She had two titles she could embrace, She Wolf or victim. As far as I’m concerned Isabella was a complete badass in every way. She went from abused child bride to king maker and king mother. Most women would have been cowed by what she’d endured, but not Isabella. She saw a path forward and she followed it with steadfast focus and determination. I’d wear the title She Wolf with pride.

@overcomerbtbojesus

7 ай бұрын

Except for the hung drawn and quartering part for hugh dispenser - it was medieval and a totally political death but I can’t get over the gory violence of it - other than that i have no issue with isabella

@jaqathome

7 ай бұрын

@@overcomerbtbojesus yeah, she had a bit of a hate on for Hugh the younger. I heard she enjoyed a meal while Hugh was getting his comeuppance. Not sure if that makes her a sociopath but he really had that coming.

@overcomerbtbojesus

7 ай бұрын

@@jaqathome i think in one documentary she was actually present eating an apple while watching the proceedings 😵‍💫

@jaqathome

7 ай бұрын

@mehrimazedeh 🤣🤣 good point, I’m totally guilty of snacking while watching cringe inducing tv. Nothing like watching Dr G Medical Examiner while noshing on a bowl of guac!

@mwilliams369

7 ай бұрын

Yep, she didn't hesitate to learn how to deal with power. The more ruthless, the better. She didn't take shite.

Wow, that coronation. The modern day equivalent would be if Piers rocked into Isabella's wedding wearing a white wedding dress, her earrings that had "mysteriously disappeared", and an exact replica of their wedding band but inscribed with Piers and Edward's name not Isabella's. Yeah, I'd be pissed too if I was her kinswoman.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

I would pay good money to see that royal wedding! 🤣 I honestly think her uncles were amazingly restrained, considering.

Strong woman, humiliated for years husband, protecting son’s interests = She Wolf. The pity of it is that people still insist on labelling her this.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

It depends on how she is labelled with 'She-Wolf'. As one of the other viewers commented (and I agree) it is a label that can be a compliment, rather than used as an insult. As you point out, Isabella was many good things that were viewed very differently at the time she was alive. I also use the term with a question mark as I'm questioning the validity of medieval and Victorian society terming Isabella as such. 😊

@Apollo1989V

5 ай бұрын

I am not sure how much of Edward III’s interests she had when she had her husband overthrown and murdered. She hung onto power, and it took another coup by Edward III to get her and her lover out of power.

@lilianhaggland2031

10 күн бұрын

I see that She Wolves as a compliment.

If Isabella was a "She Wolf" it's because Edward II made her that way. A person (even a queen) will only lie down as a door mat so many times before she grows a spine and stands up to her adversary. I say good for Isabella! She had a job to do....have children and help rule her country.

@margaretcottingham5920

6 күн бұрын

Isabella was very young and had unrealistic aspirations of what marriage to a king would be like. She learned the hard way what ruling a nation and navigating the intrigues of court life were all about. She is a woman before her time, in terms of capabilities, and a woman to be admired -not admonished. Apparently there are some people that would skip the details and form the wrong opinion of Isabella.

I can’t believe there is no movie about it (to my knowledge). This story has everything and the writers and directors wouldn’t even have need to change or exaggerate events.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Or at least a series (which could be better, as so much happened). But I bet you can still guarantee something would be written in which never happened. 🤣

@elizabethlee2136

7 ай бұрын

There is a sleezy play by Christopher Marlowe that hates both Edward II and Isabel.

@janieporrez3248

6 ай бұрын

I was just thinking how is Isabella’s story not an HBO miniseries?!?

@libiusperseus

2 ай бұрын

There is « Les Rois Maudits» (1972 version of course. 2005 version is shit.) It focuses more on her brothers and the French court but Isabella and her story in England are still an important part of the plot. She is even the title character of the fifth episode. I don't know if it was ever dubbed in English though.

