

@kansascitycomputers

2 жыл бұрын

what about Jesus ? How does He play into this equation ?

@Dharzjinion

2 жыл бұрын

@@kansascitycomputers Jesus is the lead singer.

@THEshaggyrogers

2 жыл бұрын

Guess the women just don’t

I remember hearing This Corrosion on a "modern rock" show one night when I was 14. Never heard anything like that before and couldn't believe a song on the radio could last almost ten minutes. Still love this song. I sing to my cats, except I change to "hey meow, hey meow meow". They're not impressed.

@casserolepancake1

Жыл бұрын

and now mine won't be either. I already go around the house singing "ich liebe dich my kitty meoooooow" to the tune of Marian and now you've given me a new way to torture them 🖤

@fiddleback1568

Жыл бұрын

You would like Shadow Project.

@DeaDiabola

Жыл бұрын

I do that too but all my animals love it XD

@michaelpost4023

9 ай бұрын

Get a dog.

@kratoleaf7619

8 ай бұрын

Ian Ashbury said on MTV in 85 that Sisters was one of his fav alt band and his distaste for Howard Jones and candy pop...Unfortunately Duffy wanted to go the simple riff ACDC blue-jean route, which were succesfull but hated by the base. If they never started in the Goth years, The Cult would be lumped into the hairband crash.

Gotta love how he totally disowned the Goth tag yet as a band they probably inspired more people to the Goth lifestyle than any other.

@artemusprine

3 жыл бұрын

It was the best thing he could have done for himself and "goth" together. Goth should be what they call you, not what you call yourself.

@chrisodriscoll3077

3 жыл бұрын

@@artemusprine Good point. That's true of a lot of bands. I think the minute you pigeon hole yourself into a genre then thats the moment a time scale is placed on your career. For example The Cramps are often called the archetype Psychobilly band but they never considered themselves to be that. Same with The Cure , who were also a go to for Goths early on.

@dman030

3 жыл бұрын

so true

@glennolson6505

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisodriscoll3077 and yet, with the Cure most goths (that I knew, at least) agreed: they weren't goth, they were just a band that a lot of goths happened to like.

@chrisodriscoll3077

3 жыл бұрын

@@glennolson6505 The Cure had Goth moments , either in their stylings or music. They also were well able to knock out a straight up pop song too. Either way great band.

Andrew: “We’re not goth 😒” **LA goths dancing to Temple of Love at every goth nite 💃🏻**

@alukuhito

3 жыл бұрын

They actually called it "Nite" there too? Oh, L.A. ...

@sqnkk

3 жыл бұрын

Also, the # of goth bands who copied Andrew's singing style...well...it's innumerable. If they weren't goth, they certainly influenced a lot of goth bands.

@drunkvegangal8089

3 жыл бұрын

Me, at 56 years old, dancing to "Temple of Love" whenever it's played; even on the 80s radio stations in the car, hands up in the air 'sweeping cobwebs from the ceiling', whilst hips gyrate in the seat :D

@KatBlaque

3 жыл бұрын

In LA, no goth set is complete without Dominion.

@Psiberzerker

3 жыл бұрын

The 4 most Gothic words ever uttered are "Uh, we're Not GOTH!"

My favourite TSoM anecdote involving line-up changes: Andrew Eldritch wrote “Lucretia My Reflection” as his tribute/thank you to Patricia Morrison. Patricia Morrison’s only solo album, released in 1994, was called Reflect on This.

@vixen4905

6 ай бұрын

The record company got him to say that. He loathed her. He went through with it all to get the money from them.

@DerekPower

6 ай бұрын

@@vixen4905 Mutual then 😉

@artemusprine

17 күн бұрын

​@@vixen4905 Well, hadn't heard that before. I do suspect that her involvement was intended to do little more than give the impression that Floodland had been recorded by a band though.

Patricia Morrison never received the credit she so justly deserves ! She is the one who journeyed to Germany so the sisters could be reborn !

@artemusprine

3 жыл бұрын

No one has ever rightly said she wasn't "instrumental" in making it happen. Eldritch just needed a hand to hold, wild and what it seems.

@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302

3 жыл бұрын

She did nothing only with her face on a video and album cover

@der_vicus

3 жыл бұрын

@@uvoikimovundutrauerblume3302 that's andrews version.

@whssy

3 жыл бұрын

According to his ace autobiography Wayne also travelled to Hamburg before leaving the band, a fact this video omits.

@ianetheridge496

3 жыл бұрын

@@artemusprine Kill the king with love is the law

Everytime Andrew says "I'm not goth", i just dance harder.

@xxtiaan

3 жыл бұрын

I saw him years ago in London he was tring to reinvent himself doing rap/hiphop

@mollyjones4165

3 жыл бұрын

I smile wider.

@MartijnVos

3 жыл бұрын

Was he the one to start the cliche that goths deny being goth?

@sachertorte1000

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartijnVos I'm pretty sure Robert Smith said it before him. And he probably wasn't the first.

@xxtiaan

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartijnVos That award probably goes to Robert Smith

This Corrosion is one of those songs you can never play loud enough. :)

@djrobotcitizen

Жыл бұрын

as a goth club DJ of 3 decades imho it should never be played. :)

1st rule of the proto-Goth, deny being a Goth.

