Amazing to think that all of this was happening while Henry VIII was romancing and then murdering Anne Boleyn.

@ladylowman6403

4 жыл бұрын

Neelia this would have been right up his ally

@cristinasevcenco3732

4 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what i was thinking omg

@stompthedragon4010

4 жыл бұрын

Imagineif Henry had sent Ann to the Sultan instead of beheading her

@pearlosibu

4 жыл бұрын

@@stompthedragon4010 she'd have become a favourite 😁

@lacedemonians

3 жыл бұрын

The difference is that we Westerners criticize Henry VIII's forays with his wives.

As a young man, I came to know an extremely old lady in her late eighties, of Greek extraction, that was the last French mistress of the women in the Harem. Her name was Sofia Ephredike Nicolette Gregory, Gregory being the surname of the husband that she married. Their son, George, was a great friend of mine. She said that the women of the Harem were far better educated than the average woman of the time, but that there was, of necessity, great rivalry among them, hoping to catch the eye and favour of the Sultan.

@dinosaur7115

4 жыл бұрын

zimnaya interesting how is she now? hope she is doing fine and thanks for the extra knowledge

@Vladklx

4 жыл бұрын

So what still she was captured as slave from her family.. torn apart.. Its just survival.. No contact with outside world.. U just adapt and your mindset will change..

@cledwynstafford4819

4 жыл бұрын

..thanks for telling us this info. Cheers

@ShikhaSingh-mg2ur

4 жыл бұрын

Its like bird in a golden cage

@SEdwards1000

4 жыл бұрын

You have a rare access to shed light on this subject.

Prince Osman giggling about being buried with great ceremony killed me. Then he added "which is not much of a consolation" just SENT ME. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It was a breeding program for future sultans, the concubine slaves were brood mares and the sultan was the stallion. There was no consideration of love or family, because they also practiced fratricide. That is what was so shocking about Suleyman and Hurrem falling in love, forsaking all others, and creating nuclear family in the midst of those harsh traditions.

@asamanyworlds3772

2 жыл бұрын

Very true

@lsjt8924

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah… a nuclear family which ended with a father and son killing another son and brother… this culture was even more savage than European courts at the time, and that’s saying something.

@lindac6919

Жыл бұрын

Oh, Like the Kardashian/Jenners. Except that none of them love anyone except themselves.

@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459

Жыл бұрын

And in a sense it was a necessity for the time - the Harem produced 10 healthy sultans by the time of Suleiman whereas, with many western monarchies, many bloodlines went extinct in case of war or other circumstances! On the other side, fratricide was quite common till the early 17th century and from then on any prospective Sultan was kept away at the Harem till he was ready!

@davidcarothers3311

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Quite similar to the Hungry Sluts who claim providence in Western societies. Look up 236 Pine St., Port St. Joe, Fla. A Unique Experience for Ralph and Moe!!

"The skill that most harem woman are adept at....that is, embroidery." Well slap me surprised. Lol

@cledwynstafford4819

4 жыл бұрын

..they would have studied music, poetry the Koran, singing, history, mathematics, dance and different languages. She just did not sit on her fat ass eating candy.

@Vladklx

4 жыл бұрын

@@cledwynstafford4819 whatever dude they were captured from their families...

@cathyb2967

4 жыл бұрын

cledwyn stafford They were trained by older Women how to pleasure the Men .How to satisfy all their sexual desires .

@clydecavalieri8490

4 жыл бұрын

Is that what they are calling it these days?

@cathyb2967

4 жыл бұрын

Clyde Cavalieri 😂😂😂.they were not kept for their needlework .l bet .

48 minutes of “nobody really knows...”

@robinhood6399

4 жыл бұрын

Victoria F Thank you! You've just saved me, not just 45 minutes, but probably countless hours down the rabbit hole. I'm going for a walk now🙂

@Bullen_3

4 жыл бұрын

Rather like most history

@silverkitty2503

4 жыл бұрын

What happens in vegas stays in vegas.

@ryukoros

4 жыл бұрын

ah! thanks for the time save!

@k4nd17r33

4 жыл бұрын

@@silverkitty2503 you win

They DID have family. They were just torn from them. 🙄 How can anyone speak of these traditions without a morale empathy.

@josephdockemeyer6782

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! These women - girls really - were STOLEN from their loved ones. This was sexual SLAVERY!!!

@skateboarding118

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of families wanted to send their daughters to the harem; and the lucky ones succeeded.

@NaViAgain-ts9lj

3 жыл бұрын

Moral empathy for what? Living an luxurious life? Most of them didn't even see the Sultan. They lived a much better life than normal peasants at that time

@polarbearhero9803

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephdockemeyer6782 Loved ones who would have sold them in marriage to men they did not know. At least in the harem they were in a golden cage. If they had stayed at home, it would have been a rusty cage.

@XxXShevampXxX

2 жыл бұрын

These are historians relating facts. It's not their job to insert emotion or moral empathy. 🙄

it disgusted me when that man used the phrase "made love" to describe anything done or imagined in these harems

@juliebella1221

2 жыл бұрын

I just heard a daughter tell of her and her sister's repeated rapes by her own Father that started when she was 4 and one day she got the nerve to call him out on it. She said, "you raped me Dad." He looked at her hurt and stunned and said, "I did not rape you, I loved you with everything I had." What we call rape, they call "love." That's today - nothing is getting better or has changed - little girls homes are now the harems and habitats. There are scores of housing complexes where Fathers drug their own daughters and pass them around among themselves and it's easy to hide as it's dozens of homes and all who move in have this agenda. They just broke one up in GA not too long ago. In my family, they bred daughters for the Fathers, Uncles, Cousins, Brothers, Grand Fathers and whoever else to be assaulted for years in their own beds. My Mother's Brother brutally raped her and he was a professional boxer. Beat her to a pulp. No one cares still to this day what they do to women. Why - no one has ever had an answer that made sense unless we truly are a West World and a Plane T of the Apes - ape means to copy/clone and we are beyond disposable to these creatures. To make more they simply add an r to the word ape and force breed women. No one is this stupid that they can't stop evil, especially with all the weapons we have. And why do they call it a harem like REM sleep? Is it a ha haREM for men? The whole world is designed as a harem for men. Harem/harm/hare - white rabbit - alice in wonderland - sleeping beauty - gene/genie in a bottle - I dream of genie - Cherry 2000 - stepford wives...the list is endless and why all the Mom's always killed in movies and the daughter in a Coma or stolen or a captive???? Fat Her replace Mom? Fat Her/Father - when the fat lady/laddy sings? Non lo so. Take care and I feel your disgust and wanted to say, I'm with you, but please realize, they're planning on doing it again out in public - the United Nations new poster is UNWOMEN - that was used in the book The Handmaid's Tale - coincidence I think not.

