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@bluematrix5001

5 жыл бұрын

@Streaky I did not understand well, you should measure your sweet spot just inside the triangle (with Sonar woks too?)? or you should measure in the triangle and sit just inside him?? ...I read that SW tells you to put the mic in the triangle point. Thanks

@audioglass

5 жыл бұрын

Dude, your link is a 404

What they don't want you to know is how cheap the parts for the speaker's are.

@albonymus1682

4 жыл бұрын

you could say that about any product in the world Theres more behind calculating prices than prices of individual parts... If youd go by that only you could probably buy your powerhorse pc that costs around 1500-2000€ for about 100€ or a SSL mixing console for maybe 300€ since its mainly transistors and knobs...maybe a pc would be even more expensive than an SSL Analogue console if you go by parts price only....

@tormendor8585

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah just think about graphics cards like RTX 3090, no way a lump of silicone costs 3k This is a plain stupid scam boohoo

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

@@tormendor8585 It's not just the silicone what you pay for wtf. 3grand is because of scalpers by the way. It's NOT the MSRP. No one should buy stuff from scalpers!

@tormendor8585

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 Your brains probably work on Intel HD Graphics since you cant see a fucking joke.

@tormendor8585

3 жыл бұрын

@@kaedeschulz5422 also isn't it kinda hypocritical for you to say that xD

I've been using Sonarworks for just over 2 years now and it made a huge difference to my mixes. I wouldn't want to mix or master without it now, it totally cleaned up the low mids and lows for me.

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah its mega for low mids :)

@just.some.dud3

6 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. The difference in low mids was huge.

@michaelweinstein3056

6 жыл бұрын

It's seems self evident that the big dips and peaks are below 500 htz due to room modes. Above that, in my room at least, speakers tend to behave much more linearly.

@mrjackieson

6 жыл бұрын

I keep telling people that same thing. Some purists reject Sonarworks but it just makes your work so easy.

I've been looking at getting it for a while. Thanks for the reminder streaky 👍

Agree, added a good degree of confidence to my mixes and I can’t shut up about it! I should work for them too 😊 For me the amount of bass is now much easier to judge, wise to work at a calibrated level when using it (or a few for those of use the need to monitor quietly sometimes or bounce out a mix for a big system..) as I believe it accentuated the psychoacoustic results of masking at different volumes etc. need a very quiet environment to get it to work a lower levels.. I tuned my ok system in a horrible sounding shop space and now have a good reference to listen to while I’m working, the difference it made there is phenomenal!

Hey! I have two questions: 1: What filter phase do you use for mastering? 2: What's your opinion on using it with reference headphones? Thanks!

As much as I don't want to try it I might give it a go. My room is extremely flat (built from the ground up based around flush mounted ATC SCM100s) so I think it'll probably tweak everything nicely but for those with normal rooms I just don't see how it can improve (it'll definitely change it though!) things significantly. Most monitoring problems are related to time domain issues and Sonarworks can't deal with these...For example if you have a modal resonance at 100hz in your room turning it up or down with EQ or adjusting the phase relationship between the speakers won't make any difference, you'll still have ringing at 100hz. There is absolutely no substitute for treating your room. It's taken me a great deal of time an effort to gain an understanding of monitoring/control room acoustics and as far as I can see most people aren't that interested in really getting to grips with it! People actually think that Sonarworks gives them a 'flat' room, it really doesn't. If you look at a waterfall graph of your room before and after Sonarworks then you'll see how its impossible to reduce ringing from modal issues or specular reflections. Stop thinking about your room being flat in terms of frequency response because your basically missing the point, sort out your time domain issues and your frequency response will take care of itself (and then tweak with Sonarworks if you want).

@bukarin

4 жыл бұрын

@ListenAndLearned Yep 100% Look at the time domain information (waterfall, spectographs etc) and build a picture of your problem areas!

nice 1 streaky, really looking forward to some MAIN monitor reviews, would love to see some Dynaudio / Adams / Quested / Hedd towers ;)

Thanks for this tip. Definitely going to check it out.

although you can reduce the amplitude of frequency modes with equalizer, how do you deal with decay time?