@EphemeralTao

3 жыл бұрын

"No true Goth ever admits to being one."

@itskitty808

2 жыл бұрын

*jots rule down in notebook* got it

I used to play "Floodland" for my friends, telling them it was an old demo from Type O Negative.

@derekgilbert1752

3 жыл бұрын

Peter Steele referred to “My Girlfriend’s Girlfriend” as a Cars song with Andrew Eldritch singing. I don’t think they’d have taken offence to that joke.

@jimmytgoose476

Жыл бұрын

That's as funny as Black Flag playing ZZ Top's Eliminator to a bunch of mohawked idiots in a squat and insisting it was the new Exploited album 😃

@themadmattster9647

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmytgoose476 haha yeah for sure

@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262

7 ай бұрын

"telling them it was an old demo from Type O Negative." plot twist: you were basically telling the truth

@pestylenz7344

4 ай бұрын

@@derekgilbert1752 funny because the main riff from My GF's GF is taken from "black Planet" by sisters of mercy, whose video clip shows him driving a car lmao

Great stuff! As a side note, I've had the chance to chat w/ Patricia when she did a fantastic job playing for The Damned, and she is a very nice person -- as are all in the Damned. It's nice to encounter people who are sincere and decent folk.

@rabbitraisin

3 жыл бұрын

I randomly met captain sensible in a pub a few years ago 😂 I had no idea who he was at the time, but he was chatty and friendly and nice person lmao xD

@fernandomaron87

9 ай бұрын

​@@rabbitraisinThat sounds like i imagine him being under the rocker persona, same vibes about Vanian as well. Very cool guys.

Back in the 80’s I was at a club with some friends when this song came on. As the chorus rolled around, an impish Goth in our midst sang out, “Hey now, hey now now, please pass the lotion to me...” and from that day forward, those are the lyrics I hear when this song pops up...

@mattgilbert7347

3 жыл бұрын

And now it's all I can hear

@bluegreenglue6565

3 жыл бұрын

Oooo, catchy! I'll add that to my fun lyrics collection. : D

@fabgir2010

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad🤣🤣

@muskndusk

2 жыл бұрын

I almost pissed myself laughing at this!

@Muzzie0323

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattgilbert7347 Damn it, now that's all I hear as well. Why is that so freakin contagious?

We all need to talk about Patricia Morrison/Vanian more often. She was in The Bags, Fur Bible, The Gun Club, The Sisters of Mercy, The Damned... And even had a great solo album, Reflect On This. She's true punk and goth royalty!

@gwendrael

11 ай бұрын

I once came across a very old press article about how bad Patricia Morisson was treated by Eldritch and often badly paid, if paid at all. The way he talks about her in this video is so despicable. Great music, ugly guy. Patricia is still a goddess for me.

@vixen4905

6 ай бұрын

@@gwendrael yet I think she's hideous, and it's true that she doesn't play on any Sisters release. Her being 'in' the band was something upon which the record company insisted, as they knew a female would attract more attention, so increase revenue. That didn't mean Von had to include her playing, which he considered very poor. At the time there were far better female musicians who were also actually attractive, so it's a shame the ultimate triumph of styling over reality was chosen. She looks like the Angry Birds werepig, with a jaw like the Xenomorph. I think he was being kind saying she looked pretty, because she never has been, she just had the right image.

@unloveableandre

5 ай бұрын

And left Sisters because she was not been paid

@olavl8827

5 ай бұрын

@@unloveableandre She became a motorcycle courier in London for a while, saying that at least it paid better than being in a band with Eldritch.

@dpandcrspandvn

5 ай бұрын

Saw her play with Damned in Aberdeen in 2000. Was fantastic!

Wayne Hussey didn't rip off Marian. He's the person who wrote guitar for it, along with half the songs on First Last and Always.

@djrobotcitizen

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, thank-you for pointing that out. The Mission's albums are musically the continuation of SoM's "First & Last & Always". ...

@alexblock5301

3 жыл бұрын

Worth noting that the Mission sometimes combine "Marian" and "Wasteland" live. I guess Hussey is aware of the similarities

@martinbradley791

3 жыл бұрын

A poor documentary full of inaccuracies.

@egodreas

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, he doesn't claim that Andrew disliked Wayne's music, only the lyrics. And as a fan of both bands, I do not really disagree.

@dorianleakey

3 жыл бұрын

This guys seems happy to swallow any shit Eldritch spouts uncritically. Its bizarre. I dont dislike the Sisters, they are really good to listen to, but its not sophisticated compared to the Mission, or anyone really.

I aspire to Eldritch's level of pettiness. Not goth, not petty!

@darthultor6365

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing worth aspiring over

This Corrosion...it's like you board the song and ride it. You get off, but the song is still playing for eternity and you can get on again and again. 10 minutes+ of pure hard-rocking adrenaline and raw emotion. My drive-to-work song and I would sit in the parking lot, stereo cranked, fully enveloped in the song.

@jimmytgoose476

Жыл бұрын

Hard rocking adrenaline and raw emotion?!! You should listen to some more music 😃

He dresses like a goth. Plays goth sounding music. Using Aleister Crowley in his lyrics and names himself after HP Lovecraft's pantheon of monsters but remember now...Andrew is NOT A GOTH.

