I love that Dr. Mike starts right away with trying to clear up misunderstanding through definitions. There's so much nuance to this topic.

@purefury702

Ай бұрын

Maybe there seems like there is so much nuance because the community is so fearful of asserting objective truths that they refuse to even assign definitions to words. What is the point of even having language if using it doesn't convey meaningful information to another person?

@sSpaceWagon

Ай бұрын

@@Reiza-jj5lfit’s because the real world is complicated.

@zkapsh

Ай бұрын

​@@purefury702 what is chair

@Arachdrakon

Ай бұрын

I'm not so happy because Jack doesn't come up with one single clear definition and Mike doesn't push him on that.

@NeonKue

Ай бұрын

What was cleared up? All I heard was terms without definition cus apparently there’s multiple definitions that the other Doctor couldn’t even explain. This is the medical field people. There needs to be one clear cut definition based on logical facts without the propaganda when it comes to health and wellness, otherwise what’s the point?

Regardless of your opinions, accepting unprompted physical violence and bullying is shameful. The necessity of putting a suicide hotline number under the video brings emphasis to the issue as well.

@mxstrikk

Ай бұрын

Exactly; I put it like this: it's good that it exists, it's bad that it *needs* to exist.

@zanefreeman954

Ай бұрын

@@mxstrikk I was mostly talking about how the hotline needs to be underneath the video.

@jeramieshoe837

Ай бұрын

If you have an issue with what people do at home you're a psychopath. Can't blame people for their extreme reactions we don't know the trauma or mental capacity of strangers. That's why we must learn to defend ourselves from threats. Not trying to defend violent reactions on mental or neurological issues it just should be said by someone.

@landonpoland5092

Ай бұрын

The hotline was put on the video because the topic of suicide was brought up all together, any video that talks about has to have it, it a KZread thing not a specific subject thing

@ahha6304

Ай бұрын

You realise that trans people, if not getting murdered the most, then have a chance to commit suicide the most due to never been treated as human, right?

It’s so refreshing to hear two people talking, pausing asking for clarification and examples before answering. Not shying away or reducing the detail. This is how we should talk to each other.

Dr. Mike out here not wearing any shoes for a conversation, gotta respect the comfort over formality

@The_Blue_Wizard

28 күн бұрын

Really shows the benefits of working from home. lol

@duse1010

17 күн бұрын

@@The_Blue_Wizard Also shows that us Slavs just don't wear shoes at home.

@_goon

16 күн бұрын

Had to let us know he had socks on

@JaneyDoe-gx2vb

14 күн бұрын

@@kylespeck7545 Yeah a doctor without shoes is EXACTLY the kind of person I’m going to trust with my well-being 🤣

@c1nqbl7

11 күн бұрын

Yeah ​@@duse1010

I'm a detransitioner, I was struggling with anorexia and body dysmorphia at the time plus undiagnosed autism and bpd. I loved this conversation, thank you for bringing detransition up with no judgement, I feel like it is often misunderstood.

@pathwaytousername

Ай бұрын

Hope you're doing well now! Glad they focused on the facts and stuff.

@tengosueno6555

Ай бұрын

@@pathwaytousername Yes doing great now! thank you

@ZijnShayatanica

Ай бұрын

I have so much empathy for many detransitioners... I'm just upset when some of them use their experiences to promote transphobia & insist other people don't have the right to express themselves in a way that feels right for them. It's unfortunate that a vocal minority has hurt so many people - trans & detrans people alike.

@tengosueno6555

Ай бұрын

@@ZijnShayatanica I feel like this too. Trans and detrans should work together, not against each other. I don't like when other detrans people use their experience to say transition isn't good for anyone, the same goes for trans people, I think many treat detransitioners badly and say that we just are transphobic. I have my experience, I confused my issues with gender dysphoria, that doesn't mean that others don't have it and that transition isn't the right approach for them. Trans and detrans people should coexist, respect each other and work together against stigma

@ZijnShayatanica

Ай бұрын

@@tengosueno6555 I agree... I understand a lot of the trans community feeling defensive & scared, because the world is hostile & the political atmosphere online is even moreso. But... That's no excuse not to listen to someone & hear them out. The only time I'd suggest a trans person not seek out detrans content is if it's becoming a form of self-harm - some of us have used it time to time to try to convince ourselves it isn't valid & continue to suppress. But ultimately... I hope that the hateful environment dies down & we can hear less from the screeching mobs so the rest of us can have a moment of peace. 🙃 I'm really glad you finally figured out what was right for you. That must have been fkn HARD... Because someone who isn't trans going through social transition &/or medical transition would just CAUSE dysphoria! Which I don't wish on anybody, cis or trans.

Finally, someone talking about gender and transgender people who are actually medical experts and someone who is knowledgeable in the field! There's far too many arm chair doctors when it comes to transgender people.

@cesarcueto1995

Ай бұрын

there are plenty of doctors who are critical of transitioning and they are mostly silenced or ridiculed simply for disagreeing. In the end, you will criticize anyone who disagrees with you regardless of their profession.

@EliseVeldt-xc5wl

Ай бұрын

​@@cesarcueto1995 okay, you have any sources can you name reputable doctor who is silenced or ridiculed?

@ragoth6207

Ай бұрын

​@@cesarcueto1995have you watched the full video?

@oraclegaming1431

Ай бұрын

@@cesarcueto1995I can understand being critical on an issue that isn’t fully researched but there is no other proven alternative for people who suffer from GD and those people will live their lives regardless of how long it takes to come to a complete conclusion on what the best course of action is. People do still need healthcare for such problems.

@ShiftylittleDemon

Ай бұрын

​​​​​@@cesarcueto1995 are they silenced because they are critical or silenced because they aren't credible or reputable? If you have questions about heart surgery are you going to ask a chiropractor or a cardiologist? If you have questions about diabetes treatments are you going to ask the guy who lost his license or the guy who actively practices?

I'm writing this about 15 minutes into this video, but gender dysphoria impacts more than I let myself think about because the whole reason I fear getting a job, going to school, going to work, socializing, meeting long distance friends, showing my face online and have a hard time with self care and everything in between is that I feel like I can't be who I am.

@VitaeLibra

26 күн бұрын

I've recently started realizing how much I've actually blamed on other stuff when really it's just that I can't even talk on a video call because the slightest hint at a beard makes me feel like I can't present myself in public

@veikureinn

23 күн бұрын

@@VitaeLibra felt

@ghostfish771

12 күн бұрын

​@@VitaeLibradepends on what you're trying to present as?

@Slop_Dogg

8 күн бұрын

there will be a brighter day, friend. stay strong.

@missmochiicecream

8 күн бұрын

BIG MOOD. It's hard to put it into words for myself, because it's not a thought that I have active at the forefront of my brain - but it runs in the background, like my brain is a processor and it's spending RAM on thoughts and tasks that run behind the scenes of an active program - and these thoughts constantly have influence on how I interact with the outside world. I realize, rationally, that other people could literally not care any less LOL but I put so much value into how I represent myself, how I want people to perceive me, and knowing that I don't present the way I'm convinced I should makes it harder to put myself out there.

In regards to John Money and the twin boys that he was working with they are from my hometown and they both had extremely bad outcomes as John Money did way more than just change the ones gender but forced them to do horrendous things to each other as well. He is absolutely disgusting and should have went to prison for the things he did but they are all deceased now.

@JohnSmith-ju8eg

23 күн бұрын

@@vitaluka One took his own life the other OD'd

@zarbins

20 күн бұрын

It's all good though he helped popularize the blank slate theory of gender and that we have an internal sense of gender identity! Well worth those children's suffering. Don't you think?

@neilfleming8404

19 күн бұрын

@@zarbins He popularized that we DONT have an internal sense of gender identity; that was his theory. That it was nurture. We now know (as Dr Turban explained) that people DO know what gender they are - hence the transcendent sense of gender Dr Turban keeps referring to. This Debunks Money s theory. The only people still claiming the 'nurture' theory is the anti-trans campaigners (such as rapid onset gender dysphoria through social contagion - that relies on Money's theory of gender being nurtured through society).

@woodpigeonsong

18 күн бұрын

​@@zarbins Money showed that people had an innate sense of gender identity and they can't force people to be something they're not identifying as: he induced dysphoria in people. His research proved the danger and disgusting effects of maintaining and promoting gender dysphoria. Trans people go through that process, just from assigned sex rather than an external gender assignment. It actually shows that allowing an individual to self express rather than have gender imposed on them is important - especially for mutilated intersex children. A trans man for example grows up AFAB, then is socially imposed on by others with female stereotypes, creating a disconnect between innate sense of gender versus nurtured social roles. This is exactly what the cis boys went through in Money's study. What Money put the boys through is what people put trans kids through when they deny them self expression.

@samuraibat1916

16 күн бұрын

​@@zarbins Disgusting way to look at it. Children should not be sacrificed on some altar of progress.

I'm so happy to see this topic discussion by medical experts snd not politicians.

@PROVOCATEURSK

Ай бұрын

Imagine the world run by doctors. Majority of things would be banned, they would run a dictatorship.

@alexzacuber

Ай бұрын

Same. Politicians think they are experts when they have a high school dropout level knowledge of sex. I also hate that some general doctors that don't specialise in gender, sex and gender identity talk about this in politics.

@Geegeegemini

Ай бұрын

Turban is a trans advocate and paid to say what he says

@alexzacuber

Ай бұрын

@@Geegeegemini But that does not mean that any of this isn't true. It is just better to see an actual expert talk about it instead of a politician or a general doctor that doesn't even understand intersex

@loveyourwaifu1035

Ай бұрын

@@Geegeegemini and a lot of politicians, especially in the US are driven be religious doctrine and say things that are purposefully inflammatory to get a bigger platform and get more votes let's remember the american politician that called trans and LGBT folk "imps" and "demons" and wanted to be rid of us while also constantly referring to the bible i wonder where separation of church and state ran off to

i'm only about 30 minutes in but i really really appreciate dr mike 1. talking about this on such a large platform and 2. really listening to dr turban and asking questions - really promising so far, and i'm glad because it's a little scary to actually click on a video like this because of all the negativity it can spawn

@stringX90

Ай бұрын

I thought this convo was pretty weak

@dazeyrays

Ай бұрын

@@stringX90 i don't think so personally - doctor mike did a lot of listening which might make it seem weak but honestly he acknowledged that this is a subject where he needs to learn, so he let doctor turban educate him and asked a lot of questions when he needed to

@rose_cool4662

Ай бұрын

I wish I could read this like in paragraphs and not from the transcription. I find it hard to sit down and watch these long videos even though I really want to

@redditrepo473

Ай бұрын

​@@rose_cool4662there are websites that will scrape the KZread auto generated (or handwritten if they're present) captions. Google Downsub or views4you.

@dr_israrkibzai

Ай бұрын

@@dazeyrays There were No Medical Related talk, All They were discussing was Pseudosciene ... You should watch his Vedio of Cross Examining Dr Grundy that how a proper Dr Should Ask Questions this Time I dunno Why he accepted all the Pseudoscience Answers,Which don't have any evidence whatsoever.

It’s weird how they say we’re getting quick free irreversible treatment or something when I literally can’t get my hands on hormones and I’m almost through with puberty

@DrumL3000

15 күн бұрын

Depends maybe on state or country...

@ingmar89

14 күн бұрын

Might be a blessing... I have not fully realized who I was until I was at least 32. And I'm still developing, accepting a lot unchangeable things about myself as I go.

@palerider955

13 күн бұрын

Good.

@hahahahhahahhaha786

13 күн бұрын

You don’t need hormones to feel normal. You need to accept yourself to feel normal. Don’t become another cash cow for big pharma. You’re fine the way you are.