I use a Sonarworks custom calibrated set of HD800 headphones and I have to say it was a real eye-opener and alongside Waves NX and a good DAC it has made it possible for me to mix with headphones...Sonarworks is awesome.

Been using Sonarworks for a couple of years - couldn't work without it. Before that was using the ARC system which was pretty good, but I tested how they sounded against each other and Sonarworks won. The headphone calibration is awesome as well.

Interesting stuff. Thanks!

I have an 80's analog tascam eq on my setup to help the bass frequencies of my b&w601s2's.. Of course it changes the source sound and phase a bit.. But it sounds so damm warm and amazing.. Before my speakers used to play music but now they really perform.

Where do you plug in a turntable?

I’m using Sonarworks 4.1 right now with my IB2s-a also!! Amazing amazing result!!! I’ve tried it with different Preamp and it does really change the « sound » you’re talking about! I ended up with using Millenia but if you have any better, flatter options I’m really curious to see what’s best. I bet trying different AD converters would change the sound too...

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

Samuel Laflamme snap...da ad conversion changes it a lot but that is down to sound preference when you get passed a certain price point...

Hi, just wondered if you could help me?.... have you ever heard of NUMAN Speaker 🔊 and if so are they any good?.... your knowledge would be much appreciated....

I agree Sonarworks is fantastic, it sorted a 6db bump between 100 and 400hz in my room even though I have tonnes of treatment, sounds so weird when it's bypassed now. Would not mix without it, brilliant investment!

I'm currently using a MiniDSP. Allows me to correct every speaker individually, up to 4 channels on the version I have. Think I spent about 250 euros total which includes an individually calibrated mic. Sounds great, helped me out a lot.

@SLArmstrong

6 жыл бұрын

I am prepared to implement a MiniDSP 2X4 HD into my primary stereo next week. You, along with this video, convinced me to also install one in my home studio. Thanks!

Got the sonarworks headphone reference on Black Friday, and seriously , my headphones mixes now translate to the speakers. I used to have the arc system back then, but sold it eventually. I might as well get the one for my monitors, since I already have a measurement mic.

Sonarworks is great! So easy to use, the best bit of kit I’ve bought in years. I ended up getting some calibrated headphones as well! Funny how home hi-fi / home cinema are using room correction more and more now.

Nice video! Putting the price difference aside, how do you rate Trinnov versus Sonorworks?

Streaky, great video. Do you use SonarWorks on your NS-10s? I remember hearing you say that you have a pair. I have a mono Auratone and some NS-10s for reference monitors.. not sure if putting SW on them would sorta defeat the purpose of having a 'grot box'

Just bought IK Mulitmedia's Arc 3 and really looking forward to trying it out. 😎

What preamp is best for the Sonarworks suit? Because then can't a preamp be part of what the software is hearing and also the converters in and out? Is there a preamp you know as being the most transparent flat sound there is? I building a studio at some point but all my preamps on the list are coloured for specific sounds, but I can't see them being good for this. Any suggestions. My main converters will be the antelope Pure2's. It's not a budget studio but it's also not high high end. Mostly in the box with a few choice analogue components on the inputs and out puts. I've kept going back and forth on the sonarwork and now you've brought me back in.' Would appreciate the extra bit of advice with this variable.

Got the new ILoud MTM with the built in ARC one mic position where you sit at your working station and works a treat, perfct for a home studio/project studio.

Have ARC2 but never liked it, did something weird to the soundfield. Might try Sonarworks but isn't it pretty useless without their mic? Could try it with my Slate ML2 which is supposed to be pretty flat.