@N0die

3 жыл бұрын

perfect case made to illustrate he was certainly trying a bit too hard

@luxford60

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but he was already doing that when the Goth label was fist applied. Admittedly it's why the Goth label was applied, but that's his problem, not ours.

@laura_hunt

3 жыл бұрын

If I remember correctly, he chose the name "Eldritch" because of Philip K. Dick's "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch", not because of Lovecraft. EDIT: found this www.loudersound.com/features/sisters-of-mercy-i-wanted-to-sound-like-a-disco-run-by-the-borgias. "People say its’ a reference to Lovecraft and his ilk, but it’s actually a reference to Philip K Dick and his ilk. "

@SiiriCressey

3 жыл бұрын

He is a NotAGoth.

@marguskiis7711

3 жыл бұрын

Tony Iommi: "I never liked heavy metal".

I fucking love Sisters of Mercy. Most goths I know love them too. Oh well ahhaha

@leeh-xh1iw

3 жыл бұрын

And 54 year old non-goths

@Carey365

3 жыл бұрын

When I was a kid, the most important part of being goth was not being goth, unless someone else said they were goth but they had bad taste, then ONLY I was goth.

@orig6redwings124

3 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up! As a Metal-head & I too love SoM!! Another great band that never got the recognition they should've had is "Therapy?" from Ireland!

@falciferlmf148

3 жыл бұрын

@@orig6redwings124 Agreed Therapy? is an amazingly underrated band.

@saltpepper1894

3 жыл бұрын

truth! i got floodland the 1st day it was released. ever loving: 1959, emma, more, corrosion, TORCH etc....

The only thing more bitter was Christian Death. And yeah, nothing more goth than saying you hate your whole fan base. It made it more goth.

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 жыл бұрын

He's a petty little bitch, isn't he? I loved the Sisters but he always came over as such a pretentious wanker who really thought he was all deep n neaningful.

@t.n.3819

3 жыл бұрын

@@randomhumanoidblob4506 That's because he was (is?) a massive meth-head. He was probably a narcissist to begin with, but getting strung out on stimulants will really crank that up into megalomania territory (or psychosis).

@randomhumanoidblob4506

3 жыл бұрын

@T. N. The whole scene was fuelled by various forms of stimulant, wasn't it? The London Tube after the Slimelight let out was not a pretty sight, full of raddled goths strung out til next Wednesday.Fuck me, they were a bunch of posers. This was the point at which, for me, goth went into oh-do-fuck-off territory, all wankers wafting round graveyards thinking a bit of poetry made them intellectuals. Barf. Seems incredible that is the end-stage of something born from punk. There are some banging dark electro bands around now though - Hocico, Encephalon, Mindless Faith - that, to me, are far more connected to the punk roots. So it didn't all disappear into the vacuum up its own arse!

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

​@@randomhumanoidblob4506 Yes, he is stupidly petty. Ah, but he dropped out of Cambridge, that makes him FULL of hubris and self importance. In reality? Wayne Hussey and Craig Adams were the real talents behind FALAA. Not Fleetwood Mac listening Eldritch. Both have gone on to release numerous albums that have sold well. Eldritch bitterly bitched with his own record company for years, lost his voice and released nothing new. Total loser. But the few albums the band released until then were good.

@ninaj6051

2 жыл бұрын

@@t.n.3819 So "hot metal and methedrine" is from personal experience...

I love the idea of someone making an intentionally "stupid" song as a swipe at a former bandmate who's work he thought was shit, then seeing much more success with that song than any of his previous original work.

Can you do a video on The Chameleons?? They're an underrated Post-Punk band from Manchester

@1Atom12

3 жыл бұрын

One of the most amazing bands ever!

@ariloveshouse

3 жыл бұрын

@@1Atom12 Script of the Bridge is a top 10 post-punk record

@drunkvegangal8089

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! "Swap Thing" always produced a stampede to the dance floor. Consider The Mighty Lemon Drops too!

@1Atom12

3 жыл бұрын

@@ariloveshouse I think everything they made was so damn good, beyond top 10. The song Second Skin, I always feel like I’m in a dark and beautiful mushroom induced surreality when I listen to that song.

@juliohernandez9372

3 жыл бұрын

The Chameleons are criminally underrated!

Also, it is important to remember that Andrew did not sing "Giving Ground" or any of the "Sisterhood" songs. That was James Ray.

@drsyn67

3 жыл бұрын

And Janes Ray has been MUCH more productive in recent years... lots of great recordings!

@alexblock5301

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda wished Trash Theory went more into the Sisterhood. Alan Vega was also involved in the project. Apparently there's a "This Corrosion" demo with Vega's vocals but I couldn't find it. I did find a "This Corrosion" demo with James Ray's vocals though.

@SubGothius

3 жыл бұрын

For those interested, here's that demo version: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aZNm0Jazitqaeto.html

@ThreadBomb

10 ай бұрын

Yes, legally Eldritch couldn't sing on the Sisterhood releases because he was signed to a different label (though it's been suggested he did the speaking part on "Rain from Heaven").

