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@LowellLucasJr.

Жыл бұрын

I'm really considering being a Patron. You've made great videos and occasionally reply to comments ( which I Definitely appreciate ! )

Superman is like crocdiles and sharks. So perfectly designed that it doesn't need to change. And stuff like this only further proves that comparison.

@Joecbg100

Жыл бұрын

Excellent analogy

@ginofrancejr555

Жыл бұрын

True

@samwill7259

Жыл бұрын

Also, he can fight giant crocodiles and sharks. Win win!

@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868

Жыл бұрын

I find this comparison really strange because there are so many different varieties of shark that all look incredibly different. Nurse sharks, hammerhead sharks, great whites, kitefin sharks, sand sharks, which one of these do you think is perfectly designed, and then I still am going to bring up that it clearly does change because of all the varieties

@Dragon_Moth

Жыл бұрын

Well, Grant Morrison said he is "our greatest idea in the history of humankind" soooo

Silver Age DC editors: "These alternate stories are purely imaginatory" Alan Moore: "Aren't they all?"

@projekttaku1

11 ай бұрын

bro single handedly destroyed canon with that one line.

@projekttaku1

10 ай бұрын

@@Superlad945 apparently the reason the silver age was named earth-1 was because of a mix, so if things worked out how they should've we'd be thinking of barry, hal and the entire silver age of dc as earth-2.

I never once believed it would be a permanent change. Did anyone? I enjoyed it while it lasted. I even collected the action figures based on Electric Blue and Red Superman.

@drewtodd4471

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know they made toys! Now I want them!

@panelsandbars1529

Жыл бұрын

@@drewtodd4471 There’s figures by both Mattel & DC Direct and they both look great

@damiandyer2930

Жыл бұрын

I had stopped reading comics frequently back then (I think I bought less than 10 comics between 1992 up to that point) Electric Superman is what got me back in full time. I thought it was going to be permanent, giving him a new look for the late 90's going into the new millennium. I loved the new look, I have no problem with the original costume but the changes were fine with me, even the N52 costume and the Rebirth was welcomed.

@powerbadpowerbad

Жыл бұрын

I hated the blue/red SUPES,but,I always was a self-righteous prick. LOL. At least that's what my sgts told me in the army. LOL.And I told them they tin-plated,wind-up toy soldiers with a GOD complex. OUCH.I even got into a fight with my platoon sgt,we didn't like each other. I WON the FIGHT. LOL.

@the_filthy_macgyver

10 ай бұрын

I enjoyed the series, but I knew we'd see the true super suit again.

“Superman Blue: Electric Bluegaloo” was certainly an interesting time for the character.

*Fun fact:* The original Red and Blue Superman would re-appear in a cameo during the "Infinite Crisis" event, along with other forgotten Silver Age characters like the original Crime Syndicate, when Alexander Luthor tries to restore the original Multiverse

@bearerofbadnews1375

Жыл бұрын

Red and blue superman also appeared in an episode of “Justice League action” cartoon. Along with red and blue Batman, Wonder Woman, and Lex Luther. Unfortunately no red and blue green arrow though.

@DrLynch2009

Жыл бұрын

It also was used during the Tomasi/Gleason run on Superman to pull an anti-One More to fix the New 52 Superman shit show.

@andrewkind2820

Жыл бұрын

Infinite Crisis was in 2005

@nicholasleon787

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewkind2820 I though infinite crisis was 2006

@projekttaku1

11 ай бұрын

@@DrLynch2009 if they were going to fuse pre and post new 52 superman anyways, why bother killing off new 52 superman and replacing him with post-crisis superman? Just have the red and blue fusion happen before the death of new 52 superman story.

I understand the pushback against it, but i really like the powers and costume of superman blue, he looks amazing. Truly design at its finest.

@andyhannon255

10 ай бұрын

I want Superman to look like Superman. But as a look, I love it Got no issue with someone else having it :)

I would like to be a fly on the wall for those annual superman meetings.

I've always thought that the switch to Electric Blue Superman was a rather random and strange choice, so I really appreciate the explanation behind the change. Great video!