Rape is NOT making love. These women were kidnapped and forced to perform. The so called "comforts" that this man referred to was NO comfort at all and didn't make up for the violation of these women's bodies. To even make those statements points to his own perversion and disrespect for women.

@krisaguilar6699

3 жыл бұрын

Nobody wants to talk about the centuries of whites being enslaved. Kaffa on the Black Sea coast, and Atil on the Caspian coast (at the Volga Delta) were hosting the largest slaves markets in history. Most of the slaves sold there were white.

@krisaguilar6699

3 жыл бұрын

@Messenger Their agenda is as clear as day, but most are too stupid to see this agenda.

@PowPowSunshine100

3 жыл бұрын

@@krisaguilar6699 Honest question...who are "they?"

@sandrapadua2632

3 жыл бұрын

specially hurrem they killed her entire family in order to get her.. thats cruel...

@spicencens7725

2 жыл бұрын

@@PowPowSunshine100 The elites of the country. The ones wanting to turn America into a Marx/socialist country. It's what critical race theory is all about. Marxism worked partially on a caste system. They are trying g to continue that division, be it race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.

A friend of mine knew a woman who was in the harem of the last Sultan of Turkey. She left there in the 1920s or 30s if I remember, each woman was given her own house when the harem was dissolved. She was kidnapped as a teenager when she was walking to the market to sell goods for her family. She regretted that she never got to see her parents again.

a cage, no matter how pretty, is still a cage

@tessdurberville711

3 жыл бұрын

Missy Rabbit It depends on who your "owner" is.

@lizaldam2157

3 жыл бұрын

You are right, missy rabbit. And a slave,no matter how well treated ,is still a slave.

@Stephanie-yk4cd

3 жыл бұрын

@legionary anti-illuminati um what? Did I miss something? How is it prostitution exactly?

@mahoganyskye3854

3 жыл бұрын

Stephanie he’s obviously uneducated and mad that he doesn’t have his own harem. Feminism is by definition the belief that males and females are of equal volition. He’s just having a little tantrum. Perhaps he needs to eat or take a nap. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@eduardosarmiento9533

3 жыл бұрын

Tess d'Urberville Th aid r ama

If harems were so nice, why forbid the telling of life inside.

@melfeek4304

3 жыл бұрын

Because most of historians were man and men weren't allowed inside harems

@ProfRavenSteel

3 жыл бұрын

@@melfeek4304 that's definitely not the reason.

@deborahdean8867

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProfRavenSteel that definitely IS the reason.

@femboy__bunny

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProfRavenSteel bruh read “Harem: World Beyond the Veil” because that most DEFINITELY was the reason

@Jennawxyz221

2 жыл бұрын

Depends on how you define nice. Ive read a little bit about the religiosity of the Ottomans and their grand clerics supported the idea that women were more pure in faith by their seclusion. How many women truly embraced that is another issue. The women were given an education, food, shelter, fine clothing ad skills. But its still a life in a cage and a life of rape.

Is that not just sex trafficking?

@whoahorseywhoa4685

3 жыл бұрын

Great point Joe!!

@whoahorseywhoa4685

3 жыл бұрын

@Jeremy Kirkpatrick old excuse ... WRONG AND RIGHT ARE TIMELESS... WRONG THEN AND WRONG NOW ... pretty simple.Nothing shallow or vacuous about it..

@clray123

3 жыл бұрын

@@whoahorseywhoa4685 Pretty much so. Concepts of freedom and equality are innate to humans. The golden rule has existed long before Sultans.

@kimj1278

3 жыл бұрын

Also the killing of their own flesh and blood to give the throne to the chosen heir 😅 killing siblings etc... yikes

@joesigl3022

3 жыл бұрын

Kim J And like tax breaks for the rich, that loophole was taken advantage of.

my heart aches to just imagining what women have gone thought, within history.

@letmesleep6056

3 жыл бұрын

Thsi is copied, word for word

@elioraimmanuel

2 жыл бұрын

This, sex slavery, is STILL happening right here in the USA…with women and children!

They NEVER romanticized slavery in the documentary nor stated their personal feelings regarding the matter PERIOD. They simply discussed what life could have possibly been like in a Sultan's harem (good and bad) based on historical accounts and knowledge of the Ottoman Empire. They even acknowledged this was a dangerous time for women and they had to be ruthless to survive. This is history people if you can't handle sensitive topics like slavery, incest, rape, murder, etc...DON'T WATCH history is full of bad things happening to innocent people.

@1rage17

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!! It’s called history!

@6STFU9

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely! Take notes from the past for the present to make the future better. That's it. Idk why everyone is whining here. Learn and move on.

@EtreTocsin

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, which is why we WANT to learn from our past so that we DON’T repeat the mistakes from it. Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

@afcaton1

2 жыл бұрын

And we really think that things like this are not going on now! SMH

@gevara454

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome analogy Rebecca

‘I would have been strangled very young or as a small child’. Pause- (flicker of excitement in his eyes) ‘But after being strangled I would have been buried with great ceremony’. (Chuckles) Pause- (realising he would still be dead) ‘Which is not much of a consultation’.

@onlyelise

2 жыл бұрын

I knew someone would call that moment out. I chuckled.

@hansadhwanisabaprateeksha

2 жыл бұрын

He said 'consolation '

@Dani_ElleAnzace

2 жыл бұрын

@@hansadhwanisabaprateeksha spelt it wrong consolation * Thanks 👍🏼

stop romanticizing slavery !! many of these women were kidnapped and sold into these harem nightmares...