@david_post_punk

8 ай бұрын

But it sounds like Eldritch, damn , i could never tell it wasn't him, wtf

It's only now 30+ years later that I realize just how funny Andrew is.

@mattgilbert7347

3 жыл бұрын

Right! It's like cabaret. He was always taking the piss.

Always enjoy your fascinating backstories. Whatever Eldritch thought about Floodland, or taking offense at the goth label, the discovery of that album informed a major part of my youth. The choral parts of This Corrosion still energize me.

@unkleenkil2764

3 жыл бұрын

Are the choral parts, part of something else ? Or were they written/preformed for this track only ?. Always wanted more of that sound, very very soothing and uplifting, then the guitar kicks in and becomes iconic.

@hanamoon5474

3 жыл бұрын

@@unkleenkil2764 From what I understand, the New York Choral Society performed the choir section. The production was multi tracked to get that "wall of sound" effect. It really is magnificent

@LotusOverWater

2 жыл бұрын

For sure! Singing along to This Corrosion is a huge pump!

Great video. You should make one about Fields Of The Nephilim.

@yorickcool4219

3 жыл бұрын

I second that request!

@railgap

3 жыл бұрын

concur! A fairly major early group.

@ascionor

3 жыл бұрын

True or not, I considered FotN part of the big three w/ Bauhaus and SoM

@MartijnVos

3 жыл бұрын

@@ascionor If that's your big three, where does Joy Division rank? I see them as the big four.

@ascionor

3 жыл бұрын

@@MartijnVos Hello Martjin Vos, when I said big three, I should have been more clear, I meant "Big Three Goth Bands". Without a doubt Joy Division is amazing, personal favorites being Digital, Disorder, and Dead Souls, but I wouldn't put Joy Division in the goth category because much of their music falls outside that classification. There were so many great bands in the late 70s early 80s that had dark brooding sounds and lyrics but wouldn't be proper to classify them as "goth". If I had to give examples of bands which made goth music but not necessarily goth bands, I'd be thinking most notably of The Cure or Siouxsie and Banshees. If you cherry picked albums and songs and only listened to them, they would be goth bands, but if you listen to more and more of their catalog, it gets increasingly harder to use that term.

Eldritch also allegedly stiffed Patricia Morrison out of her share of the money. So not only was she not allowed to do anything in the recording studio, she never got paid either.

@luxford60

3 жыл бұрын

And is subject to a gagging order, so cannot legally tell her side of the story.

@scottcharney1091

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't her voice on the record?

@dorianleakey

3 жыл бұрын

I reckon thats all a lie anyway. She played, he lied.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

@@luxford60 THAT tells you everything you could ever need to know about Andrew. Fucking hell.

@djrobotcitizen

Жыл бұрын

She posed for some photos and appeared in a video or two. So she was probably due something for that. It appears it was all a gimmick of Eldritch to have a woman in the visuals to suck in the young narcissistic females to thinking a woman was part of the music and so they could project themselves into it and like it more. And it worked.

I'd always heard that Eldritch was a wanker, and it's nice to have that confirmed but also hear his side of the story at the same time. Good work!

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

If you want confirmation of how much of a wanker he is/was, read Wayne Hussey's autobiography. It documents how Adams quit the band in response to Eldritch's treatment of him, Andy's reaction to him quitting, which was plain nasty, vitriolic, petty and unwarranted given Craig's long service to the band. That bitterness towards Craig was the last straw for Hussey, both him and Adams were being treated as mere hired hands to Andy's "greatness", where in reality the real musical talent resided with Wayne Hussey and Craig Adams. The speed with which The Mission's first album was brought out, its massive popularity in Goth circles and beyonf, and The Mission's meteoric rise to success so quickly says all you need to know about their musical talent. Meanwhile Andrew piddled around and took several years to get enough people to work with him to release another album. Who all subsequently left the band because of the way he treated them......

@FrostedSeagull

3 жыл бұрын

@@2112jonr great reply ! Rumours are that Patricia Morrison gave an interview in 2010 and a radio interview 5 years ago admitting she had been paid out by Eldtritch. Part of this 'pitiful pay out' was that she NEVER reveal on what songs she participated and wrote on Vision Thing; the payment figure which she legally can never disclose. However, Patricia said she would abide by her legally binding contract about non-disclosure on monies received and what songs she wrote on Vision Thing, after September 2021 she can discuss why she was unceremoniously thrown out of the "band." Patricia Morrison has legally looked into the matter and 30 years (yeah . ... can you believe it !) have in fact passed and apart from the discrete payout figure she CAN discuss what happened and why Eldtritch ripped everyone one off who worked on The Sisterhood:Gift fiasco, Floodland where he lied to her, she heard boastful re:compensation and received very little as she was naively trusting whilst Eldtritch pulled a Sharon Osbourne and ALL copyright, royalties and residuals went to the Gnome of Darkness. NOTE Both Floodland and Vision Thing sold millions of records on the then very lucrative US College charts. Rumours abound that these albums have sold up to 7 million copies world wide. If you're the sole copyright recipient this would mean a large revenue. Billy Corgan pulled the same stunt with the Smashing Pumpkins and that's why James & D'arcy hate him to this day.