@sus425

13 күн бұрын

@@hahahahhahahhaha786what a useless comment

What is going on culturally when we're young absolutely impacts how we think about this stuff. For example, my mother is what I would call gender fluid, but that wasn't something that was well known when she was growing up. She was growing up in the 70s, after the publication of the book Sybil, when MPD/DID was the pop psychology topic of the era. When I was a kid she described herself as having "multiple personalities, and not all of them are women." She does not experience a loss of awareness or dissociation when these "different personalities" come forward, however. She does not have DID, this was just the language that was available to her explain her experience. Since she didn't grow up thinking about her gender identity in the terms we use now, and since many times she feels more like a woman than not, she still self identifies as a cis woman and uses she/her pronouns. This is absolutely in line with what Dr. Turban says about how the older generations conceive of the terms "trans" and "cis."

@inix2761

29 күн бұрын

That's super cool! As a genuine comment/question, are you aware there's other ways of having "different personalities" (or "plurality" or "multiplicity") that isn't DID? DID is just a diagnostic label from a medical guidebook, but the experience of being many people is probably super old. As old as humankind. :)

@scalylayde8751

28 күн бұрын

@@inix2761 in a vague way, I am, but I am definitely not well informed about it. I was just trying to communicate my story as best I could, I didn’t mean to dismiss other variations of the human condition :)

@inix2761

28 күн бұрын

@@scalylayde8751 Oh, that's not what I meant when I was bringing it up! It was more like "maybe that's something to ask your mom about and how she feels about it now?" Because to me, it sounds like your mom is plural, by how she discussed it, and I wondered if it would be fulfilling or exciting or give her some peace of mind to know she's not the only person in the world who has the same or similar experiences as her.

@Frukthjalte

24 күн бұрын

This reminds me kind of of my own background a bit. I’m 29 and I spent my first few years abroad with my family. Although I did pick up the language around me (French) during that time okay-ish, my parents and most of my closest friend always spoke Swedish to me during those years (we were in Luxembourg which has a very international population due to its many European Union institutions). During those years, I was a very “tomboyish” kid (or, more accurately, I didn’t really “think” about gender expression at all, though I leaned more towards “boyish” things like superheroes and action stuff or even - gasp - the uniquely masculine color palette of BLUES rather than PINKS). Because my family was in such a comfortable position financially, my mom could stay at home with me all the time, so I didn’t really “mix” with other children (except those who were my friends) until we moved back to Sweden and I had to go to pre-K with other kids for like six months, so whenever I mixed with kids other than my friends I never really cared about what they were saying about me. Then we moved back to Sweden and I had to hang out with kids whose language I understood. Literally after the first day when my mom picked me up she noticed I was sad and asked why and I replied “Because [some other dumb ass child] told me I can never be a farmer because I’m a girl”. ?????? We were like FIVE?

@robertmarshall2502

24 күн бұрын

Wpath, that Jack Turban keeps making false claims about thinks that ppl with "multiple personalities" (it's actually a popular pseudoscience that we got lots of teen girls identifying with in the past, sound familiar?), can be transitioned even if none of the genders of the "alters" match up. Let that sink in.

This topic needs so much more level-headed discussion. Love to see this.

@nivvy19

Ай бұрын

Absolutely. Good to see some pushback from Mike, e.g. transwomen in sports, but felt he could've pushed bit more, esp because I feel he disagrees with the doc with a book to sell.

@Joe-iq1bu

Ай бұрын

@@nivvy19 they belong in their biological sexes sport

@shadow14805

Ай бұрын

​​@@nivvy19I love when people only focus on the small part of the video that agrees with their narrative and completely ignore the rest. Very good example of confirmation bias.

@missykami

Ай бұрын

Fr

@tilly704

Ай бұрын

were the politician the ones that downgraded the level of the talk, trans woman are persecuted because politics, nothing in science goes against trans people.

Regardless of where you stand on the issue, nobody should ever have to face bullying and harassment for being gay or being trans. To be honest I don't know any trans people personally, but I have known a lot of gay, lesbian, and bisexual people over the years who have either never told the families or been completely rejected by their families for telling them. I had a family member come out as gay and people treated him with such disgust that he ended it all. I have had more than one bisexual girlfriend in my lifetime where they were terrified of their parents knowing about it. And I have a gay friend who got rejected by his own parents and cut off from his family. It's not right to treat people that way.

@wyythrw

Ай бұрын

cz. / . . .

@fire_rises

Ай бұрын

I disagree

@hannahhowden8980

Ай бұрын

I’m so sorry you lost a family member to homophobia. I will say at least as gay people we can choose to hide if we feel we could be in immediate danger. If you are in the process of transitioning, don’t totally “pass”, or at this point in the US even look any type of gender fluidity, you can’t choose to hide from dangerous people. It’s crazy people can have a “stance”, a point of view, or an opinion on basic human rights. We’re all human. End of story.

@xmangoxmadnessx5505

Ай бұрын

I do agree!

@4dojo

Ай бұрын

@@fire_rises Okay. Do you care to elaborate on what you disagree with and why? Otherwise your comment is pointless because it's not like anybody changes their mind about something the moment a faceless person on the internet says "I disagree".

My opinion as a trans man is that gender dysphoria should be considered a pathology. This is an unusual thing to experience that requires treatment. If it wasn't then people like me would either be biologically the sex that we try to appear as or would be fine with being seen as the gender that usually goes with our biological sex.

@BudewFan_

28 күн бұрын

It kind of is seen as a pathology isn’t it? The treatment is just transition not anti depressant or some other medication

@KennyS26

28 күн бұрын

I mean in order to get the right gender affirming care it has to be seen as a pathology but it’s more nuanced than that because not all trans people will experience gender dysphoria and there are ranges and levels to gender dysphoria.

@DILFDylF

27 күн бұрын

Who says it's not considered pathological?

@-theconflictinsideyou-1951

27 күн бұрын

Guys... an opinion is an opinion. Gender dysphoria might already be seen as a pathology, and this guy just agrees or something. An opinion doesn't always have to be a different one. 🤦‍♂️

@taharefu6805

26 күн бұрын

I felt this psychiatrist wanted to say more but stopped himself in fear that he would be seen negatively by his patients or trans community. Instead of speaking medically, I feel he was catering to people's feelings.

Hi! I'm a cis female, and I'm glad that you brought up that cis people also have complex gender identities, like how I don't fit in with a stereotypical "womanhood." Thank you for being so open minded.

@ryanthomas9306

22 күн бұрын

That’s like saying I have a complex gender identity as a man for not liking foot ball

@I_Watch_YOutube

22 күн бұрын

@@ryanthomas9306 no it isn't. Not all "masculine" men like football, like my father and brother. Your example is about preference, not social norms. It's perfectly normal to be a football fan, but it's also perfectly normal not to be.

@ryanthomas9306

22 күн бұрын

@@I_Watch_YOutubeso give me an example of what the person means then

@ryanthomas9306

22 күн бұрын

@@I_Watch_YOutubeshe also says “cis” female which implies she doesn’t know the difference between gender and sex

@MrSub132

20 күн бұрын

So you mean are a woman?

Dr Mike, please bring a gynae or a doctor with a specialty dealing in menstruation/cycle, etc. to talk about the origin of the terminologies, the misconceptions, how to deal with the pain and PMS, intermenstrual bleeding, ovulation pain and bleeding, science-backed food and hygiene practices that make the period a better experience for women.

@ey9547

Ай бұрын

And maybe something on menopause and the brain too.

@tianag8513

Ай бұрын

Also maybe talk to them about the differences between male and female healthcare and how women tend not to be taken seriously about their pain (IUD insertion as an example)

@Dragonaiis

Ай бұрын

this!!

@1039165

Ай бұрын

I know he's already talked in other videos about how heart attacks (for example) present differently in women, but it might be a good thing to bring up as well.

@surakshaguragain5538

Ай бұрын

Yes

The most frustrating part of being trans that it feels like everyone gets a chance to decide "what to do with you", except you. Politicians, religious people, family, and doctors who don't work with trans people at all, and of course, people who want to get some quick fame by espousing controversy. Everyone has an opinion, and the less they know about what it's like to be trans, the louder they get to be. It's exhausting to be constantly under scrutiny and attack. Even with doctors, we're treated almost like a curiosity than actual people. We really are on our own.

@VixenArt3

Ай бұрын

@@Arachdrakon Huh? You completely misunderstood the comment. They never suggested the doctor needs to be trans in order to treat trans people, they said they need to know about trans people, the same way how an oncologist needs to know about cancer and tumors in order to treat it. Also, doctors usually work with patients in order to learn more about the condition in question.

@ryanthomas9306

Ай бұрын

@@VixenArt3lol Imagine someone going “well my therapist said so”

@justanormaldude42069

Ай бұрын

@@Mas-ij3ti You comparing a medical professional to a restaurant and a business shows me that you neither have any understanding or respect for medical professionals.

@janejenkins5137

Ай бұрын

From what I've seen, the most narsasitic people have the loudest voices on both sides unfortunately. Genuine trans people just get lost in the noise. This should never have been politicised, and used as a tool to divide people.

@justanormaldude42069

Ай бұрын

@@Arachdrakon Where is this even coming from? Depression, while can be debilitating, doesn't necessarily impair your judgement to the point where you are unable to decide what is the best for you. I can assure you that excluding a few rare cases (which you might come under, idk what your experience is like), or crisis circumstances most patients with depression are perfectly capable of understanding the consequences and weighing the benefits of decisions enough to make sound judgements for their best interests. Any therapist/ psychiatrist that infantilises their patients or minimises their agency is not fulfilling the fundamental principles we need to follow as mental health professionals, I can assure you of that. If you disagree with this, please re-read the comment and look this up online, I know the training we undergo. That being said, strawman-ing this person's argument just shows that you have no intention of understanding what this person has to say. They never said anything about doctors having the same illness/experiences as the patients in order to give them essential treatment. While you don't need to have cancer to treat it, if you have no idea what cancer is and spend most of your time gaslighting your patients that their symptoms are in fact not related to cancer and instead demonise them for having said symptoms.... well then you should have your licence revoked. Unfortunately, that rarely happens when you only target marginalised communities who don't have much power within the society. Plenty of doctors carry prejudice towards people, certain life saving procedures or can be just as if not more vulnerable to misinformed propaganda. I have personally seen people lose their lives over this. I've seen enough "doctors" dismiss the effect of mental illness and trauma in their patients that had deadly consequences. Pedestalising doctors will get you nowhere.

Wow, I was so scared of checking the comments section... But I was actually pleasantly surprised at how accepting people are here!

@cubsfanman-nx6pg

16 күн бұрын

Its because the theme of the video is a generally "pro trans" outlook. If it were promotijg anti trans stuff then trans people and supporters would just skip it while anti trans people would be likely to leave comments because they agree Vice versa is true too so since it's "pro trans" then anti trans people are more likely to skip it and then pro trans people are more likely to comment since they agree

Omg Bruce and Bryan Reimer. John Money was a doctor in my city. That family went through so much. Both of the twins have died by suicide. That whole thing was so fucked.

I’m not even trans, gay or bi, or anything in that category(at least I think still figuring that out)Let’s just appreciate how open minded and thoughtful Dr. Mike is. He’s so professional and is always accepting of new knowledge that will help the person who is trying to spread the right information, but also helping Dr Mike with knowing how to help someone in these situations of gender identity and sexual identity.(if that’s the right way of saying that, I’m sorry if it isn’t.)

@lisahillis8973

Ай бұрын

Bless you for simply being a good human! In the comments section of this video? Made my day.