@Mike-oi2th

4 жыл бұрын

i need new stock for my harem

@simloverfever

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh some slave owners were actually treating their slaves well. Like rich people would pick some homeless people and just treat them as part of their family. Modern day slavery *depending on the culture, not in general!* is just people keeping the house well and they receive a shelter and food. Again, not all slavery applied.

@comfynebula5269

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mike-oi2th i wish my husband had a harem

@mariusbaltazarrozenberg-ho9367

4 жыл бұрын

@@comfynebula5269 Why? So you could have some more free time?

@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082

4 жыл бұрын

Harem is human rights.

I know this doesn't have much to do with the documentary, but this is actually really interesting to watch as a Hungarian. We've learned about this and we know this man as an evil, greedy tyrant, a monster that tried to get all of Europe to himself, someone we needed to stop. And many of our men (and women*) fought against him in an attempt to stop him. It's really interesting to see this more humane side to him, falling in love, writing love letters and poems to his wife - whom he broke tradition for. The man I know from the books and the man shown here are complete opposites. Also low-key cringy how they say Budapest, but hey, it is what it is! *Just as an interesting fact: During the sieges of our castles, women would also help defend the castle - they did this by pouring boiling hot water or tar (the latter was sometimes set aflame too) on the ottoman soldiers climbing up the walls of the castle.

@deslt3570

2 жыл бұрын

Wow thank you. Its my first time hearing about the people here in the documentary. Its funny how he tried to monopolize Europe huh. Lmao

@ayeshazafreen8286

2 жыл бұрын

Sultan Suleiman was the best and fair ruler the world has ever seen

@TheGladeGirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayeshazafreen8286 yes he was known as ‘Suleiman The Magnificent’

@antichrist5484

2 жыл бұрын

Are all hyperaggressive 'rulers' Magnificent? Or else?

@reddragonemperor1623

2 жыл бұрын

You are taught wrong

Humanity has come a long way. May we never experience this era again

@Anonymous.user.157

4 жыл бұрын

Kawal Sasan we still are. Sex slavery is still alive and just as rampant as its ever been.

@tessdurberville711

3 жыл бұрын

Kawai Sasan This world is worse than it has ever been.

@lacedemonians

3 жыл бұрын

​@ActaNonVerba - Today, the Western world rides on the built up culture, traditions, hard work, deferred gratification, virtues, success, and wisdom of our ancestors. But there are NO guarantees that it will last. The West is apparently falling into entrenched totalitarianism above and mass chaos below. Our ancestors scream at us from the dust. We ignore them at our peril.

@marinadee2771

3 жыл бұрын

Sex slavery is still very much real, committed by all nations, the rich and the poor.

@kawaljitkaur5249

3 жыл бұрын

I admit that sex slavery is still rampant. But today its considered a crime and a bad thing but in harem it was considered dignified and girls used to compete to become favorite mistress. Thts weird.

I actually finished this lmao. Of course beside the horrific incidents, its amazing how Hurem established herself. She was not disposed of. She made the Sultan fall madly in love with her. She became the FIRST EMPRESS. She remained the favorite until the end. Surprisingly she wasnt killed off by an angry husband like most royals 😂 frickin defied a lot of norms during their time, like daaamn girl. Consider me astounded.

@user-fc3pg8vg9c

Жыл бұрын

She was a witch. Well known fact.

@deslt3570

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fc3pg8vg9c wow did not know that. that’s fascinatinggg I might read more on that

I imagine that once in the harem, the girls felt the only way "out" was to rise to the position of favourite. It must have been a cutthroat existence. 😒

@deborahdean8867

2 жыл бұрын

Not much more than a corporation of women.

@antichrist5484

2 жыл бұрын

Co-ops are corporations. All markets share something in common with all sexual relations. They are both social constructs.

Of course it’s not allowed to be talked about. Just another man made law to protect their behavior.

@meowmeow9831

4 жыл бұрын

It is easier to say that it was just a 'man made law', but they were born in that culture. It doesn't matter even if you were the Sultan, defying the culture and the system is almost impossible. Sultans had the absolute power but on the other hand the system they were born into forced them to feel uneasy for their entire lives. Imagine looking at the eyes of your closest friends, advisors, government officals, family members... etc. and be in doubt aboutwhich one is betraying you, which one is paving the way to your execution, which one is going to kill you. Power comes along with loneliness and doubts, and loneliness and doubts make you to chase power even more in order to ensure your survival.

@zeynepkazan3317

3 жыл бұрын

It is not allowed to talk about because the Ottoman empire people privet with their family life and they don't like to talk about it.

@StopFear

3 жыл бұрын

@@meowmeow9831 Thats true, but this risk to life from being a ruler was the case with every single king and ruler in history. I mean just check somewhere online for a list of assassinated royalty throughout history.

@StopFear

3 жыл бұрын

You may think you are writing some sort of wise comment, but really you're just being arrogant, Emily. You are implying rather directly that your religion provides the perfect laws, AND that you understand exactly how these laws are to be interpreted. You are also commenting about something that is not a discussion about religion and theology, but rather a description of historical events.

@StopFear

3 жыл бұрын

@Siobhan Let me guess, the laws as you interpret them from the Bible?

Not commenting re the subject matter, only to note how exceptionally well-photographed this episode is, consistently, even the close ups of interviewees. Some of the images are much like classic oil paintings done by the masters. Kudo's to the cinematographic team (and director). Since the credits are shrunk down and rushed, here, for the record, are a few names of those responsible for the visual work on this episode: PHOTOGRAPHY: PAUL LANG and JOHN CHRISTIE (LANG appears to be the main cinematographer) ASSISTANT CAMERA: BEN RICHARDS LIGHTING: ULUTAS DILEKSIZ ART DIRECTOR: JO MANSER (and, no, I have no connection to them, just appreciate good work)

Not uncommon to kill the baby boys of the other women to make sure YOUR child is the one to continue. Think of even having to kill off your own sons to be sure the favorite won. 😣😔

@cleone423

3 жыл бұрын

Google wu zetian

@romanovnagenesis1944

3 жыл бұрын

It was customary that only one living heir can ascend the throne, so all of the other princes had to be disposed.