@themadmattster9647

Жыл бұрын

I highly recommend the new book written about SOM, Paint My Name In Black And Gold, great book and I’ve learned alot

@jimmytgoose476

Жыл бұрын

Shoulda been called Paint My Name In Shit And Piss 😃

@zochbuppet448

Жыл бұрын

@@FrostedSeagull thanks, Nice to know you can learn something from KZread comments.

Moral of the story: Jim Steinman is awesome

@Bodyknowledge77

3 жыл бұрын

Bombastic fantasticness is many of his creations.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

He's good for certain bands. Didn't work out with Def Leppard, who have eclipsed the majority of British bands in terms of album sales.

@MarkSentMe

3 жыл бұрын

When they said Jim Steiman, I was like, "NOW the pieces fall into place!"

@atomiccritter6492

3 жыл бұрын

One of the best teamups in musical history though I prefer Dominion/Mother Russia to This Corrosion

Andrew Eldritch is a literature guy. Literature and languages are his passions. He should know of Death of the Author and just accept that his body of work is goth. :P

@mikepastor.k6233

3 жыл бұрын

He knows Lucretia. Well read sir..

@andrealopezdelgado66

2 жыл бұрын

Author doesn't matter when crowd takes the power over his creation. The crowd turns the craft of the artist into something that belongs to the crowd.

@fernandomaron87

9 ай бұрын

He just has this urge to be different and unique

I saw them a couple of years ago. Rock posturing galore, every member on the darkened stage wore sunglasses…. I loved every minute of it 🖤

This Corrosion sounds like a great band name

@waterandafter

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's been used.

@endofdays4003

3 жыл бұрын

There used to be a small punk rock band in Dublin, late 80s/early 90s called Testicle Overflow. I taught that was a great name.

@jimmytgoose476

Жыл бұрын

This Corrosion Of Conformity ? 😃

@skyblazeeterno

8 ай бұрын

a SOM tribute act could call themselves Sis Corrosion

I totally love that the same guy who played on Addicted to Love also played on This Corrosion. It just makes it that much more perfect.

Loved This Corrosion when it came out, I remember dancing care-free with 2 mates, fuelled by exhilaration at having The Sisters of Mercy back again, & by cheap watered-down Cider [God Bless those laxer, civilised, licensing laws which let us civilised under-18s into Alt.Clubs]- but I love the song even MORE now I understand the lyrics! Fair play to Eldridge 💜 Saw SoM recently, bit reluctant as I'm lazier & less easy amused now, but it was unexpectedly 1 of the best gigs I've experienced in 40+ years; SoM were on top form, & This Corrosion was an encore; a packed audience caterwauling joyously along together; thinking of it still makes me smile, & feel more alive.

I woke up this morning in a Sisters Of Mercy mood and here this video is. Thank you!

Wayne Hussey did write and obviously played guitar for several sisters songs including marian, so saying wasteland sounds like marian while Hussey wrote both songs is like saying Husseys guitarwork sounds like Husseys guitarwork.

@Morphstock

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the accusation was more that he was repeating himself.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

@@Morphstock No, several people who don't realise who wrote the music to those songs have made the same accusation. For real world proof, The Mission still play some of the songs Hussey wrote at their gigs, as Wayne has the right to play songs he wrote. If he didn't, I'm certain Andy would have slapped an injunction on him out of bitterness several decades ago. They're still playing them, so it's very safe to assume Hussey was indeed the sole writer of the music, as Eldritch wasn't a musician by his own admission, only a singer and lyric writer.

@Morphstock

3 жыл бұрын

@@2112jonr I think you're probably right. Eldritch certainly claims to have written some Sisters music including Temple Of Love (written before Hussey joined) although by implication he was acknowledging that usually he didn't write the music. I think it's well known by people who actually know about the Sisters that a lot of First, Last and Always songs were Hussey's work musically.

@themadmattster9647

Жыл бұрын

@@2112jonr Eldritch wrote some of the riffs including Alice but Hussey definitely took the band to a higher level. I’d highly recommend the new book about Sisters that just came out “Paint My Name In Black and Gold”

@risteardohaodha23

8 ай бұрын

Eldritch wrote the music for most of the early singles and EP’s as well as programming Dr. Avalanche and producing the recordings. Hussey and Marx wrote the the majority of the music on the first album.

Saw them in '91 (with Public Enemy (!)) - their stage presence did not disappoint.

@powrxplor69

3 жыл бұрын

haha I also saw them for that tour. Gang of Four was also on the bill, at least at the Miami show. The first time any vers of the sisters ever played Fla. Great show

@sz6734

3 жыл бұрын

Saw that tour...in an amusement park.

@thump8897

3 жыл бұрын

@@sz6734 Me too. Wonderland.

@liammcnicholas918

3 жыл бұрын

That tour didn't do well due to goth fans and hip hop fans not getting along

Peter Steele totally used to joke about ripping off the Sister's of Mercy

@alexblock5301

3 жыл бұрын

Interestingly the press slammed the Sisters for being a poor man's Joy Division when they released their first singles.

