I feel personally attacked by that first double stroke roll because even that was better than whatever the hell I am doing. Great video as always!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Haha!! I swear I wasn't coming after you BQ🤣

@richiegarcia4

Жыл бұрын

Haha! I thought the same thing.

@ADAMKTN

9 ай бұрын

I feel ya!😂👏🏻

Amen! Fortunately, the great Marvin Bugalu Smith taught me this in 1976, so I've had time to learn it... 😉 With my students, one thing I stress, so to get even doubles, is to play the roll in triplets (8-notes first, 16 etc. much later) with no accents. In this way, the triplet movement really makes you listen deeply to each stroke, and pay attention to the fluidity of the exchanges between the hands. Great lesson as usual, Q. Thank you! 🙏

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Awesome Massimo!!

@massimodemajo

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips hope we have a chance to meet someday. I'm sure we could have a great chat, and I surely would learn a few things from you. Take care!

What a shame Mr Williams left us so soon. God only knows what he would be doing now. People say Tony played too loud. I sat right in front of that big yellow Gretch kit at the Vanguard once and i can tell you they are wrong. He played STRONG and confident. Big difference. It wasn't loud at all. Great lesson and insight once again Q. Thnx. 🥁

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Boom Brad!!!

@sethcashman1011

Жыл бұрын

Even Ron Carter once told Tony he was playing too loud. Tony got pissed, walked away, and smoked a cigar.

You are so helpful! Thank you,thank you,thank you!!! Greatings from Karlsruhe Germany

@drumqtips

9 ай бұрын

You are so welcome my man Mike!

Q that was an excellent lesson. I saw Tony Williams years ago. He started his solo with double strokes. They were clean. He even used different stick heights. I was amazed at his double strokes being clean. Seeing him started me playing drums again.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Right on Gerardi!

I’ve watched that entire Tony Williams clinic video and the simple thing that Tony said that I got the most out of was, he said something like “you know sometimes when you go to play something (live) and you think I hope this works out. Well, I decided I never wanted to be in that position. I always want to know that what I play is going to work and be what I want it to be”. That really focused a lot of my playing. As usual another great Q-Tip! Thanks

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Yes that stuck with me too Frankie! Thanks as always for watching and commenting.

This is amazing. Last night I was spinning Miles Davis’s Sorcerer CD and there’s a cut called “Vonetta” in which Tony Williams plays rolls and buzz rolls throughout the entire song that sound absolutely symphonic in there precise execution. He truly was a master.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah! That’s a great track and a good example of his beautiful rolls.

It's been already 3 months since I've been applying this lesson. Honestly game changer. And I got rid of pain in my wrists . Thank you very much 🙏

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Awesome!

There's no better way to start a class than starting with HISTORY. Very good video mr. Quincy. Thanks a lot and greetings from the Canary islands

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

History is the best! Thanks for watching👊🏾

Thank you good sir!! Tony, Bu, and Philly in there...and YOU!

@drumqtips

8 ай бұрын

I appreciate that my man! Love all them cats for sure.

Another great lesson Q. I joke with my students that they often turn their drum lesson into flying lesson because they let go of the sticks and make little wings with the back three fingers. I really appreciate your shout out to DCI. The precision they employ in their playing is completely applicable to any style of music. BTW, I think SCV got robbed with their 5th place finish this year, as their show was quite spectacular.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

They absolutely got robbed!! I told Paul (Rennick). He agreed. Lol! Thanks for your words Ray👊🏾

Thank you so much for this video man. I have searched quite a bit for good advice on how to clean these up, but your video actually articulated it in a way that could be easily followed. Back when I was in band in high school, we used to call the grip you refer to as the one we should not use, as the "teacup grip", for obvious reasons... I've always known it was wrong, but no one has ever been able to articulate how it make it work with the correct grip. Thanks again.

@drumqtips

4 ай бұрын

Glad I could help my man!

teachers like you Quincy make me proud of drum community, I mean look at this lesson, the qaulity, everything. it's invaluable

My little finger always wandered off, I've trained it now and the difference is notable, great stuff sgain Quincy, love that Williams clip😊

@drumqtips

4 ай бұрын

Be careful of wandering little fingers🤣🤣

Beautiful!!

I'm a passionate jazz music lover Bop Big Bands singers love your Drumming Maestro De Maestros

Crisp clean & even love it❤️👌🥁

Truly awesome. Thanks for all you do!