@How-ix3ds

25 күн бұрын

Gay

@Blernster

24 күн бұрын

Sounds like something someone who craves the scent of a girthy Bonner would say

@lt_muffin6994

24 күн бұрын

@@How-ix3dsgrow up.

@johnhostetler2167

23 күн бұрын

Yeah people being open minded to children being forced into irreversible treatments and having their bodies mutilated, real sick stuff

I really enjoy the flow and the way Dr. Mike allows his guests to speak but also contributes equally in the conversation. He is a good listener. So many shows like Piers Morgan interrupt and interrogate their guests repeatedly as if they claim to be open minded but really only want their perspectives to be heard and understood. Piers does this with guests he disagrees with.

@ana..a.

Ай бұрын

well duh its piers morgan 💀💀

@chilledburrito

Ай бұрын

Piers Morgan really just fighting for the soundbites LOL Should be a chef with how much of a tosser he is.

@katcalico9142

Ай бұрын

⁠@@ana..a.😂

@frankcaggiano8282

Ай бұрын

Not guests with whom he disagrees, he disagrees with plenty and has perfectly normal, civil conversations. When a lunatic who refuses to believe science and factual evidence comes on his show and constantly fights him on every easily googleable point they're wrong about, yeah, it's probably fuckin annoying and exhausting.

@Afrogirrl

Ай бұрын

I think he’s more firm and more confrontational to people who spew nonsense lol

if Dr. Mike says I need to listen to a 3 hour video, I will.

@Shmethan

20 сағат бұрын

I'm sat

when talking about sports; There's always a big focus on trans women, when - because of these new discriminatory laws - many trans men are now forced to compete with cis women, even after/during their transition, sparking a whole new amount of controversy because they are at that point actively taking testosterone.

@calebgibson55

28 күн бұрын

Has there been a trans man that has won a popular competition against men.

@lexaharpell5823

28 күн бұрын

​@@calebgibson55No....apparently only equestrian and perhaps archery sex makes no to little difference.

@lexaharpell5823

28 күн бұрын

Trans need to create their own sports category as women and physically disabled did. There was a swimming competition created for trans swimmers and no one entered. Hmmmm

@RoVicD

28 күн бұрын

Yea, I hated that part of the conversation. The problem is trans women participating with other women. I've never heard a debate about weather trans women should compete with Men. Its a women's issue, not just a trans issue. I'm glad that doctor Mike pointed out that with all the empathy towards trans women, we also need to have empathy towards women.

@DevonIsAwake

27 күн бұрын

@@lexaharpell5823how many of us do you think there are?? And of that population, how many of us play sports? There just isn’t enough trans people out there to create our own category.

Don't think I've seen anyone in the online space tow the line between compassion and constructive inquiry/healthy scepticism as well as Dr. Mike did right here. It's rare to find someone who's an excellent interviewer, but rarer still someone that isn't dogmatic. Already had massive respect for him, but man that's difficult to do with a topic as divisive as this one. Well done.

@Allyfyn

Ай бұрын

I think so too; he's asked questions very well.

@Andrew-pf5fj

Ай бұрын

I do think he towed the line of respect and pushing on actual concerns the general population has (trans athletes, kids transitioning, etc) very well

@TC-by3il

Ай бұрын

@@Andrew-pf5fj Exactly. That's difficult to do with class.

@user-kt8dy7pc8n

27 күн бұрын

More importantly his interviewee wasn't the usual right wing promoted hack

I knew I was bisexual in middle school. But when I told a close friend and she told others who started publicly asking me in front of crowds of people when I barely understood it myself, it lead to a lot of denial and shame surrounding those feelings because I knew I’d be looked at as weird or made fun of for it. Still to this day I struggle with these feelings because of this experience.

@joshuakerola6864

Ай бұрын

Thank you for posting this comment!! This happened to me when I was in school, I was very confident and dressings very flamboyantly. And I told a few people I thought I could trust and then would constantly get publicly confronted about. And this happened a few months after I had the realization. Now all my clothes are very plain and I have become someone who struggles to accept myself and it makes it hard to connect with other queer people. (Edit) I know clothes don’t matter but that’s how I would express myself and it took that part of me away and I developed a lot of depression and anxiety and body dysmorphia because I didn’t look like the typical male.

@MorbiusBlueBalls

29 күн бұрын

​@@joshuakerola6864 it's very necessary to know what your friend's ideologies are before telling them about yourself. some of these people will forget everything you've done for them and try to actively ruin your life just because you're queer.

@loost68

29 күн бұрын

You should struggle. Choosing this filthy lifestyle must be punished

@hannahstraining7476

28 күн бұрын

Sigh. That "close friend" was no friend at all.

@No_name860

28 күн бұрын

😫

CBT is the most unfortunate abbreviation for Cognitive Behavioral Therapy.

@XshuShali

2 күн бұрын

IT REALLY IS! Because half the time I was like "are they saying cbd-wait no, cbt... WAIT NOT THAT KIND!" lol. I went to cbt for quite a while.

A friend of mine had their medication taken away recently in Florida. I’m trying my best to be there for them but I can see the decline, they went from smiling and giggling all the time to barely laughing at all within a few months, I can barely get them to talk anymore. It’s awful. I’ve already lost a trans friend and I don’t want to lose another. Support your trans friends, it’s a terrible time.

@MiraBoo

13 күн бұрын

That is terribly heartbreaking. I hope that your friend can get the care they need. And it’s good that you are there for them.

@confusedpenguin6933

13 күн бұрын

There are programs in various trans sanctuary states that can help your friend move before it's too late of they're interested. Minnesota has a program called OutFront that could be an invaluable resource for your friend. I don't know the names of any others, but with enough googling and the help of the trans risk assessment map by Erin in the Morning, you could definitely find more. There are ways to escape Florida and it's worth upending your entire life to feel safe and whole.

@womanbei

11 күн бұрын

That's horrible. 💔 I hope things change and I also want politicians and bigots to keep their bs out of healthcare for humans. People deserve to be who they are born to be. Much love to your friend!!!! And to you. 💚

@TheMattTrakker

11 күн бұрын

@@womanbei Artificially altering your body chemistry counts as how you're "born to be"? Are you 12? This is one of the stupidest comments I've read.

@xovix

11 күн бұрын

@@TheMattTrakkerread the room dude…

I love how Dr.Mike just sit there listen to the guest and then say his opinion when it necessary. Have open conversation about these things are very hard to do.

“You probably think about your gender identity when out in public” Mikes face: “no, I don’t remember ever doing that” lol

@KL-hr7rk

Ай бұрын

Well yeah cis men are like the least likely to ever need to think about that.

@StankyTheKlown

Ай бұрын

Well for most people in the world man or woman, male or female these are WHAT you are, not WHO you are.

@Sid_Personal_

Ай бұрын

@@KL-hr7rk”cIS mEn.” 🤡🤡🤡

@alexxs150697

Ай бұрын

@@StankyTheKlown yea, these sad excuses for humanity don't have more identity than what they are. probably because they never work and study and don't have any ambitions in life beyond simple pleasure... which is even a consciousness level lesser than animals which have a more serious task of surviving and keeping up their health.

@minecraftsteve2504

Ай бұрын

​@@KL-hr7rk 💀 Ok buddy

Dr Turban referring to David Reimer as “her” was a bit sad to hear, since David struggled with suicidal depression his whole life with being forcibly raised as a girl. Respectfully, we should refer to him as his rightful identity that he always felt despite the horror that was inflicted upon him.

@ryanthomas9306

23 күн бұрын

David also stated himself that he wasn’t a girl and was abused by his mom

@BigSplenda1885

22 күн бұрын

Sad but not surprising, given everything else this guy said and did in this interview

@zarbins

20 күн бұрын

@@BigSplenda1885 Agree with you 100%

@sageleaf8962

18 күн бұрын

@@BigSplenda1885? I think this interview shows just how accepting he is. He did seem to correct himself, so I assume it was just a mistake

@KitschKiss-pi8wp

12 күн бұрын

Pronouns belong to the speaker, not a person. We don't get to dictate how others view us. Nonetheless, I think there are times where itnis suitable to use the pronoun they'd prefer if we have a mutually respectful relationship

It's rough when you're treated as a political argument, not even a person, for being trans. Like mate, it's none of your business to question if it doesn't impact you in any way. Glad to see an actual medical expert looking into it. Dr. Mike is awesome.

@ghostfish771

12 күн бұрын

Okay mate, then don't force other people and reality to adapt to you. Feel absolutely free to wear whatever you want, and feel about yourself however you want, but then also allow other people to react to that how they want. Whether it's acceptance of it, or refusal. Can't act like a victim when you're the one being the aggressor when it comes to the topic.

@Optimistic_Nihilist_73

12 күн бұрын

@@ghostfish771 🤣guys look at this fool thinking a transphobic person is a victim my god how dumb can you get- "don't force people to adapt to you"- 🤣

@wheezel55

11 күн бұрын

​@@ghostfish771Trans people are killed and abused physically and verbally for being trans. No amount of self victimisation will make the same happen to cisgender people, which seems like something you all want considering the way you ACT persecuted. To call trans people the aggressors would be laughable if it wasn't so tone-deaf and far from the truth.

@robbu2445

6 күн бұрын

​​​​@@ghostfish771In order to function as a society, respect must be given to people and how they define their lives. You wouldn't just go around deliberately calling married people by their maiden names or using nicknames someone does not like unless you are trying to hurt them. This level of acceptance is the basic level of respect needed to interact with others as a member of society and denying this to trans people shows that you do not believe they are 'free' to exist within society. Being denied this basic level of respect does in fact make someone a victim and it is not aggressive to suggest that you refer to someone how they would like to be referred to. EDIT: Corrected spelling mistake 'with' to 'within'.

@komodololcraft8797

4 күн бұрын

​@@ghostfish771 The issue is that social interactions should change over time with our understanding of mental health, medicine, and research. Yes you can ignore and "not believe in" extra care for people on the spectrum or for people who have physical disabilities, but that does not mean that their issues disappear. If we all still kept the same beliefs from even 20 years ago on topics like depression, suicide, or anxiety, we wouldn't have made it through the pandemic and the social isolation coming with it. Listen to doctors, listen to research, and be a responsible and respectful person who can keep themselves informed without bullying people when they are just trying to exist, man. Be better. We all could use it. Also, how was this person an "aggressor" in the comment section? Did they mention you? You see, you quite literally became the very type of person you critiqued in your comment.

At all "concerned parents": As a father, I can only explain to my daughter her physical body and what it does. I can not explain to her, her feelings and how to feel. I can only provide a shoulder to lean on, when feelings get complicated and tell her, that feelings are complicated at times, but nobody has to be shameful of their feelings and nobody should treat another one bad on the basis of their feelings. So, chill out a little, when your child turns out to struggle with their sexuality. They will figure this out eventually and you just need to be at their side and provide a shoulder. And honestly, WHO CARES if you have a son, a daughter or non-binary child, this person is and WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR CHILD.

@borkingborker5567

Ай бұрын

Love this comment! ❤

@TheEnbyDragon

Ай бұрын

Thank you. I wish more parents had this take. Just love your kids, no matter who and what they are. That's the only way you get healthy, well-adjusted adults who will still speak to you after they turn 18. If you don't, you will lose your kids, in one way or another

@KrnDarcy

Ай бұрын

I love you stranger on the internet 🫰🏼✨

@ryanthomas9306

Ай бұрын

90 percent of kids naturally grow out of the phase 95-98 percent of kids who use blockers go on to use hormones suggesting the chemical dependent nature of the therapy

@xoskeleto

Ай бұрын

Well said I’m so glad there are some decent parents out there ❤❤❤ Anita uk

Such an important conversation, and I appreciate Doctor Mike not only having Dr. Turban on, but also 1.) Asking clarifying questions and not just smiling and nodding, and B.) Not asking leading questions. Each question asked felt extremely thoughtful not just of the subject at hand between two experts, but also to help layman listeners better understand gender identity in a way that maybe we didn't before. Really good and important episode!