So when using Sonarworks StudioID, it is supposed to make measurements in your Reflection Free Zone (RFZ) and create a flat Frequency response for your speakers in your RFZ. Does that mean that with this software it does not matter which brand of speakers you use anymore? ( as long as the speakers you do use have a short time domain response and are able to cover 20Hz - 20KHz) 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I tried it out in my new room and it sounded much more balanced tonally but the stereo field disappeared almost entirely. It made the speakers sound a lot less 3D. I ended up using it to let me know where to focus my room acoustics

Hey Streaky, really enjoying your videos. I’ve been mixing and mastering for over 30 years myself and still learn something new every day! I’ve incorporated some of your tips into my process too so keep them coming! Just wanted to say on this subject - I’ve been using the ARC system for many years - I think it was released before Sonarworks, so it was the only real choice at the time. Totally agree that the setup process is a drag but I have found that once you get it set up right, it sounds - to my ears anyway - way better than Sonarworks which I demoed out of curiosity. The transients seem tighter and somehow things sound more smeary and overly soft with Sonarworks compared to the sound I’m used to from ARC. I’ve use the ARC on everything from original American HR824’s through PMC IB1’s and TB2’s to my current Neumann KH310’s and I’ve always been able to trust that sound - it always seems to translate really well etc. I guess part of it comes down to what you’re used to. For me also, my home theatre rig used Audessey room correction (basically the same algorithm as ARC), to correct my 7.1.4 Atmos setup so I find that continuity makes for a useful reference too. Just thought I’d share my experience on the subject too. Keep up the great work with the videos man! Best wishes. Harvey Summers.

@Streaky did u check the Hedd Type 30 with sonarworks or with Linearizer?

Streaky -- Question, do you use any dedicated saturation or distortion in your process? If so, could you elaborate in a video why and what your device/method is or why not? Thank you!

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

nope dont use any

If you read Sigfried Linkwitz's page on speaker engineering, you'll learn that the room is the culprit. More specifically, it's the way speakers interact with the room at fault. Most box loudspeakers are very non-uniform with their directivity, causing reflections to have greater content with lower frequencies. These non-linear reflections muddy the sound. DSP can tame resonances in the listening position, but they can't fix monopole speakers.

Streaky, in the video you make the impression that you've measured your near fields. Have you measured and corrected the PMCs? If not, why is that?

I use Dirac Live for room correction on my NAD amp and its awesome. It removes most of the room boom from bass.

Works great in my lees than ideal room. But I also use it with 2 pairs of calibrated headphones purchased from sonarworks... well worth the price for the software and cans!

You could usefully get yourself a mic with a flat response too. This one takes off on sibilants. Is it a MEMS mic?

Did a mix on the headphone trial of it and holy smokes. The mix and master I did translated so well. Definitely gonna purchase it..

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

yep...winner

So, my mix recall process has become much quicker since using sonarworks. No more back and forth. I wish they had an easier way to switch speakers with the software though.

I’m using sonarwarks for almost a year now. It really helped me getting my mixes up. But do you baypass the sonarworks plugin before you export your track? Thanks in advance 🙏🏽

@michaelweinstein3056

6 жыл бұрын

Sandy Beats Most definitely

Thanks Streaky!!!

I've used ARC and hated it and use Sonarworks every day. It's fantastic and has helped every pair of speakers I've used it on. I have the Focal Twin 6 speakers. My room has a LOT of bass trapping and diffusion but because of the dimensions, it's got a bump at 200-300 hz. Sonarworks works it out and I'm able to get completely translatable results. I can hear .25 DB adjustments on track EQs now. I don't have to guess what it'll sound like when I'm done.

I use my neighbours, they start to yell with too much bass when playing Motorhead

@kaedeschulz5422

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf!? Motörhead has like no bass

I've been using it for a few months now it's an incredible product (it's much much better than ARC). My question for you is, if you were to room correct all speakers that comes into your room, basically they would sound pretty similar in terms of frequency response, then would it be correct to say that, then the remaining factors that you'll be deciding what speakers to use will probably come down to dynamic response and how detailed they are?? Also, for mixing, would you say that EQ-ing the speakers might cancel the frequency characteristics of the speakers (ie. NS10s being mid range-gy) which might give you valuable information?