@distilledorangejuice3330

3 жыл бұрын

They also killed their daughters because they wanted sons 🤢

@romanovnagenesis1944

3 жыл бұрын

@@distilledorangejuice3330 no they didn't. Girls were relatively safe because they were seen as a way to make allies through marriage. The royal princesses had no power nor claim to the throne so they were not considered as a threat. The sons however were a dangerous case. The sultan having too many sons can mean a massacre. Only one can be the heir, and the rest will have to be eliminated to remove any possible usurper of the throne.

@TheSmokey1523

3 жыл бұрын

They had to keep a spare heir imprisoned and kept from all but servants just in case.

Women were considered property for a long time even when married and presumably free. How women survived in those ages is beyond me!!

@Cortesevasive

3 жыл бұрын

Women rely on their diplomatic skills, all she needs to do is to find sympathy in the group or in a male. While for a man you actually need to do everything alone.

@nenisguevaragomez8122

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cortesevasive point taken

@StopFear

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean it is beyond you how they survived?

@brendareed8412

3 жыл бұрын

Many died.

@StopFear

3 жыл бұрын

C- I am a man, and I think what you wrote is absolutely incorrect as a whole in the world. Men need, or have, to do everything alone? What on earth? Men have diplomatic skills and groups of friends. When people aren’t friends even, like when there is a task at work, or an urgent need, men help each other all the time. It was this way since prehistoric times. Men hunt together and do trading together. As for women and their diplomatic skills. Sure, it is true they have better conversational skill and perception. But regarding sympathy in the group, it very much depends on the culture and in situation. When there is some sort sex happening between people who are attached or for whatever other reason viewed as wrong, women were usually blamed more and men much less. The same social group will view the woman as someone who seduced the man, and less focus on the man as the seducer. The men were more likely to be blamed when they were seeking and doing the dirty with prostitutes The above wasn’t and isn’t the case either everywhere or any time.

I feel bad for these women in the harem, but also I feel horrible for the men who were castrated and worked as slaves themselves. So horrible.

I'm obviously not condoning sex slavery from hundreds of years back...but in a way, it's sad that a Sultan was chastised for being in love. How sad that they could never have true love in a partner and just had random concubines all the time. It's romantic in a way these 2 were able to be in love, be married, and live a life together.

Being educated couldn’t have made things easier for those women who were locked up only to please a man without having any rights for themselves.

@katherinecross8059

4 жыл бұрын

still very much so in strict muslim communities all around the world.

@mahimakarmokar3119

4 жыл бұрын

This was sorta the position of women in several places at that time too.

@sugarplumprincess6833

4 жыл бұрын

Education would at the very least mean they have some ways to amuse themselves.

@antoniolima1068

3 жыл бұрын

you can stop drooling! no man wants a feminist.

@user-se2nq6vo6j

3 жыл бұрын

@@antoniolima1068 Who cares what a man wants?

Nice editing; the woman talks about crushing testicles then immediate cut to mortar and pestle crushing substances to pulp.....

@stompthedragon4010

4 жыл бұрын

I noted that

@thatwierdkid.

3 жыл бұрын

when?

@margaretdonahue9284

2 жыл бұрын

That was so cringie 😱

@antichrist5484

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and it was African/Egyptian Coptic Christians doing it to their own. This is why the only decently moral cultures limit the children they have to the fields they have under cultivation.

@bruggeman672

2 жыл бұрын

@@antichrist5484 um we can effectively feed up to ten billion people with the tech and processes we have now. It just doesn't happen because capitalism isn't about helping people it's about maximizing profit. In other words no pay no eat...

It seems that throughout history, nothing changed in a way that women are safe. So sad.

@lacedemonians

3 жыл бұрын

Women traditionally get greater respect and social voice in the West. Thus, the West has many female historical, literary, social activist figures, a balance of masculine & feminine social values, and plentiful young marriageable women. Whereas hyper-masculine Islam, China, and India have chronic shortages of young women.

@isabellapalacio4631

3 жыл бұрын

Anakin Skywalker yes agree women in the west are so ridiculously privallaged as is everyone in the west not living in poverty or being oppressed by criminals(cus yk sex trafficking is still very much a real thing it’s just illegal - but not everyone follows the laws)

@taniskaborah4564

2 жыл бұрын

Things have changed now men are getting oppress by feminist Karen 🤡

@boutiquebitcoin809

Жыл бұрын

Like women in turkey

No matter what your beliefs about the morality/immorality of this slice of history, it must be said that this video is exquisitely, beautifully made. Bravo to all involved!

That is a badass woman! She took a disgusting "tradition" of slavery and rape and made something for herself, that takes some balls! And it seems that she actually found love. I feel really bad for the rest of the women in the harem. What a terrible thing to do to people.

Her pronunciation of Harem is agonizing.

@johnkooy5327

2 жыл бұрын

well then!...you try to pronounce hottentottententententoonstelling! Every language has words that cultures with dissimilar languages find hard to pronounce... At least she is trying and showing an interest in this ( shall we say ) culture.

This makes me sick to my stomach. Crawling from the foot of his bed? This truly does romanticize this horrible practice. My God this truly was a dog eat dog life for everyone. Killing all your rivals? Keeping slaves? Castrating young boys? You can play all the wonderful music you want with all the soothing voices and it still doesn’t mitigate the horror one bit.

I fell asleep watching this and had visceral nightmares

The guy talking about “material comforts” with a twinkle in his eye about this makes me pretty sick actually. These guys are really creepy.

@tessdurberville711

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of people would choose this life over living without "material comforts".

@tessdurberville711

3 жыл бұрын

@Maia A. Some were kidnapped, but some of their parents sold them into it. It was certainly better than living in poverty.

@tessdurberville711

3 жыл бұрын

@Maia A. I was referring to the Christian concubines, not the common slaves.

@islabee94

3 жыл бұрын

I mean of course men who don't see women as real people get off on the thought of our sexual exploitation. Creepy old perv.

@anniemcmillen940

3 жыл бұрын

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This happened in many countries during that period with rulers, even in the bible it is mentioned. I think this awful practice was inhumane, & barbaric to do that, what we now know as criminal injustice. Moreover, I'm definitely certain they knew it was wrong back then too.

