Andrew Klavan, always well thought out, is growing as a major thinker. Age is nothing.

@EstivBurke

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, well said!

@BrianBellia

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed ... he's a great interviewer, too. Watch out, Ben. 😉

@robertjensen2328

2 жыл бұрын

Age is nothing, especially in light of the hope that is in us, namely, the hope of life eternal.

@kpeezy776

2 жыл бұрын

Just still a little dogmatic. True thinking takes takes great humility that must of us don’t have. Myself included

@JettyBootChamp

2 жыл бұрын

@@kpeezy776 what? Lol

My two brothers got their doctoral degrees in Chemistry & Biology, my grandfather was a paleontologist, college professor & the president of a major astronomy society... Every single one became more religious at the end of their education and careers. I'll always remember my grandfather's response about my childish question about the big bang: "God said boom and that was the start of it all."

@damianpos8832

2 жыл бұрын

Nice..

@jasongrundy1717

2 жыл бұрын

Their brains melted.

@TchHry

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasongrundy1717 Happy you feel that way fellow Lotus Eater. A person is only as sharp as the whetstone of a mind that challenges them. Melted or not, to this day I've still not been able to beat any of them in a singular debate. But I'm the idiot of the family, but I'll joyously hold the memory of my Grandfather dancing in the isle of our church as a protest to the musical director's selection of hippy music. Disagree with him you may, but the man had standards and guts.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TchHry Yes, I disagree with him, and he sounds like he may have hedged his bets as he approached the end. He certainly would have a lot of company if that was the case... I'm not hedging. I could be wrong, but I am not. I hope your faith is as solid.

@TchHry

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggusta1 Sorry you disagree, would love to have pleasant and engaging company in the presence of God. I'd like you to give up your position that you are a temporary blip on the face of a universe that is so amazingly large that your existence as a meat popsicle is meaningless no matter how much temporary derived pleasure you fill your short journey with. Come, join me in living in doubt and faith in something so massively greater than yourself; can somehow love you... that and 5,000 years and billions of lifetimes of human lived experiences codified into wisdom and rules that MIGHT... just might... make your life a little easier and happier.

*God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all*

Wishing everyone a blessed happy New Year God bless you all

@krys-anne4497

2 жыл бұрын

God Bless you, too, Steve! Happy New Year!

This clip should be played to every single university graduate throughout the Western world…absolutely excellent argument !

@ryanolson2308

Жыл бұрын

Excellent argument? How? He literally just says we can’t explain certain things therefore god exists. How is that possibly a good argument?

@mr.q8426

Жыл бұрын

Listen to the conversation again. He is explicitly saying: 1. Universe had beginning (big bang) 2. Universe is fine tuned for life ( cosmological constants like Plank number, atomic and gravitational forces) 3. Digital bursts of information (DNA in life) These are the three things which rationally can be explained the best with the God hypothesis. But don’t take my words for granted. Listen carefully to the conversation or ideally get the book.

@ryanolson2308

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.q8426 none of those things prove or even suggest a god exists. That’s the best you religious nuts got? Geeeez. The god of gaps. YAWN

@michaelanderson4325

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.q8426 God doesn't explain those things. Even the big bang theory makes no sense and the James Webb Telescope is starting to prove that the big bang never happened.

Great interview! I've actually found the more I learn about quantum physics, the stronger my faith has become. Just ordered the book ✌️✌️✌️

@livefree316

2 жыл бұрын

Hallelujah God and His vast love for Humanity will meet humans where they seek that they may be saved. Is the scripture says if you go to heaven God is therefore go to hell God is there man cannot Escape God they can only TRY TO ignore God which is what Romans 1 is all about. 4You know what I am going to say even before I say it, LORD. 5You go before me and follow me. You place your hand of blessing on my head. 6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me, too great for me to understand! 7I can never escape from your Spirit! I can never get away from your presence! 8If I go up to heaven, you are there; if I go down to the grave,a you are there. 9If I ride the wings of the morning, if I dwell by the farthest oceans, 10even there your hand will guide me, and your strength will support me. 11I could ask the darkness to hide me and the light around me to become night- 12but even in darkness I cannot hide from you. To you the night shines as bright as day. Darkness and light are the same to you. 13You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb. 14Thank you for making me so wonderfully complex! Your workmanship is marvelous-how well I know it. Psalms 139

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen aronra's video "Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misreading the evidence" and tony reed's video "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 44 Lucy" on youtube?

@leej.a.7810

2 жыл бұрын

@@geoffschnoogs6888 Thank you for your brilliant insight. Where can I find a more comprehensive detailing of your thoughts and musings so perfectly blending the implications regarding science and theology?

