I’d rather just lube my switches. And I hate lubing switches.

@TROY-MCCLURE-1991

2 жыл бұрын

@@someblindguy thats true, I've lubed my Creams, still scratchy. Now I'm on lubed Gat Black Inks with POM plate and never looked back.

@Dyto69

2 жыл бұрын

@@someblindguy I just embrace the scratch tbh. I’m using these dry but filmed and spring swapped mx blacks for like 5 months now (I just wanted to break them in a little but I’m too lazy to desolder lmao) and I actually really like it. They feel almost like they’ve been lubed with 3203. Ill lube these mx blacks when Safa TKL arrives and it’s gonna be really rewarding.

@michaelmiao2146

2 жыл бұрын

@@someblindguy ,

@xXDarthBagginsXx

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in this boat, I'd rather take the same amount of time and lube/film switches and springs, also love my v1 Inks and the mx blacks in my work board are definitely breaking in over time as I use it more at work. Right now on my home boards I run Panda X's and Polia's (do need light break in but not much imo). It is cool to see machines for this but the lubing process is therapeutic to me and I get to jam out while doing it.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

@jihoon9590

Жыл бұрын

the r/mk community would like to speak with you

It’s really all about the sound, and a slight improvement in smoothness. That being said I just feel like there’s so many great options out there that don’t require this at all. Oil Kings, CJs, Silks, JWK and so many others are already so smooth and still sound great. At the end of the day do what makes you happy but for novices I think they’d be better off spending their time and money on something else before jumping into this lol

Well.. Tbh, I love the unique scratchiness from Cherry MX Black. It sounds different, and when I lubed those it sounds perfect.

I’m totally cool with lubing switches I actually find it relaxing. I’ve been searching for my favorite long pole switch as I feel those have been the linear group with the most experimentation w/ spring weight/ lengths pole length etc.

All about the small gains. Nice and informative video homie.

RNDKBD sells them pre-broken in if you don't want to buy and run your own machine. I think theirs have off center presses too

@threoples

29 күн бұрын

Yeah its not a huge premium either. Its like 30-40%.

I had no idea these machines even existed! What a wild dimension I’ve struggled into.

It’s hard for me to say, but I genuinely like the scratchy sound of the MX blacks. That chalky sound can be pretty nice, depending on the board. Don’t get me wrong, I love my broken in and lubed creams, and I fuck with some smoooooth JWK switches, but the cherry Mx black scratch is def a mood.

@Havesomepizza

2 жыл бұрын

I really just wish I spring swapped them. The stock 80g springs are just a tad heavy for me, and now that I’ve tried 63.5 slow, it’s hard to go to anything else.

@12345678946513

2 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. MX black scratch isn’t the type of scratch where you feel like there’s a piece of sand in the switch. It’s more of a consistent chalky friction throughout the keypress, and yeah, it’s actually kinda nice :)

@Havesomepizza

2 жыл бұрын

@@12345678946513 yeah 100% agree. It feels like an integral part of the switch to me, whereas like unlubed budget linears or stock creams sound unappealing in their scratch. I hate to be cliche, but MX Blacks just feel and sound so full.

@Maximus-rm7jn

2 жыл бұрын

@@Havesomepizza i had a similar experience with gateron hippos, funnily enough. there was a bit of "consistent scratchiness" that bothered me initially - presumably from the nylon housing. however, after using them for a little bit and trying some really buttery smooth jwk switches, i have to say that i like the "scratch" too, as it has a bit of character to it. smooth switches are great but a bit of friction ain't too bad either ;P

@FumiDoku

Жыл бұрын

sometimes scratch is just fine for me because it feels like im writing on a chalk board

dumb question how long (unit hours) should i break my new cherry mx black hyperglide for ?

Apply Diamond Paste before breaking in, clean it after breaking in and then re-lube, swap springs for TX L g(ur preference) and film them with TX .. Gosh, cant wait for mine..

I feel break ins are only viable with classic switches like the MX Blacks

I broke in my ultraglides the old fashioned way, I would watch something, and press the board facing down to press all of them at once. Yes I did it for almost 2 months but now they are JWK smooth (except for the springs, even after dunking them in 105 they crunch harder than a game dev on a deadline).

@chunkymilk1288

2 жыл бұрын

Cherry springs are always gonna be shit lol

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

You also didn’t get off axis presses lol

@S85B50Engine

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen yeah, but compensated it with the sheer amount of actuations, I binged a bunch of shows while breaking them in.

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

That's not how it works but as long you're happy with the final result!