@christinadodd5780

20 күн бұрын

I suggest watching "Gender-A Wider Lens" on KZread or listening to their podcast. A lot of great videos about this trans epidemic and what it's doing. People need to be informed of what's happening.

@zarbins

20 күн бұрын

Hopefully Dr. Mike will get other medical doctors, psychiatrists, and psychologists in this field that aren't as controversial and biased as Jack Turban.

@schizzzzz8912

19 күн бұрын

@@zarbinslol at “i dont agree with them so they are biased” maybe you are biased?

@zarbins

19 күн бұрын

@@schizzzzz8912 I agree with him in part and my point is that there are other Doctors and Psychiatrists in this field that don't fully endorse Jack's Turban's views . I hope Dr. Mike can include these voices in this important discussion as well.

@schizzzzz8912

19 күн бұрын

@@zarbins ok, from your wording or maybe my reading your first comment sounded like you were flaming him, my bad. yeah i agree with that.

I like how neither of you were afraid to ask questions about "sensitive" topics. It allowed the conversations to go smoothly and for both voices to be heard.

What should we do for the kid in front of us presenting with gender dysphoria? Well, there is one thing we absolutely should NOT do and that's allow legislators to make the decision. The government has absolutely no business forcing such an important medical decision onto families.

@ribbrascal

28 күн бұрын

Watch us.

@jonathon5075

24 күн бұрын

Yes. This is the land of the free after all, why would we want to let the government control us or anyone else??? Hurting kids is already a crime, and the idea that LGBT folks disproportionately hurt children is just not true at all. (I'm not responding to you commenter, just the general anti-trans sentiment)

@t.d.i8954

24 күн бұрын

@@ribbrascalwatch you do what?

@scrillion6

23 күн бұрын

@@hannahstraining7476 meanwhile mandated covid vaccine. If legislators, and presidents acting as legislators, decide many medical decisions and medical practices, why not in the arena of sex/gender medicalization?

@Life.is.hard.get.used.to.it.

23 күн бұрын

So, euthanasia should be legal?

Dr Mike I'm really enjoying these longer form podcast episodes. It's so much more meaningful and informative delving into the subject over a 2-3 hour episode rather than 30 mins. I hope you keep this format going!

@Demonetization_Symbol

Ай бұрын

Not everyone has the time to watch long form videos.

@artluver94c

Ай бұрын

​@Demonetization_Symbol Then watch/listen to it in sections? That is definitely a you problem.

@turk2336

Ай бұрын

@@Demonetization_Symbolthere are good sides to both - for nuanced health topics i prefer the long formats where there is more information provided and more discussions had vs a shorter summarized video

@Mochiii26

Ай бұрын

@@Demonetization_Symbolit’s not a video it’s a podcast. Podcast are generally longer, just don’t watch podcasts and you’ll be fine.

Doctor's Mike's hair looking fabulous here lol

@SabrinaL73

Ай бұрын

real

@sprinklednights

Ай бұрын

His hair looks like silk clouds. Straight up fire!

@BuckinArtsy

Ай бұрын

Right!😂 I wanna touch it.🤣

@strangeaslife

Ай бұрын

It truly is. It always does but today's hair is just 🎉 I was thinking the same thing just before I read your comment 😂

@infiresnation7430

Ай бұрын

Omg his hair is giving Barbie doll vibes

im a gen z, 23 year old trans masc person (nonbinary), ive gotten top surgery and im on HRT, and the social contagion argument is used against me.... i didnt even know trans people existed until caitlyn jenner (WOAT), and then i started searching on youtube, found out about sam collins, and related to almost everything he spoke about struggling with. before that, i was obsessed with tarzan as a kid and i wanted to be tarzan. i hated having boobs and puberty was especially nightmarish because of that. i literally had so much gender envy toward guys for having flat chests, the clothes they wore, being able to run around shirtless, bigger muscles, short haircuts, etc. my whole childhood! i felt this way before i knew it was possible to transition! so it really bothers me because i know so many trans people who get so much hate -- and this argument is used against so many of us and the transphobes wont listen to us when we say we have always felt this way -- or theres always been signs. they just dont believe it.

@grell5108

12 күн бұрын

Yes! I remember being upset at my parents when I was seven because I thought I was officially too old to have my parents die by leopard and be raised by gorillas and get a 10 pack😂.

@TheBuildTeam

9 күн бұрын

Transmasc, but nonbinary. Just accept the he/him already tf?

@xaldynnemo47

6 күн бұрын

The "social contagion" thing is just an excuse, the people who espouse it KNOW that it's hogwash, they just use it to feel better about themselves and rationalize the cognitive dissonance of their bigoted opinions. They DO believe stories like yours, they just wish stories like yours didn't exist and that's why they'll try and do everything they can to hide that information to make it harder for future trans people to discover themselves. It's the same reason most of those same people are trying so vehemently to stop history classes from teaching about slavery.

@Shmethan

19 сағат бұрын

​@@grell5108hahaha i did not realize Tarzan was that big of a role model. Did you ever watch George of the jungle as a kid?

@grell5108

18 сағат бұрын

@@Shmethan no, but I've heard of it

I'm sorry. But from what i heard Dr. Jack Turban was really great at now answering fairly simple questions by answering another and when it came to the topic of sports... i'm sorry, but what in the world are you on about? It's obvious that this guy is more interested in being "right" then having a discussion and whenever Dr Mike challenged something he just answered with "oh i've never heard anything about that" or "I've read that and it felt sketchy". Dr Mike was amazing and calm as a cucumber and asked very important questions and kept the talk respectful which is always important if you want to uncover truths.

@Arachdrakon

29 күн бұрын

Imagine saying “Oh, I’ve never heard anything about time dilation, and I’ve read about this quantum computing and it felt sketchy”.

@cubsfanman-nx6pg

16 күн бұрын

Yeah seriously I was amazed that Dr mike wasn't like freaking out because I would've been pissed. Dr mike just pointed out why a girl would feel like the girl who used to be a guy had an advantage over her and then turban would say, "well trans women aren't completely dominating everything so this isn't true." You said it yourself that trans people already have a bunch of obstacles so even if they had this unfair advantage it'd make sense why they're not dominating everything because they have to deal with so much And even if they have to deal with so much that shouldn't mean that they can have an unfair advantage. Like lets say in mens sports itd be like if you let people take steroids but only if they were gay and had a single parent household. Like yes they have to struggle to get here but you shouldn't give them this unfair advantage even if it "balances it out"

@Yarnagan

Күн бұрын

I was thinking that discussion in particular was the only one that felt like both sides were talking to a brick wall. And using "if trans women are just better why don't they dominate everything" as an excuse is so lame. Like, with all the discussion going on over allowing them to compete, I could not imagine stepping up and being like yes I want everyone in the world to discuss me and my gender identity that I've struggled with for years and I want them all to scrutinize me and try to find ways in which I am not what I believe I am. He even brought up the example of the two trans track girls who both stopped competing because of this very reason. So using that as your main point of evidence on why trans women do not have an advantage over cis women is such a weak argument. Talk about actual scientific reasons why trans women don't have an advantage over cis women and I'm here to listen, but your anecdotal "if they were better they'd always win" is no better than the other side's anecdotal "clearly there's a difference because trans men aren't an issue". These are not facts.

I love how Dr. Mike is just asking questions without giving his opinion. That’s a hard thing to do.

@JaneyDoe-gx2vb

27 күн бұрын

Yeah he’s just laying back and letting the thinly veiled activist spew his propaganda. Classic.

@trip7002

17 күн бұрын

@@JaneyDoe-gx2vbpropaganda ≠ someone literally CALLING OUT propaganda ☠️😂

@whathappenedtomyyoutubehandle

15 күн бұрын

​@@trip7002 Ikr people don't even know the definition of propaganda anymore🥲 ironically a result of the long standing tradition of the US government basing its entire education system on propaganda

@ArchxKn1ght

15 күн бұрын

He is kinda just giving a platform for the guy to speak, no questions being asked by him to even slightly challenge his fellow doctors view points. A lot of the feelings speech or saying we don't know just puts it all in a Grey area for me personally.

@DubberssMcgee

14 күн бұрын

@@ArchxKn1ght You are absolutely delusional he is absolutely playing devils advocate like he does with all of his guests. You probably just want to watch podcast where people bash trans people almost certainly because you are just a bigot.

Dear Dr. Mike I mean you truely are an astute and perceptive podcaster. The way you bring nuance to any topic is just amazing. Till now I had only seen this topic being discussed politically at large. Not so much medically unless it's gender affirming surgeries or trauma. I didn't know the gender discussion could have so much depth. So much support to you 💪

@Dekubud

Ай бұрын

If you're interested to explore the many facets of gender more, especially on a philosophical standpoint (but still considering science) I highly recommend watching Contrapoints or DemonMama videos. I think the both of them bring a lot of interesting points about gender and I think they tend to be very fair and considerate of how misogyny and toxic masculinity play into gender presentation and the trans community.

I found this to be a very helpful and thorough conversation- something that I find to be rare these days. It coincided with a visit of my niece who is transgender and who recently graduated from high school. She has been blessed with two very supportive parents. I can’t imagine how transgender people without supportive families navigate their respective journeys. I intend to listen through a second time and read Dr Turban’s book as well.

Regarding the connection between gender dysphoria and autism: Dr. Turban approaches the subject with a healthy dose of skepticism here (which I think is always good in science), but there are some interesting findings from those studies that he doesn't touch on in this episode. If anyone is still curious about that particular subject, Dr. K from Healthy Gamers (one of Mike's previous guests) has a great video called "Are Autism and Gender Identity Connected?" where he looks at these studies in more detail, and explores some of the theories as to why autism and gender dysphoria might co-occur. It was a very informative watch and I highly recommend it.

DR MIKE IS EXACTLY THE DOCTOR THAT NEEDED TO COVER THIS..... HE HITZ THE NAIL ON THE FREAKING HEAD!!!!!!

@stringX90

Ай бұрын

What nail did he hit?

@tilly704

Ай бұрын

@@stringX90asking the same, at the end talking about sport start calling tran woman man, is like wtf!, and trying to legitimise the Cas review that was politically mandated, and didn’t include the most relevant research on the issue.

@tippedjelly9147

Ай бұрын

@@tilly704 but trans women are a category of men. By the definition of women, we cannot say trans women are categories of women so him referring to trans women as men, was probably to help him get his point across and be clear on who he's talking about.

@jonathan_8100

Ай бұрын

Because he agrees with you?

@naryainc

29 күн бұрын

@@tilly704 The cas review was legit. Wake up already.

I already know this comment section is gonna be wild...

@Ann25429

Ай бұрын

FR

@FemboyKaiSaku

Ай бұрын

something tells me it will be fine for now but in a week it will be so divided

@IranOutofUserNames11

Ай бұрын

@@FemboyKaiSakuyeah I agree. Most people are reasonable and that’s what’ll show early on. Unreasonable outrage will probably surface later but hopefully doesn’t gain any traction

@mxstrikk

Ай бұрын

​@@FemboyKaiSakuNo but like honestly tho. Like, in the beginning it will be level-headed respectful conversations. But as soon as just one transphobe shares/comments without actually watching the video, chaos will break loose. (Trans pride btw 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈)

@brentjones905

Ай бұрын

Just make sure you use transphobe for rhose who hate them specifically for being trans, and not those who are disgusted, or disagree with their choices. ​@mxstrikk

Okay. So I think I came up with a solution. My niece is in wrestling. She wrestles against boys and girls and has beaten both. She's one of the top wrestlers in Georgia. Anyway... Why don't they just start separating them into leagues based by weight class like they do in wrestling? Your CIS or trans gender wouldn't matter as it's based on weight, which gives a fair advantage to both sides. You also wouldn't have to call out your birth gender, because it wouldn't matter.

