The Secret Underground Museum Storeroom - Home of The Ancient Whale Skeletons Found in the Thames

Come along with me and visit the rarely seen Cetacea (whales and dolphins) research collection storeroom at the Natural History Museum, London. In April of this year I was fortunate enough to meet with Richard Sabin (Principal Curator, Mammals
Vertebrates Division, The Natural History Museum). Richard showed me the skeleton of a whale which was found in 2010 in the mud of the Thames at Bay Wharf, Greenwich. The likelihood is that the whale dates back to the 17th century. I spent a fascinating afternoon with Richard as he showed me round and told me wonderful whale facts - including the fact that whales have earwax!
Thank you Richard, and thank you to fellow mudlark Oscar Potter for filming us.
Thank you for watching.
Nicola White
www.tidelineart.com

Пікірлер: 241

  • @susancousins8766
    @susancousins876628 күн бұрын

    Everyone has said how sad it is for these mammals. Yes it is, but all of these years later finding out the history is just amazing. I’m so glad Nicola knows how to go about finding this information and bringing it to life for all of us ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💜

  • @westcountrymudlarks

    @westcountrymudlarks

    27 күн бұрын

    I agree found this video fascinating

  • @SnowPink90

    @SnowPink90

    27 күн бұрын

    I agree, I’ve always been fascinated with what you find at the museum and the history of it. Nicola does such a great job in giving us a look at history of these such items, I love it!!🥰 What I have found even in today’s society is greed. They killed so many whales back then and the numbers that we have now are so little compared to what we had before. Use what is necessary, but they didn’t. They went out and just slaughtered as many as they wanted to because selling the oil, selling$$$ is what they had in mind from these whale bodies and that’s where the part of history disappoints me. Even fishing has gone crazy to the point that we don’t have fish in the water like we used to because they don’t let them regenerate(?) the numbers. We never learn by the mistakes made in the past because it’s not lucrative.

  • @Londonechoes

    @Londonechoes

    27 күн бұрын

    Agreed!

  • @beebeesmith

    @beebeesmith

    27 күн бұрын

    Never knew the history of whaling in the UK and without this video I never would have known, thanks a lot, perfect.

  • @Nicole-pg5lk

    @Nicole-pg5lk

    24 күн бұрын

  • @susanjames2994
    @susanjames299427 күн бұрын

    I could listen to this gentleman all day. Never thought i'd be that interested in whales.

  • @pheart2381
    @pheart238127 күн бұрын

    Fascinating. I live in whitby,which is another former whaling town. The tourist boats sometimes see whales in the summer. Thankfully the living whale is appreciated more than the materials they used to supply.

  • @snowpony001
    @snowpony00127 күн бұрын

    Wonderfully interesting video. Thank you Nicola and Richard Sabin. Mr. Sabin’s passion and love for his work really shines through.

  • @AmandaStone-wk3uv
    @AmandaStone-wk3uv26 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola and Richard for sharing this with us!

  • @irenes4885
    @irenes488528 күн бұрын

    One thumbs up isn’t enough for this episode. Thank you for sharing!

  • @tricial4330
    @tricial433027 күн бұрын

    Fascinating interview/information. How fortunate you are to have access to such resources. As a scuba diver, I can tell you first hand, cetaceans are absolutely amazing creatures. I've had the privilege of up close encounters whilst diving, with whale sharks, dolphins, and humpbacks as well as many other fantastic animals. They are here for a reason and deserve respect. Thank you for sharing this great tour!

  • @janetslicer3637
    @janetslicer363727 күн бұрын

    Nicola, this was one destinguished documentary on some of the largest animals on the planet! It was serious, entertaining and full of knowledge for people of all ages. It was incredible to see the size of the vertebrae, the size of their ribs, the heads, even their ear wax and the stories it can tell us. Bravo to you for taking the time to show more mysteries in the mud of the Thames! Touché! ☘️

  • @judithdomangue9995
    @judithdomangue999527 күн бұрын

    I am grateful for all the knowledge I gained today. Thank you Richard and Nicola❤

  • @vickinoeske1154
    @vickinoeske115428 күн бұрын

    Such a sad history of a magnificent species. Interesting video. Thanks, Nicola.❤🐋

  • @chuxmix65

    @chuxmix65

    27 күн бұрын

    Slight correction, if I may. There are many diverse species within the whale family. If they couldn't find a big one whalers would take what they could find.