@vannjunkin8041

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexblock5301 screw the press wtf do they know? You know? I love them both for their own jam phrasing .. "poor man's joy division.." that's the 80s version of "trying to get likes👍"

@alexblock5301

3 жыл бұрын

@@vannjunkin8041 The critics were also saying the same thing about Bauhaus. All the dark post-punk acts that came after Ian Curtis, death were getting panned for allegedly ripping off Joy Division.

@vannjunkin8041

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexblock5301 .. and of course they sound nothing alike.. just because they were in the same musical movement. They said the same thing about Stone Temple Pilots ripping Alice in Chains, again nothing alike. . Not even similar.

@digitaljanus

3 жыл бұрын

One of my life's great regrets is never seeing Type O Negative live.

Amazing work. Well done.

Wouldn't Doktor Avalanche be considered s stable member of the band?

@nicholasromig5506

3 жыл бұрын

nah see, cause it's always been different drum machines.

@anarkie2016

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasromig5506 damn, even the drum machines couldn't handle Eldritch lmao

@nicholasromig5506

3 жыл бұрын

@@anarkie2016 would you wanna be in a band with a dude that resolutely disavowed 65% of his fanbase?

@depesci7133

3 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Romig Nah Avalanche’s soul was transferred between drum machines

@nicholasromig5506

3 жыл бұрын

@@depesci7133 haha, he was always there, eh?

Fantastic video on a great song. Dominion / Mother Russia on the same album equally brilliant.

@2.7petabytes

3 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree!! I’ll say that Dominion/ Mother Russia is by far my favorite from Floodland!

@KatBlaque

3 жыл бұрын

My favorite song

@unkleenkil2764

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.. One of my favorite albums ever, the one I go too when I'm down, (ahem) Apart from Abba, and boney m of course .

@digitaljanus

3 жыл бұрын

It's the first Sisters song I ever heard! My friend's older brother had it on a mixtape. Got me to seek out their whole catalogue.

@atomiccritter6492

3 жыл бұрын

@@unkleenkil2764 I will be controversial and say the non Steinman involved tracks are lacking. Its not a surprise that Eldritch took the Steinman OTT big sound attitude to make the memorable modern tracks Under The Gun, Temple Of Love (90s version) and the co Steinman latter hit More

What a great documentary. Thank you.

10:38 The Mission sounding like the early Sisters comes from the fact that Hussey wrote half the songs.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. And still play at Mission concerts many of the songs Hussey wrote whilst in the Sisters, as he has the music writing credit.

This Corrosion is still one of the most exciting songs to listen to. I can never make myself skip it once it's begun playing.

I have Lucretia and Temple of Love on my work playlist. Listen to those two great songs everyday.

Your New British Canon videos are always so well put together and informative! You should do one on Japan, a band that nobody talks about although they were right up there with Gary Numan in spearheading the whole New Wave movement. Their album Quiet Life from 1979 is a trailblazer for the genre. They have a very interesting history full of drama and conflict, and the members continued putting out interesting trailblazing work after their breakup in 82'. (Their singer worked with the likes of King Crimson's Robert Fripp and YMO's Ryuichi Sakamoto, their keyboardist Richard Barbieri would end up playing with Porcupine Tree in the 90s, etc)

The Sisters were such a HUUUGE part of my 80s goth girl life! 😍😍😍

This video seems pretty harsh on The Mission, but make no mistake, that first album is an absolute banger

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

Children, God's Own Medicine and Carved in Sand are brilliant albums. As is 2017's "Another Fall From Grace" - not often a 30 year old band can come out with a strikingly good album that the hardcore fans love. Reached the top 30 albums in the UK in 2018 - very respectable for a "goth" band in the musically diluted 21st century.

@death4metal201

11 ай бұрын

They still sound better live today than the Sisters of Mercy

@ThreadBomb

8 ай бұрын

They were never more than a mediocre pop band.

Great video. Odd that you haven't covered Killing Joke yet.

This is a work of art. Accent is like an 80s DJ and punctuation pitch rate an flow of speech conveys the info so well. Glad I got you man its rainy outside and I'm enjoying this. Temple of Love video is amazing.

Floodland is still one of my favorite albums ever. Temple of Love with Ofra Haza on A Slight Case of Overbombing is also a treasure.

Thank you for this amazing documentary. Sisters of Mercy was my soundtrack growing up as a moody Los Angeles Suburban teen. Know that you told me what it’s about. Corrosion Is now my Anthem as a middle aged woman in Las Vegas🥂💃🏿💃🏿💃🏿💃🏿💯💣

As much as I like his music, the way Eldritch's obsession with his former bandmates became a years-long preoccupation was kind of pathetic.

@Morphstock

3 жыл бұрын

He can hold a grudge against an ex band member , although he had nothing on Mark E Smith in that department.

@VinylGirlRocksxxxxx

3 жыл бұрын

A bit like Morrissey in that respect. Viva Hate!! 😀😀

@dorianleakey

3 жыл бұрын

@@Morphstock it was sad and obsessive and I'm glad he's dead. In fact, he should be dug up and shot.

@JH-lo9ut

3 жыл бұрын

The man is totally comitted to living out his asshole persona to the fullest extent. It's hard work but someone's gotta do it.

@azmike1956

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has their own form of inspiration.

I can listen to Floorshow on a loop for hours!!!

I’ve been waiting so hard for this band to come up in your canon. great as always. Thanks for doing what you do.