@S85B50Engine

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen I got them to JWK smooth so yeah, I'm verry happy

I got stock jwick blacks from divinikey. They have this stupid top out scratch (I think it’s scratch) have no idea if it’s normal tho

What is the difference between centered and off center actuation for the breakin process? Is there really a "significant" difference?

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

my luber said there's a big difference. for most people though, not really a huge difference

I'm a heavy typist, so I've never noticed the 5% difference with breaking in switches that were already "good enough" (excluding MX Blacks or NK Creams). Break-in machines are entering diminishing returns territory for me.

The break-in machine is cool, but I agree I think it may be a bit overboard haha. I'm mostly thinking with the cost of 1-2 of these, you can easily get in-stock smooth switches from the factory. I get the thing with certain switches like Creams, where there isn't a real competitor...so I'd look at them in the same way as someone who'd buy 2-3 sets of switches to make a frankenswitch, or other things like lube/flims...just going that extra step for desired results. The hobby is all about tinkering and customization so while it may very well be overboard, it'll be useful for some to get the results they want :) On the topic of vintage Cherry switches, I started in this hobby almost 15 years ago. Things were quite limited back then with new production stuff, as alot of it was still vintage. However it was known that the vintage MX Black was essentially the best MX linear option (apart from the very rare Nixies). I modified a Filco/Costar TKL with vintage plate-mount blacks (they were already used too) among other things and more or less stepped away from the hobby with two daily TKL builds and a few vintage Cherry boards in the closet for about 10 years. Outside of manufacturing variances, the differences are mostly minimal in the grand scheme (where you'll largely only notice them the most in side-by-side comparisons) but I recently got back into the hobby after trying out a friends Rama U80 w/ Gat Ink Black v1. Not only were the switches themselves noticeably smoother...but it's evident that the overall mold tolerances are tighter than anything Cherry, old or new. I'm certain differences in molds/manufacturing processes, plastic choices and spring types are responsible for alot of the differences we talk about, but after tinkering with more modern switches and being overjoyed there are so many options now, I can say we've seen many improvements over those past few years and the overall quality is beginning to plateau at a very high level of refinement. I have my first new build since then coming up and I'll be using Gat Oil Kings to start off with based on my tastes, but I got a hotswap as I want to try several other switches, mostly for fun. Cheers!

@seanofthezo

2 жыл бұрын

but there are competitors for the creams...the durock pom

@flockofwildcactus

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanofthezo There are other switches with all POM construction, but the Durock (JWK) POM has a stem that's some proprietary blend which they internally call P3 (a blend that is not the same as, but in terms of being blended, like UHMWPE), they're factory lubed and the springs are slightly different. They call it POM because of the all-POM housing, which is uncommon in the grand scheme. As a result with that different stem, stock it tends to be smoother and sound different than Cream's all POM & pole style. The Kalih stem style found in the Cream and others is unique in style and thus sound, as reviewers/testers put them in other housings and get similar results. This was why people use it for frankenswitches a lot, but it's now known to be more cost effective to use a cheaper Kalih switch that has the same stem like a Pro Burgundy. The 'scratch' descriptor of Creams is due to the unlubricated POM on POM interaction and limited manufacturing after they come out of the molds (i.e. not polished), which is why they get much better after 'break in' as the stem rubs on the guide rails to smooth out or 'self polish', which this video's device does automatically. Technically any linear switch is a competitor to any other due to all the slight variations (minus recolors of course), but none are 100% POM with the same stem length/design and spring like the Cream as far as I'm aware. I would say a closer match to Cream than the Durock POM would be the InfiniKey (Tecsee) Cow POM-stem version, but again it's still different in that it's a longer stem (shorter travel and different sounding) and different spring weight.

@zivens.2407

2 жыл бұрын

Hearing a "vet" say this is really encouraging. Thank you for taking the time to comment!

This is awesome! I generally use my switches stock for 3-4 weeks before lubing. After seeing this I def wanna try one BUT... been thinking of designing and building a lego mindstorms break-in machine for full rows of switches? IDK could be cool??

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

that sounds like a fun project!

@TW2LV2

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen Indeed : ) I'll see if I can build/shoot the lego machine vid soon. Just started my channel so time is well.. limited. Upcoming builds: Sonnet, Frog WKL, Tiger 80, Q3, QK65, and more. Come by and roast my vids : )

is there any good guides about using a break in machine? I am really interested but don't know where to start.

@AndyVNguyen

Жыл бұрын

it really depends on the machine but basically you just put it in the plate and then connect a usb cable for off center presses they're all a little different

Andy how many off center presses should i do on each side for smooth mx blacks?