Great lesson, especially when you discussed the mechanics- what to do with your hands to achieve even rolls. Everyone says to work on the 2nd strike but they don’t say how. You did! Concentrating on how to do it with my hands made a difference in one practice session! I’m not done yet but this is making a difference.

Another top class, helpful lesson…thank you!

Brilliant. Thankyou

Can you make a video explaining Tony Williams right hand ride cymbal technique when he plays 5 notes in a row... That "signature" Tony Williams ride cymbal pattern he uses to turn the time around. That'd be sweet. 👍🥁

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

I’ve addressed it in a couple videos but we’ll see. Thanks!

Sooo fresh n so clean cleeeeean

Ur words are pure gold!!!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rado!

that mic is cool cause you can talk while playing🤯

Great lessons, Thx for posting and sharing!

@drumqtips

10 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks man !

I'm ready!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Let’s goooooooooo💪🏾

Thanks for another wonderful lesson, Q! Always a highlight of my week.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome my man Tom!

Awesome lesson! Thanks!

@drumqtips

5 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Thank you Quincy. That was very helpful.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear Ms. Rita:)

Firm & relaxed, great advice.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Boom👊🏾

Nicely broken down! I loved the drum set application. Thanks!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Right on John D!

Excellent advice 🔥🔥🔥🙌🙌🙌

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mikey!

Incredible videos. Thank you for all the incredible tips. Great job!

@drumqtips

Ай бұрын

My pleasure!

‘That helicopter sound’ There’s a clue right there, thanks MrQ. The DSR is something I’ve struggled with for the last ten months I’ve been learning this gorgeous instrument. The high flying bounce approach has never worked for me. If I may say here, the Ralph Rolle/DrumDog video was a great help and so is this. Big time, thank you ✌️🌻🇦🇺

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Much respect Markie👊🏾

Clear, accessible, and inspiring. So glad I found your channel!

@drumqtips

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching Matt and I’m so glad you found this lesson helpful!

I’ve heard the drag also called a “ruff” when it’s buzzed. Some of the best lessons on here! Thanks again for your time in making these for us

At 54, I finally decided to get more nuanced and appreciate the instrument more. I regret not doing it earlier in life. So naturally I’ve seen many many videos on the double stroke. And in most cases, the push/pull comes up and fingers get used at higher speeds just to facilitate the 2nd bounce. Correct me if I’m wrong, but what I’m seeing here is the advocation on no finger pull…at all..for the rebounding? Thank you for the video and I’m just trying to learn an old dog new tricks here. tyvm✌🏻

@drumqtips

9 ай бұрын

No push pull. Just wrists. It’s a bit more challenging but will make your doubles much more even and clearer. Have fun!

@davida7284

9 ай бұрын

@@drumqtips Very very interesting. Thx for the reply. I’ll give it some time and see how it feels.

well discussed... im excited to practice smart then , thank you sir Quincy for this

@drumqtips

10 ай бұрын

Right on Markie Mark👊🏾

Thanks Q! Really eye opening lesson for me. Best Regards Ralf

@drumqtips

8 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Dam this really helps thank u

I was taught to practice accenting second note of each double stroke, this really helps

Honestly a great crash course on hand technique.

Great lesson! Aritogozaimashita

I feel incredible relief and liberation after seeing this. I had a devil of a time trying to master a controlled bounce, especially on my left, but I kept at it because most YT drummers say that's the way to achieve speed, "taking advantage of the rebound." Maybe there's an element of that in what you teach, but I'm so glad to just hold the damned stick again.

@drumqtips

5 ай бұрын

I'm all about controlling each stroke like it's a single stroke but there are different schools of thoughts and we all have to figure out which school works best for us. Glad my "school" works with you:)

Great explanation on double stroke. I like when you said breathing plays important keeping you relax. Tony Williams was a monster in his doubles. On point with another lesson Quincy

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Vic!

Fantastic!I am working with a high school drum line and I am going to share this with them.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Boom Chuck!

I’m a new drummer and this video was an absolute game changer for me. I cannot tell you how helpful this was. The finger this was ruining my playing. Thank you so much for this.

@drumqtips

9 ай бұрын

Glad it helped so much my man!

You are the perfect teacher: the most complicate fill became easy!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Glad this helped Mario!!

That was a great lesson, Quincy! I fulcrum on my middle fingers and have been hitting that barrier to the articulation in my band sessions. I'll work this pinky/whole-hand thing into my practice tonight. Also, it is a joy to hear your playing on these videos and it communicates well with the worded concepts. 🥁

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! Thanks for your words.