  • @user-yr8bk9dr5o
    @user-yr8bk9dr5o27 күн бұрын

    Awesome video. Our own greed almost destroyed these beautiful creatures. So sad, but glad they have put a stop to the needless killing. Would like to see more effort put into stopping of the trained shows around the world. Maybe someday. Thank you Nicola for another informative video.

  • @laurab1770
    @laurab177027 күн бұрын

    Thank you,Nicola for taking us along on a very interesting and informative trip.

  • @SecretSquirrelFun
    @SecretSquirrelFun27 күн бұрын

    The wax ear plugs 😳 How incredible is that. The information that they provide is phenomenal. Absolutely fascinating 🙂 Thank you for sharing your museum adventures. Much appreciated. 🙂🐿🌈❤️

  • @annettefournier9655
    @annettefournier965527 күн бұрын

    Utterly fascinating. It touched my heart deeply. I'm sitting here tears running down my face. Thank you for this presentation.❤

  • @Mudhooks
    @Mudhooks27 күн бұрын

    This is fascinating!!! The amount of information that he was willing to impart is wonderful!!! Having worked in museums, having access to collections like this is amazing!!! His enthusiasm in giving such an in-depth history of the specimens and the industry is genuine and palpable! Thanks for sharing this!!!

  • @robinkhan7468
    @robinkhan746828 күн бұрын

    The privilege to go deep into a museum is very special. To come upon bones along shores has a deeper connection to history with such a presentation. I wonder how much the Covid shutdown lowered the stress levels of marine life.

  • @charlesperez9976

    @charlesperez9976

    27 күн бұрын

    That’s a very intriguing question,regarding the shutdown,which briefly must have reduced sea noise pollution,and air pollution too,perhaps? Hmm I never thought of that…

  • @nicoleharris2115

    @nicoleharris2115

    27 күн бұрын

    I remember seeing pictures of clear clean air above cities usually full of smog.

  • @nicoleharris2115

    @nicoleharris2115

    25 күн бұрын

    The planet definitely healed a little in that time.

  • @michaelschindele5484
    @michaelschindele548427 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola for bring us along for that presentation at the whale museum . I had no idea that whales disevolved from land animals . That`s crazy . The best non - mudlarking video yet . Congratulations my dear . That was a fine piece of work.

  • @marilynleveque2497
    @marilynleveque249727 күн бұрын

    Absolutely fascinating what they are learning from whales. Amazing man. A whale just washed up in Pismo Beach, California. I pray California is studying them also and preserving their bodies and bones.

  • @limerent72
    @limerent7227 күн бұрын

    So generous of that invitation to have a closer look at their specimens! Access like that normally granted just to researchers and TV productions. I almost felt like you were a TV correspondent while you were filming this! Well done.

  • @nicolawhitemudlark

    @nicolawhitemudlark

    27 күн бұрын

    Thank you! High praise indeed!

  • @grandee4383
    @grandee438327 күн бұрын

    Unbelievably fascinating video Nicola!!! I was glued to the screen! I learned so much about the exquisite whales. The knowledge that 30 years has given Richard is simply amazing. Thank you thank you for taking us with you!! Love from DeeAnn 🇺🇸

  • @oceanluvngal
    @oceanluvngal28 күн бұрын

    This has been a fascinating & informative video! In 1987, 2 km from my home on Prince Edward Island, a deceased 80 ft female blue whale washed ashore. Everyone went to see the poor creature, us included. And yes, some folks actually climbed on top, 😢. Scientists came and led a team in an onsite necrospy, then the burial of this whale further inland. They burried so nature could do its thing, cleaning and preserving the bones. It was dug up 20 years later, brought across Canada to the University of British Columbia, and after 2 years of preperations, the complete skeleton was ready for viewing in a specially built area of their museum.

  • @IIII2IIII

    @IIII2IIII

    27 күн бұрын

    That's interesting. Next time I'm out at UBC, I will have to definitely go into the museum.

