SO MANY “a diesel is more economical than that!!!1” comments from confused people. I said the cost per mile of the EV on this journey WAS EQUIVELANT TO X miles per gallon using diesel - I didn’t at any point say that this was a representative consumption figure for any vehicle other than the EV. Yes, it’s expensive. Yes, your diesel is probably cheaper. 🤦‍♂️

@ItsAllJustBollox

6 ай бұрын

They should try the same experiment doing 800miles around London in stop start traffic and see which one is the most expensive, long high speed runs result in the worse energy consumption on EVs and the best on diesels heavy stop start traffic reverses this, add in home charging and the EV wins every time. With most car use in the UK short journeys the EV saving advantage on these journeys offsets and extra costs an unusually long trip costs.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

Why would I factor in the cost of the energy at the start if I’m recharging at the end? That’d be counting it twice.

@fredjames9867

6 ай бұрын

You can only give a one sided view because that's all you drive . Ice people are most moaning about wait times .and see it as a impossible option in there day to day life .with the amount of money the car is losing they so ice as a no brainer

@davidwilson4468

6 ай бұрын

The public chargers by me in Finchley cost 69p per kwh. I live in a flat so would have to use public charging. at 4 miles per kw thats 17 pence per mile compared with the 15 pence my diesel costs to run. If you can charge at home fine, if not public charging is just too expensive.@@ItsAllJustBollox

@warrensmith4590

6 ай бұрын

The key thing I note. Is that electric is free from fuel duty. Once fuel duty revenue declines it will be added to either other tax or EV charging by road charging with total monitoring of where you are all the time.

I find it incredible that you can charge up and not know how much it has cost until you get the reciept. Petrol stations have the price on a big illuminated sign outside and the price displayed on the pump. No way would I just pump a tank full of petrol with no idea of the cost!

@martynmorris8160

6 ай бұрын

Tells you on the machine typically

@michaeldawson6309

6 ай бұрын

Yep as Martyn says its on the machine screen or on the app before you start. I use their apps so I am pre warned what they want to charge me.

@ItsAllJustBollox

6 ай бұрын

It tells you the cost per Kw before you start and when you finish how many Kw you have put in the battery its not rocket science to work out the cost, maybe its an intelligence test to catch out the hard of thinking.

@michaeltilney1298

6 ай бұрын

@@ItsAllJustBollox Very appropriate user name you have there. Have you watched the video? It is clearly mentioned that the total cost was not known until the receipt was sent (presumeably by email). That would be the intelligence test failed then.

@MrDAVIDATKIN

6 ай бұрын

Any person who has driven an EV for longer than a few weeks or a month who uses public chargers will know exactly how much it costs. You usually plan your stops on a long journey on Zap Map. It tells you exactly how much the chargers cost. You would also charge locally to full on a cheap street charger before setting off. I did the same trip in a Polestar 2 only from Lands End to John O'Groats.Knew exactly where I was charging before setting off and it worked out at about 12.5p a mile, cheaper than my previous petrol Seat Leon which would have cost about 15p per mile. If I did it in the Summer it would have worked out about 10p a mile.

People living in flatted accommodation and places with no access to off-road parking at their property are going to be reliant on the public charging infrastructure. This is where cost becomes the killer and a serious disincentive to going EV.

@Lookup2Wakeup

6 ай бұрын

The middle class EVangelist don't want to know about this ..... 😂

@paulbuckingham15

6 ай бұрын

That's when used Teslas become a serious choice.

@grahamleiper1538

6 ай бұрын

​@@Lookup2Wakeupwe do want to know about this and are the ones moaning about the cost of public chargers, especially public AC chargers. We didn't always have driveways you know. If you can't charge at home EVs struggle to make sense economically. If you can charge at home diesel struggles to make sense economically.

@stevenbarrett7648

6 ай бұрын

They already rely on public filling up....unless they have a petrol station in the complex

@MikeHarEV

6 ай бұрын

​@stevenbarrett7648 but with the extra waiting times, why would they switch. I'm the only ev driver in my streets of terrace houses. I can charge cheap at work. I don't see any of my neighbours switching any time soon if they are well informed.

Ill be honest ive only two more years, with my electric Cupra Born and i carnt wait tohand it back, ill never buy an electric car again

Absolutely shocking cost. Could drive from john o groats to lands end and back to john o groats for that price in my car.

@PJWey

6 ай бұрын

This is going to quickly become a situation waiting for a disruption, much like in the USA with NACS the Superchargers stand poised to clean up! Also the “spark gap” here in the UK makes electricity more expensive for sure, I believe.

Well done for not sugarcoating this. We all know that public charging these days is expensive. The plus is that most EV drivers normally charge at home, possibly at 7.5pence a kWh ( or 2pence per mile). The minus is that if you can’t have a home charger then you will spend more than diesel. It could be seen that this is potentially a tax on the poor ( terraced house, no driveway, no choice). Things do need to change as the costs are a legitimate concern.

@Kevin-dp1vy

6 ай бұрын

At 21p per mile that's 50% more than my 2.0 petrol estate costs me currently. Given that I don't have the means to charge at home and the cheapest public charger (of which there are only 8 in the town) costs 69p per kWh, I will be staying with petrol for the foreseeable future.

@wintersun398

6 ай бұрын

some people in Cambridge live in terrace houses worth North of £500k, but I’m sure many of those have swanky new EVs

@stephene.robbins6273

6 ай бұрын

the “majority of ev owners charging at home” is an illusion awaiting a reality check when a huge number of folks who cannot do this will be forced into EVs. Right now the EV world consists precisely of those with the wealth and circumstances to do this. 8% of the population.

@keelferm

6 ай бұрын

Rich people live in terrace houses too... particularly in London

@michaeldawson6309

6 ай бұрын

For people that do not need to charge every day the 7p tariff can be prohibitive for your normal house electricity. So for those the rate is close to 26p still ok IMO. However I agree public charging is well overpriced and I would only use it as a last resort. Its a big barrier to EV adoption

Excellent, balanced video. At present the vast majority of my driving is commuting that could be home charged but soon I expect the balance to dramatically shift, after retirement, to less frequent, but far longer, journeys, and those public charging prices would be unaffordable. The cost difference is actually greater than you estimate. I get 70mpg from my diesel giving a 700 mile range. Realistically I never need to use anything other than the cheapest local station... currently 142.9 pence per litre.A cost of 9.3 pence per mile. There are many reasons to choose electric but sadly, for me, cost isn't one of them.

@Lewis_Standing

6 ай бұрын

I get 2p a mile from my EV 🤷

@grahamjohnson4702

6 ай бұрын

@@Lewis_Standing EV bikes are not in this debate.