@katyamcadams

25 күн бұрын

This is exactly what studies point to. Strength, power and aerobic capacity of transgender athletes: a cross-sectional study, is categorized by weight/height, and proves that trans women have a disadvantage in everything other than grip strength.

@robertmarshall2502

24 күн бұрын

​@@katyamcadams No. This is stupid. Males literally have different skulls that can take punches women can't. Was your study the one that compared fat males to women in the top 10% or is it a different purposefully false study?

@staceygram5555

21 күн бұрын

Because men/boys dominate women/girls at the same weight. Remove the gender division and you can wave goodbye to women in sports.

@staceygram5555

21 күн бұрын

Because women don't stand a chance against men.

@staceygram5555

21 күн бұрын

Remove gender division and there will be no more women in sports.

DID ANYONE notice how fresh Docter mikes hair is looking

Just 3 mins in, "why is the word normal harsh?" Can't let go of the thought

@hellwombat

Ай бұрын

Wasn't it the word "norm" those are somewhat different

@dariusdixon2189

Ай бұрын

A lot of people are used to “normal” being connotatively linked to good and being outside of normal as inherently bad. Some kids shows from my childhood had bullies who would pick on kids who were kinda quirky and were told they weren’t normal in a clearly negative tone. Whenever a lot of people who think homosexuality is a sin say that gay people aren’t normal, it is very evident that that is meant in a negative tone. Normal is often a loaded word whenever we start talking about people, and that’s why people who work all sorts of different people try to avoid its use.

@jennifers550

Ай бұрын

​@@dariusdixon2189I was also coming in to say that. In a purely academic sense norms or averages are fine. In a social sense norms are often divisive. You aren't like us leading to stigmas and ostracization. It is fine as far as it goes generally but definitely have to pay attention to the tone and context.

@coolMan-ln8gl

Ай бұрын

Being normal is really rare. In individual parts of an identity (such as gender identity) most people when identify with a primary group. But because identity is such a large swath of topics being abnormal in a certain way is very common. Thus people shouldn't feel shame for being different, hints why pointing out normalities problems is important.

@injunsun

Ай бұрын

Yeah, that needed to be addressed a bit more. Being normal implies anything else is abnormal, hence wrong. Being **ordinary** removes the stigma. "Ordinarily, people identify with the gender their bio sex indicates, and are opposite-sex attracted, but sometimes, people are not in those categories." That sounds better than, "Normal people identify as their bio sex, and like the opposite sex. Abnormal people don't." I'd rather be "extraordinary," versus "abnormal."

Pathologizing is not the same as stigmatizing. We can be precise in our language!

@kozmo_gameplays

Ай бұрын

I’m trans and studying psychology and I totally agree!

@TheNashBurger

Ай бұрын

Their point was that pathologising leads to stigma. It's great to be precise as medical experts. But as Dr. Mike said, that language is then used colloquially, becoming imprecise. For example, as they mentioned in this discussion, people calling transgender people mentally ill.

@thamle5425

Ай бұрын

@@TheNashBurgerstigma will always exist but pathologizing is important for diagnosis. Everything has stigma, you just gotta learn to live with it. At the end of the day there are harder challenges than stigma. I don’t think making things inaccurate by not pathologizing will end the stigma. It’s up to the people to advocate against it. And nobody is stigmatizing the lgbt community because of a psychology book, most people don’t know what the dsm is. It’s the bad apples in the lgbt community that’s making people stigmatize them. If you actually want to change stigma then go address those bad apples in the community not by de pathologizing.

@theclinger

Ай бұрын

@@thamle5425 "And nobody is stigmatizing the lgbt community because of a psychology book" Outright false. One of the contributors to the dsm is one of the most cited people by people stigmatizing trans people.

@whonikkikki

Ай бұрын

@@thamle5425 did you even watch the interview? Stigma often ties itself in with gender dysphoria causing more issues. Addressing the "bad apples" has historically, done nothing.

23:48 I’ve always personally disliked the idea of gender identity being conflated with what things are seen as “masculine” or “feminine” by society. I feel like the better move by society would be to stop gendering things so strongly. Calling yourself nonbinary because you were AFAB but don’t like fashion, makeup, pink, cooking, etc. just further engrains the idea that such things are “feminine” and thus are innately tied to identifying yourself as a woman. Doesn’t that just reinforce sexism?

@katherinemoore3823

27 күн бұрын

Yes, it literally does, which is why this kind of thinking pisses some of us off so much! Nonbinary is pure fantasy. Gender basically just means style at this point.

@camerahkay127

26 күн бұрын

Yes

@ohkaypoh

26 күн бұрын

well it depends, does that person only identify as nonbinary for those reasons, or (more likely) is it a deeper and more complex relationship with their innate gender? this is what the exploratory therapy that the guest talks about is for, to discover the reasons behind how you are feeling

@housey_

21 күн бұрын

@@ohkaypoh That's only worth anything if there is some valuable meaning to be found, is there any proposed deep meaning why someone would identify as non-binary and if it somehow exists but can't be explained what is exploration really going to achieve?

@gabrielgray2345

13 күн бұрын

​@housey_ it achives personal satisfaction. Especially for people who don't feel connected to the gender binary and want to break away from it. That's anti sexist in alot of ways cause they don't WANT to gender their traits. They just want to live as a human being

I appreciate Dr. Mike asking questions that a lot of us might have but have never gotten a good answer to. I appreciate Dr. Turban answering them with expertise and not getting offended at them. I often struggle to find answers to these types of questions without facing judgment for asking them in the first place.

As a scientist I can say, that even if we do trust our fellow scientists with not ascribing negativity to various technical terms, we still do have a responsibility to society to communicate effectively beyond the purely technical aspects of our work. On one hand we can't do much if someone delves into our research, published for scientists, without the prerequisite training and misunderstands it... but at the very least we can choose our words carefully in public fora.

@itsyagirljessssss

29 күн бұрын

Especially for topics as divisive and politically charged. And especially when it could lead to even more danger to these people who are already having to live in fear every day.

@jonathanstone4878

23 күн бұрын

I tried to do a research project in college on trans treatment outcomes and was dissuaded by my professor advisor that they didn’t believe that would be in the best interest of the university. Chilling effect.

@FoxiestLia

21 күн бұрын

@@jonathanstone4878it’s a very delicate subject and if handled poorly can cause a massive backlash. With that said, I think the University instead should’ve been keen to inform you about the risks and consequences of doing it poorly instead of convincing you to not do it. But I digress. Sounds kind of scary to think about important subjects being suppressed in society.

@christinadodd5780

20 күн бұрын

I suggest watching "Gender-A Wider Lens" on KZread or listening to their podcast. A lot of great videos about this trans epidemic and what it's doing. People need to be informed of what's happening.

@jonathanstone4878

20 күн бұрын

@@FoxiestLia They did explain, off the record later. They were afraid of drawing negative attention. Aka "Chilling Effect". Controversy in Uni can lead to a loss of funding. My paper and proposal won out over hundreds of applicants and earned me an award. The institutional review board asked me to resubmit. I went with anorexia instead. It was enough to graduate, but I would have liked a higher status pub.

As a religious teenager, this video has been more than eye-opening. I truly wish some of my friends who are going through or have gone through this would explain it like y'all have. I am an open-minded man who believes in a higher power, but also a choice. We were given free will for a reason. Thank you for this. I hope more people find this and are open to change as I am!

@darkaquatus

Ай бұрын

True. We aren't the ones who are supposed to judge those who decide not to live through God's commands and moral principles. People have the freedom to choose whether they want to or not. And although we do have an obligation to warn people about the consequences of their choices, we should respect them either way.

@sambored9387

Ай бұрын

@@darkaquatus and also I believe that trans people do live through god's command but that is a freedom of opinion, it's okay if you dont think so, to be honest I dont really care, but I do care when peoeple vote so that I dont have the right to live like I want to, the way that I am happy. If it doesn't activly harm others than why make it illegal?

@holdenthighe8161

Ай бұрын

if you would read the bible in depth, free will does not exist. its predestination which means its not puppeteer strings attached. God predestined before time, which is why you feel like you have control in the moment but he knows every move you make before you make it.

@firstname7470

Ай бұрын

@@darkaquatus And yet, there you are judging. How do you know this is not God's command? Do you know His every thought? Did He put you in command to judge all of His creations? Have you read the Bible? There is nothing in it that addresses gender identity. You do not have an obligation, moral or otherwise, to "warn" people, which is really translation for "you must always agree with me because I am right and you are not." Listen to all of this video. This is exactly what Dr Turban was addressing in the segment of external conflicts from other people. People do not have any rights to interfere in other people's lives and make it Hell for them to be happy.

@darkaquatus

Ай бұрын

@@firstname7470 I'm not sure why you're making this political, because I never mentioned any of that. sambored9387 did the exact same thing, which is weird to me. There's more to life than politics, you know? As a Christian who's not supposed to be of this world you should know this. Anyway, I'm not sure what you're accusing me of. I am not judging anyone. I am judging certain actions, though. Again, this is a core Christian principle. You must be aware of this. So why aren't you instead being specific? What do you believe to be part of "God's command", which you believe I disagree with?

I have never met a trans woman who didn't wish they transitioned earlier, who didn't wish that someone had had a conversation about gender and transgender people. I never got that and I feel as if I was cheated of a better adolescence and childhood.

@Coolio_Ash

13 күн бұрын

Hrt is very important to feel towards your preferred gender. Having testosterone as your primary sex hormone makes you feel completely different than having estrogen as your primary sex hormone.

@ambientjohnny

13 күн бұрын

@@Coolio_Ash Refusing to accept the reality you were born into, is never going to result in actual happiness.

@jadojollyboat1302

11 күн бұрын

​@@ambientjohnny but like, changing things statistically does help trans people

@Tyekiller115

6 күн бұрын

@@ambientjohnnywhat reality

@xaldynnemo47

6 күн бұрын

@@ambientjohnny "...So sayeth I, the One True Arbiter of whether or not complete strangers who say they're happy are ACTUALLY happy!" 🤡

What I find interesting about this discussion is the perspective from the medical professionals and the language used. Not unlike when a doctor says your tests look "unremarkable", meaning nothing bad showed up on your test results. People can misunderstand words when they are used by different people or professionals. Conversations are so important to understand each other, hence the importance of diagnosing and evaluating each patient/person. An enjoyable interview/discussion and great lesson in communication and listening, well done Doctor Mike!

This video was extremely important for me. For someone who supports trans people to be who they are, cuz at the end of the day it doesn’t impact me, but I have always been uncomfortable with the topic because of how society treats it. I’m an engineer and scientist by trade so I have always struggled finding resources to help me better understand all of this from a CIVIL, OBJECTIVE CONVERSATION. Thanks for doing this Dr Mike.

@nikobellic570

Ай бұрын

A scientist that thinks a person's feelings take precedence over their biology.

@parkourchinx7978

Ай бұрын

@@nikobellic570 My guy the video explains in the first 20 minutes the difference between sex (biology) and gender within the first 20 minutes.

@arcticyeti1

Ай бұрын

@@nikobellic570 by that logic, suicidal people biologically feeling like they want to kill themselves should go kill themselves, because their feelings shouldn't take precedence over their biology, what kind of logic is that?