As much time as one can spend arguing about the complexities of creation vs evolution, I believe an atheist's primary motivation for unbelief is not intellectual but emotional. If there is a creator, then there is a higher power to whom they are accountable. All of creation is proof that God exists, but as scripture says "the fool says in his heart there is no God" as well as "who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth".

@thedoommarine9174

2 жыл бұрын

Lol you sure are making a lot of assumptions there, guy. The funniest thing believers tend to do is conflate arguments that help support the idea of the existence of an overarching consciousness or God-figure, which is rather plausible, with the existence of a deeply flawed, humanoid sky-daddy who contradicts himself constantly in scripture and supposedly sent his son to die for the sins of humanity... an idea which is infinitely less plausible, if not outright ridiculous. People are free to believe whatever they want, but when you start to act like anyone who doesn’t believe what you believe is stupid, that’s when you people start to get annoying. If you actually cared about converting people, you wouldn’t broach these topics in the way you all do, but of course, you don’t care about converting people, not really anyway. You just care about feeling like you are right and everyone else is stupid and wrong.

@friguy4444

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedoommarine9174 17:30 on.

@reeb9016

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedoommarine9174 Where did he call you stupid? Interesting choice of word to characterize oneself. 😏

@_Breakdown

2 жыл бұрын

He NEVER called u or anybody else stupid

@CitrusIsUs

2 жыл бұрын

I bet you wouldn't go around in public and tell it to peoples faces that they're a fool. You're only speaking your mind behind a screen.

Andrew, thank you for helping me through my faith crisis. This and other videos have helped me immensely.

@idankpoaugustine1983

2 жыл бұрын

We thank God.

@sanjosemike3137

2 жыл бұрын

Think about THIS. ATP is the source of most of the energy our cells must have available to function. The KREB’s cycle is a constantly repeating biochemical reaction that produces the ATP we must have. You would think that this vital reaction would “harvest” some of the ATP it produces in order to POWER this reaction. ATP is NOT NECESSARY for the KREB’s cycle. It does NOT require the energy source necessary for its OWN creation. When I was a student this hit me like a physical blow. THIS CANNOT BE AN “ACCIDENT.” Sanjosemike (no longer in CA) Retired surgeon

@godwillbosama4289

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Chuck Missler.

@jamesginty6684

2 жыл бұрын

have you seen aronra's video "Bisbee tries to refute evolution by misreading the evidence" and tony reed's video "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 44 Lucy" on youtube?

@sanjosemike3137

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesginty6684 I agree with you about "Creationism." I am uncomfortable with "literal Biblical translations" implying actual science. You probably are too. My arguments for Deism are more statistical. I know that the haters of Creationism identify ALL Intelligent Design as Creationism. To me that's a cop out. The Bible is just too "easy" a target. I prefer hard targets, like the formation of proteins. I know that most of you believe Mitochondria were just "transplanted viruses" into cells, circa accidental, undirected evolution. The problem with that is "too many accidents" get hard to explain. I mean I want the ACTUAL process explained, in biochemical terms. Not it "just appeared by Evolution." That's no better than Creationism. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

Stephen C. Meyer and David Berlinski are my heroes when it comes to debunking atheism and Darwinism.

@dany1441

2 жыл бұрын

You can't debunk an absence of a thing. And that''s all atheism is.

@theohuioiesin6519

2 жыл бұрын

Berlinski is also one of my favourite comedians.

@madhatter734

2 жыл бұрын

About a year and a half ago Berlinski, Meyers and a third guy (I can't remember his name) were doing tons of interviews on their book debunking Darwin. Those are fantastic if you take the time to look them up

@sandbox242

2 жыл бұрын

My dad always liked William Lane Craig

@josephpostma1787

2 жыл бұрын

@@dany1441 I'll rephrase that, "Stephen C. Meyer and David Berlinski are my heroes when it comes to debunking" the idea of there not being a god.

One of the few honest scientists that knows the definition of the scientific method and it’s limitations without adding conjecture. Sadly that masses are brain washed with public schooling and willingly choose sin over eternity in heaven.

@nathansmith7686

2 жыл бұрын

He argues for Creationism and Intelligent Design, none of which has been proven, and our current laws of the universe doesn't suggest it. He is does not know the definition of the scientific method or it’s limitations.

@crocodilegrundee4514

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathansmith7686 Evolution has not been proven either, aside from variations of kinds of animals. Whether you are an evolutionist, or a creationist, they are both religions because neither has been proven. I believe that creationism is a much more plausible idea than thinking this entire universe came from nothing, like the big bangers do. Intelligent design is much more believable. I am sure you don’t agree however.

@nathansmith7686

2 жыл бұрын

@@crocodilegrundee4514 Evolution has been proven. We have evidence for evolution (fossil record, E. coli experiment etc.), while we have zero evidence for creationism. Also, if you believe a Supreme Being created the universe, then who/what created the Supreme Being? Why is it exempt from the rule?