@Lewis_Standing

6 ай бұрын

@@grahamjohnson4702 7.5p charging, 4.5m/kWh = less than 2p a mile

@Kevin-dp1vy

6 ай бұрын

@@Lewis_Standing and my local public charger costs 90p per kWh with a maximum stay in the far park of 2 hours and it's a 7kw charger.

@ObiePaddles

6 ай бұрын

@@Lewis_Standingmine is half that price… but in NZ

Interesting costs and I like the points on how you could have made it cheaper but then faced delays by using other sites. This is what Lee found, it was cheaper but he faced delays because everyone else wanted it cheaper too. I've done a splash and dash at motorway services but only putting in enough to get me off the motorway and to a cheaper fuel station but I think if in an electric car that might be harder to do.

@manomano8939

6 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve done a quick volt and bolt but then you just stay and charge because you are already there so take the premium price on the chin.

Thanks, this proves The MacMasters point on EVs ..... 👍

@paulbuckingham15

6 ай бұрын

Except it doesn't .

@pipedreamtv9697

6 ай бұрын

Spot on, just a total ball ache from start to finish. I still say buy what you want, but don't force this way of life on us, we still want to make our own choices.

@frankelf3151

6 ай бұрын

It doesn't, people usually start from home fully charged allowing 200+ miles for extremely low cost. Then may use the public charging for 200+ miles. Most people don't commute hundreds of miles regularly and may only do this half a dozen times or less a year. For 90%+ of the journeys you make throughout the year it's cheap well within the 200+ range of the car.

@Lookup2Wakeup

6 ай бұрын

@@frankelf3151 Sorry, but you are in the middle class EV minority, having a drive & stumping up £1k for a charger to be installed. If that's you great. The rest of us live in the real world.

@ciupak7932

6 ай бұрын

Still bragging about "cheap" electricity... I can't get discounted diesel. so it's not fair comparison...and EVpush was about cost and "save the planet "

I'm still watching but your cat is the star of the show :P

Well this has confirmed something for me. A couple of weeks ago i did a 240 mile round trip in my mg4 which seemed to cost a lot because I recharged at the mid point. I thought it would have been cheaper in my old diesel Bongo campervan. Following this video, I calculated the costs and yes it is cheaper for me to run a 23 year old campervan barely capable of doing 35mpg than my brand new ev. At least I know now: if I'll have to public charge; use the old van.

@awestrope74

6 ай бұрын

If you did a 240 mile round trip surely the majority of the charge was from home (if you have home charging)?

@michaeldawson6309

6 ай бұрын

At the price identified on this video it would have been cheaper to use my Fiat Ducato motorhome which can achieve 35mpg

@bordersw1239

6 ай бұрын

Never saw more than 27mpg in my diesel Bongo

"There was a way I could of saved some money" - Yes you could of bought a BMW 330D - @ £1.53/L and I get 560-580 miles of range so I could drive from John o' Groats all the way to Birmingham before my first fill up up which would take 20 mins including buying a sandwich then another 290 miles and I`m in Land`s End - if I went in my wife X6 I get even more miles out of a tank.

Well done on taking up the challenge and your balanced videos. Our experience is even more dire here in Australia, and our trips tend to be a lot longer. I think there is some merit in Lee's assessment, backed up by some of your observations from this trip, and it will be a long time before EVs are suitable for a lot of people here. Add in the cost and depreciation of EVs over ICE and it really is prohibitive. Thanks again for the vids!

Thank you for your honesty and as someone who cannot charge at home or at work I will hold on to my diesel

Well done you have highlighted the biggest problem facing ev owners. The cost of public charging! I run a Zoe and pay 29p a KW at work which is the same cost as running my previous Dacia bi fuel! But I'm retiring so have managed to install an outside 13amp socket at my rented flat and will have to charge via a granny charger. 7.5p this means I won't using the car on long journeys! I could buy I hate being ripped off so I'm looking at using my bus pass and a £30 rail card for two or a coach holiday. The government can't lose all the fuel duty when we are forced to go all electric so that means road charging per mile on top! The end of personal transport for the masses is coming to an end! But least when insurance companies will be able to monitor your driving and charge you more immediately if you don't stick to the rules! I'm glad my driving days are limited anyway. We have had the best of our freedoms unless you can afford to pay a fortune to keep it.

@allosaurusfragilis7782

6 ай бұрын

Sadly I think you're right. That's the way it's going. Like you, I've had my fun and freedom and I'm retired now. I've got 3 kids...2 are in australia and are better off there, rather than staying in broken Britain. The one still here in scotland is not into cars, so he's not bothered. Oh well, I guess we had the best of it eh?

@jcfallows

6 ай бұрын

At least we have our memories ! Which is more than the youngest drivers of today!

Very honest video. Thanks for sharing the costs. 🙂👍🏻The next annoying thing is, when a high percentage of people have ev’s, do we all honestly think the charging prices will get cheaper? Of course not. Same as petrol they’re gonna rip us off. Just think back to the recent energy prices we’ve had. It’s horrendous. Same as petrol now. Prices are being kept high in U.K. always will be.

That electric charging and pricing structures looks like one big crazy and expensive puzzle to me. Im blissfully happy with my 33 year old VW Passat 1.6 Turbo diesel. 56mpg @ 60 mph. Its 25 gallon tank gives a range of exactly 1400 miles at 60mph. I could leave home here in mid Wales with a full tank and drive non stop to Lands End, turn right around and then drive to JoG non stop and still have nearly 200 miles worth still in the tank. I wonder how your Poletart or any other EV will be holding up when its 33 years old. My whole life vehicles cost just continue to get smaller and smaller by the day.

@dave6018

6 ай бұрын

I had to go to Tunbridge Wells from Preston for work and I was getting paid mileage, at the time I had 2015 1.6 idtec Civic, I averaged 78mpg, oh and the car is zero tax, motoring doesn't get any cheaper

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

25 gallons? That's over 100 litres. A VW Passat doesn't hold 100 litres.

@davidjones8680

6 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh The very early 1.6 Passat Turbo Diesels did come new with a 25 gallon tank. When they later uprated the engine to the 1.9 turbo diesel they reduced the tank size to 18 gallons.

@johnmcconville6055

6 ай бұрын

​@@davidjones8680Do you fill the tank all the time? Seems to be about 60 kg of ballast to me even if you are doing longer trips

@johnmcconville6055

6 ай бұрын

​@@davidjones8680Also what you said would require 17 hours of non stop driving.In reality you would stop every few hours? When I did my flying training we had a Cessna 152 with longer range tanks.Trouble was with 2 people and full fuel it was too heavy.But they recommended brimming the tanks every night to minimise tank condensation.They put 5 hours of fuel in it instead of 6,but even then it was very slow to climb.More trouble than it's worth.