God Bless You Quincy. Love your Drumming and Beutifull Persona you Rone Great Great Maestro De Maestros Bendisiones Para usted Familia. Carmelo papote Rios Arecibo Puerto Rico and Jersey

Haha arigato gozaiumuuuuusu to YOU @quincy Davis for dropping the best knowledge 🙌

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

You’re very welcome Mikey!!

This was a good refresher course. Because of arthritis, I've been loosening the control pressure of my bottom fingers over the years and this makes me remember to use those fingers throughout the stroke. Getting old sucks. Don't do it.

thank you

@drumqtips

8 ай бұрын

You're welcome Nick!

Learning to keep all my fingers on the stick and using the natural motions of the wrist and fingers together have helped me improve my doubles. Playing displaced doubles has helped a lot as well. I do an exercise where I play doubles for a measure and then a measure of displaced doubles and that exercise has helped me get more even consistent doubles.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Awesome Cora!

When you finally turned on the snare to demonstrate crispiness. Yesssss! 💪🏼😃🥁

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Yessss!! THAT’S when you can really hear difference. You’re right. Thanks for watching!

@luiszuluaga6575

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips in some ways you remind me of my first drum teacher, Tim Kennedy (RIP) who delivered his lessons with a smile but he also took no nonsense if I didn’t practice. I feel there is a joy to your playing and there is a joy to your instruction because fundamentally there is a sense of joy in your being so thank you for allowing that to always filter through. 🥁✨

Your playing sounds great and your explanations are easy to understand. Even when you're demonstrating "Sloppy Joe" you sound great (which is probably not what you want to hear). Anyway, great videos. I'm inspired 🙂

イェー！ありがとうございます♪♪

I've watched those Tony Williams clinic videos a lot. I believe he begins his performance by playing a - very clean and powerful - double stroke roll. An exercise I found useful for cleaning up my double strokes is pulling one hand away while playing a roll and making sure the double on each hand sounds really clean. The practice pad I use has a foam cover you can lay over the pad's surface which makes you work a little more for the bounce. It ensures I am working the entirety of each hand to get those doubles.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Great takes John!

Thanks so much for the lessons! You’re the only guy inspiring me right now. I’m older and rebuilding from a multitude of injuries, I find my muscles cramping when I attempt this method I’ve heard taught by Tony. Is this normal, can this technique cause damage? Honestly, I feel like it’s working muscles that have never been touched before and that makes me believe I need to build them. Just don’t want to go down the path of destruction in trying to get better…or even back to even.

“Sloppy joe” 😂 Yes, firm but relaxed - I teach the same concept with the bow hold for better bow control. Go SCV! Thought they deserved a higher placement.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

I agree Ms. Mac:) SCV slips have at least gotten too 3.

First time hearing the Tony Williams info about generating the strokes from the back fingers. Know what I'll be working on the rest of the year, lol!

Ok, now I am born in another era and in another country. But I did learn how to play the drums. One of my old drum teachers used to tell me "Break up some drum rolls a day, and you´ll keep the doctor away". Well, he did not actually say that and it was in another language. It is the meaning of it though. Practice your drum rolls. Every. Day. Yeah, I was a rock´n roll kid so I played rock´n roll. It took me a while to realize that this drum roll thing was good for my general playing. It is so boring, but it works. If I would have followed my teachers advice, I would be a professional now. I am not. But I still sometimes break down a drum roll and enjoy hearing my neighbors commenting on "it sounded like rain yesterday, but it was sunny?" :D

I gotta admit, Q, I saw this video of Tony's explanation many years ago and was secretly annoyed that he considered my technique at the time "willy nilly", then I worked on his technique, and realized Tony's technique made it so that muscle memory took over as opposed to reliance on bounce, which is the absolute core of drumming! Blessings bro, great video✌🏼

@drumqtips

9 ай бұрын

Glad you came around my friend:) TW was “onto something,” eh? 🤣🤣

ありがとうございます。

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

こちらこそ！

Arigatou gozaimasu, Q!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

@charlesshapiro9932

Жыл бұрын

Q. I am reAlly confused! Your saying that you play your double stroke roll articulating each stroke? There has got to be some degree of bounce to get up to speed

Great stuff.. I love the 5 stroke roll! I didn't realise it had helped my double stroke until u mentioned it!