@crocodilegrundee4514

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathansmith7686 Maybe someone did create the supreme being. There is a lot in this universe we don’t know! As for your examples of evolution, none of them explain (beyond a shadow of a doubt) how a monkey or other primate eventually became human. Not one of them. Evolution depends on so many assumptions, that it is impossible for a rational human to accept them as fact. Religion yes, but fact? There are definitely variations between kinds of animals. As in a birds beak becoming longer over time. But there is no concrete evidence that a bird has ever become a non bird. On top of that, I would like to hear how E- Coli shows evolution to be true. They are both religions. Creation and evolution. Neither one can be fully proven. There is evidence for both, and my personal opinion is there is more for creation. I accept that mine is a religion though. I have to believe in something that I can’t prove completely. Evolutionists absolutely will NOT accept that theirs is a religion as well. That is what I fight about with evolutionists. I have read many papers over the last 10 years, written by former evolutionist who switched sides. They couldn’t defend evolution anymore because of all of the assumptions they had to believe in. Both are religions, and I chose my side long ago. I respect your opinion on it, I just disagree with your conclusion.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

@@crocodilegrundee4514 Your confirmation bias is pretty deep. Or is it cognitive dissonance?Or is it both? on the one hand you discard evolution no matter how much has been proven about it, unless it is something that disagrees with it, on the other hand, you seem to have no doubts about the existence of a higher power of which not one scintilla of evidence exists. Do you see that when I see the argument you put forth, and the contrarian argument that you ignore that I just say let's agree to disagree?

I do want to live after this life is over!! But I also feel so overwhelming blessed most days that I know there has to be a God!! There is No Doubt in my mind, that He is the creator of all things ❤️

One of the greatest scientific philosophers of our time, thank you for hosting this national treasure, Dr. Stephen Meyer.

Really enjoyed this and I hope for more of these types of interviews. Can I recommed John. C. Lennox for a possible future interview.

Superb interview!

I’m taking a class next semester called Philosophy of Science to fulfill an elective requirement at my college. Part of what inspired me to do that is Stephen Meyer because I know he has degrees in that field. I hope it’s interesting.

@neptasur

2 жыл бұрын

Check out Edward Feser. In particular "Aristotle's Revenge".

Being a skeptic I enjoyed this wonderful conversation.

Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures and that he was buried and that he rose again the third day praying for everyone everyday God bless you all

@davidmarsh9386

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh, grammar? Thank you though

Speaking as a former atheist myself; atheism is yawn, atheism is cowardly, atheism is self esteem for the low iq.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking as a former Catholic... I think that your comment is pretty funny.

Steven Myer is a wonderful man. I met him when I was caregiving Phil Johnson. Wonderful people.

@cpjds1

Жыл бұрын

I would love to meet him some day. I live near Seattle even but it’s often hard to find his schedule.

Thanks for having Stephen Meyer on.

Wow! The best interview! Fascinating! Running to get the book now! Thank you Andrew!

@friday13michael

2 жыл бұрын

I would recommend to drive. Then again with today’s gas prices, I don’t blame you.

What a great interview! I wish it went longer!

Excellent interview Andrew!

my cousin told Me once when we were studying the Bible together that another translation for I am that I am in the Bible is the self-existing one the one who self exists

Dog is to man what man should be to God. An innate understanding, appreciation, and love for the hand that feeds them. I don't think it is an accident that Dog is God spelled backwards.

@thethreerocks6983

2 жыл бұрын

In english at least..

@thedoommarine9174

2 жыл бұрын

LMAO dude if you are trolling that is fucking God-tier! No pun intended.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedoommarine9174 I am like, are you trying to convert Christians to atheists, dude? Seriously, I dont think even Christians want to be god's dog. A unicorn is to christians what god is to atheists.

Excellent interview. Wonderful information.

Thank you for sharing. You never disappoint.

It's funny, it was logic and reason that brought me towards faith. The more I studied the more i realized the Yahweh had to exist. But then, I was led to to experience the forgiveness and indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Amazing. I've never looked back. My life has changed. Completely. I'm so grateful.