@ariadneaghaoglou3153

2 жыл бұрын

Can all the white women heaving no idea and absolutely no KNOWLEDGE stop talking. Thanks! No EUROPEAN EVER ENTERED THE HAREM for a long time. ALL your painters and writers just reflect their own perversion into their 'art' about the harem.

@fark69

2 жыл бұрын

What most people fail to realize is that life for the average person out there was crushing, cruel, poverty-stricken, ignorant, and low. For many many of these people, being in the harem was an upgrade in life. We say "oh they were slaves, they had to do what they were told, they were caged" but the concept of harem and it's rules were well known and socially acceptable. If you go to college, study some unmarketable degree, and leave with lots of unforgivable debt, do we call you a slave? You have to go to class, wear certain clothes, follow certain rules on campus, appease certain people (famous professors), follow a certain code etc. But that's all good because we are all used to it. At the time people were used to concubinage and slavery. These were often better lives than the average person's life actually...

@jrmckim

Жыл бұрын

@@fark69 except you go to college.. you aren't kidnapped at 13 and forced to go. Good God...

Rather disturbing they keep calling the harem manipulative for crying when she was hit and when new women were brought in, it but for sultan it was love? Why can’t it be interpreted as genuine feelings as her life was at stake and she had sons and perhaps she was in love?

This is so revolting. All those womens lives wasted. Not to mention the boys

@tasmin212

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Antha why is that in every single region women were always abused??😔😔😔

@josephdockemeyer6782

3 жыл бұрын

@@tasmin212 Women are abused despite religion. It's sad.

WOW!!! Now I need to know more... Thank you 🙏🏼 🥰

I have watched magnificent century, hurrem did all sort of bad things later after her kids were born just to save them and manipulated or influenced suleiman in order to achieve power. But now after watching this vid I think, maybe she also took revenge for her parents and siblings death and slavery she experienced. Who knows 🤷‍♀️. Apart from any stories or assumptions the truth is.. Hurrem was really intelligent and played her cards really well. One of the most powerful sultanate of ottoman empire.

@drute20

3 жыл бұрын

That wrong

@ersg8228

3 жыл бұрын

Thats her initial plan to get a revenge but eventually She fall inlove to Sultan Suleiman. You need to be smart enough to stay alive in Harem.

@moonlightcool2238

3 жыл бұрын

Innocent Mustafa was killed cuz he was not son of hurrem ...so sad !! And she made it sure he could not reach to the throne and could not be a king..And stupid king was blindly did everything what hurrem wanted him to do and see..i beleive he was under her black magic influence..that's how she achieved everything what ever she wanted.

@josephdockemeyer6782

3 жыл бұрын

@@moonlightcool2238 Her family was murdered, she was kidnapped and raped.

@vincentdenorvvv

Жыл бұрын

@@moonlightcool2238 i am talking based on the history. Whoever the son got the throne after his father's death, it was law he should kill other princes(his brothers) and their sons. Hurrem didn't have a choice bcs she wanted her son to ascend to throne. Every mother would do that. Also, Mustafa wasn't that innocent in history, some sources show that he betrayed Suleiman back at the time.

Between 13th and 20th century, 4 woman ruled directly the Empire and broke their chains, Ukrainian Alexandra(Hurrem), Italian Cecilia and Sophia(Nurbanu and Safiye) and Greek Anastasia(Kosem). So no matter what conditions you have, you can create your own opportunities.

@vincentdenorvvv

Жыл бұрын

Safiye was Albanian. Her origin is disputed but the majority of sources shows that Safiye was Albanian, From Dukagjini lands.

I find it interesting that the idea of a man being truly in love with a woman is so surprising to people. It reminds me of the bible story of Queen Esther

@boutiquebitcoin809

Жыл бұрын

Or Solomon who had a harem of sex slaves but fell in love with a queen of Egypt who was black and was disapproved to make her queen.

If you think the Harem was forbidden to talk about, wait until you hear the forbidden stories of Gay Sultans and their secret male lovers, which everyone in the Ottoman Empire knew anyway...but turned a blind eye

@larisasosis2574

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct. Including Suleiman.

@larisasosis2574

4 жыл бұрын

Malik Ahmad it was Lincoln, who was not a founder.

@holahulaaloha7340

4 жыл бұрын

Larisa Sosis well he wasnt gay

@larisasosis2574

4 жыл бұрын

Holahula Aloha do research.

@stompthedragon4010

4 жыл бұрын

@@larisasosis2574 Lincoln was gay?

Comfy sexual prison if you 'behaved well'. Hellish prison if you behaved badly. And if you did not please the sultan case closed for you.

@sp8813

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the life of EVERY WOMAN basically across the world during this time wouldn't you say?

@lacedemonians

3 жыл бұрын

@@sp8813 - In the West, women were treated relatively well, and still are, but of course, they don't appreciate it.

@distilledorangejuice3330

3 жыл бұрын

@@lacedemonians Hon they are still treated badly, its just hidden. Also the West isnt the whole world

@lacedemonians

3 жыл бұрын

@@distilledorangejuice3330 - Both males and females have challenges in this difficult modern world. In some ways, one sex has it better. In other ways, the other sex has it better.

@lacedemonians

3 жыл бұрын

​@Adil Alfa - According to legend (not history), some minor nobility (i.e. knights) put chastity belts on their wives when going off to war. But it seems very likely that they were really a sexual fetish.

These all sounded awfully similar to Chinese harem. Actually almost identical aside from the religion involved.

@TheSmokey1523

3 жыл бұрын

There is one big difference between these two harem systems. The Turkish one was where they had to get non Turkish natives and had to buy slaves from Slavic countries or the Caucasus. The Chinese one was were where the daughters of high ranked Chinese officials competed against each to get into the harem in the first place in order to raise the status of their own family. It was similar in that the competition was fierce and it could be perilous. And they were guarded by eunuchs.

@soheil527

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSmokey1523 so? that makes you treatment justifiiable

@TheSmokey1523

3 жыл бұрын

@@soheil527 did I mention that it was justifiable? I was merely providing some facts.