I was lucky enough to have taken a private lesson with Tony at his loft in Harlem right around the time Million Dollar Legs came out. In fact, when i finally made to him (trains, subways etc as I lived in NJ) he had just received his first box of albums! He was a bit preoccupied. His loft had a pad set and his world famous yellow Gretch kit! After some conversation and phones calls he had to take, he finally asked me to play! I was around 19 - 20 at the time and had “prepared” a solo I was going to play for him! Lol. I nervously started to walk to the drums when he said… “no, no, the pads …”. Well I was immediately deflated lol but I went to the pads and “diddled” around (no pun intended). After a few minutes, his first piece of advice and main take away of the lesson was “play every stroke”! And then he proceeded to show me exactly what you’re showing everybody right now and at the time I was a little upset because the lesson was expensive and I didn’t really feel like I needed to see Tony Williams to learn how to hold the sticks. I kind of looked at him a little perplexed and I sure I said some thing but I don’t remember what it was but he says to me, “what do you expect me to show you all my licks? “ Lol. I mean this was THE Tony Williams who to this day is still my favorite drummer of all time so that’s what I left with and as it turns out looking back all these years it’s probably the most effective piece of advice as far as technique goes that I ever got from anyone!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Love this!!! What a great story and an amazing opportunity to learn directly from a genius!! Thank you so much for sharing 🙏🏾

@AllenLind

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips thanks !!!! And must say I love your channel and your drumming!!! It was amazing … there’s more… the lesson cost like 125 I think which back around 1980ish was a lot of money . I was actually 23 or so and playing in a full time cover rock band at the time but I was a jazz jazz fusion lover. WRVR was THE jazz station in nyc! Anyway since I left Tony’s with “just” what I thought was a basic lesson on holding the sticks, I decided I couldn’t afford that kind of $! For that so I didn’t call back. A few weeks later Tony called ME!! Man I was lame and told him I had to fix my car blah blah totally having no clue as to how valuable that lesson turned out to be! I went on to study with the great Barry Altshul (sam rivers. Chick C and also Horacee Arnold (tales of an exonerated flea!) I’ve always been an over qualified rocker. Lol!! Creativity is always my most important reason for making music although we can’t always be in those type of situations. Thanks for appreciating the memory!!

Premise: you are an awesome teacher and I enjoy your lessons as much as I enjoy listening to your playing. I absolutely get what you are trying to convey with this lessons but I just don’t understand how you can be so fast without leveraging the stick bounce

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that! Lots of practice…and maybe some luck🤣🤣

clean as a string bean

GREAT LESSON I HAVE MY STUDENTS PRACTICE THE GORILLA STROKE ON A PILLOW. THEN MOVE TO THE PRACTICE PAD SO THEY ARE FORCED TO AVOID DEPENDING ON THE BOUNCE. THEN TO THE DRUM, AND THEN WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN FRONT OF THE MIRROR. THIS TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND PRACTICE BUT THE RESULTS ARE AWESOME. YOUR CHOPS WILL SOUND VERY POWERFUL AND YOUR DRUMLINE WILL SOUND SO MUCH CLEANER AND STRONGER.

Ned from España here to say ....Yes indeed Dr. QD ! Great advice, lesson, breakdown and application. Thank you also to the late great Tony Williams. Sad that someone hasn't remastered that video yet. Once you can get the doubles even and strong it does so much for everything else. I like doing that exercise accenting the second beat because that forces me to engage my hands more and concentrate on evenness and control. Still working on it too because a well played roll is a sweet sound. Awesome Mr Davis. Question did you say that Philly Joe 4 stroke ruff is RLLR ? Thanks again

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Yup. That’s it on the Philly ruff!

Fantastic insight into doubles! Hopefully my doubles ain't that sloppy haha.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

If you’re thinking about them, your dubs are prolly cool Joey😉.

Great video as usual Quincy! Would you consider posting a gig vlog on youtube?

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Been trying to record my gigs more lately. I’ll post something soon.

Nice ….

Yes! Lately I’ve been trying find the right balance of firmness and looseness with the grip.. too firm and you lose fluidity, too loose and you lose clarity/definition.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Exactly Brian!

that pinky grip is recommended by Moeller himself in his book

youre a fantastic teacher. much respect from scotland. best wishes. can you help me with my flam double drag? I wanna play it like Larry mullen during the chorus of Pride (in the name of love).

@drumqtips

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. With every rudiment, you want to learn, just start slow, exaggerating accents, and slowly build the temple up. Cheers!