@carmella88

2 жыл бұрын

Can u point me in the direction that led u there

@s.v.2796

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmella88 yes, i desperately wanted to know the truth. I tried to study different religions, tarot, everything, drugs, was in so much pain. My father died. I had to get up in church and talk about this man who loved the Lord so much, that i barely knew. Now my family are scientists, chem engineers, professors, I ran bookstores. This means i studied all the time. I knew there had to be a Creator. Reason and logic, DNA, reading Darwin as a teen convinced me that his theory was just that- a theory- that didn't offset the Creator. My problem was the ugliness of my interior. How could a Creator possibly love me? So while taking care of my mom i drive an hour and a half every other day and i would listen to a program called Now you see tv and geek out. But one day i was stressing on my dad's eulogy and i began to talk to God. I begged Him to please show me the way. Instead, like a view box He showed me His perspective of my life. Like slides. All the sinful stuff, not the normal sinful stuff, but subtle stuff, until I broke down sobbing, driving on the freeway, crying hysterically because I knew He was so right. And I begged his forgiveness, my heart broke when I realized the difference between the love He wants for us and our selfish ways. We know John 3:16 "16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." But we don't read the rest, the most important part. The party where it's says: 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. " And THAT my, dear friend, is what I learned. And what changed my life. That Jesus died, rose again to forgive us. Amazing. Life changing.

@carmella88

2 жыл бұрын

@@s.v.2796 thank you for this. I'm ex catholic and I'm so lost. I started waking up in 2017 ... I lost my dad too in 2014 and since then have been lost. I feel like in havent asked hard enough from God because I still haven't gotten my answers

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmella88 I am sorry for your loss and your strife since his passing.

@takmaps

2 жыл бұрын

@@carmella88 since you haven't said what the questions are I'd recommend looking into St Thomas Aquinas's arguments for God, goodness, evil etc.

Excellent discussion thanks for sharing!

Even atheist,when all hope is gone cry out for God.

That was a mind blowing interview! Watching again, because it’s that good! 🙏🏻

Stephen Meyer saved me from Dawkins and Hitchens

@ryanolson2308

Жыл бұрын

He literally just says we can’t explain certain things so god exists. And that saved you?? Wtf?

@wet-read

Жыл бұрын

Uh huh. How about Oppy, Mackie, Smith, et al.?

THAT was a very interesting program. Thank you Andrew and Stephen Meyer.

I think the fine-tuning argument has force and is compelling but I still find Aristotle's argument of the First Mover to be the best because there is no room for chance or ambiguity in that any conceivable universe there must be a being of pure Actuality.

@jimbojackson4045

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be a fan of Capturing Christianity on KZread. He really likes the Contingency Argument as well.

I used to be a hard core Darwinism, as young I made so much fun of the Christians at school. Lo and behold, who got the last laugh, I really used to silly and can laugh at it now cause when science move forward one simply must follow and stop being so stubborn. Indeed Stephen played a huge role in my own disbelief, the whole group he worked with in fact, genuine scientists. Get goosebumps each time I see animations of protein folding, can spend hours just marvel at the Flagellum alone that is so fantastic.

@davidhawley1132

Жыл бұрын

We are "fearfully and wonderfuly made" has got to be the biggest understatement, ever.

@wet-read

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidhawley1132 Can we say this of skyscrapers? Particle accelerators? Darco arcologies?

Great show!

brilliant, of course, but when Stephen acknowledges the scientific materialists, I think just as important to what developed, into the 20th century, is Nietzsche

I really like your show. I can’t bring myself to be a believer but it calls to me. Sometimes I feel like Peter.

@anthonypolonkay2681

2 жыл бұрын

If your genuine in your doubts, then you might be safe. All depending on the meaning of "those who say a word against the son of man shall be forgiven, but he who hears me, and turns away shall not". I'm paraphrasing the idea obviously, but it would seem to be possibly taken to mean that any who genuinely disbelieved out of circumstance can be forgiven for the disbelief, but those who feel the understanding he is there, and is real, but bury themselves in the opposing position due to selfish worldview motives rather than true doubt. But I am also not a theologian, so I could be comlletly mistaken on what that means.

@ABC1232622

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethkraszewski6603 I should read more into my bible. I was reverting to Peter denouncing him 3 times.

Scientific materialism begin with the words I will not serve.

@NeckBreakingStunts

2 жыл бұрын

Yep! God or not, I will not serve :) No one is indebted to their creator, and if god exists, what a failure of a creator is must be to imbue me with that moral position yet hope to rule over me.

5:40 Cool to see Klavan have a lightbulb moment and appreciation of it at the same time :)

Thank you hosting such an important speaker on the evidence for God's existence, very important!

Stephen Meyer is someone you really need to closely observe if you question the existence of God. This Guy has the credentials and credibility to project an accurately defined scientifically supported explanation of how the Universe was created by an All Powerful, Omniscient Creator (God)! If you question that you really should objectively examine Dr. Meyer's prolific published works!

Fantastic. Someone who asks the guest intelligent questions and actually allows them to answer! Great interview. And thank you for a great book, Stephen! I am not a scientist but you made the information accessible to me!

Brilliant! I'm buying his book.