@kayland.5724

3 жыл бұрын

@@soheil527 what? I'd rather be competing with other daughters to rank high in the imperial harem than be treated like a breeding dog

@bangtansugay5021

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

Well explained about the hidden life and dark period of the Herem.

They were not treated as humans, but as commodities for the Sultans pleasure.

I find it funny how Suleman loved his wife and listened to her, killed the best potential heirs the strongest and wisest mustapha and biazid and chose an heir who is considered the weeckest of his brothers salim who almost ruined all his father's progress and his rule marks the start of the downfall of the ottoman empire . While on the other side of the world king Edward the VIII was cruel to his wives left an heir who would have been his last choice and who was the strongest monarch England has ever known.

@naglfar6305

Жыл бұрын

If there's anything to take from this lesson, its to never listen to women.

Fantastic content. People have so many misconceptions about this topic, it's nice to see some facts

How can anyone watch this documentary and think it is 'romanticising' the harem? Because it mentions they received an education? Gods above, does every historical documentary covering unsavoury topics have to have 'By the way, this was very very bad!' disclaimers every 5 mins for it to be acceptable? That attitude makes discussing any subject of this type in a nuanced way difficult, which, ironically enough, was the problem with Orientalist narratives in the first place (Also, if people think this is bad, I strongly recommend against watching 'Magnificent Century', a Turkish historical TV drama, it might cause aneurysms)

@eri6984

3 жыл бұрын

@L. C. only female university in Ottoman Empire*

@Isabel-ge1ou

3 жыл бұрын

Merry Machiavelli thank you.....and they are constantly talking about the danger, they were in....

@mahwashwaqar7203

3 жыл бұрын

You must be totally dense - they called it a "university", what, may I ask, courses were they being offered apart from court etiquettes and Islamic teachings? Embroidery, really? That's what we call a university now? Every other women in every other Turkish household then probably knew these skills minus the court etiquettes. These were the only skills women were deemed suited for any way. I have seen the full 139 episodes of Magnificent Century only to confirm how depraved this whole system was from slavery to fratricide to sex politics to murder to exploitation etc. These sultans were pure evil after the first few generations.

@merrymachiavelli2041

3 жыл бұрын

@@mahwashwaqar7203 From what I can can find online, they received education in other subjects as well - reading, mathematics, history...etc. This isn’t at all uncommon. In Europe at the same time, noble ladies often spoke half a dozen languages and received a full classical education. This wasn’t because the nobility particularly respected women, just that it was a way to fill time and women often served as conversation partners (and informal advisors) to their husbands, so being educated was desirable. I can’t speak specifically for the Ottoman Empire, but educating women close to power was generally the norm in pre-modern societies. - On the magnificent century, it doesn’t show the harem as a pleasant place to be, but it does still heavily romanticise the relationship between the sultan and main character concubine. The Sultans are protagonists and portrayed as desirable and in love with the main characters. It also showcases the opulence and power of the Ottoman dynasty. I’m not saying I disapprove, it makes for great tv, but trying to argue this documentary romanticises the harem and Magnificent Century doesn’t is a tough sell for me.

@VSP4591

3 жыл бұрын

@@merrymachiavelli2041 The simple fact that sultans did not have wife outside the Harem (I mean Turkish origin) proves that in many cases it was a love relations with some of the slaves. Once a slave became a favorite of the sultan she may end as his wife. With this occasion she converted to Muslim believe and took charge of running the harem. This was the system of that time. It is not so clever to compare it with the live of today.

As always, most of the commentators blame Hurrem for Ibrahim and Mustafa's death. Leslie Pierce makes a better point, when she suggests that Sulieman would not have listened to any rumors had he not already been suspicious of his son and friend. Since Sulieman will later have Bazeyid killed as well, it is clear that he just was going to kill anyone who threatened his power. He was quite capable of killing his sons. Sulieman would have killed all these men even if Hurrem had stayed neutral in all these matters. There is no question about it. I hate the way people get Sulieman off the hook by making him look like the dupe of his wife.

@fountainofhoney

3 жыл бұрын

It IS very likely that Hurrem along with her daughter's husband were the ones who made the trap. Suleiman loved his kids dearly but he loved the government more than anything else and that was A sultan/king thing. Not only would the sultan kill for power but also if he felt that one of his kids was a danger to the "Dawla" aka the empire. He wasn't afraid of handing the power to his next son, in fact he was ecstatic for the day when one of his sons turning into a powerful rightful king to come which's why he loved his son Muhammed who was his favourite. However what Suleiman was infamous for not handling right was betrayal.

Ive been watching lots of magnificent century episodes and this has now showed up in my recommendations ahah😂

@MardhiahJames

3 жыл бұрын

Me too 😂

@thehappyworld1718

3 жыл бұрын

Same here😂

@VirgoLunaKnight

3 жыл бұрын

Same😂😂

@ersg8228

3 жыл бұрын

139 episodes and 60 episode of Kosem must wach

@nilufarkomol8932

3 жыл бұрын

Me too🤣🤣

Very educational and interesting. Well researched. Thank you.

I enjoyed this one ,very informative as well.

I have seldom sat so entranced by a documentary as I did this one. Fascinating, thank you.

Special relationship with God, my arse! How many times is this claim used as a justification for abominable behaviour?

@kristingallo2158

4 жыл бұрын

Annette Elliott-Dunn as long as people keep believing it.

@bettyflipkowski235

4 жыл бұрын

Annette Elliott-Dunn ß#źxßssssssßx

@sugarplumprincess6833

4 жыл бұрын

Too many times for me.....

@junew8133

4 жыл бұрын

That happened in ancient Egypt, and it just led to some intense incest. Eek.

@anastasia10017

3 жыл бұрын

Ha. I talked with an Iranian woman outside the United Nations in NYC. She said she was gang raped in Iran, and the whole time, her attackers were chanting muslim religious prayers as they raped her.

'When you play a game of throne, you're either win or die. There's no middle ground.' Cerci Lannister and Hulem would have been BFF here.

I played this video but slept and missed it all. I played it again, what a great true life story !!!!!!