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Wei No it doesn’t change the sound / character of the speaker...a shit speaker is still a shit speaker...just helps you hear on what level of shitness they are...or greatness too :)

Now that I've understood what they do, the Kii Threes in particular as well as the Dutch & Dutch cardiod speakers get the room out of the equation in an amazing way. I don't think any eq can compete with that. Soon all speakers will use this cardiod dsp approach. Almost science fiction.

Tried them all!!!! Trinnov is the best, but it's expensive. I use MiniDSP DiracLive DDRC-22D (using Spdif) . It's Amazing, sounds awesome (Focal SM9 + Prism Orpheus), super user friendly, u can tunne it to your tast after it corrects everything, it totally changed everything for me. Years and tons money correcting 1-2dB on the low end with acoustic treatment and this just revolutionised my sound. Just my 2cc

@SLArmstrong

6 жыл бұрын

I am prepared to implement a MiniDSP 2X4 HD into my primary stereo next week. You, along with this video, convinced me to also install one in my home studio. Thanks!

@NuNonsenseMusic

6 жыл бұрын

No prob :) at one time it was something like this that convinced me as well. In your studio, if you have a very good AD/DA try to use a MiniDSP DiracLive DDRC-22D ( only digital ), the reason is i dont know if the convertion of the mini DSP boxes are any good or not, but i would say they aren't top notch. If you have a middle range conversion i think u can use a analog MiniDSP box. Think about that before buying, because when in doubt always try to remove any conversion between your speakers and your AD/DA.

@mrjackieson

6 жыл бұрын

Do you notice much latency? I was looking at this system before I went with Sonarworks. I ended up going with Sonarworks and I love it. But I have a UAD Apollo 16 and I'd love to monitor a live band recording in my room and have it adjusted to my room. Instead, I monitor a live band recording through my DAW being corrected by Sonarworks. The latency is my question. Thank you! I'd love to have as much detail about the system as you can give.

I have a 40-year old loudspeaker system that already delivers the low-mids correctly and doesn't trigger the upper bass room nodes like every speaker out there does. It also goes lower than anything at three times it's size. I will soon be launching this system in an updated but to original spec version using only the finest components money can buy. Room EQ should not be needed and besides, the brain can manipulate the more subtle elements. Transparency and speed are better served without EQ coming in-between the source and the loudspeaker.

I just tuned my room with Sonorworks last week!!!! :) I have a very good sounding room wuthout a lot of refections, and I built a vocal booth for my Neumann U87, because it was picking up the traffic outside. But, the room has a carpet, a couch, and the vocal booth made from 3 x mattresses in the corner, that also absorbs sound. I woulld love to have those PMC´s behind you. Instead, I´m going for a more affordable pair, the Focal Shape Twins. I´ve read up on them, and they´re supposed to be really good. Of course, another thing to consider is to find speakers that will fit your room, and aren´t over powering. For instance, I love the Focal Twin 6´s, but they´re 450 watts. That´s too powerful for my room. It´s important to consider that. Of course, I would love to have a pair of small PMC´s, ATC´s, or even a Barefoot, but I can´t afford them at the moment. Maybe next time?! :)

+Streaky As a side note, you should read and/or watch as much as you can of Floyd Toole's, Sean Olive's, & Geddes' loudspeaker research and their blind & un-blind listener/hearing tests. Before you employ the use of DSP/Speaker Correction, understand what, why, and HOW our Ears and Brain hear Loudspeakers, and the Room they are in. Pay particular attention to "Power Response". I'd also highly recommend the research that Linkwitz' has done. You might want to look into the *Strauss Monitors* (Swiss, I believe) and the Transaudio/Subwoofer Pros subwoofers. Apparently Sony Mastering in NYC did a huge speaker shootout for their entire mastering facility (including PMC) and chose the Strauss Monitors for all of their mastering rooms. Eric Valentine of Barefoot Studios uses them and discusses them here at 10:37... kzread.info/dash/bejne/g2mhltqshZyrgZc.html One last thought. I'm personally not a fan of your "Screaming" (ALL CAPS) and Clickbait KZread Titles. As a professional, it certainly brings your credibility into question.