Times money at an average of say £20 + per hour lost time waiting to charge, car depreciation at thousands of pounds per month and sky rocketing insurance costs, plus a new battery in about 5 years at a cost of £20000. Must be mad to consider an ev.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

😂

@grahamleiper1538

6 ай бұрын

5 years for a battery would be great. That's 3 years inside the warranty period.

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

Why might you need a new battery in 5 years when it has an 8 year warranty? Remember, it's a *warranty* not it's lifespan..... and if you lease, you don;t suffer any nasty depreciation shocks.

@AlanRambler

6 ай бұрын

Because the range as in all batteries will be halved in five years but won’t be under warranty for this only a major fault that’s not repairable. Good luck with that.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

@@AlanRambler”will be” is doing a lot of heavy lifting you can’t substantiate there - plenty of high mileage EVs around with high % SoH.

I know you don't particulally like Tesla, but they have got it right in terms of Charging infrastructure, cost, efficency and reliability. America has woken up to this and adopted the Tesla standard across the board (nearly). The v4's superchargers will be open to all in the rest of the world, as will the the entire network eventually so I don't see how the other networks at will compete on avaliability, reliability and cost.

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, in the UK, unlike the petrochemical industry, this supercharging lark is unregulated and a free for all. The only charging network that has it right is Tesla, which is why getting a Tesla is the only sensible option if you are considering electric.

@user-it7lf7kk8m

6 ай бұрын

Didn't vw have to roll out a chain of chargers in America to atone for their dieselgate misdemeanours? If the European and UK governments hadn't been kissing the EU and German butts , they might have got a similar settlement. But the governments presumably don't care enough about reparations for the people of their cities for the extra pollution they had to endure. They'd rather spend time ripping off their population with ulez and such, but let vw and co conspirators off Scot free.

Cat fell off the shelf when it heard how much it costs to charge on the road :)

Wait until they do away with off peak.

@stevebeever2442

6 ай бұрын

Wait until everyone is on smart meters then do away with off peak and slap duty on electric used for propulsion like they currently do with fuel

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

@@stevebeever2442 Trivial to circumvent smart metering for EV charing though.

@ohyesitsme

6 ай бұрын

@@djtaylorutube Probably stop your smart charger instead

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

@@ohyesitsme I don't have a smart charger. Mine's dumb as f*k. Similarly people could install a commando outlet and still get 32A or just use a granny charger. No issue.

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

@@djtaylorutube Exactly. That's what people will do if they try charging silly money for home charging.

Good, honest video. I've had an EV for 4 years and use home charging 98% of the time. I would charge in the wild more if I needed to but they are making it very expensive to really TRAVEL with an EV.

@kellyeye7224

6 ай бұрын

Horses for courses as the saying goes! My weekly round trip for shopping is 60 miles - easily possible in an EV. But a round trip to the in-laws is 300 miles (overnight a 'must' but no charging facilities at the destination) and to visit my brother is 'impossible' as it would take TWO days in an EV - one way! Unless ICE vehicles are a permanent possibility (despite claims to the contrary, EV battery performance has NOT improved to any significant effect) then it seems as if visiting relations is going to be 'banned' by default.

As someone who has never learnt to drive (in my mid 60s) I watch the other channels partly for the old cars and the EV but also the entertainment. I felt your video was very fair and can see that you could have saved money, but I always find that in hindsight when I spend money. I think the agreement is if you can normally charge at home and don't travel over your range each day an EV maybe worth looking at( unlike the people in my road of Victorian terrace houses) where if during the week if home after 5pm may not be able to park in the road let alone outside your house. I think a lot will change in the future some good, lower cost better cheaper batteries. I understand around half the cost of petrol and diesel is tax, so how long will the Government put up with 20% or 5% for home charging. We are all supposed to have smart meters and those who charge EVs a smart charger, so how difficult would it be to add different tax levels depending on what you are using the electricity for. From that I feel channels like yours and others I watch will be important in this time of change and perhaps sometimes a lack of trust in what we are being told. All the best.

@catalinomocea6986

6 ай бұрын

The government could theoretically try to tax you more for the electricity that goes through your home car charger but what would stop you plugin in to a normal socket and charging a bit slower? How would they know then? That's what I would do if they tried that.

@philhartley7564

6 ай бұрын

Changes in taxation are inevitable and they will be at a level to match or exceed taxes on fossil fuel and road tax. It s the way of taxation, it won't go down and as soon as EV ownership tips the balance (actually before it tips the balance) taxes will increase to compensate for loss in fossil fuel tax. Which is why I take advantage of the tax breaks, BIK benefits, road tax benefits etc while I can (I have owned an EV for 33 months) and save the money while I can. Before long it will be to late and everyone will have an EV without the financial benefits that are still available. I'm happy f everyone else stays in fossil fuel cars, the financial benefits may stay longer.

Great summary and I fully agree. Thanks for a clear and honest video. I’m glad to be able to charge at home, and would still be in my diesel if I could only use public enroute charging. 2000 miles in my Model Y charging at home is about £50, Vs about £300 for my diesel. I keep the math simple by assuming 45mpg, so £1.55/litre is 15.5p/mile (love U.K. unit chaos MPG efficiency and litres dispensed!!). For electric I divide cost/kWh by 3 mile in Winter and 4 in Summer. By this logic 46p/kWh is my diesel equivalent break even cost in Winter, or as much as 62p in Summer - it’s too expensive to charge on anything other than the Tesla network for me, but with 24000 miles per year maybe only 4000 is long road trips, so I’ll take the diesel cost parity (or maybe a smidge more) for the road trips if it gives me 3p per mile on my 20000 miles worth of commute, savings of £250 per month over diesel are hard to ignore.

As much as evangelists hate him, Lee (macmaster) shows the reality of owning and running an ev, he doesn’t hide anything or sugarcoat it & you get to see what the experience is really like from the perspective of someone who uses his car to travel around different places - outside of the normal range of the car and all that that entails in terms of costs, getting to chargers and they’re all full with folks waiting, or they’re not working, or they’re slow chargers etc etc & the costs involved! I don’t think anyone can argue with how poor the current charging Infrastructure is, things really do need to get significantly better if mass ev adoption is going to become viable. When you add everything together, cost of charging on public chargers, the poor current infrastructure, the time it takes to actually charge (assuming you can just drop on the chargers without having to wait about) then for me ev’s don’t make sense if you regularly travel outside of the range of the battery &/or you can’t charge at home, not when you also add in the ridiculously high initial purchase price of the cars too!