Hi, would you mind making a video about this Tony approach to singles? Because I think that he is the only drummer in history that has used that kind of thing, all the other drummers are using fingers and rebound, in my opinion.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

I’ll keep that in mind Nic👍🏾

The end goal is to have a roll that sounds like "tearing a window shade". Once you have it you'll have it forever. In the Jurrasic period I learned the double stroke roll fast first- its far better to start slow. Embrace the open double stroke roll. It is just as effective as a single if you own it.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

I like that analogy Gene!

Hey Hey! The business! Best I have found. Dear Quincy, How long each day should I practice the double stroke roll?

@drumqtips

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind compliment:) The key with getting better and improving at something is consistency doing it EVERYDAY. So it's less about how long per day and it's more about how many weeks in row should you do it. I would say, do everyday for no longer than 20 minutes. You will notice a big improvement. Daily practice is the key though. Cheers

@user-of3xw3zd7w

3 ай бұрын

@@drumqtipsMost days doing the roll now. I am building up 5bpm every couple of days. Thanks.

You and Jens Larson, Sean Daniel Should Jam

Thx Q ! It does make a difference. Could you elaborate on this “end fingers” grip ? Watched this Tony video a while ago, and worked on his idea of using muscles to lift the stick, letting gravitation pulling it down. How far are you into this concept ? I am a bit confused, just when do you use which grip … when to use back fingers to propel the stick ?

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Don’t overthink it. Just keep your pinky on the stick and use your wrist to move the stick. As it gets faster, you can incorporate more fingers but strive to keep your wrist engage no matter how fast you need to play.

@flober1970

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips we pianist, like to overthink :)

@flober1970

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips we pianist, like to overthink :)

Nice lesson! What kind of Vic Firth sticks are those?

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Check the description.

@eccentricorgan

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips What model of Vic Firth sticks?

Q, when we speed up we have to eventually hit that transition point from wrist (control) strokes to bounce, right? So when you speed up around 7:45 you're switching to bounce right (eg one wrist stroke for two notes) right? But just a more controlled bounce correct? Might it come down to three approaches: wrist, fingers, bounce - and practicing all three (eg just wrist, just fingers, just bounce) and then being able to combine them and use more or less of each at different tempos/applications? Thanks as always!

@freshboi8745

Жыл бұрын

My question exactly!

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

In this video, I never switch to fingers. If I’m using them, it’s very little. I should have demonstrated playing that speed on my leg to show that I was still not relying on bounce. But it’s ok to use fingers a bit as long as you’re controlling each bounce and it sounds even. Thanks!

@adamimberti6948

Жыл бұрын

I think it's about how your specific body mechanics work. A lot of drummers find transitioning to fingers gets them the fast doubles they're after and some drummers have more success playing from the wrist. I naturally play from the wrist and was making ok progress with my doubles until I started looking for more detailed instructions, all of which said to use rebound and play from my fingers.... after 6 months of frustration and zero progress I went back to playing from my wrists and started progressing again. There's this misconception that you *have* to use rebound a loose grip and fingers to get fast doubles and it's just not true.... it's one way to get there but it's not the only way. If you're having trouble with your doubles try playing out of the back of your hand more and accenting the second note and see if that gets you where you want to go.

@HappyDaddy3x

Жыл бұрын

That is also what I don't understand from this video lesson (by the way thank you very much for your time and your love for sharing). My understanding is that fast tempos require to move from 2 wrist movements with 1 stroke each to 1 wrist movement while two strokes. I don't really undersatnd how it is possible from the mechanical stand point and I would love to get more insights based on TW subject. May be another video 🙂 ?

@adamimberti6948

Жыл бұрын

@@HappyDaddy3x I don't mean to butt in but think of it as the two stroke Moeller. Instead of using your fingers to generate the second note you use the motion of your wrist as your arm comes back up to generate it. If you cock your wrist downwards as your arm is coming back up you're still getting the 2 notes from one motion deal.

Would practicing with brushes help? (no rebound)

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Ab-so-lute-ly!!! Thnx Richie!

Thanks I hear you but I still can't stay even my strokes are so choppy

@drumqtips

7 ай бұрын

You can do it Terrell. Make sure to keep your hands relaxed even though you want optimum control.

10:05

EvenDiddle

@drumqtips

3 ай бұрын

That's right!

@KingCrimson82

3 ай бұрын

@@drumqtipsthanks for the Drum roll lesson, i was able to get my first "ok" doublestrokeroll out of it. I was one of the hard hitters that learned to play in the 90s with an hard focus on hard music, i never practized rudiments or drum rolling since now, kinda.

deym that double stroke is precise than doin bounce strokes

When the tempo gets higher, don't you need to use the rebound at some point? Not everything can be played only using wrists...