@De_Selby

Ай бұрын

​@@parkourchinx7978 aside from that, we could relate gender to biology, neurology specifically, and trans people's brain seem to share qualities with the gender they identify with. So like, hey, even biologically speaking being trans is valid.

@LizzieLovesIt106

29 күн бұрын

​@@nikobellic570aren't our feelings part of our biology? Saying that is like saying the mind isn't part of the body... Which it is, of course.

One thing that's so important, especially when you're involved in activism, is to seek out information which disconfirms your beliefs. When you're passionate about a subject, you're much more likely to have blindspots like confirmation bias and in-group bias. You may actively cherry-pick data which supports your beliefs and criticize data which doesn't. Science is a valuable tool, but as history shows it can easily be misused by people who want to make up their own truths. And for those who are concerned, Doctor Mike does ask some challenging questions to the interviewee in this podcast. 🙌

@RunBayou

Ай бұрын

So many people are passionate but also unserious

@evanr5871

Ай бұрын

@@RunBayou You fit that bill tbh, seeing your comments

@Saturnius

Ай бұрын

@@evanr5871 And you seem like a stalker so not much better there.

@zybch

Ай бұрын

Activists will never do this because they know they will find so much counter info that utterly disproves their 'beliefs'. They have found a wonderful way to express their personal desire/need to be antagonistic, and will NEVER stop because it empowers them.

@pacifistminigun3987

Ай бұрын

I'll keep this in mind 👍

HUGE respect towards you two for talking about this topic and making information like this more easily available for people, and not just that but also talking about it so respectfully, too. Asking questions when you don't fully understand, making sure you use correct terminology, and really not masking anything or downplaying anything. As a member of the trans community, you are now my favorite online doctors.

The sports discussion was hard to watch. There was a lot of deflection and non-answers.

@cowmath77

29 күн бұрын

Jack comes across as someone who has made up their mind before seeing actual evidence. Every point he has deflects all the evidence of other people as “political pseudo science” but he somehow contains all the “legitimate evidence.” This is exactly the kind of thinking I DO NOT want my doctor to posses.

@elirantuil5003

29 күн бұрын

@cowmath77 he just focused on the individual's emotional aspect, deflected to pre puberty transitions and blamed people who disagree with him of being political. "We don't have evidence that trans woman are better at sports than Cis woman" that's a complete non argument when you have the tools and test subjects to test bone density etc.

@cowmath77

29 күн бұрын

@@elirantuil5003 right, he came across as an actual insane person. “The data doesn’t support trans people win in sports,” while he ignores the “data” of men being bigger and stronger than women for all of history… it’s exhausting. He has clearly never played a sport on his life…

@TERFStomper

29 күн бұрын

I'm trans (he/him) (though, of course, I don't speak for all trans people), but I wish our side would stop pushing for trans women in sports. The truth is, there isn't enough data regarding fairness one way or the other, simply because there aren't enough trans athletes to enable the sufficient collection of said data. Fewer than 200 trans athletes nationwide are competing at a level where fairness really matters. Ideally, the issue needs to be decided on a case by case basis by the relevant sports leagues/orgnaiztions.The International Olympic Committee has dealt with similar issues for a long time, particularly with intersex women and cis women whose bodies naturally produce higher than average levels of testosterone. Any time you try to divide male and female into neat little boxes, you're going to have problems because nature doesn't work that way. Conservatives love to bring this issue up because it's an easy one to sway people on and most people lack the knowledge to give it a nuanced discussion. Our side has failed to come up with a compelling argument, so it always goes something like "It isn't fair for cis women" vs. "Imagine how trans women feel." The fairness argument always wins for obvious reasons. We should focus our energies on more important issues, like gender-affirming healthcare and safe restroom access.

@NeonJ1

29 күн бұрын

@@cowmath77Same, I 100% believe he has trans kids and their happiness at the for front of his mind, but I think the trans debate in sports needs to come from a non-empathetic place. He should be looking at the issue from a competitive and fairness perspective.

"does the fact that stygma exists mean that we shouldnt call it a pathology?" perfect, Dr. Mike

@disembark

Ай бұрын

exactly

@Miriam-nb9sh

Ай бұрын

@@user-ft7lv6it8n I was answered incredibly well, maybe you didnt fully understand it?

@Miriam-nb9sh

Ай бұрын

@@user-ft7lv6it8n Okey I see. I personally did have a few issues with the interview, but most comes from the fact that this topic is so loaded people arent really free to talk anymore. Everyone has to be incredibly carefull which limits a good discussion. This goes both ways, both sides get attacked very fast and easily. I think he awnsered most stuff really good, but its very noticable that he is very carefull through out thhe interviewed. Most obvious was the part about sports. While what he says is mostly true, he really didnt want to touch the problems that certainly exist there. But I dont think its was because he wouldnt agree or wants to push something, it really seemed just too hot of a topic.

@user-ft7lv6it8n

Ай бұрын

@@Miriam-nb9sh man I just posted a nice long comment and it didn't come through. This comment section is broken :/

@Miriam-nb9sh

Ай бұрын

@@user-ft7lv6it8n I think it shows for me. I aggree mostly but would hhave two questions. Do you think its possible that for example puberty blockers didnt get touch to deeply for the sake of simplicity? In education it can be really difficult to choose the right level of complexity. Making that decision on the spot is even more difficult. He might saw more value in what said than what you expected. Im very confident that when you go to a doctor whho actually prescribes these meds they will talk and inform you about everything. In case of detransitioners I think he jumped the opportunity to say something that I have never heard before. I dont have an opinion on it yet, Im still thinking about it. He is essentially challenging the numbers, by looking at them in a more complex way. "not everyone who stops medication is detransitiong" but in statistics they are listed as that. The other thing is that I think this is soooo incredibly individual. It differs from person to person, where they live and even in what decade they transitioned. There are detransioners who openly say they have lied to their doctors to get what they want. Or they thought this is what is expected of them. 20 years ago alot of trans people went for surgery whitout actually wanting it. Because if they openly said they dont want it they might not get any other treatment they wanted or needed. PS: Im from europe too, so the USA and england is a bit difficult for me. I dont even understand thheir political system.

Thank you for this, Dr. Mike. I’m a pre-medical student trying to navigate these issues in university, and I’ve been struggling about how to navigate social/political correctness with science and what I understand. It’s great to watch you, a doctor, tackle this problem directly. Thank you.

@cyclea2404

29 күн бұрын

Hi! I'm a trans pre-medical student and I understand that navigating these issues can be a little precarious as an outsider. The best pieces of advice I can give are to read (there are lots of wonderful articles on pubmed on the science/medicine of gender identity) and to *try* talk to trans people. We are an unfathomably diverse community and our stories are as complex as the human experience itself. Be curious, open minded, and don't be afraid to ask questions (within reason) a lot of us love to talk about how we navigate gender.

@maryanntownsend2889

29 күн бұрын

Lots to digest. Thank you to two caring professionals👍🏾

@JaneyDoe-gx2vb

27 күн бұрын

If you’re studying hard sciences, remember this. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

@IIITheDeadGamerIII

25 күн бұрын

@@JaneyDoe-gx2vb You're just wrong. Your feelings bias you, even in hard science. Stop with this bullshit. To VictoriaDonerty - If you're really curious about trans people from a learning perspective (which the majority of us are willing to engage with in good-faith conversations) you shouldn't ever be concerned with asking trans people questions to try to understand. Most of us do experience people just trying to berate and hate us so we might be cautious at first. Just as Cyclea stated. Ask us! Don't infer for us!

@robertmarshall2502

24 күн бұрын

Read the best quality evidence. This unfortunately excludes everything Turban has ever written. However, if you look at the data which he manipulates to his own conclusions you'll quickly see for example most girls identify as trans due to pubertal difficulties, most males are adults and the old standard of young gay boys is now third. Read the systematic reviews of evidence (Cass Review, Finland, Sweden etc.) and the longitudinal studies. Read both the absolute madness that is Wpath direct from them (eunuchs, non-verbal autistic child transition, non-binary experiments, transitioning ppl with "alters" with multiple genders) and the Wpath files where everything they say publicly is rubbish.

This is my first time showing up to one of these and I didn't mean to sit through the whole video, I had stuff to do! But here I am, I sat through it and I'm better for it. What a great conversation, what an excellent piece of discussion.

Gender-neutral bathrooms are also incredibly easy to achieve, it's not like people are sititng there all next to eachother in a big room; stalls exist. We've had gender neutral bathrooms on trains and planes forever now.

@robertmarshall2502

24 күн бұрын

They also are statistically worse for women and children. Calling single cubicles on trains that is a bit misleading.

@tonapittman

21 күн бұрын

Don't forget the gender neutral bathrooms _in people's own houses_ !

@housey_

21 күн бұрын

We can consider the mens room as a gender neutral bathroom for trans women that just happens to only have men in

@robertmarshall2502

21 күн бұрын

@@tonapittman It's almost like we had single-sex female spaces in public spaces because we didn't need them privately. Although apparently you let anyone in off the street use your bathroom.

@tonapittman

21 күн бұрын

​@@robertmarshall2502 Funnily enough, I have! Some door salesman really needed to go. 😹

I think what got missed in the comparison between fraternal and identical twins vs siblings and identical twins. The comparison using fraternal twins allows for the sharing of the womb at the same time. In the case that some incidence of GID or Gender Dysphoria might be affected by hormonal conditions in the womb rather than genetically predisposed, this might make the twin comparisons more definitive than just comparisons of siblings.

@theyxaj

Ай бұрын

It also means that the parent's parenting methods are likely to be more similar between both kids, since they have the same knowledge for both kids at the same age. Whereas if one kid is (for example) three years older, perspective and knowledge and life factors will mean parenting is more different between children (ofc, parenting can still be different between twins, but there are less factors acting on it)

@graceannhansen

Ай бұрын

That would maybe be a control for “nature vs nurture”. But, given my own history, I know that I hid being trans from my parents because of the vitriol my father expressed about “freaks”. I don’t believe that a parent can influence being trans, but they can definitely influence whether or not you can trust them with knowing you are trans.

@Eli-zx2rg

Ай бұрын

And also, the difference in age might be a factor. Like first born vs second born children often being treated differently

@amazinggrapes3045

Ай бұрын

Something I never hear about is adoption studies. If people are raised by someone they're not related to how does that change outcome chances? It seems like scientists are so quick to say that something must have a genetic component because it runs in families. Well genes run in families, but so do learned behaviors, especially with shared environments!

@drewmungus5841

Ай бұрын

I think this is a good point to consider! I remember reading that youngest children are more likely to be queer because of hormone washes in the womb, or at least it was a theory, but I'm not sure what the current science says on that. My take was that this is supposed to measure genetics vs early life conditioning. People have the same question about turning out gay: is it nature or nurture? Well, twins live almost the same lives day by day since they're the same age, bunk together and will go almost everywhere together for their earliest years. For other kinds of siblings, age difference and pecking order play a huge role in difference in upbringing. The only additional thing I'd account for is male/female fraternal twins because they certainly will be treated differently by their parents even during those early years

I want to thank your editor for taking the time and investing in really good subtitles. I listened while cooking, and sometimes could not hear well over the sound of the fan. These subtitles are so clear! Thank you. Very much.

Im going to have to watch this again as I cant possibly absorb all of this amazing information in one sitting. This interview really helped to challenge my views on transgender people. There were a lot of assumptions I had about gender identity that were flat out wrong or right wing propaganda. Thank you Doctor Mike and Dr Turban for this amazing interview!