@oneeyedgirl617

6 ай бұрын

Let’s be honest, “evangelists“ is just made up BS to fire up the the base. As for Macmasters “ reality, “ if you really believe he has nearly frozen to death in it, locked himself in it, nearly had to buy a £40,000 battery for it, didn’t finish the JOGLE in it because of his mental health, had PTSD from Covent Garden to Worcester in it, and has to bear the massive depreciation on his Taycan, despite leasing it, then sure, he doesn’t “sugar coat” anything. 😊

I think your video was balanced. The costs for non home charging are eye watering. While a lot of journeys can be done within home range there will always be these longer journeys as thats part of life. The thing is that when doing these journeys EV owners have to think about things that wouldn't even need to cross an ICE owners mind. Life is busy enough without the charger route planning faff, the additional time and the cost. I very much hope i can end my motoring days in an ICE or non plug in hybrid.

My personal situation, in answer to your final question: Most of my driving over the year is home>work>home + evening use, which is easily covered by home charging at 7.5p/kWh, or just under 2p/mile. The weekend trips out, same deal, usually within 150-200 miles, covered at 7.5p/kWh or just under 2p/mile. I have family in Cornwall, I can charge there and they're just outside of my car's range, so I generally leave home at 100%, stop half way to have a wee, get a coffee and charge, 10 minutes max. This would be at 37p/kWh maybe 20kWh, about 70-80 miles worth at 9p/mile (because Tesla prices). Average p/mile is still very good for the overall trip. BUT, heavy reliance on public charging, especially non-Tesla public charging would clearly tilt the balance the other way quite quickly.

@ItsAllJustBollox

6 ай бұрын

Same here in the two years of EV ownership I have used public charging about a dozen times and charge for free most of the time.

@Kevin-dp1vy

6 ай бұрын

At 21p per mile that's 50% more than my 2.0 petrol estate costs me currently. Given that I don't have the means to charge at home and the cheapest public charger (of which there are only 8 in the town) costs 69p per kWh, I will be staying with petrol for the foreseeable future. Electric vehicles are just too expensive to run if you cannot charge at home.

@dave6018

6 ай бұрын

how much did your EV cost and how much is it worth now

@ItsAllJustBollox

6 ай бұрын

@@dave6018 cost a lot less and still worth a lot more than a diesel range rover 😂😂😂

@marcsroberts

6 ай бұрын

@@dave6018 loadsamoney Sorry, serious answer. About £38k in Aug 2019. I don’t know what it’s worth now. Less.

Very thorough and thoughtful piece. I'll be interested to see how pricing evolves over the next 5 years.

@chrissmith2114

6 ай бұрын

It will only get worse, your smart meter at home will know when charging an EV and adjust the cost accordingly, with a slice going to the government... There is no way that any government will give up car drivers as a cash cow, they are just waiting until more people have an EV and are trapped, they they will spring the trap, Your smart meter will get a signal from a wireless chip in the vehicle.

I have no home charging but we do have a bp pulse charger close by so we're on a subscription, £7.50 a month, 55p a kWh. Car is Ioniq 38kWh we dont do enormous mileage as a rule and the Ioniq has great economy so were still paying way less than our old 1.2litre petrol. We also have an Octopus Electroverse card but rately have to use it. No home charging, no problem here and the Ioniq is so much more pleasant to drive and travel in peace👍

my diesel old get 70mpg 970miles on a full tank at 90ish pounds

Well done for your honest trial!

You're on to something, using your delightful cat as your co-presenter. Loved it. And, as an EV driver who covers longish distances and can't charge at home, I loved it even more. Thanks so much!

Maybe that's UK problem, here in Finland we have prices like 15, 17, 33 and 35 euro cents/kwh, and there might still be few free chargers somewhere. Then we have more expensive chargers, but I never use those.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely does seem to be a UK problem at the moment, I agree.

@bigfist255

6 ай бұрын

Your home energy prices are also cheaper presumably .

@ouethojlkjn

6 ай бұрын

Probably probably because like so many other things. The UK is on regulated and the government is asleep at the wheel. No pun intended!

I would like to see you doing some videos with the Mac master and Geoff buys car

@alistairlambert3275

6 ай бұрын

Never wrestle with chimney sweeps, you might get dust on you.

I really appreciate your honesty, most EV coverage either unashamedly gushes over the positives our damns the negatives. For me the Byzantine mess of apps, cards and tariffs is a barrier - I don't have to take my ageing Mondeo to a Ford pump to fill it up (indeed, nobody's stopping me putting diesel in my petrol tank if I really want to). I live in a small, traffic-clogged city so cycling and/ or walking makes sense fit most local journeys, leaving the Mondeo for longer journeys so it's a 'no' (or at least, a 'not yet') from me on EVs.

Your honesty is appreciated. The extra cost of buying an EV, and realistically not being cheaper to 'fuel' than a petrol or diesel based on your numbers, adding to that the insurance generally being more expensive, and the wasted/inconvenience of time in charging, not to mention the monumental depreciation costs, I still believe EV's are not the answer. Even if there was a slightly higher cost in owning an ICE car, which it doesn't appear to be much, if at all, I'll stick with it. Just not worth the hassles of what I see EV owners go through.

If you are able to charge at home then the running costs are undoubtedly cheaper, however currently initial purchase cost and depreciation need to be considered along with servicing etc. I think the elephant in the room is currently the taxman collects 52.95 pence (+vat) on every litre of petrol and diesel. As people swap to BEV’s this “loss” will have to be made up from somewhere.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

Maybe, but I’ve never understood the “wAiT unTiL tHeY tAX it” thing - if you can benefit from massively lower running costs right now why wouldn’t you?

Your cat is magic

MacMaster was right!

I owned a Seat Mii electric for 2 years and only ever charged at home, mostly for 5p kWh. I could not run an ICE car anywhere near as cheap. I now have an MG4 which will be charged mainly at home for 9p kWh. So whilst I know (and accept) public charging is expensive, I know overall I will be saving hundreds compared to any petrol/diesel.

@gimble447

6 ай бұрын

@TankRock , for now!! We shall call this the “encouragement “ phase from government, once take up gets high enough the government will want their fuel tax losses replaced and you will be on different tariff for “automotive use “ electricity, only 2 things are for certain after all, death and taxes, then also your every move will be monitored too when they bring in pay per mile road tax for everyone, no more zero road tax for electrics, enjoy ice and electric transport while you can I say as this really is the beginning of the end

Great to show the detail, fits with what I find. 30k a year driving with one trip over 2k miles a year to south of france (where the electricity is a lot cheaper but still more than home charging) and several to see the in laws at about 250 miles return with driving around and last year my first staycation with a weeks driving around. Generally find that my monthly fuel bill has come down about £180 however February and August are a bit of a shocker. Probably spend no more than £40 a month on the road and £30 at home.