  • @user-wt2ot1zx5b
    @user-wt2ot1zx5b28 күн бұрын

    Thanks Nicola what a awesome place

  • @thaliachaltas9096
    @thaliachaltas909627 күн бұрын

    I grew up on the East Coast (US) and know quite a bit about American whaling. I realize I know almost nothing of UK whaling, and had no idea there were whales coming into the Thames! Fascinating how much information is preserved in that anaerobic mud, and how exciting to be able to research animals from hundreds of years ago because of it. Richard's ability to communicate his knowledge and passion is wonderful. Thank you to both of you for a fascinating video.

  • @bethsmith3421
    @bethsmith342127 күн бұрын

    Stunned by the shear size of these incredible animals. I have loved whales always. Awesome video, Nicola!

  • @sallywatton2580
    @sallywatton258027 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much Nicola . ❤

  • @buckman78645
    @buckman7864527 күн бұрын

    Thank you for such a brilliant video. Full of passion and compassion for our water bound neighbors.

  • @M.Campbell
    @M.Campbell27 күн бұрын

    Every second of this was simply fascinating. Thank you very much!

  • @joanneriley3899
    @joanneriley3899Күн бұрын

    Richard I am more than sure your parents are extremely proud of your research with whale ear wax. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us all.

  • @bronwyndobbins282
    @bronwyndobbins28227 күн бұрын

    Absolutely fascinating. Whales are one of my favourite mammals, so huge, so gentle, just fascinating. Thankyou, Nicola, and a huge thankyou Richard.

  • @rosaliaros1255
    @rosaliaros125527 күн бұрын

    Thanks Nicola. It was very interesting and at the same time really sad. Reminds me of Jane Goodall words "How is it possible that the most intellectual creature on the planet is destroying its only home?”

  • @eilidhwatson8406
    @eilidhwatson840628 күн бұрын

    Fantastic video!! thank you so much for letting us have a look x

  • @nicolawhitemudlark

    @nicolawhitemudlark

    28 күн бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @hawaiianartworks6728
    @hawaiianartworks672828 күн бұрын

    Excellent work, Nicola. Really appreciated learning from Richard’s store of knowledge and the remains of such majestic animals. Utterly amazed by the information gathered from closed earwax caverns! Who on earth in the normal course of events would have considered this to be where a treasure trove of markers for everything from the creature’s age to the temperatures it endured and the stress it was under at times would be recorded here - of all places! My mahalos/thanks for this shared wisdom you captured here. Well done you!

  • @westcountrymudlarks
    @westcountrymudlarks28 күн бұрын

    really facinating thank you so much Nicola very informative .... brilliant

  • @GwenMarsh
    @GwenMarsh28 күн бұрын

    I was spellbound throughout. This was absolutely wondrous & fascinating. Thank you so much & and I'm def going to watch a few more times! 🐳

  • @merahertel6256
    @merahertel625627 күн бұрын

    What an informative episode Nicola. Thanks for enlightening us.

  • @zeenatbaer138
    @zeenatbaer13827 күн бұрын

    An absolute privilege to see some of the private collections of the Natural History Museum and once again Nicola you bring us a fascinating informative video. It's so true that the more knowledge we have of all creatures, the more we can see them as sentient beings and understand and respect their role alongside us in the world we share. ❤

  • @SUPERJKJEEP
    @SUPERJKJEEP27 күн бұрын

    THANK YOU Nicola. I watched it twice. I love the Whales ❤

  • @kimberlypost4718
    @kimberlypost471826 күн бұрын

    I come for the river mudlarking, but love these surprise educational episodes. What a treat seeing behind the scenes areas of the museum and hearing stories from the man that is passionate about the collection. Enjoyed this so much!!

  • @hamshackleton
    @hamshackleton27 күн бұрын

    Thank you, Nicola, for showing this I'd never heard of this collection until now.

  • @stockholmpearlsandviews4772
    @stockholmpearlsandviews477211 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola, I could listen to Richard all day. This was fascinating.

  • @rickdalbey7844
    @rickdalbey784418 күн бұрын

    Finally got a chance to see your outstanding documentary ! I was at the Natural History Museum in 1964, had no idea what the basement held. Your video was fascinating and Richard was amazing ! Thank you for sharing this and educating this Richard..❤

  • @nicolawhitemudlark

    @nicolawhitemudlark

    17 күн бұрын

    Thank you Rick!