I feel that most of the regular writers on Superman, like Dan Jurgens, Karl Kesel and Louise Simonson, didn't know what to do with Superman Blue. The only writer who impressed me during this period was Grant Morrison on JLA. Not only did Morrison figure out a plausible way for Superman Blue to move the Moon, but in a story set during JLA #5, published in JLA Secret File #1, Morrison had Superman Blue audition for the League. In this audition Superman Blue shows off just what Morrison felt could be done in interesting ways with this power set.

@ericjohnson9623

Жыл бұрын

Which is hilarious because the other folks were the ones in on the meeting deciding it, and Morrison was basically just dumped with the idea and told to make it work. I enjoy JLA, but there is a disjointed-ness for me due to editorial decisions and status quo shifts: okay Superman's blue now, okay he's back to normal but Wonder Woman is now Hippolyta cause Diana's dead, okay you're used to Connor Hawke and Aztek, well they're gone and now we have Plastic Man, Huntress and the New Gods. I loved a lot of the individual storylines and big ideas, but I don't think it ever amounted to more than just a collection of cool moments. I'd put it mid tier Morrison, which is still miles above most comic writers' best stories.

I feel that, despite it not working well for Superman, it’s worked pretty well with all the other characters it’s been given to. Lana as Superwoman was fun. Jon having electric blue powers makes him stand out a bit from his dad. Livewire using the blue suit is also neat. I know there’s people who love Red and Blue for Clark, but imo it’s fine if it’s just a phase for him.

The story "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" is definitely one of the best and most emotional comic book stories ever written. Alan Moore paid a magnificent final tribute to the dying Silver Age's continuity by deconstructing the silly tropes of that era in the same style he would use years later while writing Watchmen, showing us an emotionally broken and utterly powerless Superman uncapable of stopping the sudden tragedies that are affecting him and his loved ones, and the villains acting in a much darker way than their Comic Code Authority politically correct versions. Apart from that, the fact Silver Age Superman author Curt Swan himself made the art of this final classic story makes the experience much more emotional. This story is so satisfying and conclusive that it makes the last episode of Dragon Ball GT look like Lost in comparison.

@porassrivastava8242

Жыл бұрын

Man fucking hate gt but each time i see the scene of kid goku napping on the dragon I just wanna burst into tears.

@projekttaku1

11 ай бұрын

gt's a series of wasted potential but damn if that ending doesn't conclude dragon ball (not gt, gt didn't do anything to improve that ending) in the best way possible. Also, I love how WHTTMOT? manages to make a "Imaginary story" possibly canon with the line "this is an imaginary story, but aren't they all?" Its easily the best ending for silver age superman and maybe the best superman ending ever.

I vividly remember blue suit superman, not because i was reading comics then, but just because of how much it seemed to impact things. I remember seeing Blue everywhere. Truthfully i never knew anything about it besides the costume. Personally I really liked it, but the justification and result seems very one note. Blue as his own character with interesting adventures and antagonists would be cool, just have the S as a similar justification as Steel.

I have a few Superman Blue comics and I always considered them weird, till recently I still thought they were located in another earth.

I loved this period, the additions and drawbacks to his powers were a fun wrinkle and wound up a refreshing change that actually enhanced my appreciation for the classic form. Bringing it back every once in a while can be fun.

This may sound weird but I actually liked the new Superman. It's just when they gave him a red counterpart that got a little weird.

@xxxjordandangerouslyxxx

Жыл бұрын

🦸🏻‍♂️Yeah Red and blue version was confusing and I own them😂

@Mike_oliver1313

Жыл бұрын

Yea that’s really weird and your in the minority mean

@dn22pkkdd476

Жыл бұрын

You are a man of class and taste.

@LowellLucasJr.

Жыл бұрын

@@dn22pkkdd476 I know it's popular to hate a new concept on an established idea but If Its something I like, I'll always share my enjoyment of it . Nothing's ever gonna change my honesty on that .