So many EV issues including depreciation are a uk problem. Here in Spain it’s a different experience

Doesn't this prove MacMaster was indeed correct in saying that EV's are great as run-arounds when your fortunate enough to own a home and can home charge, but as a replacement for ICE on long journeys they are not suitable right now, too slow and too expensive? They've marketed EV's all wrong from the beginning and given them a needlessly bad rep, they should have produced cheap run arounds and made ICE the luxury vehicles, not the other way round.

@dereknicol5284

6 ай бұрын

Unless you've got a Tesla which has its own excellent charging network at reasonable prices. Why is no other car maker building their own charging network, Tesla has set the example but nobody wants to put their hand in their pocket.

@declanosullivan8749

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@dereknicol5284That option is gone now as well Tesla sold the charging network to British Gas in the UK 2 weeks ago It will be an open network to all EVs Tesla exclusive charging is over sadly

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

That didn’t happen, I’m not sure what you read but it absolutely wasn’t that. EG Group (Asda owners) announced a deal to buy charging hardware from Tesla a couple of weeks ago, mind…..

@dereknicol5284

6 ай бұрын

@@declanosullivan8749 I think you misunderstand. Tesla are selling chargers to other companies for them to install in their sites, not selling the Tesla network.

@grahamleiper1538

6 ай бұрын

​@@declanosullivan8749Asda bought charging hardware from Tesla, for their own charging network. We have some of the worst click baity journalists on the planet in the UK. God forbid a headline tells the truth.

Thanks for doing this, it just makes the choice of keeping my 12 year old diesel Peugeot a lot easier for now, the public charging is so expensive. I appreciate you taking the time to do the job TV motor journalists seldom do. I have to say KZread is far better for consumer reports like this,; and are a lot more informative and show real life scenarios.

I don’t know why people thing public charging should be cheap. The companies building and running these sites have to get their money back for the massive investment that they are making and there are only two ways that this can happen. Either the Government pays, which means higher taxes for everyone, or the person charging their EV pays. Worcester University has recently opened 100 charging points at their site. They were awarded £3 million in a grant from the Council to do this. That works out to £30,000 per charger, assuming that the University didn’t put any money towards it. They charge (no pun intended) 79p per kWh for rapid charging, so if each charger was occupied for 24 hours per day it would take over 4 years just to recover the installation cost. Given that it is extremely unlikely that the charger will be in use 24/7 if we took a 10-hour usage per day that means that each charger installation will take over 10 years just to recover the cost.

What a lovely cat you have!

@entity_dragons2013

6 ай бұрын

Meaow pur pur

I did Aberdeenshire to London, and back, in September and I was £106 on superchargers. The more the Tesla network opens up hopefully a price war starts. According to my charge stats in the last year 88% home charging. Add superchargers for Tesla owners being half the price of other networks and I'm quite happy with my cost per mile over the last few years.

@dave6018

6 ай бұрын

how happy are you with your depreciation on your car? have you factored that in? or insurance costs?? i couldn't make the numbers work for me

@justgetatesla

6 ай бұрын

@@dave6018they only depreciate when you sell them. Can’t be as bad as the 2/3rds my Volvo S90 diesel lost in less than 3 years

@grahamleiper1538

6 ай бұрын

@@dave6018 I'm rural Scotland and parked off road. I pay £300 less for insurance on my Model 3 than I spent 30 years ago for a (far less quick) BMW 635. I bought a car new - it wasn't an investment. It's a car. It's quick and has some of the cheapest running costs on the planet (even road-tripping because Tesla). Why would I be selling it?

There are too many complications in travelling with an ev. The constant fear of being able to charge. Are the chargers working? The constant downtime involved in waiting. The cost, which you don’t get a receipt for ! To me, they are totally impractical. What can be easier than filling up with diesel or petrol ? A 3 minute task ! I will stick with diesel with both my car and van for ever thanks.

I was not at all surprised at how much your trip cost! I think you ought to have added the £120 for the car hire. Just saying. I do have an EV and use it only for local trips doing actually doing more mile per year than my oil burner which I use for long trips. My Pug 508 diesel returns 64mpg on a long run and would have done that journey on just less than one tank full at around £100, one way of course. That's around 8p per mile. In the winter (now) my leaf does about 3m/kwh normal driving. That means I'd be lucky to get 23p per mile at 69p/kwh once my home charge is used up. So that would be north of £160! I bought my EV never intending to use it for long trips and public charging anyway. I knew the high cost before I even thought about getting an EV however I have loads of solar in the summer so that is free traveling for me. Thanks for your honesty with figures because so many EV evangelists are not!

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

I mean it’s 10.9p a mile at £1.54 a litre, but yes.

Really interesting video, thanks very much. Very fair, can't really argue with your conclusions. The cost is really steep and will drive a wedge between those who can charge at home and those who can't. That doesn't look like being solved any time soon, so EVs are unlikely to be the preserve of everyone. The outcome of your critique of how you overcharged is also something that I can't really handle. Driving shouldn't involve constant maths. Just fill and go. Once that is fixed and at a publicly available rate that's comparable with charging at home (half the population currently marginalised), then EVs have a bigger market potential. Thanks again.

I have the Octopus Go tariff at home and use it for about 85% of my charging. When on holiday touring or driving to Heathrow from Lancashire I use whatever is available when I need it. This increased cost is part of the holiday and I want convenience, speed and reliability. When i had a diesel Juke I would use motorway service stations. TBH driving an EV is a much more relaxing experience that driving fossil car and for that reason alone I am not going to change. Thanks for your video.

So as the Macmaster said. An EV for popping to the shops and charging from home is ideal. For company cars/vans and people who do big miles, forget it. I had no idea that public charging was so expensive until the Macmaster started pointing this out, so this was very informative and backs up his claims. Thank you. We know that cheap charging at home is not going to last. The taxman will want his share as more people are forced/persuaded/conned into an EV. We are also seeing requests not to use high powered electrical items at peak times, so that won't be long before we are restricted to how much electricity we are allowed to use in our homes and when we are allowed to use it. Being forced into having to buy an EV by 2035 is frightening. The grip on our freedom of movement is tightening.

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

What makes you think you're forced into buying an EV by 2035? There's no such requirement.

@Sion_Jones

6 ай бұрын

@@djtaylorutube if you buy a new car in 2035 it has to be a zero emission vehicle. So after 2035 only second hand ICE cars will be available. People who are lucky enough to buy new or who lease will be forced into EVs. Simple.