"In lieu of the vacancy Piers had left before, it was now filled by Hugh Despenser." 😂😂😂😂 There is NO WAY this wasn't written deliberately! 😂😂😂

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

OMG, I SWEAR I didn't even see that! 😂😅

Truly maligned by history, Isabella of France had the courage to finally right the injustice perpetrated against her for so many years. History's label of 'she wolf' is only another insult, as if to say that removing a bad and unpopular king makes you evil (a wife, after all, should put up with Anything). For a long time, one of my favorite queens.

Isabelle's character and role in history of Europe has been brilliantly depicted in the historical novel by Maurice Druon "The Accursed Kings".

Isabella is a fascinating and controversial queen - this was the real game of thrones played out in real life

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely! The more you dig into medieval history, the more you see the possible people George R. R. Martin was thinking of when creating his characters! 😅

As I don’t wanna give away the rest of her story, I’ll give my opinion on her in the next video, but generally, I think Edward had it coming… And, though Gaveston was flamboyantly arrogant, Edward was the one who permitted him to wear Saint Edward’s Crown.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Edward DEFINITELY had it coming! 😂 You know I try to be fair to everyone, but it is a struggle to find a lot of good things about him. I even think had Piers not angered everyone with his behaviour (and therefore had lived longer), he and Edward might have mellowed over the years with Isabella lending her support as queen. And you're right about Gaveston as well - he only got away with what he did because the king allowed him to, and yet he was blamed for Edward's behaviour!

@jawo8754

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople 100% they were toxic for each other. Seems to me Edward I allowed Edward to be spoiled. I’m sure that the one truth in Braveheart was that Edward I was annoyed and frustrated with his son’s behavior.

Raised by my unusual father in the 50s and 60s I was taught to believe I was the equal of any man. I also had the examples of strong, independent grandmothers and great grandmothers, one of whom, a Texas farmer’s wife and highly self-educated in politics, was a suffragette who, to the horror of her sons, cut her hair and had to be bailed out of jail in San Antonio. That makes me a genetic she-wolf and I’ve always thought the reports about Isabella came from insecure men threatened by her intelligence. (Btw, over and above undermining a man’s status, an accusation of homosexuality during that period could be a life in prison/death threat, as was accusing a woman of infidelity.) To give a taste of what the mid 20th C period was like for women who broke barriers, I once had an argument with a male colleague during a faculty meeting. He followed me out of the meeting and with a lot of rage on his face, got nose to nose and called me a “castrating b-h.” In my sweetest southern drawl, I responded “Thank you so much! That’s the best compliment I’ve had in a long time!” What I didn’t show was how stressful it was to be treated with such disrespect and hate. In my long life as a human being and a social scientist, I have talked with, read the diaries of, studied crime reports and data around the experiences of thousands of women…postal carriers, factory workers, police officers, etc., whose experiences included behaviors KZread would probably ban me for describing in detail…frequent threats of sexual assault (including rape cases women lost due to wearing suggestive attire, the fact the victim was’t a virgin at the time of the assault, etc) obscene and threatening phone calls, stalking and offensive touching, etc, etc, etc. it still goes in as we know from some recent cases. Add race to the mix and the experiences become even more prevalent. The term “micro-aggression” is misleading as it diminishes the impact of living under the constant stress of threat to self.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

It sounds as though you come from a long line of amazing women and men! And you're absolutely right in that both Edward and Isabella faced an equal threat in a sense for their accusations of, respectively, homosexuality and infidelity. The only difference is that despite the fact Isabella did have an affair, a blind eye was turned to it in her own lifetime, as it was more important for those who stood to gain to show her as the saviour of England. If Isabella hadn't returned to England, I'm not sure she would have been viewed in the same light. On a personal note, that sounds horrific what you had to deal with regarding your 'colleagues'. I love your response, though! That was brave of you, and it must have taken a lot of guts to keep dealing with that. I had a father like that, sadly, and it intimidated my mother. Thankfully, it showed me that being intimidated by that behaviour was nothing more than backing down to bullying aggression.