@themaker2149

Жыл бұрын

I actually liked it too

I loved Superman Blue. I never for a moment though it would be the new status quo forever, and I greatly enjoyed Superman having to think of ways of using his new esoteric powers to save people after years of being used to his original power set. There's a good reason I remember WAY more stories from this era than from the ones immediately preceding and/or following it.

Can't wait for your video on Superman: Ruby and Sapphire

Playing "Resonance" and "If I'm Wrong" - you know how to get me to love a video, Owen!

@OwenLikesComics

Жыл бұрын

Did I choose to use exclusively electronic music for a video on Electric Superman? ... Maybe

As someone who only follows DC superficially, the Red & Blue era of Superman was very strange and I just let it pass me by. Thanks for the great video summing it up! It’s as though it condenses all of the 90’s comic book sensibilities into one odd storyline

Wow Owen. This video was pretty **puts on sunglasses** electrifying.

@OwenLikesComics

Жыл бұрын

😎

@IsaacAllison

Жыл бұрын

​@@OwenLikesComics Yeeeeaaaaaaah

Electric Blue Superman sounds like a gatorade flavor

I always thought that superman blue is a transition between a Kryptonian and the phenomenon that made Dr. Manhattan, and I was hoping Doomsday Clock was going to confirm.

DC has been dedicated to ruining him since TDKR became the recurring Status Quo and it was deemed that Byrne’ing everything about him to make him more palatable to people who never liked him was a good idea. Morrison’s JLA Take on Blue Supes wrestling Angels with ease proved that he understood the essence behind the character meant more than the costumed packaging

If nothing else I'll admit the design is pretty cool, especially that S logo

I like how Superman has this weird connection to electricity. Lightning can transfer his powers, That Livewire episode empowering a villain by hitting her and him at the same time. I think I read an issue once where he was hit by a bolt and it messed him up (but I can't remember which one and I was a kid, so I may be remembering wrong). I wish DC would make it an official weakness. Not just that "lightning hurts him" but more like it makes his powers glitch out.

I remember a news cast when they changed his look and they said it was an odd choice because the Superman S was the second most recognized symbol worldwide, after the cross.

I actually liked this and i feel like Superman should be able to transform into this version at will, whenever he feels it's necessary.

As a child of the 90s I actually like Superman Red and Blue. Would love to see it in live action someday.

I liked the Superman Red/Blue storyline, and never believed it would be a permanent change. The change provided some interesting stories something that is needed with a character that 85+ years old.

Superman Blue looks really cool though. Great video as usual Owen 💙

If "Superman Blue: Electric Boogaloo" isn't used as a tag line then this was all for not, lol.

I missed out on this when it happened. My mom was in the midst of a religious fervor and comics (among many other things) were outlawed. To me this seems a bit like when Marvel made the Hulk gray again in the 80s, which is my favorite version of Hulk. Sometimes changes like this work out, sometimes not. Maybe instead of splitting into two Supermen, the more he used his powers or if he turned the power up too high he'd change into Superman Red. Or maybe every time he turned his powers on he never knew if he'd become blue or red? I didn't dislike what I saw in this video, I'll look into it and see if I can pick up any trade paperbacks with Superman Blue. Thank you for the vid, I really enjoyed it.

I completely forgot this existed until I was reading an issue of Peter David's Supergirl where Superman Red appears

If I'm being honest the Electric blue Superman would be the perfect incarnation for a video game given that when he was in that state he lost his invulnerability Because he was stuck in a containment suit.

Only in the 90s could something like this actually happen

I felt at the time it was just the newest sales booster. We had just gone through the "Death" so even though they said they didn't plan to bring back the old look we always knew he'd be back. Once they got to the Red/Blue phase I thought it was cool. Jon Bogdanov drew an awesome electric Supes and I told him so a comic show.

Personally, if I had the task of majorly shaking up superman, I would've had conner kent become the new superman (kind of like knightfall). Clark's ability to discharge solar energy from his body expands beyond his eyes and during a battle he looses control, releasing all his solar energy at once and destroying a city, also depowering him for a short while. Devastated, clark decides to leave earth to master his new powers and passes on the mantle to conner, with him becoming earth's superman. This way, you can break up the 4 superman comics into multiple different stories. Superman follow's conner grappling with his responsibility on earth, meanwhile you can have space adventures with clark as he masters his new energy blasts, able to shoot them from his hands like starfire, meaning that when clark inevitably returns to earth and conner becomes superboy again, you can still have a lasting impact by giving superman a new ability that isn't totally random.