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

@@Sion_Jones Yes but nobody is forced to buy a new car, subtlei know but that's the reality. From what I read in comments on various channels, the majority aren't buying new cars anyway and prefer £3000 cars? 😉

@user-it7lf7kk8m

6 ай бұрын

​@@djtaylorutubeyou are splitting hairs. If you buy new you will have to buy electric after the cut off date. Anyone who buys second hand will probably buy ice because second hand EVs will not only have the usual old car problems but the potential for an expensive battery problem. The older they get , the more likely it is to happen. If you have to replace the battery it will be expensive, often around half of the new car value. On a second hand EV after all the depreciation, the relative cost is much more exorbitant. Ice cars on average last longer before the final killer fault comes along . So you may get some second owners for EVs, but third and fourth owners? Probably not, it would be getting too much of a gamble by then

Thumbs up for the kitty! 🥰 Just wait until they start to tax EV mileage, and they will when the fuel tax revenue decreases.

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

The taxation on mileage will apply to *ALL* vehicles, not just EV's.....

@sirbum1918

6 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh What I mean is that they will tax EV's just like any other car in the future because they want the money they will lose on ICE cars.

Very good explanation of the massive difference in costs between home charging and public charging. I'm saving £2,000 a year in fuel costs because nearly all my charging is at home at 7.5p kWh. If I had solar I could save even more. Whereas for someone who is unable to charge at home, there are very little if any savings in fuel costs. The Government could help by reducing the VAT on public charging to the same level as home charging. (5%)

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

I’m not sold on a VAT reduction being the silver bullet - Dan Neidle/Tax Policy Associates’ analysis of this is pretty interesting.

@paulbuckingham15

6 ай бұрын

You don't pay any more at peak rate now. The charge point is a one off and will cover all your future EVs or multiple EVs.

@malcolmfowler8972

6 ай бұрын

@@ModernHeroes Definitely not the silver bullet but it would help. His main argument seems to be that he doesn't believe the VAT reduction would be passed on in full. But I know Osprey have promised to pass on any VAT reduction in full. Hopefully other CPO's would too?

@gavjlewis

6 ай бұрын

Would having solar really drop the costs much considering your high yearly mileage? Is the car at home enough to take advantage of it?

@mickinmerton8053

6 ай бұрын

why would you spend a grand on a charger then charge at peak rate? surely you would charge overnight at 1.5p/mile@@MrDead1975

Nice mic. The sound is so much better these days. This channel gets better and better

To sum up: charging is most expensive for those who can least afford expensive charging. Nothing new there.

Thanks Gary for a very informative video, I too was a bit shocked at the cost. We are lucky enough to have home charging at .075 per kw and a 95% home charging usage pattern, but there is no way I’d have an EV if we didn’t have home charging capability. And this is from someone who genuinely prefers how EVs drive when compared to ICE vehicle. I only tested an EV in 2019 so I could say with authority how rubbish they are, but was blown away and both our daily drivers are now BEVs! Keep up the good work 👍🏻

Totally honest and realistic price analysis. I am under no illusion that my EV will cost me considerable more when travelling longer distances and having the convenience of rapid charging, however it's the similar case for my diesel yeti - fill up at our local supermarket forecourts but accept higher prices on the motorway. Plus i chose a "compromise" EV - does 280-300 range in summer, 250 in winter but the vast majority of our travel is local and averages perhaps 20-25 miles per day. Foot in both camps enables me to take a balanced view!

You have done a very good job of carrying out this bit of research. It's a very important subject and I just hope that there are more membership schemes do become available but I do find it rather odd that the government does not have an oversight of where chargers (apparently there are 60 or so companies across Britain) are to be places because some areas of the country are very badly serviced. I was researching on the Octopus Electroverse web site the other day and it seems that the cost of the French charging system is about half of the charging system here in England. Form what you are saying it looks as if Scotland charges around 2/3rds of the English price. Again it looks like the tory's have been asleep at the wheel yet again.

Fair play on your 'experiment' and for not spinning the results. That 838 mile journey in my Volvo V50 1.6D would have involved one stop to refuel and would have cost around £105 at current pump prices. I drive from East Anglia to North Scotland to visit family on a regular basis and comfort breaks can be taken when needed, with the driving split between two, rather than being forced to stop for 45 mins due to the need to recharge. Until EVs can match an efficient diesel for range (~650 miles for my V50) and charging times don't involve sitting around for 40 mins or waiting for a charge bay to become available to start your 40 minutes wait, I will continue to drive my 'polluting' diesel ( with VEL rate of £0 ). Still cannot believe it only cost £20 a day for the Polestar!!!...

If you factor-in the overall cost of ownership, including depreciation, servicing, tyres, insurance and the inevitable cost of a replacement battery. it would probably be cheaper to travel by taxi.

@elbuggo

6 ай бұрын

Well said there!

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

Why is the cost of a new battery "inevitable"? The owner of the 10 year old Nissan Leaf, who took his car to a Gloucestershire based independent EV specialist for a battery pack refurbishment, had his pack refurbed in 4 hours at a cost of £500. The KZread video of the refurb remains here on KZread..... I replaced 2 tyres on my Kia eNiro a few weeks back. They cost around £20 more per tyre than the rubber on my last petrol car. Your post has much of the misinformation often seen.......

@stulop

6 ай бұрын

At what point are we replacing the battery? Will we have to buy it new from a dealer or can we buy a used one and get it fitted away from the dealer?

@elbuggo

6 ай бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Well, hard to evaluate these details. Simpler to just look up how long a car will last, or how long it drove before it was scraped. If a ICE car lasts 15 years, and the median EV last 10 years, the depreciation for an EV will be significant higher than for a ICE car.

I don't think the Polestar 2 is really comparable to a diesel car, more a high end petrol SUV. I almost never public charge and I often charge for free, I just know where to go and when to charge. Interesting statistics. I do think public charging is expensive. Your journey is not typical, most drivers would start a journey fully charged at home, and have one or two public charges on a journey. Overall my motoring is cheaper with our new EV than with our former petrol Focus.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

I think it’s pretty comparable to something like a 320d - especially in LRSM guise. Company car drivers and rental firms certainly seem to agree.

I have told many friends that if you park off road and can charge at home, then an EV is a no brainer for most people. Over 90% of my charging is done at home with only a few longer trips needing a top up of enough electricity to get me home. I feel that the Government and local councils have let down anyone without a driveway as they have been ignored. There needs to be a way for those living in a terraced house to still benefit from cheap overnight electricity. Only then is it fair for all. Rapid charging costs are crazy and not to be half the cost.