I want to wish you all a blessed, beautiful, healthy and wealthy new year. May 2022 be so good we forget the last 2. Bravo Andrew what a great guest. I've followed Dr. Meyer for about 10 years he didn't start out to prove there was a God. His coming around to that thought was from his scientific discoveries. God bless him and may science continue to unlock the truth of all life on this planet and in the universe 🙏.

Brillant, loved it keep it coming , loved it

Years ago in college, I wrote about a paper by Thomas Nagel about what it's like to be a bat. That still sticks with me today. Weird to hear him brought up over a decade later.

@wet-read

Жыл бұрын

I haven't read it. Is the notion of qualia addressed in it? I have read Nagel's "The Absurd", which is a great essay and throws a bone to religious folks by acknowledging there are definitely, at least sometimes, aspects of existence that are odd and/or problematic, at least in the absence of a teleological notion of existence. He concludes, however, by saying that there is no reason to let the concept of absurdity rule our lives.

I have enjoyed Meyer and his work on I.D. for many years. I highly recommend he and others. Also, check out the Documentary “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” it is a Ben Stein film from 2008-9 I think. Great look at what is happening to Scientific inquiry and the dangers of this type of default no questioning of current dogma in science of Evolutionary Theory.

This was awesome thank you!

So interesting. Love it.

What a great discussion

Bought this book a couple months ago. Hard to put down. My friends found it funny that I had it with me all the time. I couldn’t leave it at home just in case I happened upon some downtime to read.

This is a great introductory video to someone who may be on the fence regarding the question of Gods existence! Bravo Andrew!

The earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water. God said, "ROCK AUTO", and there were affordable car parts delivered to your doorstep.

@nermalsturf

2 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️🤦🏼‍♀️

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

That's the closest anyone came to changing my mind in the last few years.

Amazing author and speaker

Great video

When Andrew stated that atheism is scientifically obsolete, that's the exact phrase I've been looking for for the last two years. Atheism is born of shallow, apathetic thinking. And I lose a lot intellectual respect for anyone that tells me they're an atheist. The older and smarter I got, the more I became a believer.

If all the mainstream theories were debunked, why are they mainstream? What purpose they serve? Why do we still call it science? We can still ask those questions, can’t we?!

@Exedus20

2 жыл бұрын

How dare you!?! Science is real, don't you know? 80% of virtue signaling progressives have a sign on their lawn saying that so its tantamount to federal law.

@ryanolson2308

Жыл бұрын

It’s mainstream because videos like this are complete nonsense lol his argument is literally just we can’t explain certain things therefore god. Most intelligent people do not believe this crap

@Tabatista281178

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanolson2308 Intelligent as yourself I suppose?

@ryanolson2308

Жыл бұрын

@@Tabatista281178 well yeah, I’m intelligent enough to know the mainstream theories have not been debunked, the vast majority of intellectuals and scientists do not believe in god, and this entire video is completely devoid of evidence. It’s literally just “we can’t explain certain things therefore god exists”. Some of the most overused and laughable arguments ever created. Yet the comments section is full of inept morons who just eat this shit up cause it confirms their beliefs. It’s embarrassing really

My disappointment with Francis Collins is strong. Can we get a discussion that addressees his current positions regarding Covid? Thank you Andrew for all you are doing.

@patscheible5140

2 жыл бұрын

Francis Collins’ evident behavior has broken my heart. I hope he will write another book about what happened. In the meantime, I pray for him and all us fallen, broken creatures. It’s clear we’re being assailed as never before by “ cosmic powers, the authorities and potentates of this dark world, against the superhuman forces of evil in the heavens” (Ephesians 6)

Stephen C. Meyer is a great and brilliant mind. He got me into Intelligent Design. He truly had opened my mind. But I don't think you can use science to prove nor disprove God's existence. So scientists can't suggest God as an answer in scientific research and journals. God is in the realm of metaphysics and spirituality. But scientists can personally believe in God or gods.

@ukcadjockey

Жыл бұрын

I'm an atheist and totally agree with you. I see no problem at all with anyone having personal spiritual beliefs, but science can have nothing to say about them.

@MrFossil367ab45gfyth

Жыл бұрын

@@ukcadjockey , I'm glad you agree with me. I'm a science student in college who's into ID, ghosts, cryptids, miracles, etc. Thank you!