This is one I've wanted to see for a while, and I wanted to read it for myself, but I couldn't find any collections or even a reading order online, so I'm pretty happy to see this one from you! My friend is not as into comics as I am, but he likes to watch comic videos about the history and whatnot. He has some physical issues, but he has a lot of Valiant and stuff like that. I know you're probably very busy, but could you possibly look into a comic called Hard Corps? He's interested in it and asked if I knew anyone who'd made a video on it, but I couldn't find any. Anyway, thanks for another great video!

I’m glad you covered red and blue instead of just electric blue. Ty for that.

I've never heard of Superman Blue/Red before seeing this video just now. This status quo change is fascinating to me

Great video mate! I remember when this was mainstream news in the UK and there was a whole segment on it on the News at Ten. I have their first comic of these somewhere!

I think that there is a character in the Superman Mythos that the Electric Blue powers would be perfect for: The Eradicator. It was originally a computer program, so it somehow surviving it's death in Coast City by turning to energy, and it taking decades to reconstruct itself a la Dr. Manhattan seems like a great way to bring back both the character and the powers.

Grant Morrison used him best in JLA, which kind or rendered Supes own books superfluous. Supes wrestled with an actual real angel. Hard to top that.

Loved this. Thank you!

Great video!

As a wise man once simply put it, "They Blue it."

The REAL truth about the 90's version of Superman Red and Superman Blue was the fact that the families of Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster were suing DC once again. This is ALSO the reason why DC created the New52.

Awesome video! If you do anymore about 90’s comics, I’d love to see some about the Walter West arc in The Flash or the Hippolyta as Wonder Woman arc.

Excellent video review i understand why grant Morrison has been so adimant with change especially when it came to superman but un his jla run he was able to have superman blue use his powers in interesting ways

Thank you for making this video. I always have seen this around, but never could make sense of it. Just that this is the coolest looking Superman I have ever seen. Now I see the correlation to SSJ4 Goku and Superman Blue. Aesthetically cool concepts with loads of potential from the 90s that writers give to everyone for sale boosts, poor story execution that makes their stay underwhelming. Personally, I see a lot of fun potential with the light spectrum powers and abilities, especially since Clark has been showing more bio-electricity recently. Clark struggling as he learns to control. Even the rivalry between Red and Blue. There should be a universe where this is permanent change. On top of my head. The Blue and Red rivalry could be rebooted and expanded by tieing it with Clark's half brother Tal-Rho aka Morgan Edge, who was recently introduced in the CW's Superman and Lois. This could be used to highlight them as foils, but also for Tal-Rho's redemption arc becoming a Superman, maybe ending with a Heroic sacrifice that ultimately returns the status quo. They could have a brother rivalry as they teach themselves how to use the abillities and inadvertenly helping each other with aspects they are struggling with or just hadn't ocured to them as chances for familial bonding and reconciliation. Superman Blue taking notes from My Adventures with Superman, where we can really focus on Superman's struggle as he learns these new abilities inside and out through lots of trials and errors. Also, as an extenstion of the Bio-Electricity. Livewire could be the villain to fit with the theme who is drowning herself in the power like a drug. Maybe when Superman Blue starts going down a negative story arc he becomes Superman Red before eventually evening out. A story not simply about responsibility, but everything Superman. Truth of the matter, justice are the consequences of mistakes made both willingly and unwillingly, and hope for a better tomorrow as everyone adapts to these changes. Maybe plant some seeds for a Live Wire redemption or a chance to return back to normalcy. Maybe he even seeks the aid of Static Shock as Static had to figure out his powers on his own without a mentor, so acting like a mentor to Big Blue has character potential for Static as well. I also just like the concept of Superman Blue and Red marrying Lois Lane and the other marrying Lana Lang. In a way it could turn into a Ben Reily scenario where the doppelgangers develop individuality and having that explored with both main love interests would be really interesting. No matter if the Blue and Red Supermen emerge from a split Alternatively, both Blue and Red could be forms that are restricted to different aspects of Superman's powersets. Doesn't matter if the writer goes with restricting the Light Spectrum to the 2 forms or it can shift from Light powers to classic powers. But I like the idea that this is a form that Superman places on himself, either to better control his power or place limiters on himself.