  • @sandraponte3121
    @sandraponte312127 күн бұрын

    Fascinating! Thank you, Nicola for making this video 🤗

  • @roypowell3450
    @roypowell345027 күн бұрын

    This was very interesting Nicola and thank you for the visit and having Richards knowledge to help. How these poor mammals suffered and maybe still are! Thanks again and love from Norfolk.🥰

  • @dallasstorm2073
    @dallasstorm207327 күн бұрын

    Thank you for taking us along with you. Really enjoyed this experience!

  • @westcountrymudlarks
    @westcountrymudlarks28 күн бұрын

    best view this week

  • @nicolawhitemudlark

    @nicolawhitemudlark

    28 күн бұрын

    oh Thank you @westcountrymudlarks. xx

  • @alexcarle8086
    @alexcarle808616 күн бұрын

    How amazing to be able to go behind the scenes and hear him speak on his knowledge. Wow

  • @robinwelander6780
    @robinwelander678027 күн бұрын

    Thank You Nicola ! What A wonderfully informative program !

  • @rollonbc
    @rollonbc27 күн бұрын

    You continue to amaze me with your content. I still say bbc needs to have a Nicola show. Best content yet

  • @lornaalexander2524
    @lornaalexander252422 күн бұрын

    Very lucky to live in Northeast Scotland and be able to see whales and dolphins regularly, this was a fantastic insight into the history and research of these amazing mammals. Thanks for sharing this with us x

  • @gregbiggs7564
    @gregbiggs756427 күн бұрын

    This is soooo great 👍👍 thanks for finding all this & sharing it 🤩🤩 always great Nicola 🇬🇧🇺🇸

  • @TheWalnut47
    @TheWalnut4726 күн бұрын

    Thank you, Nicola, and the Natural History Museum. That was a truly fascinating visit.

  • @shannahenk1655
    @shannahenk165526 күн бұрын

    This is my favorite of your environmental videos so far. Thanks for taking us to a place most of us don't get to see and letting us hear from the collection's caretaker and expert!

  • @ChristopherCirillo
    @ChristopherCirillo25 күн бұрын

    Absolutely fascinating to spend this time learning more about these magnificent creatures. Thank you for taking us along for this truly remarkable discussion.

  • @nicolawhitemudlark

    @nicolawhitemudlark

    25 күн бұрын

    I'm so glad you enjoyed it

  • @westcountrymudlarks
    @westcountrymudlarks28 күн бұрын

    would love to see more of this this really enjoyed it

  • @carols6525
    @carols652528 күн бұрын

    Wonderful video, thank you Nicola.

  • @sisD
    @sisD27 күн бұрын

    Great info. Can’t wait Nicola to see what you’re going to cover next! 🐳🐋

  • @aleta5873
    @aleta587327 күн бұрын

    I live near the west coast of California. We've had whales migrating. Video of Blue Whales -- the largest in the world- was an absolute thrill to see. earlier this year. Also Gray Whales. Thank goodness we are more aware for their safety. Thank you Nicola for the tour of London's Museum. Fascinating.

  • @eucliduschaumeau8813
    @eucliduschaumeau881327 күн бұрын

    Fascinating video! Thanks for posting this. I have been into archaeology my whole life and have always known that the most interesting artifacts are always in the basement, where nobody can go. Wish this was all on display.

  • @wendyhill8924
    @wendyhill892426 күн бұрын

    Thank you…so interesting …you make history come alive..really enjoyed this Nicola and Richard..

  • @IIII2IIII
    @IIII2IIII27 күн бұрын

    An utterly fascinating and informative video. Thank you Nicola and to Mr. Sabin for all the important work that both of you do!

  • @Hippiechick11
    @Hippiechick1128 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola and Richard for sharing this information. I've always been interested in whales and this was interesting and sad. Richard gave me hope for these amazing mammals.