Hey, Streaky Thanks for this review! I'm new to Sonarworks it's been a couple of weeks only since I started using it. I was wondering what filter type are you using? Is It Linear Phase or Zero Latency? Your help is much appreciated.

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

MixPhase Audio Services linear phase works for me but play around

@mixphaseaudioservices9194

6 жыл бұрын

Thank You!

Hey streaky. I’ve been mastering a lot of music with heavy reverb.. like Luna del Ray.. it’s hard because as you know everything is so smeared ,, any tips

@arande3

3 жыл бұрын

Look up Lana's producer or mix engineer.

Streaky, I'm shocked you only have 14k subs (AsOfApril2019) ! I have been watching youtube for audio topics since around 2010 but your channel never came up in my feed before. This is way better than 99% of the competition out there. Your delivery style is spot on. Good job. Keep it up.

@Streaky_com

5 жыл бұрын

Nice one thanks for the support 👍

@MSFSFreeware

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it's because he says "the secret" and then never tells us lol - no one likes click bait :¬) And no, sonarworks is not the secret, having different rooms, speakers and equipment gives different sounds? We all know that lol !! Printers, monitors and scanners have colour profiles, it's the same hting here, but with audio. That's fine if it's just in your own setup, but what do you compare it to? You'd end up doing the flat room again (room eq), which is what this is doing, just with a fancy doobery !! The whole point is to record using neutral speakers, the room doesn't count, as in a proper studio the room will be as dead as a dodo. Once that wave goes past your ears, it never comes back.

I highly recommend Sonarworks for everyone. I had a pair of Dynaudio monitors in a terrible room, i used to believe that i needed better monitors until Sonarworks made a miracle and now my mixes translate everywhere just fine (yes, even if the room remains terrible, some 10 dB correction going on in the app). Also Sonarworks is awesome in regular non studio speakers, i had amazing results with speakers that i though as garbage...

Good to see Streaky back on the SonarWorks marketing team 🤜🤛

I think I missed something here. I remember now, it was the secret. I think I'll buy an audio secret decoding microphone.

I've been using Sonarworks for the last couple of years. It's almost like a magic pill!

I used to do this over 10 years ago with one of the Roger Nichols plugins.

Room equalization only works well below about 300 Hz. Use it only after adding room treatment. Also, select monitors with smooth off axis response. You cannot fix bad monitors with eq period.

ARC is ok too now, just a few measurements around the sweetspot, quick and easy

Use and love Sonarworks. :)

Love Sonarworks, i used it for few months and my mixes are better.

Sonarworks seem to a be a very good choice. I'm very happy with the Genelec GLM calibration. Calibration stored inside the monitors means never need to think about switching on and off any plugin.

@bbfoto7248

6 жыл бұрын

+corner liston Does the Genelec's built-in correction add any latency?

@cornerliston

6 жыл бұрын

Hi bb foto! No latency at all. And room correction only works attenuated so there's no frequencies being boosted. According to Genelec this is to avoid phasing issues. Maybe there's always phasing issues even with attenuating eq? But for me nothing audible.

well, genelec has this feature inside the speaker, are promoting it heavily. yes, room first, a null is a null is a null...

Can you review Genelec 8361 please?!

can we see the reading of your room Streaky?????? :)

I use sonarworks for my headphones and it’s amazing

@Streaky My new control room will be 2350mm x 3750mm. Am I fucked? I've got the latest Sonarworks software.

I never believed that this would work until I did a sine sweep before and after.

so does he master with his monitors *behind* him?

I wish it would not be plugin! I wish it would sit in my system so that everything I listen to goes through Sonaworks. I used to use a 2nd mac mini running a daw and run live everything through IK ARC or Sonaworks but it introduces even more latency. Wish I could afford the Trinnov. So what I ended up doing is to use those tools to find the broader problems and use the speaker EQs and placement to get closer to flat. But I am not a big fan of having only a plugin in my DAW at the end of my monitor chain.