What a nice video. Loved it!

@OwenLikesComics

8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

Great timing, I started JLA a while ago and was so confused

Great video. I barely remember Blue Superman. Keep up the great content and thanks for another great video

@OwenLikesComics

10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much, Pat! I really appreciate that

I know I didn't grow up in the 90's when Superman blue premiered but I really enjoyed Superman blue I never thought it was gonna be a permanent change it was just something that was great while it lasted And I understand not everyone loved this storyline after reading it I've always felt deeply fascinated by this storyline Because of the fact Superman had electrical superpowers I realize that this story may not be as great as the death and return of Superman but we can all look back on this fondly and remember some great moments and elements that came out of this storyline

Great video

Very good video! I'll have to ask Karl Kesel about all this when I see him at Rose City ComicCon in Sept.

As a Superman fan since I was a lad, I loved Superman Blue. The costume change and different powers were exciting because the core of the character remained the same. I bought every issue of Superman Blue I came across. But when Superman Red came out, I was so mad that I tuned out completely.

There's one element of that year I'm glad you pointed out. I remember there being NO clear explanation for how Superman became electric; NO clear explanation for how he split in two; and NO clear explanation for his he was restored. I call that SLOPPY WRITING. I was also really bored by how they were doing year-long storylines in which virtually nothing happened in any given episode. It was like 1st-season ROCKY & BULLWINKLE stories that went on for 40 episodes apiece, except, at least, those were funny.

Amazing gotta love these 90s videos

I first read about "Electric Blue Superman" in an "Off-topic" section of an old Mega Man fan site a long time ago, with the writer basically saying "What were they thinking!" and they even cited the Silver Age story it was derived from. Personally, I have no idea why they even made the change, considering Superman's powers and costume were already iconic at that point.

They also incorporated the Red/blue Superman dynamic in one of his Rebirth titles. Apparently new 52 was red and post crisis is blue. They fused into a new Superman that had the memory of both

“Tell me what can I do? Electric blue.” - Icehouse (1987)

The best thing that came out of that entire arc was that when he went back to the original suit, I came with a haircut.

I remember having the secrets of superman's suits comic, and been so confused by it

You could even argue that what Dan slott did with superior spiderman by changing the fundamental character instead of the powers was more successful than electric blue superman, of course that could be chalked up to comic interest changing from the 90s to 2010s

I've heard about this Superman Red/Blue thing for years (hell, I saw a newspaper article on it when I was a kid), but never knew what the hell it actually was and what happened.

This storyline happened during the height of my collecting. I had every issue, and I HATED every one. I actually bought the variant foil covered Superman Forever because I was SO glad it was over!

I remember one thing they did during this arch that kept me interested was giving Perry White cancer. I cared so much about that storyline that I tolerated this bizarre chapter in Superman’s history

Electric blue superman still lives on as Strange Visitor

Great video, as always! As much as I’m a huge Superfan, I’ve never read Superman Blue stuff. It seems uninteresting to me for the same reason the whole Post-Crisis (80s/90s) Supes does: it’s too ashamed of being “silly” to explore the premise’s full potential, to get as weird and big as the coolest Superman stuff usually is. From what I can gather, we don’t get deep into how his new super-senses changed his perceptions and limits, a new Fortress of Solitude adapted to his new capabilities, new relations with Kryptonite, an Electric Bizarro Superman, or stuff like that. The Red and Blue divide could’ve reflected different eras of Supes, different power scales for more grounded/ more cosmic stories, anything beyond “angry one/collected one”. Could’ve been an interesting temporary experiment if it went beyond “the basic superhero stuff but crackling this time”, I guess

As a kid around 11 years old (when it was released in my country) I actually really loved "Zapp-Supes". Thought it was a cool storyarc and really got me into the comics more seriously than ever before. Around the same time No Man's Land was published in my country, so both my favorite heroes had a lot going on in their lives, which I think I could also relate to after arriving at high school (or our equivalent of that) and starting to get Into puberty and all that. Retrospectively, knowing what I know now it boggles my mind that this ever happened 😅

Love this storyline. So glad DC did it and would love to see a screen version of it (though I realise that's not going to happen.)