@flapjackson6077

Жыл бұрын

@@ukcadjockey You are correct that science has no business expounding on God. But the best atheist scientists in the world have no explanation for the one in a trillion to the 100th power chance that resulted in the life form that allow you and I to communicate about our origins. My mind is blown just thinking about it! 😵

@ukcadjockey

Жыл бұрын

@@flapjackson6077 *You are correct that science has no business expounding on God* Ok, but that's not quite what i said. I said Science can have nothing to say about a persons spiritual beliefs. *But the best atheist scientists in the world have no explanation for the one in a trillion to the 100th power chance that resulted in the life form that allow you and I to communicate about our origins* Hmmm, neither do scientists that believe in god. "God did it" isn't an explanation, it's simply a claim that kicks the explanation further down the road. How did god do it? what forces did he/she/it use to create life? What material was used? what process was used? What necessitated the creation of life?, i.e. why would a supernatural being bother? Are we simply a chemical experiment? You'll notice that dr. Meyer only offers the claim, not any kind of explanation. Just because science doesn't presume to know the answers to everything in the universe doesn't mean that a spiritual view is correct by default. Your probability figure is arbitrary, how do you know it's not less than that or more than that? Define life, it's not as easy as you think.

I loved this

Before I even start watching this video I want to say that science is the path to God and math is the universal language that he speaks.

As an atheist I find this interesting and will add such to my bookshelf with other cancelled books. Lol.

@neptasur

2 жыл бұрын

Add Edward Feser too.

You should interview Hugh Ross about this too.

Very interesting

The reality of our mind is the reason for creative thinking. One path is to examine the world in the search for truth. Another way is to defend one’s beliefs. These two aren’t even comparable since they don’t share the same basics. One is relating to knowing and the other is relating to believing, two totally different things. To know if a stone is hard or soft you need to compare it to other materials. To believe a stone is hard you can just drop it on you foot and you’re a believer of the hard stone and ready to go to the next feeling. Knowledge is an evolving process of defining the world around us. Believing is based on imagination and proof is irrelevant or even a threat for the storybook it sometimes derives from. Most facts in the bible concerning God and angels are based on dreaming uneducated farmers thousands of years ago. I do love the idea of a Heavenly Father that always supports me. If I had a good relationship to my real parents I’d probably would have installed the “religious app” in my life. I can’t bare the idea of having the big guy breathing up my neck 24/7.

Brilliant. What are the chances this book makes into University required reading lists?!?!

So what created " God " ?

Thank GOD! It looked like you were talking to Tom Cruise in the thumbnail. I really didn't want to hear a scientologist explain a scientific case for God!

I think it is important to remind ourselves that the creation order does not directly reveal God or provide airtight proofs but it does provide evidences that strongly imply and suggest and point toward something beyond and transcendent of the material and temporal order, to fully understand and explain the mysteries of life, mind, soul being, cosmic and human existence. Seeing the necessity to extend our horizon of possibilty and actuality into the hidden invisible domain of the supernatural and spiritual is not invoking a God of the gaps it is not explaining away the mystery that can be understood scientifically it is instead a cutting edge scientific understanding of the empirical evidence that challenges and confronts conventional naturalistic and purely materialistic and reductionist explanations with their incompetency, failures and inherent limitations.

The biggest obstacle for belief to me is God's silence. As bizarre as it sounds the only thing I can conclude looking at the world is that there is a God but He doesn't want to be found, or at least wants limited belief. This would, paradoxically, make it most moral to act like God doesn't exist.

God does not exist, God simply "Is". When Moses asked "what shall I tell them your name is?" God simply answers "I Am". God did not say "I exist", he said "I am". God is like Mathematics, math is still math even if the universe, energy, spacetime, etc... does not exist. All the principles of math are still valid and are still the same. Calculus, Trigonometry, Geometry, Algebra, addition, subtraction, numbers are still what they were. Exceedingly useful concepts. Quantum Mechanics says that if no matter or energy exists, a huge amount of negative and positive energy and matter can spontaneously come into existence out of nothing as long as their are equal amounts of both. But the rules of Quantum Mechanics are the rules before any energy or matter comes into existence. Who or what set up the rules? Why are the rules what they are? God is the source from which all universal rules come.

@neptasur

2 жыл бұрын

"God simply "Is"". Which is existence. God's essence is existence. Math is a little trickier. If you want to say math is a form or a universal, that's fine, but it seems better to say that math is a concept in a mind. QM does not show that something comes from nothing. Nor does it show causality is false. "matter can spontaneously come into existence out of nothing as long as their are equal amounts of both". What?

@frontierteg

2 жыл бұрын

@@neptasur Incorrect. 2 does not exist, it is a concept, concepts are things that "are" that are recognized by our minds. Those things that simply "are" are eternal, unencumbered by existence. "matter can spontaneously come into existence out of nothing as long as their are equal amounts of both". See 'A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss and the Dawkins institute. I don't believe I EVER said causality is false. We live in a deterministic universe which implies we don't have true free will. The only way a human body can truly have a free will is if something exists outside of the deterministic universe that can influence it. Math is not deterministic, math is not influenced by matter or energy, Just like God is not deterministic. If God has connected a nondeterministic soul to each of our bodies then those souls can be free agents experiencing the universe through those bodies within a deterministic universe.