@AndyVNguyen

Жыл бұрын

i do like 4 hrs each side for off center

I saw that feng is still selling them, are they sending them out? i didnt see any updates from them, and i have no idea if they are like scamming people.

Call me crazy but non-lubed mx browns are my favourite switches. I even love the paper sliding on paper kind sound they have 😅

@AndyVNguyen

4 ай бұрын

you crazy lmao!

i have recently gone over to pretty much using hyperglides in all my boards now. all the perfectly smooth jwk switches got to the point of just being kind of boarding cause they are all the same. maybe its just another phase in my keyboard journey but i think the breaking in of hyperglides is kind of fun instead of using something like this.

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

the tiger80 i'm dailying right now has hyperglides and it just has that really nice cherry sound

If I find a set of switches that I like and plan to use them regularly for at least a year, I would prefer to break them in properly. While I don't own a nice break-in machine (love the idea), I have always rotated my switches on a weekly or bi-weekly basis for a few months before lubing them. The process takes me about 5 hours to lubricate 67 switches, ensuring that I have done a thorough job. Therefore, I aim to wear down any rough edges from the molding process in the switches prior to spending the time lubricating them. I firmly believe that switches improve over time, and while lubricating a factory switch may provide some immediate benefit, it also prolongs the time required to properly break them in with daily use.

@kaeroseon

9 ай бұрын

honestly modern switches with average typing speed will feel pretty much buttery smooth. Its only when you press the switch slowly that you can discern any bad quality. But obviously with stuff like cherry mx, Creams or any of the older switches it will be better to break them in through every day use. But its really not that big of a difference lubing straight away or being a tiny bit inconsistent for modern BSUNs, Tecsee, JWK, etc.

The yellow motors are faster and they run at roughly about 25k actuation per hour. The blue 1:90 motor does about 12k per hour. These are all based on my personal calculation. For the yellow faster 1:48 motor has lesser torque so heavier spring switches will slow it down by a little bit. Also do not run them imbalance as in having unequal amount of switches at both sides as it will cause the motor to burn faster. I've burn through a lot of motor testing these out xD My personal opinion on nk cream and mx black. 250k to 300k would remove most of the scratch but it still going to be there but it is going to be noticibly smoother on the feel side of thing and that to me should be the end goal of breaking the switch in. Bag lube the springs (spring swap for mx black) and film and call it a day if u don't feel like lubing the stem and they pretty much good to go.

@ivantran5999

Жыл бұрын

Hey I was running into any issue with my Tt motor 1:48 stopping running after like a total of 25-30 hrs of runtime. Is that just because of the lifespan of the motor and I just need to get a new one?

@Hahnck750i

Жыл бұрын

@@ivantran5999 yeah the lifespan is about that long unless you stop it every other hours to let it cool down and add lubricant to the gears inside the housing. Once it dies just change it

i understand that people really like the sound of creams but to me, they just arent worth it. I would much rather use a Matcha Latte for example - already lubed really well, Qc'd from invokeys, longpole so they have that fantastic sound... Idk. I just don't understand the hype for creams.

Keychron K6 Pro with Cherry MX Black Hyperglide and GMK Shanshui keycaps here. After a solid month + the switches have gotten smoother to the touch, but the signature scratch is still there. And I love it. Pls scratch, stay.

Heh I play osu so surely the two keys if cherry browns I've been using for years is broken in This is cool for those who've wanted to do it themselves and not have to pay extra for ppl who've done it already but seems a bit overkill but cool to see it's an option nonetheless

do you have any issues with gmk keycaps scratching/binding with the upper housing of hyperglides?

@AndyVNguyen

Жыл бұрын

No, are you using a pcb with north facing switches? Look down at the keyboard without keycaps. Does cherry read properly or is it upside down?

@Raptor-ln2mr

Жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen ​ @Andy V Nguyen My switches are south facing (RGB cutout if facing toward me). The keycap isn't scratching with the outside of the top housing, it's snagging onto the inside of the stem hole. I did some research and I found that people had these issues with the newer cherry tooling (retooled and hyperglides). Their theory is that there is a curve in the stem hole that wasn't there before they updated the tooling. Other switch manufactures such as gateron and tecsee don't have this curve and it is instead flat. Here are some photo comparisons: i.imgur.com/dRI4jbW.jpg i.imgur.com/WhWCOtq.jpg Also a reddit post about how gateron's retooled switches have the same issue as retooled mx blacks (the comments go more into depth about the issue with mx blacks): www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/dmgjh0/gateron_retooled_switches_issue/

Who said a bit of scratch was bad... good HG MX Blacks are fine once lubed.

this and diamond polishing are the new wave

Gateron box ink pink user here. The switches are so smooth I didn't even bother lubing them

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

those are omega smooth

Way to flex the proto Tiger Lite, lol

I appreciate the ingenuity that went in to this technique... but I think I'd rather just use switches that don't require this step in the first place, esp after trying dk Oni's oh muh GAWD.