Also you should cover more Morrison like klaus action comics snd his batman run

In hindsight, the electric blue thing is kinda cool. It's just so '90s. The really awful part to me was him splitting into two, lol.

gotta say, as an 8 year old comic book fan that used to spend an hour every week choosing what to spend my £5 pocket money on, the first time I saw the Electric Blue Superman, I was blown away. It was cool

DC is the WCW of comics. “We have a sure-fire guaranteed money-making draw on our hands… how can we fix that?”

I remember Superman Red only appearing with the JLA in thr last issue of Conner Hawke's GA series.

When Electric Blue and Red Superman first came out, I stopped reading it. He wasn't even technically a physical being anymore. He was now living energy. I hated it.

I liked the stories and the Costume. We all knew it wouldn’t be permeant but it was cool for a little while. I also loved Jean Paul Valley as Batman, Az-Bats was my favorite 90’s redesign

From the little that I have read of it, I really like Electric Blue Superman. The costume and power change is cool as hell, and the idea that he becomes essentially human when not powered up was just ripe of drama and story potential

I remember purchasing the issue when he adopted the blue costume. I thought the design was pretty cool but somehow I knew it wouldn't last long.

Thank you for this video. This stuff happened right when i got into comic books. So this Version of superman was the one i got to know first.. hated it.

This is one if the examples of what mad dc polarizing in the 90s this and stripping wonder woman of her status again as well as killing the gl corps. I can go on and on

"...Sometimes you can't beat the original." Looking at you New Coke. LOL

I have the entire run of this change and love it i liked his new abilities, we all new it wouldnt last but this was fun to me.

An opportunity was missed here. For example, they might have had only Superman Blue revert to normal but kept Superman Red intact. That would allow the writers to have their cake and eat it too. Future interactions between the Supermen would be interesting as Red's personality diverged from OG Clark's. Oh well.

Superman: I'm blue da ba de da ba dye!

Fun video!

7:00 holy cow Godzillamendoza as a cameo

Id also love to see a video regarding the wasted potential and marvel forgetting nova's exists in general becuase sam alexander hasnt been seen since champions other than his appearance in marvel voices recently and rich rider hasnt appeared since marvel 1000 and annihilation scurge

the Superman: Blue trade paperback is actually a pretty enjoyable read

I quite liked the blue electric Superman, especially because it was clear this was not meant to be permanent.

Superman is the perfect example of "It ain't broke, don't fix it." A lot of modern Superman writers try to alter what Superman is and it always backfires because they "can't relate to him". That's the problem: We are not meant to relate to Superman; a God among Mortals. We're meant to look up to him as a symbol of hope and inspiration, a beacon of light in a world that's ever growing darker and morbid. We definitely could benefit from some high quality Superman stories now.

Gimmicky? Yea, 100%. It was the 90's we were kinda getting used to it. The design was cool tho. I was reading the new JLA book at the time and remembered being like OK, I kno its not gonna stick, so let's just have fun with it and see where this is going.

Have you already covered the Injustice comics? Jon is currently in that universe chasing Ultraman, and using and learning about his new, blue electric powers.

Superman Blue And Superman Prime One Million could solo most of DC And Marvel combined except against High Magic Users, High Reality Warpers, And High Toon Force Users.

Could you do a review of the Tangent Comics (better known as Earth-9 of the DC Multiverse)?

Weird, i loved the look of Superman Blue/Red ... and the story was thrilling for all the time it lasted, the stakes felt high.

This feels like something campy that someone will soon make very popular

@-Teague-

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see some new version of this