Absolutely amazing history lesson! Your AI generated visuals are fascinating alongside with your captivating storytelling. Loved it! Can't wait for part 2. Thank you 💐

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I hope you enjoy Part 2 just as much, I promise it's well under way. 😊

@mwilliams369

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople there's no doubt about that. Love your videos. Thank you, Ma'am 🙏🏻

I was looking into the local history of Coventry the other day and Isabella’s kept on coming up and I was thinking of how much I would love for you to cover her ahah

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

She just HAD to have her own video at some point! 😊 It's so funny how many places have a big connection with her - Coventry, as you say, London itself, and my neck of the woods in Yorkshire with Scarborough and Boroughbridge.

Isabella of France was one of my 19th Great Grandmothers. Thank you for this video ❤

@HistorysForgottenPeople

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

@FernandoMartinez-cg7zu

26 күн бұрын

Hi sherry

A ruthless person with the capability of self-defence and power seizure tends to outlive a merciful one without such capability.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

That is true! 'Nice guys finish last', as they say, however much we might want that to not be true.

The term She Wolf was considered derogatory? That’s a bad ass term, in my opinion. JS

@HistorysForgottenPeople

5 ай бұрын

I agree! The term definitely means something different for us now. 😊

This is why the queen replaced the vizier on the Indo-Persian chessboard.

This is very informative.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊

Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Your history videos are always enjoyable. Next video in the future could you do Queen Catherine Howard. Henry the eighth fifth wife from the 16th century. Have a great day see you next video 😊

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Hi Michelle, I'm good thanks! Glad to hear you're well too. 😊 It's funny you should mention Catherine Howard, actually, as the other day I was thinking I might do a series over December-ish about Henry's six wives, so I'm definitely going to cover her at some point!

I went pretty far back in my family tree and found out one of my ancestors married Despenser's daughter and helped petition the king to give back land that the Despenser's stole to her. Thankfully, he survived, but he should have avoided her like the plague.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

6 ай бұрын

Wow, that's such an interesting nugget of history to have on your tree! I love it. 😊

Ooooh on top of being an interesting topic, we also have access to your amazing AI, which now represents the early XIV century, so I’m pretty hyped for it👀👀 The early to mid XIV century is one of my favourites in terms of fashion so

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

I'm seriously trying to make it do some actual 'historically accurate' clothing, and it seems to be easier than doing it for the centuries afterwards!

@lfgifu296

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople Ah, yes, it must be challenging to not make them do those generic “Brave” type of dress, crowned with loose hair (in women, not little girls). I’m sure the Picsart AI tool is nothing compared to your software, but when I look up “XIII century woman” the results are outright depressing😭😭

Correct me if im wrong but wasnt Phillip the fair the king who destroyed the Cathars n also came down hard on the Templars?

How about some back story on Isabella of Spain

Well, it could indeed have been a good partnership, but, even without Gaveston, I think Edward would’ve been a bad king anyways. Also, your Gaveston AI is hot lmao

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Midjourney just will NOT make anything other than very attractive Hollywood actors and actresses doing a historical film with a dodgy costume wardrobe! 😂 I've just accepted everyone will come out looking like that now. And yup, I don't think Edward was ever destined to be a good king, that's for sure. I don't want to give away too much as I'll mention it in Part 2, but there are a minority of historians who believe when Edward was later imprisoned, he escaped rather than died. I don't personally believe that, but I do think that of all the imprisoned royals over the years, if ever there was a likely one who did escape and disappear, it would be Edward. Just happily living as a peasant somewhere thatching a roof.

@susancady2581

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople lol, you must be familiar with Ken Follet?

@overcomerbtbojesus

7 ай бұрын

@@susancady2581that’s just what i was thinking

@overcomerbtbojesus

7 ай бұрын

Looking at roger mortimer i can hardly blame isabella for getting with him 😍

@lfgifu296

7 ай бұрын

@@susancady2581 Oooh does he have a book on it? Pillars of the Earth and The Evening and the Morning are among my favourite books!

