Nice video! Thanks for helping us out. I’ll be changing mine this upcoming week.

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

🌟

That’s really good to know!

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

Jason Campeau yeah, I was surprised to hear that

Great information..👍🏼👍🏼

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

adam is a smart cookie! I learn something every time i talk to him

Always go right to the source for reliable information!

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

you betcha! Adam is AMAZING!

@alanritchie9620

3 жыл бұрын

This guy is not the source. BRP is the source. I'm sure hes a decent small engine guy. And I'm sure his experience has taught him a trick or two. But his information is false on everything he has to say after the intervals topic.(read my comments above) Just remember hes a man with an opinion. It doesn't make him right. I've been in this industry for probably as long or longer than he has. It doesn't make me right either......I'm just pointing out a blatant untruth to the dealer only spark plug portion of this video.

Good stuff . I'll be taking my Blizzard there for service.

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely! not too far for you at all from Burlington

I bought plugs at the Dealer Performance NC in Valcourt Quebec where i’m from and where ski doo is made Well for my 600ace 2011 so it’s from the real dealer so , as told in the video I shouldn’t look at the gap it’s supposed to be good ? It was cheap 7$ each at the dealer

So is there a proper FP of torque for the plug to index properly?

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

skidoo says all plugs 20ft lb but you are not going to get a torque wrench in an etec - no room. If you still believe indexing is important, know that the window of success is a 270degree area to be properly indexed - the opening will never be exact to the intake and youll likely strip a plug if you try. If its in a 270degree zone of it, youre fine

How do you know what torque should be or is that what the washer does for you?

@mudbrats

3 ай бұрын

Ski-doo manual says 20lb ft but good luck getting a torque wrench in there so half an Ugga Dugga just so the washer is set. Keep in mind, the index area is a 270 degree zone facing the injector.

Can you take the crush washer off the BRP plug be replaced and put it on the cheaper plug and get the indexing to work when tourqued?

@mudbrats

7 ай бұрын

i wouldnt as that crush washer is likely flattened out

@johnny0454

4 ай бұрын

No, the washer is calibrated to each plug. If you move it to a different plug, the whole idea of having the ground electrode clocked just right in the combustion chamber is out the window.

Good video, I was stuck on the ice in the middle of Georgian Bay 1/2 km from my cottage because dealer failed to index the plugs properly on my PDI......

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

noooooooo

@robandrews4925

2 жыл бұрын

@@mudbrats yup…. I’ll respectfully not mention the dealer… honest mistake, they owned it, fixed it and all good

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

Your engine shut off because of the plug index? I call bullshit.

@robandrews4925

4 ай бұрын

@@DonziGT230 I'm afraid you are wrong, it's well known that eTec sled engines will not run properly if the plug is not indexed.

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

@@robandrews4925 Yes, I didn't realize this was specifically about that engine.

Do you have to index plugs on an 05 ski doo 600 sdi ?

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

The same theory applies as in this video

I know that the brp plugs don’t index the same . I had run into this and one indexed at 12:00 and the other one at 6:00 . If you take a plug that indexed properly and look at where the threads start on the plug and find one the same it will index properly, or you can do as some people have posted and bye a pay check worth of plugs.

@mudbrats

3 ай бұрын

The BRP index zone is a 270degree area facing the injector, so your 12 and 6 are 180 degrees from each other. Considering thats less than 270, you are likel AOK

So what’s the correct torque value?

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

oem says 21ftlbs but just enough to seat that washer

And you should explain why they have to be indexed

For the plugs to always index properly right out of the box, the threads in the heads and threads on the plugs would all have to be nearly identical; this seems extremely unlikely. Have you marked and checked the index on these plugs after installing to verify your theory? Also, which direction should the opening of the ground strap face?

@mudbrats

4 ай бұрын

Opening to intake.....The index zone is 270º area so to "Properly index" its a pretty wide area not many people realize, so your theory on exacting threads isnt important - the crush washer is.

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

@@mudbrats You clearly don't get it. No matter which crush washer you use, the threads will determine where the spark plug lands. I got curious after seeing this and did a little digging, MANY people report their dealer purchased plugs not lining up when torqued.

I'm going to have to call BS on that one. I'm completely familiar with indexing and the reason why that is a good thing to do for the best performance but unless the spark plug hole, of every single engine, the hole is tapped clocking the tap exactly the same way there is no way a BRP spark plug can be clocked (indexed) correctly every time. Can't happen!

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

If you are so familiar then you know the zone is 270 degree area within the gap for proper index spec. It ok to be wrong, we will still love you

So are those dealer plugs in the video. The new ones?

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

Yes - all the way

@alanritchie9620

3 жыл бұрын

So you are saying that the PZFR6F (7550) that I have in my hands on my non dealer shelf ......in the exact same box and have installed and sold piles of......originate from a different source than where a dealer gets them from? WRONG!!!!....ill tell you that right now. If that was the case NGK would make 2 different part #'s for your plug and mine........Legally they would have to. I've been doing this parts and service game for a long time. I dont know which dealer is spiffing him for making such false claims but I'm here to tell the public that its BS. As long as you are using that PZFR6F(1550 old)(6876 new) in the 1st gen 600 PFR7AB(1583) in the 800 ILKR8Q7(93819)in the 850 and new 600 (May be exceptions to the rules above so double check before installing) And indexing according to the manufacturers instructions you will be set.