....there was a lot of arguments on Gearslutz about using room correction and how it will just make room problems worse...but in my opinion, although there is probably something in that technical point, in reality it seems like it does help....and those poeple who want to cling onto the technical argument I guess they loose out on an improved room...;)

sonarworks was a true life and gamechanger!!! Treat your room acoustically the best you can and then use sonarworks or trinnov if u wanna spend some more dollars :-)

Your Sonorworks link is dead... got a new one?

massive difference!

I like Sonarworks. However, I'm really like they wisely incorporated a wet/dry knob (making it drier reduces the correction of both peaks and nulls) Reason being is that the corrective filters have an arbitrary slope and and gain/attenuation. For example, if your room has has a drastic problem which needs a high Q to correct, the result may be kinda "not right" sounding. Also as Streaky (btw what's the origin of the monicker?) mentioned you don't want to correct anything that needs more that 6db gain. Corrective attenuation of over 6db isn't a problem. Makes me wonder why SW has such limited post-correction customization available (I'll contradict Streaky's assertion that it has "loads". It'd be great if you could tweak individual parts of the spectrum, not mere global adjustments. Btw, Streaky left out SW's crown jewel: the ability to flatten out headphones. I applied a generic Sony 7506 correction to an old beat up pair and the result was a FAR FAR superior set of cans: night and day. The whacky FR of the 7506 suddenly became as flat and mellow as nice reference cans.

I currently just use an Equaliser APO and peace GUI to make my own filters. Mainly for taming bass peaks and making my 4" speakers go down to 40Hz as they are 75cm away I'm trying to treat the room more though, as EQ cannot fix reverberation problems and other reflection based effects

Totally agree. Sonarworks are the way to go.

Ground sound make high qualtiy dsp active crossovers that beat most of what i have seen and heard.they have romcorrection.They use a pc via usb to program them.it use crossover wisard that downloads from their site.they have digital preamp with built in active 3 or 4 ways crossover modules also.The best i have bougth off audio gear is 2 ground sound dnc24rpc witch are 2 stereo 2 way croosover or configurable as 2 mono 4 ways crossovers.

Try a pair of PSI Audio A25-M. You won't let them go!

I've been using sonarworks 3 for some years it's awsome! Some tips: 1) I strongly consider to take a better mic than the stock one. The results get even better. (You can replace the mic curve at the beginning) 2) Better mesure your room without the furniture stuff around (if you can ofcourse) and try to use it on minimal latency mode (not linear). Avoid linear mode in any case. You don't want an eq with pre-ringing at your monitors cause it might be flatter but it destroys the stereo image. 3) As streaky says try to use it at 6 db (not 12 db) and even some times if your room it well treated already try to put it at 80%. It's really good. Streaky! i'm very curious to know what are the measurements in your room. Would you like to post them if you have the time ? Thanks a lot!

@RoboticusMusic

6 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that about the stereo image, would you say linear EQ messes with the stereo image when used as a mix tool? This also makes me wonder about the Kii's which I believe use a linear phase EQ in their DSP.

@michaelweinstein3056

6 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, I've been of the mindset that it's better to measure the room WITH the furniture, racks, etc as this will be more representative of how you'll be listening to the corrected version. I've gone so far as to try and keep my desk chair as close to where it is typically, even though I've had to do leaps and hurdles to get the mic into the correct measurement spot. Curious as to what's your logic into taking the opposite track?

@IliasPanteliasGR

6 жыл бұрын

Just check space sounds with and without. And make your assumptions as i made mine!

@IliasPanteliasGR

6 жыл бұрын

More furniture in wrong places = More problems acoustically to get really measured correctly by a software. Your room is what is the most important. Except if there are furniture that are placed in the right position and makes a good impact to your room The idea with sonarworks is not to make it perfect because it's not perfect anyway. Note down also, that Streaky how tested it in his room, he has already an ideal conditions.