Very enjoyable, as all I have viewed thus far have been, 👏 Like deployed 👍

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, I appreciate it! 😊

Edward isn't King material by the longshot. Isabella is far better royal material. Edward wasn't interested in women and if he was a high noble or in a different time would probably be happier.

The name De Bohun, is pronounced De Boon. The Despensers were greedy especially Hugh, the man just kept on taking . He died a horrible death

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

Apologies, should have checked the pronunciation! Thank you. Hugh Despenser was definitely the worst - he's up next in Part 2. And his death was definitely very medieval!

If only they weren't as obvious or arrogant...

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

It's true - while Edward and Isabella might have some redeeming features, they were certainly sure of what they perceived as their place in the social system of the middle ages. In fairness to them, it was what they were brought up to be like, although you would think the fact people in England got annoyed with them might be a clue!

I honestly always think of the song history hates lovers 😅

She was a model for Evita Peron

@HistorysForgottenPeople

3 ай бұрын

I didn't know that!

This is my great grandma 😌

Out of curiosity, but are you interested in covering individuals from Ancient Greek and Roman history 🤔

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

I'd love to do that at some point! I might have to start a different channel for it, as it's such a different audience for many, but I'd definitely think about it. That's how I got into history really, when I was about seven years old and someone got me an Encyclopedia on Roman history. 😀

Amen❤❤❤❤❤

For the question (as I said to History Calling, this might get you in trouble😭), what do you think of Meghan Markle?

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

OOOOH! No, I'm good, I'll answer it. 😂 Okay, I'll preface this by saying that overall (possibly a surprise to people watching my many videos on royalty) I'm not a fan of the modern British monarchy in general. Not 'anti-monarchist', not as definite as that, but I just think there's no place for them in a modern society in the form they currently have. So, that said - I don't really like Meghan Markle OR Prince Harry. But, not for the reasons many people quote for them. My main problem with them is the same for any famous person who acts the same; in that they have a major victim complex. Saying you want privacy and THEN writing books, appearing on TV interviews, making a Netflix show, and saying you were part of a 'paparazzi car chase' in New York city (no one moves fast in New York in a car, come on!) doesn't really make any sense. It makes less sense when everything that then happens to you is apparently everyone else's fault, not your own. I grew up with a parent like that, and it makes me recoil from anyone else who does it. I also laugh at the idea that Prince Harry didn't want to do 'royal family stuff' anymore, but also thought the British public should continue to pay for his security. 😂 I just think if they were honest and said, 'We just want to be famous, but we don't want to do any of the royal family stuff', okay, fair enough - at least that's honest, and I could respect that. And in regards to Meghan Markle, I also don't think she's pulled Harry away from his family like some horrific femme fatale, either, or that she's some sort of bad influence. Anyone who's seen what Harry has done over the years should know it's probably the other way around!

@lfgifu296

7 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople oof, you said it well. I don’t rly like them either, though Harry sometimes strikes me as mentally ill (seriously that book “Spare”- what was that?!- who in their right mind-). Meghan though, while I don’t think she was the mastermind behind “Mexit”, as it was dubbed, she went out of her way to victimise herself- when she claimed their son didn’t get the title of prince because of being mixed race, I had to laugh💀 Mrs, he was the great grandson of the monarch💀 he was not entitled to be a prince during Elizabeth II’s lifetime. Also reports that she bullied and cruelly treated Royal staff seem quite believable to me. In general, I’m totally with you- if they wished to “live quietly” they wouldn’t go on a campaign of victimisation

Isabella the Bad Arse...love her.❤

@HistorysForgottenPeople

8 күн бұрын

This is officially my new name for her. I love it!

Her mom was supposedly fat, but very smart.

Amen❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

Grama

My favorite period of the Middle Ages: the 600's to the 1400's!☺️

French 🎉🎉🎉

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Never cared for Isabella : Arrogant, selfish, overly self-important…. and cruel.

@HistorysForgottenPeople

7 ай бұрын

I'm curious as to whether you watched both videos?

@tibsky1396

11 күн бұрын

(...) said Edward II after his deposition.