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Yes at some point but I never used fingers in this video, even at fast speeds. Practice on a no-rebound surface.

I'm a little confused. If I slow the video down at 7:35 to 0.25x speed, it looks very much like the back fingers are slapping the stick down for the second stroke? Maybe the tiniest hint of wrist. Its controlled sure; the back 2 fingers are not losing contract with the stick, but I thought that was normal for a double stroke roll? It doesn't look to me like the back 2 fingers are literally wrapped around holding the sticks as such, just controlling it with the fulcrum remaining at the front of the hand. Hence my confusion ;-)

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Looks can be deceiving…I guess🤣🤣. There’s definitely some give with the back fingers but the stroke is being generated from the wrist more. Thanks for watching Mr. Alien drummer 👽

@Alienmuppet

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips Haha! Often I think the muppet part is more appropriate for me 😅. Thanks for the quick reply, I'll keep working on it 🙂

3:30 -- This is what always has confused me about the 'Tony Williams thing'; Tony Williams (excerpt) shows that the pinky and ring fingers are gripping the stick. In looking at your demonstration, while gripping with your pinky/ring it looks like you are still using the index and thumb -- this confuses me. If gripping the stick from pinky/ring, and still using index/thumb - where is the fulcrum ? Why does this confuse me so much? when I've tried this (gripping from pinky/ring), I usually have my index and thumb basically hanging around the stick, not even gripping it really. (it always feels very wrong to me)

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Fulcrum is between pointer and thumb. I’m not “gripping” the stick with my pinky, just making sure it’s rapped around the stick in a relaxed way. Hope that helps!

Quincy, you say you're not using your fingers (at 6:03); but isn't that the open/ close technique that allows for faster play. The wrist can only go so fast--even with match grip--then what?!!!

@drumqtips

3 ай бұрын

Good question Zach! After a certain spead, yes, you must use you fingers more than wrists but I never think about solely using fingers, just so I can play fast. I play doubles because I like the clarity the provide in the context of a roll. When it gets too fast, I just play a normal roll, for which I absolutely use fingers a lot more. Hope that helps!

@zachary813

3 ай бұрын

@@drumqtips My understanding is that open/close, push/pull, drop/catch, etc. is a technique that produces two hits for the price of one wrist. Therefore, it seems that after exhausting the use of the wrist, the open/close technique would be like shifting gears and going twice as fast.

So the question begs an answer: in what type of situation can we employ the bounce?

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

When the tempo is too fast to just use your wrists.

Smoking baby.....

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Roberto🙏🏾

Blink twice if someone’s forcing you to do the “are you ready?” bit in every video 😃

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Ha! I stole it from another KZreadr. Lol

As someone who only started playing drums at the age of 60, I'm struggling to get double strokes out at all, using ANY method. I really don't understand how you're doing what you're doing. It looks (to my uneducated eyes) like the technique isn't any different to how you'd play a single stroke. But that can't be the case....

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Same technique as singles as they are both generated from my wrists until the tempo gets too fast to play only from the wrists.

@bucksmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@drumqtips thanks for clarifying. Perhaps you could do another video on your technique for faster doubles. Or maybe I wasn't paying attention during this one!

I write this with all due respect, but you are wrong. The study of doubles is the study of rebound, using the inertia of the stick to play with fluidity. Playing drums is both playing with force and bounce. By recommending grasping the stick in the manner you show you are leaving out the most difficult part of practice - rebound - and how to manipulate it and control it. Sticks bounce, that's the whole point especially when playing jazz. No matter what Tony said is one single video about how he holds the stick in his right hand, there is no denying he had a masterful control over the rebound of the stick when playing his ride. Watch "Tony Williams playing the ride cymbal" video. I respectfully recommend you show us playing 30 seconds of mp doubles at 180 bpm, I'm guessing there is no way you will use wrist only.

@drumqtips

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughts X. If you think that I’m saying don’t use rebound at all then I didn’t make that clear. I agree with you 100%. But most drummers ONLY use rebound to generate their strokes. Not good. That’s what TW was talking about as it relates to play the drums; especially since he played such low tuned drums later in his career. The drums have him very little rebound. Of course when playing the ride, especially fast tempos, he’s using rebound (and fingers) much more than on the drums. Two different techniques. I could have been clearer in talking about not fighting the natural rebound of the stick. Thanks👍🏾