"The enslave of freeborn muslem are forbidden by Quran" --> find a loophole and enslave mostly christian women "It was forbidden by islamic law to castrated a muslim" --> find a loophole and castrated a-non muslem. Dude.. thats still aint right

@ceyes00

3 жыл бұрын

Not defending what Muslims done but Christians also had slaves called serfs even though Christianity opposed slavery. Also Christian colonisers had slavery. Basically what I’m saying is people will find loopholes when they need one

@Mikan452

3 жыл бұрын

@@ceyes00 yes you're right, The purpose of my comment was not to discredit muslem. Its kinda dumb of me to do that considering I am a muslem myself

@hk1284x

3 жыл бұрын

I'll be honest. Every 'Muslim' that did all those awful things weren't really Muslim. Islam doesn't allow these kinds of things even to those who aren't Muslim. I guess people blame the religion rather than the man or sultan himself. What they did isn't in any way allowed in Islam. People r mixing religion with traditions. Just saying 🤷‍♀️

@muslimproudtobe

3 жыл бұрын

@@ceyes00 Chrsitanity allowed slavery jesus even said obey your master don't lie

@mahwashwaqar7203

3 жыл бұрын

Islam does allow slavery, that's why it flourished for centuries and was only abolished in the modern world under international pressure and regulations, multiple Quranic verses endorse it, so I dunno what is this "this is not Islam" bs.

Its surprising that up to this day ,the narrative of these acts of slavery is talked about with some forbearance ,with fear of talking too badly on the sultans and the Islamic customs .

@dinaachachi4297

3 жыл бұрын

Dont mix cultural and religious customs. Harems were cultural and it’s not because the perpetrators hided behind religion that its true. The crusades hided behind christianity and we all know that those atrocity are everything but based on christian values. By saying “islamic customs” youre spreading false informations. :)

@devogrant2817

3 жыл бұрын

@@dinaachachi4297 we all have to take personal reponsibility if we all minded our own business and not go into someone elses land and force to take on our beliefs wewould not be talking about this . Every empire as justified rape, pillage,and murder , by calling it customs,culture , beliefe sytems that was justified at the time , and also in this time , gods donot make war only demi gods do ? and the all the spoils of a crusade . how can an supposedly omnipotent being justify one man having so much be be it women resources human chattle and another subjicated to servitude and slavery of another ? makes know sense Mans ego and fear , that as caused this dilema ,and heis making out that its his god given right , royalty are meant to serve the people regardless ,not the other way round ,less not hide behind customs ans culture ,religion and state ....yes i am a stupid man but my heart and my spirit knows right from wrong!!!!

Thank you for the interesting and informative video.

That was an awesome story thank you 🙏 More please.

Excellent! Thank you for sharing.

The Doktor says that the girls came early to the harem with 13 years, the translator does not mention that

@amariev226

3 жыл бұрын

Actually the translator does say they came into the harem at a very young age, but did not give an actual number.

@medeaendor3706

3 жыл бұрын

@@amariev226 I am Turkish she says 13

@ms.chuisin7727

3 жыл бұрын

I... think there might be younger concubine. Easier to train.

@danielgallegos8455

3 жыл бұрын

My g great grandad traded for my great grandma off of the apache reservation. He was 41 and she was 13 . They were married and lived together until they died of the Spanish flu. It was completely normal 100 years ago.. its sickening these days

@medeaendor3706

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielgallegos8455 my grandfather 18 married my grandma thee with 14, they ran away together

A very knowledgable information for us who's wonder what is harem and who is the hurrem sultan. Thanks for the video ❤🙏

Describing slavery as good as possible is still slavery.

The narrative is offensive. Calling it making love when these are trafficked girls. The modern narrative refuses to acknowledge this was a horrendous violation. The one narrator is particularly offensive: ‘’we don’t know the feelings of these women?’’ WTH/

@ekdaufin1485

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@shamefulthoughts2712

3 жыл бұрын

This literally happened 500 yrs before, and they're narrating the things that they know, where did they do wrong? Is this how you thank people gifting you knowledge??

@khadijazegmiri1828

3 жыл бұрын

It was like in 16 century what did you expect 😃

@fun-xd8oo

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4to1qWLpLnLepc.html

@fun-xd8oo

3 жыл бұрын

This is Islam, now Great replacement is happening. Turn to Christ before it's too late.

I stumbled onto a documentary serial on, I *think* Netflix. It was in Turkish with English subtitles that told this story from the priest's kidnapped daughter's point of view. I really liked it. I feel like it was called Sulaman or something like that. It went from her kidnapping through the raising of her sons.

@joannaj.2787

3 жыл бұрын

Magnificent Century (Muhtesem Yuzyil)

@dreams-on7dg

3 жыл бұрын

Its a good one but it makes the harem look glamorous specifically with the clothing

a very interesting story, really enjoyed it. there was so much publicity though!

Kamala khan, a Pakistani marvel superhero character is being promoted extensively as an icon for women empowerment while totally avoiding the misogyny in Islam. How compassionate of them.

For one man's lust thousand women were caged. Poor men were cut

@ekdaufin1485

3 жыл бұрын

Sexually/physically disfigured...

@soheil527

3 жыл бұрын

your god RAM had a antakharana(hindu harem)

@bishakhadas9436

3 жыл бұрын

@@soheil527 Ram ke sirf sita the 🙏🙏

@soheil527

3 жыл бұрын

@@bishakhadas9436 The Asvamedha yajna was a celebrated sacrifice in which many ancient Hindu queens & ksatriya women in various provinces had sex with a dead horse, and Rama's mom (Kausalya) & co-mom's were no exception. Rama's mom spends a whole night having sex with a dead horse for the purpose of 'righteousness & cleansing of sins':-- Ramayana 1:13:24-33..

@bishakhadas9436

3 жыл бұрын

@@soheil527 lol i think you are talking about Quran.

Just watch "The Hidden World of the Harem"- timeline documentary I think? This ENTIRE thing is just ripped directly from it, like scene for scene. Must be owned by the same company.

Fascinating! Thank you for sharing this.

When I was younger I read a sort of romance based loosely on her life. Until now I didn’t realize how much of it was true. Except in this book the heroine escaped the harem after her husband’s death by feigning illness and returned home to her native Scotland.