  • @CraftyLoops
    @CraftyLoops27 күн бұрын

    Completely fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing this fabulous gentleman and all his incredible knowledge. Lee :)

  • @nancybradford8514
    @nancybradford851426 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola, great show. I love whales, especially Humpbacks, they are truly majestic, a true wonder ❤

  • @bluetoo8010
    @bluetoo801026 күн бұрын

    What a wonderfully educational and interesting video, thank you so much Nicola. I love all your mudlarking videos plus the little gems such as this that you include on your channel. :)

  • @mariadewey4369
    @mariadewey436925 күн бұрын

    Thank you for sharing this interesting information. In this case, so glad the approach towards whales and dolphins has changed so much. They are so beautiful and intelligent animals. Love from Costa Rica. ❤️🇨🇷

  • @bethpotts-mee8730
    @bethpotts-mee873024 күн бұрын

    Great Vlog Nicola! Everything is so very fascinating! People have changed their sensibilities about hunting to extinction. Fashion & sport are no longer reasons for taking the life of another sentient being. Can you imagine? Big Love from California❣

  • @gonerustic
    @gonerustic27 күн бұрын

    This was so fascinating! The bit about the ear plugs especially. Thank you so much Nicola! 😊😊

  • @pauljorgensen6608
    @pauljorgensen660826 күн бұрын

    Thank you for this. So interesting. Hats off that you gave the gentleman freedom to speak.

  • @anneclements2473
    @anneclements247327 күн бұрын

    Fascinating. What an opportunity to go and see these and with such a knowledgeable person. Thank you for another different video.

  • @sheiladickerson5198
    @sheiladickerson519826 күн бұрын

    Awesome video Nicola! Hawaii had it's own whaling village many years ago. I am so thankful that people whale watch in Hawaii now and not hunt them. It's a sad history.

  • @helenbennett2845
    @helenbennett284527 күн бұрын

    What a wonderful video. Thoroughly enjoyed it and learnt heaps. Thank you Nicola and Richard.

  • @helenburke9507
    @helenburke950723 күн бұрын

    What a wonderful video. Thank you and the wonderful museum for ll that they do and you MS Nicola White.

  • @susanallsopp4730
    @susanallsopp473028 күн бұрын

    This is Just such a incredible vidio. Thank you Nicola ❤

  • @shelleysmith6342
    @shelleysmith634222 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola and thank you sir for bringing all this information to me about the great and wonderful animals it’s so sad they are still so indangered in some places but what information you are getting from the finds from the bones and the dna you can use is amazing.honestly I was so unaware whales were being hunted as much as they were until you explained everything good luck with all your research your a brilliant man and thank you Nicola for for bringing so much more than mudlarking to your channel it’s greatly appreciated

  • @terriewheatley-ward729
    @terriewheatley-ward72926 күн бұрын

    Fascinating episode

  • @jennyhiscox2562
    @jennyhiscox256221 күн бұрын

    How fantastic and absolutely fascinating! Thank you for sharing the information with us. Watching all the way from Australia. 🇦🇺

  • @arielbaker-jv7qt
    @arielbaker-jv7qt27 күн бұрын

    Wonderful video! I am spreading the word about as I know so many people who will want to watch! Thank you!

  • @deborahbryant7530
    @deborahbryant753027 күн бұрын

    WOW, that was absolutely Educational & so awesome !!! I have loved whales 🐳🐋 all my life & they are truly gentle giants !!! I would love to be in one of those boats that take you whale watching & it comes over to the boat & my daughter & I touch it !!!!! ❤️ Thanks for sharing Nicola & taking us along !!! Lots of love to you from the USA !!! 💖🙂

  • @angelaarena5208
    @angelaarena520827 күн бұрын

    How interesting thanks for taking us along with you ❤

  • @RedwoodsAndRain
    @RedwoodsAndRain27 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola. Fascinating!

  • @professor-greek3367
    @professor-greek336722 күн бұрын

    Beautiful video Nicola as always xx ❤️

  • @nicolawhitemudlark

    @nicolawhitemudlark

    22 күн бұрын

    Thank you Ari xxx

  • @annawalker1750
    @annawalker175027 күн бұрын

    This was just wonderful! Thank you very much ❤

  • @jennifercable4413
    @jennifercable441317 күн бұрын

    That was so interesting what an education regarding the whales around London. I remember being in London while they were trying to help the whale in the Thames all those years ago.

  • @lesliewilson9198
    @lesliewilson919827 күн бұрын

    Awesome episode! Thank you for sharing this wonderful information. We need more history like this. 🥰

  • @sallydansereau1270
    @sallydansereau127023 күн бұрын

    Fascinating. I learned a lot from this Nicola.