I think an issue that needs to be addressed is the VAT on public charging. 5% VAT for domestic use and 20% VAT on public charging, seems the government don't walk the walk 😂. If the network provider has battery storage, therefore charging the battery off peak and selling during the day, in the future, after capex is completed, we should see public charging become more competitive. You just need to look at the queues at Costco petrol pumps to see what strong competition can do.

Hi, great vids. I went from Ironbridge, shropshire to lands end and back again for £60. This was a few years back and was getting 90 miles a gallon in a fully loaded 07 focus tdci, 3 people and full camping gear + roof box.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

Come on now, if you’d said 60mpg it’d almost be believable.

@Dirt-Diggler

6 ай бұрын

Wow, I have fiesta tdci and on a run @60MPH I can just about manage 65MPG, and that is just me in the car, book mpg iIIRC s 75+ mpg.🤣

@grahamjohnson4702

6 ай бұрын

Now tell us the truth you w****r, you are not funny.

@devonbikefilms

6 ай бұрын

No, no he didn’t get anything like that😂😂😂

I like your cat! Good series of videos, well balanced and informative.

I regularly run from my home in Wales to Anstruther in Fife in my trusty Peugeot 3008 1.6 diesel. The milage is 420 (half your journey) My car does the journey at 47 mpg overall and uses 9 gallons @ £7.00 a gallon. The tank holds more than enough fuel for the journey so i stop only for comfort breaks. This is £63.00. For the technical i run the car at a 70 ish MPH and due to the high gear ratios (6 gears) of these cars the average RPM is aprox 2650 rpm. Its got 187000 miles on the clock and as with many diesel vehicles will cover many more miles when serviced and maintained. How could i even justify an EV, it's just money down the drain. Thank you for the Vid. It is excellently presented.

I am convinced that freedom of movement is the ultimate aim by making driving so unattractive that we all give up.

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

The government could not afford to have nobody driving. They would lose the £35 billion per year they rake in from the UK motorist in road taxes, vat on servicing and repairs etc. The jobless total would also rise by anywhere from 5 million upwards, due to the jobs lost in UK car manufacturing and the industries which supply it with components etc ( that alone would be 1 million plus).Then there would be the jobs lost at car dealerships, oil refineries, fuel tanker drivers, garage servicing workshops, car body repairers, motorway service stations, tyre fitting deports, road repair crews, jobs at places like Halfords etc.... Did you think it was just a case of getting rid of cars? if they wanted to restrict freedom of movement, they could do it already by restricting the supply of electricity to oil refineries and petrol stations....

I was expecting you to sugarcoat this. I stand corrected. This has been an interesting series of videos. Thanks. As you say, access to home charging for the majority of the time is the key. Not everyone will have this.

That is a huge cost for a car that is expensive in the first place! A fifth of people live in flats in the UK. That is a huge percentage who might struggle to charge at home. Plus anyone who has a house with no drive (lots of them too). This unfortunately seems like technology that is out of reach for a very large number of people.

I can charge at home and it's waaay cheaper than running an ice car and I really like driving the car locally. Road trips however are way too stressful given the lack of public chargers here in Ireland and the associated problems that caused us to cancel upcoming road trips We bought a new petrol car last Thursday (new to us 2022) which will relegate the EV to local trips and hopefully mean enjoying longer trips once more. However, we have found the public charging costs here (so far) have not been that far removed from costs of diesel in previous car, mostly a few quid either way.

And there you have it,Ev's are more expensive to buy and runand dangerous.😂😂😂

@marcsroberts

6 ай бұрын

Dangerous... Ok, we can ignore this one completely.

Fantastic series of videos....I charge my Model Y at home using intelligent octopus go, therefore the admittedly high cost of public charging has only a tiny impact on my annual usage, and is largely irrelevant to me and many others. You elucidate this scenario extremely well. Home charging an absolute must in my opinion. Reducing the 20% VAT rate for public charging would be a good start.....

I'm pretty sure that nearly everybody agrees that the fuel cost of an EV is lower than a diesel when you charge it at home, but the argument was about the cost on a long journey, when you're at the mercy of whatever charges you can find conveniently along the way, and you found out that it was worse than you thought. The two downsides of doing such a journey in an EV are the lack of convenience and the cost of charging. It's too complicated and stressful for most people, including me.

Regarding filling up on motorway services, I’ve done it once in 47 years of driving and I drive down to Cornwall and Hampshire quite a lot from Staffordshire. I’ve filled up on more services abroad than in the Uk as there doesn’t seem to be the cost penalty abroad.

Very clear and concise presentation. Thank you! In my modest, not particularly efficient 2016 1.6 petrol vehicle, I can still easily average 48mpg on a long run at 60mph/motorway speeds. That's around 14p per mile at current pump prices. I can't charge at home so if I were to trade it in for an electric car, not only would long distance travel be slower and prohibitively expensive, the huge environmental cost involved in manufacturing that EV would dwarf the emissions made by my vehicle over the next 10 years. If you already drive a relatively modern and economical ICE car, save the planet by keeping it on the road!

All the money you’ve saved on fuel will be just eaten up by the massive depreciation and the high costs of buying the thing in the first place 😢

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

Buy used if you’re worried about depreciation 🤷‍♂️

So, any government worth their salt, would be thinking about how to reduce the unit price of electricity long-term.....in theory!

@djtaylorutube

6 ай бұрын

You mean a government that had the country as its main interest and not themselves with their criminally corrupt back hander deals? I wonder what such a government might be like?

I've done 65,000 kilometre for a total cost of $30 using fast charges, the rest of the time I home charge with solar panels and Tesla PowerWall.

Again good honest video. As an EV owner in Ireland, how on earth is it so expensive to use public chargers in the UK! Those prices seem insane.

@alasdairfinlayson

6 ай бұрын

Because the operators know the people who've bought these cars under duress from the government and greens have no alternative , so they take full advantage,and bleed them to their hearts content

My experience of driving to Scotland and back using ultra-rapid hubs was that the cost was extremely high given I was using the base Mercedes no-subscription charge plan - I had expected that having checked the pricing on Zap-Map and the cashflow advantage was (using my Mercedes RFID card) I did not get billed until the start of the following month - only downside was that GridServe and MFG are not included and so it was a quite a big hop from Ionity Carlisle to Ionity Stafford However that is a once every year trip and your point about home charging completely turning the cost model on its head is correct with my Mercedes SUV costing less per mile than my wife’s Suzuki Swift when I charge from home

I have not yet bought an EV despite desperately wanting one and believing they are the future because I can't charge at home...there needs to be workable solutions to allow people with no off-street parking the opportunity to use their own electricity supply to charge their cars. And it's eminently solvable as an engineering problem.