@michaelweinstein3056

6 жыл бұрын

Ilias Pantelias I guess the solution would be to measure with and without furniture. In this case it's really only a couple of pieces. My room is essentially a small professionally treated "mastering" room as I don't do any tracking and have bass trapped the hell outta that space. For less acoustically treated room, you may be right in your thinking that more complex shapes make it harder for the software to do it's job correctly. As for the ultimate goal of what Sonarworks is trying to achieve, it does appear to me that it's flattening FR without consideration to a curve of any kind. It resolves discrepancies like peaks and troughs and creates a curve that mirrors those anomalies to get the FR as flat as possible from 20 to 20k. Did the designers of the software describe to you a different goal?

so how big is the difference between sonarworks and trinnov? maybe room treatment + sonarworks + an avaa would do a great job... for the money? THX

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

I would say that getting the room as good as poss first always but correction software does give the missing bit...all rooms have that missing bit, I've worked in 1 million pound rooms and £1 rooms and they all have an issue of some kind. Not put the two against each other but they both have their quirks...like latency on trinnov (they may have sorted that by now)

@ruffin5882

6 жыл бұрын

It's funny because i did just today afternoon some research about room correction. My main concern is about the Sonarworks, that it's only a Mono measurement mic, while the trinnov has a 3d measurement mic? In my opinion Trinnov should do something for less money, for homestudio owner maybe with the 3d mic, because the technology the already have...?

@josiway

6 жыл бұрын

Sonarworks takes measurements in 24 positions, and it is smart that it somehow identifies the position of your mic precisely (probably via calculation of response times from left and right speakers). It probably measures more points than the trinnov 3d mic in one shot. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

@michaelweinstein3056

6 жыл бұрын

Joseph Wei I believe the latest version takes 36 measurements.

show us your new room ! :-)

Well.. now all the rage is Mini DSP and Dirac live ;)

Here is the best secret. If you are good at building passive speaker crossovers, you can just buy cheap speakers that have the drivers you need and then completely redo the crossovers to make them sound how you want them to. Did this to Monoprice 3-way in wall speakers and took them from shit sounding to amazing sounding. Crossovers are where manufacturers cut costs. As long as the drivers are not total shit, you can make any speaker sound amazing with the right crossover treatment.

It would help if you'd had some sort of script or at least crib cards.

Will you post reviews on as many of those speakers as you can? Glad to see you have moved on from the restrictions of the last studio.

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

will do...Love having my own playroom, it's fine tune central !!!

I've tried using these but the sound of the EQ over the mix always puts me off.

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

Jesse Skeens its ok as long as it doing slight changes big changes you need to look at your room imo

EQing the speakers to fix the room is a bit pointless as it does not fix the room modes, boundary effect, smearing of the phantom image, or reverberation time at specific frequencies - Theses are the things that really matter, not the overall tonal curve of the perceived sound.. If you got all of those things under control, it doesn't matter how your speakers will sound, as long as you know and understand their sound in your room well.

I use to play acoustic guitar in my average room and It sounds exactly same as real guitar i cannot tell the difference.

Sonarworks.. worth my weight in gold (I'm a mix engineer with a well-treated room)

@justingriffin2546

6 жыл бұрын

i live in a bamboo house in philipinnes, the walls are bamboo matting, mahogany floor....do you think this is a good audio environment....i have no glass windows either...

@artureff3046

3 жыл бұрын

@@justingriffin2546 use headphones, speakers may blow that house

some critics say that equalizers ruin the sound ... unless you spend a lot of money. I guess that they mean that eq adds some kind of distortion ? However thank you very much for the advice.

@georginikolov1141

4 жыл бұрын

Phase,distortion

No good for analogue hardliners. Plus how does it know where to stop correcting LF? You could just be adding power and distortion in bass frequencies into a speaker with limited LF. Or adding distortion because bass frequencies are cancelled in the room. At the end of the day it can't substitute for a good room. It's just another plug in. Too much faith is put into all this dsp because it seems cheap and easy.

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

I think engineers need to realise that you need to set the room up correctly first...or the best they can in the space they have...then this will help with final details.

I use sonarworks. The only pain in the butt is, you have to remember to turn it off everytime you bounce or print your master track. Fortunately the plugin even reminds you to turn it off but only when you‘re bouncing and not if you do a master print inside your session because it doesn‘t know.

@ReginaldKSon

3 жыл бұрын

Not in Studio One.