@neptasur

2 жыл бұрын

@@frontierteg ok, "is" doesn't mean "exist" and all the scholastics are wrong because you say so. Ok. Krauss spends a whole book arguing that something can come from nothing, only to fess up in the last chapter that he's assuming a whole lot of things (primordial vacuum, physical laws, et Al), which is hardly nothing. Secondary causes have their own efficient causes. Not controversial.

@frontierteg

2 жыл бұрын

@@neptasur not sure why you're looking for an argument.

@neptasur

2 жыл бұрын

@@frontierteg "Argument". Discussion. Isn't that what the comment section is for? You must have some direct knowledge of the subject or you wouldn't know it's relation to concepts. Being a Kantian is hard.

Light behaving strangely at a distance - this quantum entanglement thing is spooky, weird, and awesome! Just the fact that an observer has significance supported by SOMETHING extra dimensional in nature 🤯

So what are the exact proposition and definitions please? We can not explain why there is existence itself, thus there was the woman named Mary who give birth without having sex first, to a man who is the offspring of an entity that is responsible for the prior said existence itself. Is that it?

@elaineteut1249

2 жыл бұрын

They are telling us today that men can have babies, so. . .

Science arose from religion, a point Jordan Peterson made in his first 12 Rules for Life and restated by Bishop Barron. That really shook my (now defunct) atheism.

@nathansmith7686

2 жыл бұрын

But It doesn't matter if religion inspired it, science is independent of religion. If a religion says one thing that contradict what we have observe, then that religion is wrong.

@oambitiousone7100

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathansmith7686 "Religion and science are compatible and complementary paths to truth."

@oambitiousone7100

2 жыл бұрын

@@nathansmith7686 I found Bishop Robert Barron's videos on science topic helpful in parsing the seeming contradiction. Keep trying to share a link but YT kicks those out. 🤷‍♀️

@nathansmith7686

2 жыл бұрын

@@oambitiousone7100 (Non-Dogmatic) Religion and Science can be compatible, but are not complementary paths to truth.

@nathansmith7686

2 жыл бұрын

@@oambitiousone7100 Just tell me the exact title of the video, I should be able to find it on youtube.

Outstanding coherent interview.Definitely worth archiving.

There sure have been a lot of “science proves God” videos lately. I’m not complaining, but did something happen to provoke this? BlazeTV, DailyWire, Louder with Crowder, etc. have all been posting videos like this.

@richardthompson4059

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps the perception that the end is drawing neigh?

@Geezerelli

2 жыл бұрын

Pelosi flying around on her broom scared people to look for a god to destroy this evil.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardthompson4059 Yeah, like we're that lucky...

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Geezerelli I do believe that evil exists, See Pelosi, N. It's just that I dont believe a devil exists.

@Geezerelli

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggusta1 Isn’t the witch of the west like a devil? Anyone that can ride a broomstick through the air and have a nephew like Nuisance must have evil in them.

It says this was published yesterday, but I am sure this is a re-run. I remember seeing this exact conversation before.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

You're right. Ak has really dropped off on his production and only is doing one new show a week. I think on Friday. He seems to be checking out of their production goals and going back to writing fiction or movies or other projects. It's too bad, for me he's easily the most interesting of their growing crew.

@patscheible5140

2 жыл бұрын

I trust Andrew to be doing what God needs him to be doing.

Quantum physics begins with the perceiving mind, which debunks most of the "discoveries" of quantum physics. This is like trying to grasp infinity, but easier.

@neptasur

2 жыл бұрын

QM is used by some to support reductionism. However, the findings of QM are dependent on a non-reducible observer.

@thomasmoores8239

2 жыл бұрын

@@neptasur Or it's used to confuse those who are too likely to believe the simple explanation. The goal of the speaker is relevant.

Cool

I really don't know why people keep saying that Richard Dawkins is "brilliant", as if it's just understood. I really don't get it. He has always sounded bufoonish and childlike in his observations. I have no problem where credit is due, but I do not give someone that had "blind indifference" to facts and tried to constantly straw man theism as a concept any credit where a bevy of compelling information exists. No credit is due. Please stop giving it to him.

Father Georges Lemaître> the Priest Behind the Big Bang Theory and Father Robert Spitzer are two notable religious believer who both have excellent explanation of the world and God.

Assuming you're not born into atheism, I consider it a useful adolescent stage. To develop intellectually, we must reject blind faith. Atheists raised from religious parents have rejected blind faith and have to some extent engaged with the fundamental questions of life and meaning. I'm confident that if that questioning/investigation continues, it will necessarily lead them out of atheism. If the searching stops, then atheism will harden into faith. Several topics have taken atheism off the table for me: Bell's Theorem (particles have no locally independent reality before observation), reincarnation research, NDE reports, the nano-machine-like complexity of the simplest cell and the specific complex information encoded in DNA. The other piece is the realization that materialism does not define what science is, nor how the scientific method works. It is simply the dominant philosophical paradigm of the day and is treated as axiomatic in much of popular science communication.