@johnkooy5327

2 жыл бұрын

If you have been to Ukraine you should know it should read ' except in this book the heroine escaped the harem after her husband's death by feigning illness and returned home to her native Ukraine'

@cindyreeves5048

Жыл бұрын

The Scottish way. Doesn’t surprise me.

I can't imagine being alive in this period. Must be very horrible. Women being reared from childhood, with little to no chance of escape. The only people you trust are the ones welcoming such acts.

I'm really horrified at these details... Unbelievable

Whose here after watching clips from Magnificent Century?

@martinriggs2.095

3 жыл бұрын

Meee😂 well I started rewatching the show after 3 years and im here now ahaha😂

That's an unusual and brutal system of determining your successor.

Very interesting doc! Not at all what I thought according to the title - much more interesting, historical story telling. Great! @47:39 ... but ironically, instead of providing the world with a Suleiman II, *she blazed the trail for future generations of Harem women* ... ~Where's part 2? A follow up episode would be fab!

also the show "magnificent century" it's main character is Hurrem sultan, org. Alexandria. I never watched it but it had everything in this doc and more.

@captainfoxheart

4 жыл бұрын

I love that show

@kaydeeeeeee

4 жыл бұрын

N

@kaydeeeeeee

4 жыл бұрын

N

@kaydeeeeeee

4 жыл бұрын

Nnn

@kaydeeeeeee

4 жыл бұрын

Nnn

While adjusting his organ, the British mechanic noticed members of the harem who were known for their ball handling skills,

Best quote..."the sultan visited his harem..uhh-mmm...quite often...and there he did justice! "

700 women trapped in a building with everything taken care of? The drama must’ve been INSANE

@sallyrastogi9853

3 жыл бұрын

and all vying for one dude's affection.... reality TV move OVER!

@teejay5432

3 жыл бұрын

And hearing that only a few got to even sleep with the Sultan. So you're wasting your entire youth and childbearing years locked up in a concrete room, never to get married, never be a parent. You can't even touch yourself they banned cucumbers...

No matter what is given, taking a freedom is nothing but slavery.

This is nothing but immorality, and horror!

Rape is rape, even if other women are forced to play pretty music while it happens. The writers, "experts" and narrator should all be sick at heart and ashamed of themselves for participating in this deeply disturbing fetishization of violence and rape.

@baha3alshamari152

Жыл бұрын

It's not rape when it's done by the strongest wealthiest man in the state

I recommend watching Muhtesem YuzYil, its a turkish series for Sultan Suleiman. It’s really interesting as it shows in insights the intrigues and competition inside of the Harem. The main character is Alexandra, known as Hurrem.

@mamatasubedi761

3 жыл бұрын

English version "magnificent century "❤

@sunintheeast3881

3 жыл бұрын

Watching 😁

@Shea4384

2 жыл бұрын

But a lot of instances and situations have been added to fit the context and not necessarily what originally happened in history.

@sparklyyy2645

2 жыл бұрын

I've watched it..so good but ending was sad

@muircastle1

2 жыл бұрын

mm will watch

I cannot watch anymore...so cruel! What do think they are those Sultans?

I always hated how sexual abuse and slavery is called "service" as if the woman is a mechanic for a car or a server at a restaurant for the man. Just to make men feel less guilty for subduing another human being and taking away their rights and freewill for his own personal pleasure. She's not even human in their eyes

Simply Amazing!

Life as a sex slave..... education or not, a horrible existence. Oh how I appreciate living in modern times and being born in Europe. Sometimes I can’t believe how lucky I am 🍀 After watching few documentaries about medieval times, different cultures and places .... I love my simple but safe life.

@dapabur1

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy it while you can because your candy-ass leaders are importing tons of Muslims into Europe and soon Europe will resemble all of these Islamic, slime ball countries with all their demonic beliefs.

@tessdurberville711

3 жыл бұрын

Taurus82 I hope you did not forget to knock on wood and spit through your index and middle fingers! It is bad luck to brag.

@TheRealKingMichael

3 жыл бұрын

Well now that you know how privileged you are, will you western women stop bitching about how "oppressed" you are and let the actual victims of oppression take the attention they deserve?

@muslimproudtobe

3 жыл бұрын

@@dapabur1 What is wrong with you?

@reyco2.032

3 жыл бұрын

@@dapabur1 stfu

Wonderful, interesting documentary. WAY too many disruptive popup ads!

Intriguing and fascinating concept!

Thank you for your automatic sub-text! Most appreciated.

The show called Magnificent Century is about Suleiman and Hurrem Sultan and her rise to power. It's great, I reccomend 🧡

So if the whole harem thing was supposed to be in secret..Im assuming these so called experts are just "imagining" what it was like. I found this to be solely entertainment . In 2020, I would think the treatment of women is much less romantic. the notion that is was a sort of women university is questionable. I feel for anyone caught up in a situation of slavery.

@pearlsaremybestfriend

4 жыл бұрын

@Lara Shuwayl I watched the entire thing. I guess its that verbiage (western thinking) for university bothered me. If you watch what currently going on in the middle east with slavery , the captors indoctrinate the same way. It's very sad. BTW I am not picking on that country. Slavery is a worldwide issue.

@pearlsaremybestfriend

4 жыл бұрын

@Lara Shuwayl Thank you for the information. Like I stated before my intention was not to pick at anyones' culture so I hope you didn't take it that way. I was commenting on "slavery" or "human trafficking" in modern terms. A human being taken from their culture and placed in another with the intent of indoctrination and or servitude to another. This channel sparks debate and informs the viewers and I respect your contributions for towards others understanding .

@starquant

4 жыл бұрын

@@pearlsaremybestfriend People confuse Religion and culture by saying they are both separate. But when it comes to Religious indoctrination by way of misogynistic idealism that incorporates the ideology that women are nothing more than property, then it's becomes one and the same. I have no issue criticizing any Religion that uses misogyny as one of it's cornerstones.

@cledwynstafford4819

4 жыл бұрын

..it is mostly fictional.

Great vid piece!

I joyed this video thank you 😊

I have heard it said that Circassian women were preferred in the Harem because of their great beauty.

@boutiquebitcoin809

Жыл бұрын

Caucasian