Two key moments in my life are the day my cousin's fiance gave me a tape with Kraftwerk's Man Machine on one side and Eno's Before and After Science on the other when I was 14, and seeing the video for This Corrosion in the basement bar of Posers in Georgetown, DC when I was 20. Listening to Floodland is like opening up a door to pure aesthetic, and I'm here for every bombastic, theatrical, over-the-GD-top moment of it.

@djrobotcitizen

Жыл бұрын

I still love Kraftwerk's Man Machine and Eno's Before and After Science but Floodland, I'd be very happy to see it erased from musical history or at the least to be re-released as "The Andrew Eldritch Project". OK it's good for what is is but it's not "The Sisters of Mercy." It was very wrong of him to re-use the band name for his solo stuff. Even worse with "Vision Thing".

I remember seeing SoM at M'era Luna in Hildesheim in 2000. And Eldritch yelling at the very, very goth audience that 'we are not goth', then getting annoyed that everyone laughed. Love em.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

HILARIOUS !!! :-D

I NEEDED this video!!!! Thank you! "This Corrosion" is such a BANGER and SOM one of my all time fave bands

Man, this was really well done, appreciate it. Never knew about the rivalry between the sisters and the mission, explains a lot though

Thank you very much for this. The sister of mercy have always been one of my favorite bands that I still listen today. 🙂🦇

"...So they don't have to deal with ANOTHER ego...."

Hey! I’m a huge fan. The way you gather info and create such linear focused content is so interesting and well done. I’d love to see a video on how Sonic Youth made a huge impact/ influenced the alt rock movement of the 90’s or anything Sonic related tbh. Thank you for creating such consistent content!

Awesome video I greatly enjoyed it! Thank you for covering these groups and genres:)

This band changed my life when I discovered them at 15.

I like this series, brings back my youth 😉 Could you please do a video about "Dead can Dance" 👍

@cbmx1x1

3 жыл бұрын

I second this motion. 👍🏻

@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods

3 жыл бұрын

third

@mikewilson3581

3 жыл бұрын

It needs to be done.

Fantastic video! Thank you SO much for creating this. I was a massive Sisters and Mission fan and never knew about all the in fighting!

Thanks for putting this together.It was excellent.

Bauhaus were pretty much over when the sisters were getting going. They weren’t really contemporaries. The Sisters took a lot from Bauhaus.

@drunkvegangal8089

3 жыл бұрын

Bauhaus took a lot from Velvet Underground and Iggy/Bowie. Everyone takes a lot from everyone...standing on the shoulders of giants :D

@gazfunk

3 жыл бұрын

@@drunkvegangal8089 I never suggested that Bauhaus didn’t have influences. They did plenty of covers. The video implies that they were around at the same time as the Sisters. The Sisters were a couple of years later.

@drunkvegangal8089

3 жыл бұрын

@@gazfunk Ah ha! You are correct in your timeline. Still, all pop music is a continuous web of devoted, loving thievery. Just ask Paul Simon ;)

@Saffron-sugar

3 жыл бұрын

The Bauhaus formed in 1978 and their 1st album came out in 1980, the year Sisters were formed. This does actually make them contemporaries. However, the Bauhaus faded from popularity (IMHO) after their 1983 Album and the Sisters did not come out with an entire album until 1985, almost 2 years later. I agree that Eldridge did turn himself into a Peter Murphy clone, for awhile, and was definitely influenced by Bauhaus. They were both very much part of the same, circa '82 , "I'm not a goth" scene.

@MFLimited

3 жыл бұрын

Saffron Sugar Absolutely. The Bauhaus only really had 5 years as a band, until they thankfully reunited in the early 2000s. Sisters of Mercy were Eldridge and whomever he could stand to be around

They were goth and pop. I don't know why you can't be both. There's no purity to any of these terms, and nothing is mutually exclusive.

@mdragon5536

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously one of the defining traits of goth rock is how fucking catchy and melodic it is despite the morbid subject matter

@digitaljanus

3 жыл бұрын

I don't even think goth is really a musical genre. I see it more like an aesthetic you can layer on top of other genres. Goth rock, goth metal, goth industrial, goth pop--EBM is basically goth techno/electronica.

@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods

3 жыл бұрын

True

Been looking forward to this video! Definitely an under-appreciated band. Thanks for making such good content🙏🏻

Can't deny it but the Sisters keep making there way onto my turntable every few months (mainly the early stuff)

We need a New British Cannon episode on The Fall! Such a great band, I know your video on them would be phenomenal as always!

@birgik

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

Hey now hey now now I love this song.

Man I am so grateful for all the work you do.

The first proper gig I went to was Sisters of Mercy at Norwich UEA in around 1985. It was absolutely electric. Packed out and quite an edgy atmosphere. Blew my tiny mind!

Please do a video on Madchester! Happy Mondays, Stone Roses, Charalatans, James!! You could also cover "Baggy" bands like Flowered Up, The Farm, Northside Alternative dance like Paris Angles, 808 State,. Grebo like Jesus Jones, Ned's Atomic Dustbin The small resurgence in the late 90s with Black Grape and Campag Velocet.