Sorry but I found this to be a rather weak discussion. It seems like people, both for and against the existence of a supreme being, always get the tiniest sliver of information and make grand conjecture from it.

@carnakthemagnificent336

2 жыл бұрын

MSM - you should check out Meyer's latest book. The evidence presented against a naturalist/materialist origin of the universe and life on earth is very compelling.

@Michael-yl2iq

2 жыл бұрын

@@carnakthemagnificent336 There are many books. Meyer attempting to prove God and Stenger proving natural. I have read several of the books. Bottom line is we like to assume far to much based on far too little.

So many wonderful things said… unfortunately my mind can’t seem to hold on to them for long, I wonder sometimes if that is part of the God design or my own failings

@nordicnugget

Жыл бұрын

In the same boat my friend, although I think I'm starting to get out of it. I would get anxiety about something and do research and find an answer then just fall back into it, but if we hold on to God we will endure.

18:50-19:15 I want to believe "I" go on after death (assuming a God is required for an afterlife, however that may not be the case) and I don't want to be bound by restrictions imposed upon me by that same God. I don't like feeling that my every thought and gesture is being witnessed and judged. I can't imagine anyone enjoying that. And it seems absurd to believe life just happened on its own. We and everything around us are the work of a designer. But why design a world where suffering is inextricably woven into the very fabric of existence? I don't doubt there is a creator, I question how loving that creator is.

Emotional robots.. Why? Its a important question that has a real answer.

If God does not know where he came from, what hope is there for Mankind......?

Next video: 'The Scientific Case for Witchcraft'

It isn’t really science if you have a determined preconceived expectation of the outcome of the facts and experimentation before you know the scientific results.

@MultiSky7

11 ай бұрын

And that's why the "science" as we know it is a BS, especially because it's tied with financial interests and conflict of interests.

The multiverse theory as an explanation for the fine-tuning of the universe is a much less convincing argument for atheism than Francis Crick’s “panspermia”theory is for explaining the unintended, unintelligent, non-designed origin of life. Which was handled, surprisingly because it was Hollywood, with one, simple question in the movie “Prometheus,” the first prequel to their “Alien” movies. The film’s protagonist has proven that the alien “engineers” made humans so her boyfriend says, “I guess you can take off your father’s cross.” She replies, “Why would I want to do that?” “Because they made us,” he says. She, oh so simply replies, “And who made them?” He offers no answer, he has no answer, even as Francis Crick had no answer. I’m amazed he was never laughed off of a single conference lectern.

If I was an atheist I would have to conclude that some advanced alien race designed us.

@ggusta1

2 жыл бұрын

Why

Case for "G_d" perhaps, but not Abraham, Moses, Jesus, or Mohammad. This, our universe, is perhaps but one of many expressions of the "G_d" hypothesis, the theory of which demands humility, not judgement.

@nuqwestr

2 жыл бұрын

@J.P. Agreed.

@nuqwestr

2 жыл бұрын

@J.P. "Allowed", would you reconsider that? Perhaps "encouraged" to read further?

The thing is. Even if I grant you that God created the universe. Which God? Seems deism is the way to go. And I’ve yet to hear a shred of a theory on how that god was created (god always existed doesn’t answer the question).

​Modern Quantum Physics has shown that reality is based on probability: ​ A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of just one (1) functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by un-directed random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.) Of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer. On the other hand, it has been scientifically proven numerous times that Consciousness does indeed collapse the wave function to cause information waves of probability/potentiality to become particle/matter with 1/1 probability. A rational and reasonable person could therefore conclude that the answer is consciousness. A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely irrational and unreasonable hypotheses are what some of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview. Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased, incomplete ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millennia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by observation of the universe and discoveries in Quantum Physics.)

It is impossible to separate God from science! Artificial intelligent robots can never be programmed with a spirit or soul, to make them human!

We don't need to find God. We need to allow God to accept us...

I don’t care what anyone says he’s saying a whole bunch of nothing. He just sounds smart because he’s rambling just my opinion 🤷🏽

He says Big Bang shows universe is finite, but then (when talking of fine tuning) allows a bigger universe through considering the multi-verse (which he claims must still be fine tuned in any speculative explanations of multi-verse SO FAR proposed!). What if multi-verse is infinite? In addition why is finite universe better for theists? (N.B. That idea is denied by Thomas Aquinas). It can still just "be" if you don't have any way of inferring a transcendent intelligence.

From 17:30 on.... HAMMER ON NAIL HEAD.