Tried it once in my older Room, but could not complete the Measurements as it wanted me to backwards the Mic much further then listening position and even the wall itself! It couldnt localise the MIC properly! Luckily didnt bought it. I bought Dirac before which als measures the Room, it makes the response totally flat! And in my case lifeless music and felt listening to an EQ. So moved to another room were i could get the Genelec’s in Phase and alligned the SUB in near Phase and enjoying music again. Maybe in this room Sonarworks actually can locate the MIC but i feel comfortable in this room even while testing its clear few DB’s off it doesnt bother me that much, not having huge standing waves which i had in the old room 16,8 DB at 128hz, that was annoying, Dirac Fixed that but doesnt sound Natural to me. For sure Sonarworks could do a better job. Cheers!

@Streaky_com

6 жыл бұрын

give it a new spin, it's changed massively over the last couple of years

@patrickalphenaar

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Streaky Thanks! I Might give it a Spin Again! Love your Honest reviews each and everytime, can be very valuable for people looking, and in needs of Gear! And just Entertainment talking about audio, gear and sound. Hope you will Audition and review DyneOne by Leapwing Audio, think you might love it! Cheers!

@michaelweinstein3056

6 жыл бұрын

patrickalphenaar The misreading of the position of the mic during measuring is due to a sample rate issue according to the FAQ. I think all ADCs/DACs have to be set at 44.1

@patrickalphenaar

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Weinstein Hi, Thanks. All was set to 44,1 khz as that time i tried to fixed it and looked it up what could be wrong. Didnt worked out for me. I could try it again in my new room however i am very happy with the sound and no certain frequencies bothering me. It all feels just right and flat. So probably wont try it. Thanksz for your advice. Cheers.

I see the best solution is room isolution using only wood and most important focusing on density of bass absorption (db). I dont recommend anyone buying products for this situation at all , it is BS for me . 2- isolate studio monitor from table using iso accoustic not foam!!! 3- studio monitor angle at 45 degree towards you , and move back little bit you will be able to hear alot of stereo details .

@endlessanalog

5 жыл бұрын

Amer Darwich don’t knock it until you try it. Free 21 day version.

I knew about this software for several years now but couldn't remember the name, so thank you again! Found it and the price as well, they have a list of headphones on their site as well for mixing in apartments etc. so you may want to read that before you purchase headphones for your studio 'cause mine aren't there. But you can send them a message and they will help you out. Well worth the money for a great bit of software, and the reference mic as well. So far, the best channel on KZread, after 10 years of watching.

Seems to me that the 'Sonarworks' application, should be used at every Consumer and Pro Audio show and Convention. For the norm is an unfamiliar Hotel Room, which more often than not; has a myriad of Acoustical Problems. eg. echo, which is all the more prominent once the room bed is removed, to allow for a proper Listening Area. Also, things like Standing Waves etc. etc. "That Great Sounding Room " at ANY Show; regardless of the $$$ of the gear, are few and far between. I'm guessing of those few; there's a lot of work on Speaker Placement. Which would include; attending to Room Boundaries etc. But, to a large extent; It's dumb luck. So I concur. The Speaker Companies are doing themselves a great disservice by Not using 'Sonarworks' or a similar means of (DSP ?) Room Correction. "First Impressions" are paramount. So, it certainly behooves Speaker Manufacturers, " to go the extra mile". Room Correction is Fair and Right. Great Video. So thanks, for the thoughtful advice ... Cheers ! ; )

@RoaroftheTiger

5 жыл бұрын

P.S. As "first impressions" are paramount. It behooves Speaker Manufacturers to "go the extra mile". Room Correction, is Fair and Right.

Meh, I just mix on a pair of 12 inch, 1000 watt QSC floor monitors. Works for me :)

*DUDE YOU ARE 2 SECONDS AWAY FROM A THUMBS DOWN...!* TIME POINT 3:00

OK whats a Fuzz meter

@fosterlewis7360

6 жыл бұрын

Think he meant fuzzmeasure. Was bought by røde some while back.