@EclecticoIconoclasta

3 жыл бұрын

I support this. Also include EMF with their worldwide hit "dooooooh"

@jaschul

3 жыл бұрын

...Pop Will Eat Itself?

@drunkvegangal8089

3 жыл бұрын

@@jaschul "PWEI" - sampling themselves! So much fun.

@rabbitraisin

3 жыл бұрын

Why was it called "baggy"? 😂

The whole Floodland album slaps

FINALLLYYYYYYY THE EPISODE I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR

Megalomania? Hardly so. Alice, Body Electric, Phantom or 1959 rather are minimalist arrangements. "We need to get inside your head, by any means necessary!" -That's what he is about, and these were the means necessary. Except for that rather doubtful quote at the end, a pretty good tale of the journey. It definitely captures the spirit of it. A journey that enrichened my own life in the passed 30+ years. A huge thank you to my dear Sissies for being there! ^^)

Thank you so much for this great video on one of my favorite bands!

Percentage of goth bands who claim to not be goth: 99.

@Wazulon

3 жыл бұрын

I reckon it'd be about 66.6% 😂

@FrostedSeagull

3 жыл бұрын

Nick Cave accepted Goth whole heartedly. Cave hated the VJ's who thought they were better than the bands hence he wrote, Release the Bats with The Birthday Party. Release the Bats is of course a piss take on the very early Goth scene with Bauhaus whom the members of The Birthday Party both laughed at, and, loathed. WHY - Cave and Roland Howard thought Bauhaus were a Z grade version of David Bowie.

If it looks goth and sounds goth it’s goth no matter what you “consider” yourself

@cbmx1x1

3 жыл бұрын

Hey now now (pun intended) - are you presuming their genre? 😉. If people are allowed to decide what pronouns they are referred to with, a band can decide what genre it wants to be associated with. Right? (For the record, I agree with you)

Good video. Though the change in sound after Wayne left is clear he took his guitar style with him.

@dewellhowell4348

3 жыл бұрын

That is exactly right.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on. Eldritch had to basically re-start the band after Adams and Hussey left.

@everythingability

3 жыл бұрын

The style was there before he turned up. He filched everything he could.

@royalslackest

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, so did Gary Marx.

@djrobotcitizen

3 жыл бұрын

@@everythingability of possible interest, Hussey's prior group, an early lineup of Dead or Alive, were doing the post-punk 60s-inspired gloomy gothic sound for several years before any SoM releases. Hussey's guitar work can be heard I believe on DoA tracks from 1981 to 1984; '82 tracks of interest include "The Stranger", "Some of that", "It's been hours now", "Whirlpool", "Nowhere to nowhere" ... It's the guitar style he continued with in SoM and The Mission.

Another amazing video. Thank you.

This Corrosion is a masterpiece - I got nothing to say I ain't said before, I bled all I can I won't bleed no more.

Eldritch's revenge would be breath taking if any of us understood it at the time. Flew over everyones head and all that thought and planning was wasted.

@dorianleakey

3 жыл бұрын

He spends a week, maybe a month on a lyric, and then its heard the same as something he writes as parody.

@corinnae.7877

10 ай бұрын

I think he was just fine with that, he pissed those off who it was intended too. And I find it both smart as hell and hilarious.

Thai is one of your best videos yet. Thanks for doing all the production spadework :)

Your channel is AMAZING. Thanks for these videos.

Oh I must have listened to this dozens of times, never paid attention to what it was about tho. Never knew it was basically a DIss Track. :)

Andrew listens to fleetwood mac, foreigner and whatnot. Imagine... in his mind he thinks hes playing music like Bruce Springsteen foghat, reo speedwagon but cant comprehend that it's dark and gothic.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've never really reconciled that with his music. Especially as Wayne and Craig were the rock fans, yet Andy finally managed to release Floodland. Weird juxtaposition of what he listed to vs what he finally produced.

This is awesome... Thanks for using my song "Inner Sound"... works well!

In the tone of Colin Grigson from the legendary band Bad News "yeah but basically we are Goth".....I can just imagine that conversation with Wayne in the back of a van and Craig storming out saying "that's it, if we are anything to do with the New Romantics I'm out of here".

I love your videos ❤️ Are you gonna make a video about The KLF? That would be a very interesting one.

They used this song so well in THE WORLD'S END.

@aytakk

3 жыл бұрын

Gary fucking King!!!

Sisters is one of kind. So original. Together with Cute they are my favorites!

The fact that he pulled up, made the charts and was like "Okay. Now we'll never make another album.

Unfortunate that Vision Thing was barely mentioned. Fantastic album.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, much underrated and maligned. Intense as hell.

@djrobotcitizen

Жыл бұрын

We then teeny goths really wanted and tried to like it when it came out but quickly had to acknowledge it was embarassingly bad and like "Floodlands" had no right to be released as "The Sisters of Mercy".

It's a damn shame that things didn't work out between Eldritch and Morrison. Her singing voice just complemented Andrew's so well - Truly a whole greater than the sum of its parts.

@2112jonr

3 жыл бұрын

And everyone else Andy ever worked with...

@cruachan1191

Жыл бұрын

@@2112jonr That's a common belief, but Adam Pearson, Chris Catalyst and Ben Christo (still) were in the band for years.