@bobthebox2993

8 күн бұрын

It's always nice seeing someone be open to new information. There was a time where I had also been swept away in right-wing propaganda and misinformation about trans people. It's disheartening to see so many people hate on the trans community mainly based off of misinformation, but I also understand how one ends up with such views, after all, I've been there myself.

Does anyone have a list of all the researchers and papers mentioned in the video?

Confession: Sometimes, I watch episodes of _The Checkup_ at 1.5x or even 2x speed. I watched this one in spurts over four days at regular speed because the topic is so important. I appreciate you taking the time to cover such a complex topic. ❤

@jonathanstone4878

23 күн бұрын

Perfectly normal. That’s how I listened to college lectures and online tutorials:)

@cubsfanman-nx6pg

16 күн бұрын

I listen to every video at 2x speed.

You could feel how Dr. Mike, as a sports/combat sports practitioner himself who knows how much going through male puberty gives you massive phisical advantages compared to females, tried to hold it together and keep it as cool and as civilized as possible when they disagreed regarding sports and combat sports. Props for Dr Mike for this interview. I learned a lot :)

@babs_babs

Ай бұрын

honestly, knowing a bunch of trans women irl, it’s really dumb to me that they’re kept out of sports. their strength plummets once they transition. people keep saying they have an unfair advantage but none of the trans ladies i know have anything close to an advantage. why should they be banned from sports?

@laurav6670

Ай бұрын

@@babs_babs It's not that they should be banned from sports. It's that they should have their own category just like men have theirs, women have theirs, and the Paralympics have theirs. Trans people should also have their own, and there is nothing wrong with it.

@ladydarkness9642

Ай бұрын

@@laurav6670 Do you even know how few trans athletes there are? It's even briefly talked about in the video about legislation that was vetoed because it targeted FOUR transgender students in the entire state-only one of which was a trans girl. There simply aren't enough trans athletes even if you put trans women and men in the same category, much less separate ones. What you're suggesting is essentially that trans people shouldn't be able to compete.

@johnred4888

Ай бұрын

You have to think of the long term as well. It could very well be that trans people dont compete because its not accepted by society yet. Say in 10 years it does become acceptable and trans women do compete more and then we see an obvious trend of trans women beating cis women, what do you do then? This is especially important when it comes to the Olympics where the best of the best compete against each other. ​@@ladydarkness9642

@sandygonsalves4646

Ай бұрын

​@@ladydarkness9642 then they should compete based on the status of the biology and how their body is performing. I do agree that SOME trans girls (particularly ones who had puberty blockers) should be fine competing with the women...but if you have a Lea Thomas. Than no.

"If the bullying become chronic"... "but if it is acute" is such a nerdy way for Mike to express it. I have the same problem when I use jargon from my field to express everyday things to the amusement of my friends. This made me laugh out loud, and I know bullying is never fun, but this just got to me.

Anyone else listened to this video like a podcast? I swear the discussion was just so good to listen to in the background while I was working/gaming.

I think it's just something that is so difficult for people who don't experience it to even imagine it, let alone relate to the experience. So with alot of stuff like that, people just tend to write it off as hoopla and conjure up a motive in their head.

@nobody.of.importance

Ай бұрын

I often tell people it's basically like being left handed. I don't know why I'm left handed, and I've tried writing with my right hand and just can't. It's not something I chose, it's just how it is.

@Digger-Nick

Ай бұрын

@@nobody.of.importance Dexterous preference has nothing to do with being mentally ill...

@Digger-Nick

Ай бұрын

If someone thinks they are fat despite being 90lbs, it's the same thing. Of course you write it off and tell the person they are insane and to get help

@ryanthomas9306

Ай бұрын

@@nobody.of.importanceimagine someone using left/ right handedness to prove pedophilia is normal lol

@Jelloz104

Ай бұрын

​@@Digger-Nickgosh, if only you were around to tell folks that 50 years ago, when they would beat kids for using their left hand.

It’s not often you see cisgender doctors willing to sit down and listen when it comes to trans health care. This is great to see. Thank you, Dr. Mike.

@Arthera0

Ай бұрын

this statement is funny to me as transgender these days means anyone who doesnt want to be called cisgender.

@SwordTune

Ай бұрын

I know cis gender doctors who treat trans people all the time. It's not that unusual, it's just the power of listening and understanding. And also having years of medical experience.

@wendylee9255

Ай бұрын

Cisgender=Reality. Transgender=Fantasy You cannot change your genetics. You are who you are.

@floo1465

Ай бұрын

@@Arthera0 yeah?

@flippyn1

Ай бұрын

I doubt labeling people as cis will stick. It's been used as an insult by trans community too much. They want to be called "xyz", but they call other something they don't want to. Doesn't work very Well for the cause

Tbh I just think of being trans as being intersex for the brain. There have been many neurological studies that trans brains are more congruent with the dimorphisms that they identify with as opposed to what they were assigned at birth. That in my mind disambiguates the concept of identity and makes it more that everyone is born with different brain anatomy due to different possible hormone exposures before birth or chimera-isms or whatever else than seeing things purely as emorphous identification. So we should trust people’s self identification as they themselves tend to know best, but it’s also that gender dysphoria is more of a symptom of a deeper underlying difference which is just as real as maybe a more externally obvious form of an intersex condition.

@FlamingAnimation

21 күн бұрын

Those studies haven't controlled for homo- or heterosexuality of the trans individuals.

@mattcolins9264

13 күн бұрын

This isn’t entirely accurate. Studies have shown *some* shift in certain areas of transwomen- BUT these same shifts are seen in cis gay men. And I haven’t seen any studies of trans ‘lesbians’ showing this shift. TLDR; it appears the ‘difference’ in brain scans is the result of natal male homosexuality, not of trans

@MadHalflingInventor

9 күн бұрын

but if your brain develops while you do activity's that are opposite to that norm for your gender the parts of your brain that have developed could be more in line with the average appearance of the opposite genders brain, brains constantly change and develop through your life. I'm not discounting this theory because in all honesty it makes a lot of sense, I'm just pointing out that science has not yet proven if the brain differences are biological (hormones in the womb etc...), genetic (determined by your DNA) or developmental (created by adapting to your life style). I hope more research is done in this field, thanks for bringing this up :)

@i.cs.zamodits

2 күн бұрын

​@@MadHalflingInventor The brain isn't that plastic.

@Joe-iq1bu

2 күн бұрын

@@emi_mono literally nothing you said is correct 😂

Hi, I spotted a captions / subtitles mistake at 2:01:26 where Dr. Mike said "TBD" (to be determined), but with an accent on the T, so it got incorrectly captioned as "CBD".

I would love to see Jamie Raines join the conversation. He is a trangender man with a phd in psychology. His thesis was on being trangender and he just came out with a book "the t in lgbt".

@archsuccubuseclipse

Ай бұрын

Same

@synctrox9679

Ай бұрын

Liar and gaslighter who throws away anything that doesnt affirm to preconceived idea ... Jamie is not a right person to talk about this

@LuunaFoxx

Ай бұрын

I’d love to see Jamie join in :)

@mina6mina

Ай бұрын

​@@synctrox9679and your evidence for your claims are what? I'd like to see the evidence one by one for your harsh claims.

@synctrox9679

Ай бұрын

@@mina6mina i blocked that liar but mostly him defending trans people in women sports with stupid made up reasons

i felt a genuinely smile coming to my face the moment I read the title, thank you for talking about this.

@aquafai9165

Ай бұрын

Same! So happy for the educational opportunity for those who are supportive of the trans community!

@sigsauer_firearms

Ай бұрын

you're smiling at the thought of kids being coerced and groomed into life altering changes? you're sick.

@Digger-Nick

Ай бұрын

The fact that we are wasting this much time on something this ridiculous speaks volumes about the level of privilege and protection people have in the USA...

@MoonJelly13456

Ай бұрын

@@Digger-Nickcope cry baby

@rainyf0rests

27 күн бұрын

@@Digger-Nick I can't say I agree with you, and that's okay, just because there are bigger problems doesn't mean these have to be forgotten, each to their own, it really isn't a big deal imo

I really really loved this video, thank you for this Dr. Mike, and Dr. Turban, you both are amazing. As a trans person, contrary to popular belief, I do like the difficult questions and topics regarding trans issues, and gender identity; the problem is too many asking the questions phrase them in a leading way, or are not coming to the table in good faith to learn or be open to a new perspective, they're coming to debate you on why you're wrong and delusional, and they're right and sane carrying a briefcase of assumptions and misrepresentations about what we believe and think of our own bodies and identities but never actually hearing us. On top of that it can be frustrating as a trans person to be asked these academic level questions that someone like Dr. Turban is more equipped to explain that the average person, but we as trans people sometimes get expected to be academics on our own identity, psychology, and medical data about the procedures we go through that it can be exhausting. We can't always give all the answers, sometimes there are questions better deffered to experts, and sometimes, it just gets tiring constantly being placed in a position where you need to explain academic level topics, to people completely new to the topic, and/or are in bad faith and not actually interested in anything you have to say, no matter how well-worded. LONG RAMBLE ASIDE; In short, i appreciate Dr. Mike coming to the table in good faith, i feel that was evident by this talk, how the questions weren't leading, and how he was able to accept being wrong or the idea he may need more knowledge on this subject, and to look into it further beyond this talk alone. Good faith is a breath of fresh air cause these topics can be genuinely interesting, inciteful, and worthwhile, when both parties are interested in learning, growing, and humility.

It’s so comforting to be reminded that there are great people like you in the world. Thank you Dr. Mike.

Thank you for engaging in this topic at such length. ❤ We need people like you doing this in order to restore our ability to have national and international conversations. You do a great job of not only asking questions for your benefit but also representing questions from the larger audience. Dr . Mike you’re using your platform for good. Please know it’s appreciated ❤

Hey cool. I count as a detransitioner now. I lost my Medicaid because I had a job that offered health insurance what I didn't know is the health insurance was going to cost me $1,200 a month which meant I couldn't afford anything. Couldn't afford to go to doctors couldn't afford prescriptions. And because I listened to the medical establishment and started getting my hormones from legitimate sources instead of some random person in Ukraine I ran out of supply. I've been off hormones for over a year now it's awful I hate myself I hate my life and I want to die. I've watched my body slowly remasculinized and I'm losing hair.

@xshortxonexx

Ай бұрын

I’m so sorry that’s your experience. It’s sad how medical care is considered a for profit business in America and that insurance alone can be so expensive that people can’t even afford to use it.

@tengosueno6555

Ай бұрын

I'm so sorry, that is probably very hard, sending hugs 🫂

@Mochiii26

Ай бұрын

That’s sad I get it but there are people who can’t afford insulin, or other medications who are life saving. The U.S medical system is messed up, but many countries do not even insure people who are trans, bc they don’t consider it as medically necessary. What I mean by that are the medications and medical interventions needed. Without them you will not die just transition back to your original gender. I feel sorry for you and understand that these things can be costly but that’s the thing for most life saving medications they are costly.

@BeeThorough

Ай бұрын

@@Mochiii26 I know you are trying to be compassionate, but for many people these medications are life-saving. Suicide rates among trans folks unable to obtain treatment are disproportionately high. If you think that they can overcome that simply by focussing on how other countries have worse healthcare systems or other people have more dire need of treatment I’m afraid you are mistaken.

@gabor6259

Ай бұрын

America. The land of the free healthcare... *eagle screams*

Not KZread being like "you're not alone". :(

Anyone else notice Dr Jack got defensive about Dr Mike asking questions about competing in sports? Am I crazy?