  • @lisacassells3828
    @lisacassells382826 күн бұрын

    What an incredible video. Thank you so much.

  • @donnahibbard1774
    @donnahibbard177422 сағат бұрын

    Interesting and educational, thank you from Florida 🌞🌴🌺

  • @lynneseaward1315
    @lynneseaward131528 күн бұрын

    That was fantastic Nic’, very informative. Thank you so much for sharing!😊

  • @traceyowen6136
    @traceyowen613627 күн бұрын

    Wow Nicola that was incredibly interesting, thank you for sharing your video 💜

  • @andreacrashe9894
    @andreacrashe989428 күн бұрын

    *Nicola, thank you so much for taking us all along with you.🙂 A HUGE thank you to Richard for talking about the history. 🙂I learned heaps... Interesting re the ear wax. I wonder thou, if the ear wax, over time is causing them to loose their balance or sense of direction which causes them to beach?? Cos when one does it the rest of the herd also follows the leader. Something for ALL the researchers to think about. But sadly only some will be saved... whilst for the others it is too late. 😞 The other thing that irks me, is that people & especially the media should be calling them ORCAs & not as 'killer whales'. ORCA's are a beautiful whale out in the oceans.🙂NZ*

  • @2pie2mash
    @2pie2mash27 күн бұрын

    Hey Nicola ✨ Very interesting video, and ones such as this are always a fact filled tack away from you mainstream work. Many years ago I holidayed on Cape Cod before venturing up to Vermont, we went out on my first whale watching trip and saw fin backs (second largest to the Blue Whale). We also took a boat trip, a very tiny boat it was, over to Nantucket Island and my girlfriend and I bicycled the Island and returned to the main port and visited the amazing Nantucket whaling museum before heading back to Chatham (not Kent in England one......would have been sea sick) My all time whale and dolphin experience was a 4 day and night expedition, (on my honeymoon) in the Pacific to see Orca's and White Sides Pacific dolphins of the coast of British Columbia, a family of 6 Orcas come to our boat (slightly bigger than the tiny boat mentioned) every day & bow ride......their fins within touching distance of an outstretched hand........magnificent ! A school of dolphins swam with our boat for 4 hours and too many to count..........magnificent again ! .........memories that have me welling up. Years later in 2006, I watched from my office on the Albert Embankment near Westminster, when that northern bottle-nosed whale swam up the Thames, sadly all efforts to save it were in vain, Thank You Endlessly , and take care xx Stay Safe Always ☮🕊☯🧡✨ ps if I've mentioned whales n dolphins before in a comment it then= my senior moment for the day, or does it count as two?.....three.....?........I honestly can't remember 😂

  • @juliebates5315
    @juliebates531527 күн бұрын

    Such a fascinating tour !!! ❤🦘

  • @marciajohnson6767
    @marciajohnson676727 күн бұрын

    Thanks so much, Nicola! Very interesting and informative! ❤❤❤

  • @lovelyskull3483
    @lovelyskull348327 күн бұрын

    Thank you for this incredible video. I’m amazed.

  • @christhompson4270
    @christhompson427026 күн бұрын

    That was amazing and very informative and interesting. We have a whaling station in Albany Western Australia and was working till thank goodness it was banned, this is now a museum with skeletons, ship, tools they used and a movie about it too. It’s sad but interesting at the same time. Thank you for sharing this video 👏🙏❤️

  • @BeccaT89
    @BeccaT8927 күн бұрын

    So interesting to hear about this. Can’t even imagine how big those bones really are!

  • @valerieconductor8430
    @valerieconductor843028 күн бұрын

    Thank you so much for this installment of your channel. It was so full of information. All of the things can be gleaned from the bones of so many different kinds of whales over such a long span of time. You are always informative and quite interesting. Bravo for you and your channel!

  • @Grendel650
    @Grendel65027 күн бұрын

    Incredibly interesting video. Thank you so much.

  • @deloradeabel8487
    @deloradeabel848727 күн бұрын

    Thank you Nicola,well done Lady!❤️

  • @Traderjoe
    @Traderjoe27 күн бұрын

    A very interesting subject and this man is a storehouse of knowledge as well as a great presenter. Bravo!