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

@@alanritchie9620 This is a licensed BRP technician and a damn good one at that - he is not a dealer and has no reason to steer us in the wrong direction so belive what you want - I am buying mine from my dealer and you can buy yours where you want.

@mudbrats

3 жыл бұрын

@Alan Ritchie Dealer code for an 850 or 600etec for example is an NGK ILKR8Q so you using the PZF is in the totally wrong ballpark, sorry man

Just got two plugs from my local dealer… and they did not index correctly

@MikeHongisto

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

Yea, I find this guy's theory to be BS. For it to work as he says, the threads on the heads and plugs would have to all be cut nearly identically, and if they were, the crush washer hardness would make nearly no difference.

@Pontus95

3 ай бұрын

​@@DonziGT230its the washers thickness that makes the difference

Sorry, but disagree on dealer plugs will screw right in and be indexed! When motors came out needing indexed plugs it didn’t matter where we got them, MOST of the time we had to index. Also, if dealer plugs were already indexed, how come many times we would try a ‘dealer’ plug in one hole but not work in another. And we were a dealer! And for more info, DO NOT PUT EXTRA WASHERS on them to make them index, try a different plug. You put in a sparky with just the fingers until the washer touches, if it’s exactly opposite, or 180 degrees from where it has to be that one will work when tightened. I/we have already gone through a dozen plugs for a Evinrude Etec V-6 motor just to get plugs that work. Sometimes got lucky and six plugs for 6 cylinder motor, but that was rare.

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

Adam is a licensed BRP tech and has a decade of experience at a busy ski-doo dealer. He knows what he is talking about

@fishin11

Жыл бұрын

@@mudbrats sorry don’t sound like it!

how can you guarantee proper indexing by using that plug? the manufacturing process on the heads alone would require exceptional levels of detail to exactly tapping the spark plug threads let alone matching that to the manufacturing of the spark plug itself, and manufacturers aren't in the business of creating perfect clean room required built engines for most commercial uses. I'd be interested to see you get a few random cylinder head and torque them to spec and see how they index. no hate, just I just don't believe it at this point in time

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

Do you realize the zone for a properly indexed plug is a 270 degree area to the intake port? It’s not an exact science by any means.

@longboom25

Жыл бұрын

That's why there 25 bucks a piece

I have bought plugs from the dealer that had to be thrown away because they wouldn't index to the right position.

@mudbrats

7 ай бұрын

do you realize the zone of index is 270degrees - they dont have to be exact lined up

@reidgilker4473

7 ай бұрын

@@mudbrats yes I do,, I have had E-tecs since 2009 when they first came out, so i am well accustom to them, and this plug was really off!!

I found that they weren't very tight when they were close to proper orientation (marked with marker open side) had to keep going till tight as they'd go! Frustrating.

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

the zone is actually 270 degrees within the open end to be properly indexed. Doesnt have to exact match up

Plugs shouldn’t be arcing in the boots! If they are, replace your spark plug wires. Arcing only occurs with loose connections. A spark plug connection is designed to have zero gaps between the plug and connector. Electricity can not arc unless there is space. Dyno your indexed plugs vs non indexed. Guaranteed there’s zero improvement with indexing.

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

great tips

@fishin11

Жыл бұрын

It not necessarily performing better, it’s the fuel injector spraying/cleaning the plug so they run longer hence better in the long run.

@DonziGT230

4 ай бұрын

Yup. And replacing $25 plugs just because the replaceable cap is burnt is dumb.

You forgot to mention you gotta use a torque wrench

@mudbrats

Жыл бұрын

good luck getting a torque wrench in rhere

@jacobcrow1042

Жыл бұрын

@@mudbrats actualy impossible I swear

Show us..prove it. Well though out thanks. Trust me.

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I bought dealer plugs and they did not index right. Just saying. If your going to replace them Index them probably. You want the gap to face the injectors.

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

You’re not gonna get it perfectly lined up unless you use spacers. oem specs a 270 degree area For properly index plugs so it’s pretty tough to screw it up unless you have the back of the electrode Facing at the injectors

No offence but that's complete BS ...second time I purchase a set of plugs from BRP dealer here in Sudbury and have plugs that are 180 deg out of index even after playing musical plugs as well as max secondary torque . Just found out about plug shims(30deg) per shim. Thanks, but get the facts straight...hope others can benefit from this info. 90 hp ETEC = 2yrs max on a set of plugs as iridium tip gets eaten and gaps opens to .050". Cheers !

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

you do realize the index zone is 270 degrees... doesnt have to be exact to the gap. I think a lot of people think it has to be precisely lined up. The 45 degree on either side of the back of the electrode (90 degree area) is the no go zone. So you were in index area if you were within 180 of the opening. Dont call BS on this video when you dont have the facts straight

@wideback4553

7 ай бұрын

Sudbury lol. Dont go to BRP here. Go to Sturgeon Falls

Why index the plugs

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

it places the spark plug gap toward the intake for a better ignition of the fuel. Theres a 270 degree area for best performance. as long as the back of the electrode doesnt face the intake/injectors

You don't throw the plug out!! You spend $6 for indexing washers

@mudbrats

7 ай бұрын

Bingo. Great tip!

Sorry bud I call bullshit a spark plug doesn't index it's self. And it doesn't matter where you buy it from they all come from a manufacturer like ngk then go to all the other places just bc u pay more for the same shit lol

@mudbrats

2 жыл бұрын

👍

@AtimatikArmy

2 жыл бұрын

Agree, total bullshit.