I wanna get the file of that machine. How can i get ?

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

Search it up? I only have the one that you can buy and the person selling it isn't gonna have their files open source lol

Hey Andy! Nice video. They never seem to disappoint. Did you know that the largest marshmallow weighed 205.25 pounds and was sold in pieces to raise money for the Jigsaw Children’s Hospice Charity? I’m sure with a bit more practice in the kitchen I’ll be able to break the record! I don’t know about donating it to charity though, I’d probably just eat it instead.

I think I'll diamond polish mx blacks

I bought one just because. Threw some MX blacks and Creams on it for a couple of days and... Honestly couldn't tell the difference. I'd rather just lube, and I hate lubing.

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

did you do off center too? hyperglides are honestly really good already creams there should be a pretty big difference if you did off center also.

they also have a 2x machine

@masterchiefone5111

2 жыл бұрын

doulbe

I do think it is a little overboard, but I've been in too deep for a long time now. I will say that basically any Cherry switch benefits greatly from break-in (butter browns are very nice), but besides those and creams it isn't really worth it with how smooth switches today are. That Cherry pop sound is unmatched imo.

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

Def agreed! Mx blacks are so nice

shit on me all you want, but the little mx black scratch is the part that makes mx blacks mx blacks and I love it 🖤

ayo man was just curious, are you lisa nguyen's brother?

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

no

wow what an amazing scientific ninja tool!

I know jwk and gat inks etc most new switches are smooth but can they still be broken in?

@noanimal

2 жыл бұрын

Did you not watch the video at all?

@nikocayetano1805

2 жыл бұрын

@@noanimal i watched till the end

@noanimal

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikocayetano1805 wow congratulations! Here’s your medal 🥇!!!!

@nikocayetano1805

2 жыл бұрын

@@noanimal youre the one whos being rude :/ I was just asking a question.

@noanimal

2 жыл бұрын

@@nikocayetano1805 I’m not being rude at all. You’re the one who is wasting other peoples time because you can’t be bothered to watch the video properly. Andy clearly explains your question.

:KenM: lives on

Waaa. Havent seen these. Doesnt suprise me.

With determination, manual break in is possible. After doing an experiment with 10 people, they can press down an object 180 times per minute, so 1000 presses would take a little below 6 minutes. Multiply by 200 and you get 200,000 actuations in 20 hours, divide that into 4 hours a day and you can hand break in switches 200000actuations in 5 days. Just mount the switches in a keyboard and turn upside down to break in.

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

Off center?

@Xeptance

2 жыл бұрын

@@AndyVNguyen I haven't tried this, but theoretically you could get off centre presses by putting the same row from a sculpted profile on all 1u keys (For example put F row keys on all the rows). The high edge of the keycap will be the point of contact so the force will be applied unevenly. Then you just need to rotate them all 90 degrees periodically through the break in period. Caution: I'd expect some wear on the high edge of the keycaps unless pressing the board into a silicon mat or something similar.

@EasonTek

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xeptance so you can get some cheap sa keycaps from aliexpress. plus, they are still usable for single switch sound tests

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

Yall crazy

The break in machine is legit the greatest purchase for an MX Black enthusiast. If only it lubed them for you :(

@kename1280

2 жыл бұрын

Dogegebroders

@joer1502

2 жыл бұрын

@@kename1280 dogegecheese

Ink gang rise up!

I just put mine on a switch tester and step on them

Andy go buy more mats. They'll help you get a sleeker look around your pant's pocket area

thoccy whoccy

Alternatively, you can get switches that don't even remotely need this starting at about $0.23

I thought lubing switches was dumb and I now lube my switches. I think this is even more stupid so I'll probably have one down the road 😅

This is Genius..

definitely cool but so overkill

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

yeah i barely use mine lmao

Let’s keep it a buck. The custom mech community is just OCD

i want dat

fuckin hell...i feel like i underestimated the level of weirdness this community has.

@AndyVNguyen

2 жыл бұрын

same

No need for a machine, if you have too much time on your hands and 2000 vids in the „watch later“ section. 2x 15min per row, fingers rolling over the keys rapidly. 2,5 hours a day for 4 days and you‘re on about 200k break in. 😬

Luv u

hyperglides are S tier

been using stock hyperglides for months. im banking on the investment