37:36 mental health provider here: a combination of therapeutic approaches is almost always best. Specifically CBT with radical acceptance, so the fear is not irrational if it actually happened. It’s the anticipatory anxiety that’s irrational and so that is what you can challenge. You have to accept that anxiety is necessary to protect us, and to understand in your body when anxiety feels like fear that’s needed and when it doesn’t. But that is a process that takes time and talk therapy that a lot of people are not willing to commit to do because they don’t see results fast enough.

@user-ds8rj2vc4v

Ай бұрын

Questionnable approach. Might have the best immediate effect, but not necessarily the best.

@assassin743

Ай бұрын

Thank you for mentioning this. For many trans people, myself included, I think a common hurdle can be the fear of experiencing transphobia or discrimination. The reality is those are experiences that very well may happen and many do face. For some, the resultant anxiety interfers greatly with their ability to function. In my opinion, CBT/radical acceptance can potentially help in those cases.

@mindyross1028

Ай бұрын

Also a mental health provider specializing in adults with childhood trauma and transgender mental Healthcare. Talk therapy is also seen and felt as scary when we are helping our clients become aware of their fear and anxiety in their bodies because it can feel very overwhelming initially. I always try to prepare my clients and have a very open contact policy if help is needed to talk through experience outside of therapy. Talk therapy is hard, but a good practitioner builds safety that fits and adjusts for their clients' needs.

@shivakamini3488

Ай бұрын

@@user-ds8rj2vc4v “Almost always” and question my approach all you’d like. Is there a better approach you can enlighten us on that applies to every single trans person in this world? F all the way off with that nonsense.

@shivakamini3488

Ай бұрын

@@mindyross1028 we share the same niche. Thank you for adding that. You’re exactly right. I do a ton of prep work. Obv coping skills for safety have to be there. Somatic treatments, actual rapport and trust not just I’m the authority, so you can believe me. I just didn’t think I needed to spell it all out for the internet.

9:40 so like hear me out, wouldn't this mean that we put waaaay too much stock into what culture has to say about our identities? Like maybe we end up putting ourselves even further in a box instead of becoming more free? Edit: Separately, my concern with kids is whether puberty blockers are unhealthy for them. Bone density being a big one, but are there any other issues? Or is it not as bad as I understood it to be? I know that estrogen/testosterone are super important for brain development as well. Does it affect that? Also, is there therapy to help people accept both their body and their gender identity at the same time? Just for health concerns, I know a that it can cause serious health issues to have physical conversion therapy. Aaaaalso, if anyone has been trying to decide if therapy is a thing they should do, do it. I did exposure therapy for OCD and it changed my life. Definitely recommend. Don't be afraid to seek help if you need it, even if you think you aren't worthy/ready/needy of it.

@AnthonyL0401

Ай бұрын

@baileybasinger3455 Exactly!

@BananaRama31

Ай бұрын

I liked what Dr. Mike said about identity and putting less stock into it. I thought it was interesting g that Jack seemed to dismiss it a little bit. My first thought was that it was because without over identifying ourselves with abstract or cultural norms, there isnt much to stand by, except the potential mental health issues that people face with how their body looks. Our society puts so much stock into identity.. it doesn't seem helpful all the time.

@mouse122809

Ай бұрын

On a base level men are still men. Women are still women. Those roles have been changing over the decades to think biology has no play in societal roles or in general is just crazy. We are more freer now than we were 100 plus years ago. That's just a fact. How much freer does it need to be? This is clearly people that are not able mentally to accepting their biology society will not bend to more than two, two genders cuz that's what our whole. Human civilization was built from. Variation in roles can happen and it has.

@devconley9483

Ай бұрын

Not agreeing or disagreeing I’m just curious: What is identity without culture?

@AnthonyL0401

Ай бұрын

@@BananaRama31 I totally agree, and the degree to which it is currently affecting vulnerable people is astonishing. Look in the trans subreddits and people are often discussing terrible issues with their medicalization and surgery, when instead they could have obtained better mental health care before making some of these decisions.

I’m really impressed that you and your team even decided to cover this topic.

As a trans person, I really want to thank you a lot for actively listening, not being afraid to voice your concerns but being open about that being challenged or maybe not well thought out so far. It was a really interesting video where I also learned a lot!

You're one expert I trust so I looked up your channel name followed by "Transgender discussion" at some point and didn't find anything notable, so I'm really glad you're discussing this today!

@kathryn-anon

Ай бұрын

I strongly recommend Mama Doctor Jones' videos on the topic, as well!

Its so refreshing to see medical experts talk about trans people as normal people, due to where I live many people are VERY close minded and seeing you guys communicate and talk about the transgender community is so important. Thank you so much I remember being little and asking my mom if I was able to get rid of my female chest area, because it made me so uncomfortable to be thought of as a girl and that visible to everyone else, I wasn't even 7, I remember being little and making my long stomach length hair look short by tucking it into a baseball cap and hoodie and "Playing like a boy" or being in the shower and fashioning my hair to look short similarly so I could have short hair, even if for a moment because it meant I didn't need to be a girl right then. Trans people aren't trans because they are confused, or because of the internet, it's because of a genuine weight on your bones telling you when you look in the mirror the person looking back is not you, and wont be until you fix it

@WilsonTexasRager

Ай бұрын

Can't disagree more. But you're probably still young too.

@lavender0666

Ай бұрын

​@@WilsonTexasRager way to belittle and dismiss people's struggles

@Joe-iq1bu

Ай бұрын

Your childhood anecdote shows DEEP seeded trauma bro

@Joe-iq1bu

Ай бұрын

Trans people by definition are confused

@Joe-iq1bu

Ай бұрын

@@lavender0666 your struggles don’t automatically need to be validated

you guys are doing awesome work here. thanks for sharing the conversation. if the description could include a list of studies referenced during the conversation, that would be an incredibly valuable resource. i find myself referring to things said in this conversation and then scrambling to find the study that supports it. sometimes that takes seconds, but other times i have nothing after hours of looking.

Cool conversation. I REALLY appreciate two people taking the time to talk through these issues calmly, respectfully, and intelligently. There can be so much vitriol online around these topics, so this conversation is extremely refreshing. Some parts of what Dr. Turban said still struck me as odd, namely a) the belief that there is a transcendental sense of gender which people experience to varying extents, which doesn't seem like a particularly medical or evidence-based belief, b) some dismissal/ignorance of the known differing effects of peer pressure on boys and girls, suggesting that the belief that there are those differences might be misogynistic, and c) strange arguments in the discussion about sports. Honestly, though, the main thing I want to say is thank you for having an actual, genuine conversation about this. Both people were very respectful and Dr. Mike asked all the right questions. Really great!

@ryanthomas9306

23 күн бұрын

Turban also said “you cannot utilize talk therapy to reduce transness” Then literally claimed he talked to trans people and after a few talk sessions they claimed to not be trans anymore ..

@glimpsepandey3174

23 күн бұрын

​​@@ryanthomas9306 two completely different things still. Conversation with the intention of actively manipulating someone to change their belief is completely different to any conversation which leads to self-discovery.

@ryanthomas9306

22 күн бұрын

@@glimpsepandey3174they talk about this in the video .

I think people may not be measuring correctly in thinking females are more susceptible to self-harm via social media influence. Similar to the diagnosis of eating disorders being much higher in women, but when you include excessive exercise with a focus on weight loss and/or being "built", men have "eating disorders" too.

@Nonnitot

Ай бұрын

I agree. Usually the same behavior shows up differently in men vs women, preventing people from getting help because they think they can’t have something since they’re not [gender].

@jaxdragonvein8162

Ай бұрын

You’re describing body dysmorphia, not an eating disorder.

@j.rinker4609

Ай бұрын

@@jaxdragonvein8162 I didn't do a good job describing it, partly because everything I've read about eating disorders focused on women.

@kitsindel7884

22 күн бұрын

There is also the under diagnosis of this in men. I'd say more than one has one in order to maintain there abbs. You need a super low % for that lower for male then femail (I did use sex here purposely) as the fat on a male tends to group in areas around the abdomen more.

@Finn-rj7hz

20 күн бұрын

@@jaxdragonvein8162actually restrictive EDs can often include excessive exercise with caloric restriction. EDs and BDD are not mutually exclusive and people with EDs such as bulimia or anorexia do often have body image issues like BDD, or they can see their body for what it is and still think it’s not enough (which wouldn’t necessarily be BDD).

Thank you for asking the hard questions, trying so hard to be careful with your words, being methodical and organized about this topic. No one has all the answers and we are all trying so hard to learn.

Dr. Mike, I have been in and around the health care field my entire life. I have trans family members and clients. I love that you are having this conversation, and wanted to put forth to someone with a platform that we really do need to update terms we use in health care settings so that we can see all of these types of humans with language that puts everyone at ease. Not just surrounding gender. Like if you would refer to the female reproductive system to denote the entire system in a class where you had trans men present, what term could be used that everyone understands and is comfortable with? I do think there needs to be a sit down between the medical and trans communities to figure it out. And honestly that same team then needs to allow cis-gendered people to choose their own descriptor, as they are upset non-cis folks wants to choose both what they themselves get called and what cis people get called, and I think it's pretty clear that the majority of cis folks would choose something else. Perhaps you could pass these thoughts on to this person and others whom you think would find this worth doing?

Love that you used your platform to make this video while also being educated yourself by a professional in the matter

One thing above all Else i cannot understand is how and when did it become appropriate for politicians with zero medical background to make laws around physical and mental healthcare topics. Politicians botched covid response in dismissing the seriousness and severity of the illness Now politicians are inserting themselves into womens' health issues around abortion. Which in many cases are medically necessary) And for a long time have been inserting themselves into transgender issues. These are medical issues. They deserve objective and quality research in scientific studies. What signs does someone have that they are trans. What medical interventions are appropriate when. What potential side effects are there. What is the benefits vs risks. These are all things that have been studied and so far its been overwhelmingly positive to allow people to express themselves freely. Without bullying or discrimination. For some individuals that may include medical transition. And for those who find it necessary hugely benefit from this care. We still need more research. Long term care, what additional medical needs may these people have. And above all; we need to stop demonizing and discriminating against the transgender community and keep politicians out of medical decisions

@MrRockapoodle72

Ай бұрын

How can you not see that the medical science field is highly compromised. They lied repeatedly about covid and its vaccine and have admitted as such. Laws regarding abortion and trans issues are generally about protecting children from undue harm. Ive yet to see a single example of why a child needs to alter their hormones or body medically it always boils down to veiled threats that if you don't let them they will hurt themselves. Sound like a crazy ex girlfriend

@njalsand133

Ай бұрын

The idea of having powers means you're more trustworthy, I suppose.

@grell5108

12 күн бұрын

That's what we do in my country. The medical councils are the ones proposing legislation for medical issues, and then they're compared against the constitution and may include votings

I watch these videos of Dr. Mike's when I'm frustrated with the discourse I hear in real life and see online that completely lacks nuance and comes from a place of such bad intent. The way Dr. Mike communicates with his guests heals me and my faith in humanity.

The identity portion of this conversation made me think of the book "The Scout's Mindset" by Julia Galef. Wonderful read, and also talks about choosing carefully what you truly hold your identity in, as to not feel challenged at an ego level whenever something you hold identity in is challenged. It's been very helpful to me to not label and identify myself SO MUCH, but in an intentional and healthy way, with the understanding it can shift and change.

@Beserious795

21 күн бұрын

Just ordered it! Loved your review and description of what it’s about, sounds like something I struggled with myself.

As someone who’s worked in research and clinical trials, in my opinion requiring any patient who receives gender affirming medical care to also be in a clinical trial tracking outcomes would be considered coercive and we would not be able to ethically obtain informed consent from that patient. Because then you’re basically forcing any patient who wants that medical care to HAVE to be in a research study. That to me is coercive- clinical studies should be a quid pro quo situation.