@MikeHarEV

6 ай бұрын

I've just had a Kurbo pavement gully installed by Nottingham County Council. Not sure if this is a solution that would work for your home, but it may be worth checking if your council are trialing these types of solutions yet.

@keelferm

6 ай бұрын

@@MikeHarEV thanks Mike

@keelferm

6 ай бұрын

@@MikeHarEV oh also, I'm an Aptera reservation holder, so there is that solution in a couple of years

@keelferm

6 ай бұрын

I've just checked out the price, £999 for installation of the channel. Are they having a laugh? I came up with this idea long before they were a company, but of course I didn't want to jump through all the administrative hoops or launch my own manufacturing business.... that's a silly price.@@MikeHarEV

Appreciate the frankness on this. Some evangelical owners don’t like to talk about the cost of charging Also appreciate the 🐈‍⬛ cameo!

Very honest video. Thank you. I personally think the cost of charging at home will rise once EV's are plentiful on our roads and the Government needs to raise revenue. Put it this way.. you have stated that transportation is cheap if you can charge at home.. the powers that be will not allow this to continue. I remember having an LPG Jeep Cherokee, it cost pennies to go anywhere.. then the Government realised they could increase the duty and low and behold.. it became pointless. What ever we do, Petrol, Diesel, Hydrogen, EV, the Government will sting us.

Excellent and informative video

It is also very important to realise that at present there is no additional taxes on EV fuel as in petrol and diesel. This does have reinforce my conviction that now is not the time to buy an EV. The same journey would have cost me £91.50 in my diesel car.

I’m fortunate to be able to charge both my EVs at home using Intelligent Octopus which provides at least 6 hours of off peak charging at 7.5 p kWh which works out at under 2p per mile. Done over 1500 miles of road trips recently in my Tesla with the most expensive cost,using Tesla superchargers being 45p kWh equating to 9p per mile - in reality with home charging at the start and finish and a small amount of free destination charging the actual cost was less than 5p a mile. I never had to wait to charge and my main problem is the Tesla charges too quickly that have to move it to avoid idle fees before have finished a comfort break and queued for a coffee etc. Thanks for an honest appraisal of the pros and cons of EV ownership.

Interesting stuff. And much more worth listening to from someone that is trying to give an honest factual account of this journey. Personally, I can’t charge at home, but I bought an older 2016 Tesla Model S with free Supercharging. I recently drove from Devon to Southern Italy, spent 6 weeks in Italy before driving back. Covering just over 5,500 miles. I did use the Enel X Way AC charger in the town square where I was staying at a rather pricey €0.64 per kW. And like you I used it much more than I really needed to. Which meant I spent just shy of €70 during my trip away. I’m not sure what that is in diesel mpg, but it will have to be pretty frugal!

Love the cat! Especially when he teleports 😂

One thought I did have on those who can't charge at home. I have seen that some home chargers have RFID cards. I wonder if there could be a system that would allow a neighbour to tap their card (linked to their home tariff) and charge that way. There are already services that allow you to rent your drive via an app so just need a system like that to book a slot. Then the charger owner could get a few quid for renting the drive/charger. You could block out times when you needed to charge but would be a way for housing estates where you have a mix of houses with drives and flats to share their resources. There shouldn't be a split in the future between the haves/have nots where those with a drive can drive for 3-4 times less than those without. Just a thought.

This year I did 10 trips of over 850 miles in a single day, at a fuel cost of under 90 pounds each time. So a day, a hotel, extra meals and significant fuel costs saved each trip. The saving covers all my other fuel costs, servicing etc for the year. Yes my other use is very low and would be ideal for an EV, but I need to do those long trips to earn a living.

@ModernHeroes

6 ай бұрын

I didn’t split the journey over two days because of the fuel type, I’d have done the same in a diesel 🤷‍♂️. Not sure what you’re doing that means you need to spend 16+ hours driving on a regular basis but it doesn’t sound much fun.

I was looking at an ev i do about 1100 miles a month i cant change at home no drive way i own my petrol car outright so the price of a used ev plus the public charging rip-off i would be like 400 plus a month out of pocket so will keep with petrol for as long as i can.

Electric cars now only make sense as a commuter or town car.

@Brian-om2hh

6 ай бұрын

Not necessarily. If you use the same charge network regularly, a subscription to the network can offer savings.....

I’ve watched your trip ….. and I think your assessment was very fair and truthful…… driving a diesel I don’t have problems with EV’s….. it’s a shame the suppliers of the charging points seem to want to shoot themselves in the foot regarding costs. I’d be fortunate if I went EV as I’ve access to charging at home but as you say a lot of people have not.

The actual overall price was a shock. But the achievement shown through the earlier videos was great. I was so pleased you managed to do the trip without any big problems finding chargers.

The fact that the car itself is the price that will scare most of us away being disabled there will never be a new car in my driveway my diesel will be my last car and I hope it out lives me.

Good, honest review of EV running costs. Thanks😊

Nice experiment. I enjoyed your trilogy. Thanks

Here’s my perspective. If your worst-case scenario is that you do 800 miles once or twice a year in a large-ish car, but otherwise can be down to 2.5p per mile, then this is great. I’m another of the non-home-charging people. Public charging is expensive, but I carry out at least 80% at Tesla (membership) pricing. So the odd, more-expensive charge (which would be done for closer to “all-I-need-to-do-to-get-to-a-cheaper-chargepoint”) is a fair balance of convenience versus cost. I also have a very basic model, but one that in practice delivers 5 miles per kWh. Not forgetting the TCO (total cost of ownership) aspect. And the overall driving experience and lack of polluting the air. These are also “costs”, but some might discount those. Then there’s the “price” to pay for convenience of pre-heating and defrosting. people don’t factor that into ICE cars, but I expect the latest tech like that is available in ICE cars (does that mean they somehow need more fuel to feed the drain on the battery system? 🤔 I don’t know) Overall, you’ve not demonstrated that you have to actually pay *more* when choosing the BEV option over combustion options. Now that might not be “good enough” for some people. But if your capital costs are on a par, as we know that they now are, and your running costs are certainly no worse, then the pleasure of the drive in a BEV is significantly higher than its alternative. And, it’s at least a convenient and comfortable journeying experience. But, of course, YMMV 🤷🏻‍♂️

Thanks for tip about cheaper rate IONITY chargers. Polestar app says 30p/kwhr but I’ll watch out for the crowds due to the cheaper rates. We charge 90/10 or even 95/05 home to away as most of our journeys are less than 100 miles round trip.