My favorite part of the battle between Dream and Lucifer is the fact even if Lucifer might have been able to top Hope, they don't, because deep down they still have it.

@yermatedave4930

10 ай бұрын

And the line: " ...those here imprisoned could not dream of Heaven?" Is so good. On the surface, it seems like Morpheus is referring to the Damned souls, but in the Sandman cosmology, souls are only in Hell so long as they BELIEVE they should be. The Damned aren't *imprisoned* , the demons aren't holding them there, they're simply dishing out the punishment the Damned think they deserve. The only being who is *imprisoned* in Hell... is Lucifer.

@ninjatoriumnova2483

10 ай бұрын

@@yermatedave4930 That is made pretty obvious by the face Lucifer makes when Dream says it, too.

@borjankosarac3645

10 ай бұрын

Also the power plays that keep Lucifer in power to begin with; if it was known that deep down they still craved their old position by God’s side, that they yearn for the life/existence they once had, what power would they have anymore? It’s such a layered thing there.

@Luciphell

10 ай бұрын

@@yermatedave4930 Hah! While I agree with most of your words, Lucifer in this series is by no means "imprisoned" in hell. You will see what I mean in season 02.

@yermatedave4930

10 ай бұрын

@@Luciphell I have read the comics, so I have an idea about what form Lucifer's vengeance on Dream will take. That said, once Lucifer takes that action, it's clear that Their imprisonment was also purely a matter of personal choice.

So the tv series Lucifer is based on a graphic novels series that is a spin off from Sandman. Basically in the comics after the Sandman left Lucifer quit and moved to LA to solve crimes

@Rmlohner

10 ай бұрын

Which means this Lucifer and Mazikeen are technically the same characters from that show.

@smiddlehurst1

10 ай бұрын

@@Rmlohner And while I love the casting they did here.... I'm always going to wish a version existed with Tom Ellis and Lesley-Ann Brandt. Damn that would have been cool to see.

@TA3DArtist

10 ай бұрын

@@smiddlehurst1same! I just posted about this very thing.

@Painocus

10 ай бұрын

@@smiddlehurst1 They considered casting them, but ultimatly figured that show had made the characters so much it's own thing that it would be better to go the opposite direction with it.

As King Arthur and his men would attest to, cute little bunnies are vicious, murderous creatures 😄

@paulflux5892

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, and there's a former vengeance demon called Anya somewhere in Sunnydale who has a similar view!

Neil Gaiman: "You can draw the devils any way you want, but if Lucifer doesn't look like David effing Bowie I'll never work with you again." Or, something like that.

The John and Rosemary car ride is soooo tense. I really like how they changed John from the books, he’s far more interesting here.

@Lukecash2

10 ай бұрын

Gaiman was a much younger writer when he first did the comics. John was a more brutal and simplistic version of evil monster was. ( Also he was a JLA villain) After year's of living, Neil now creates fully formed character. What is interesting is the outcome of this road trip end drastically different.

@daphneglasurus7886

10 ай бұрын

So glad how he left Rosemary. What he did in the comic made me sit in silence for twenty minutes

I’m glad Gwendolyn Christie is still getting awesome role! I’m still bitter her role in Star Wars was so wasted

@natsinthebelfry

10 ай бұрын

Right? How do you get that caliber of actor involved in your project just to put a helmet on her and give her a couple paltry lines?

@borjankosarac3645

10 ай бұрын

I’d argue she was wasted in the second half of GoT, but then again almost everyone was from Season 5 onwards…

That tension of John and Rosemarie is just a taste of the feeling that permeates the next episode.

Dreams last burn to Lucifer is so great.

I like the fact that John comes across as a threat even though he doesn't have any powers without the ruby. He's literally just a weak old man. The protection charm only works automatically in self-defense, so he can't really even choose to attack anyone with it either. Rosemary was never really in any danger from it unless she tried to hurt him. Yet we still feel tense the entire time, because of John's history and the vibe he's giving off.

There were so many lovely aspects of this reaction. Your gratitude to us for our kindness and appreciation for the reactions thus far. Your delight in seeing Gwendoline Christie as old Lucy. Your emotional investment and protectiveness of kind Rosemary and sweet Susie. And of course, your excellent post-episode thoughts/analysis. All of it, most wonderful, Jess.

So glad you’re still watching this show. It’s SO awesome. I can’t wait for you to watch ep 6 especially (have tissues in hand)

When you said that she should have been a bunny instead of a snake…”kill it with cuteness”…I thought of Anya from Buffy and the killer rabbits from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

You have to understand... for many of us our love for Neil began with The Sandman comics. We are going to faithfully show up to share in our love with you.

You made a very astute observation in your intro. Each of the stories so far is a different style of horror story. Yes some of the imagery is in the comics but Hell is based on Dante's Inferno from the 14th century poem The Divine Comedy. The reference to Hell being cold and the grove of suicides, the trees made of people, are from the poem.

@SoonLeeNZ

10 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm pretty sure that Gaiman has said in an interview somewhere that the first few Sandman comics were each exploring different horror sub-genres. In the comics, after the first story arc is complete, the next arcs settle into more consistent tones. (That would be from episode 6 onwards in this adaptation) ETA: Found it. " I’d never written a monthly comic. I’d written a handful of small things, a handful of short stories that had sold, a handful of comics. This may be my only chance, I thought, ever to actually get a mainstream comic published, so I was going to get everything in there. I started out going, “Well, it’s a horror comic, so I’m going to do every different kind of horror. I’ll start out with issue one, and that’ll be British respectable horror. And then issue two, I’ll do EC Comics and DC Comics horror. And issue three, I’ll do Ramsey Campbell, Clive Barker contemporary splatter-punk horror. And issue four, I’ll go to Hell and I’ll do that 1940s Unknown Worlds magical thing. And issue five, six, I’ll just go hog wild and see how far and weird I can go. And issue eight, I’ll try and kiss everything better and we’ll meet Death and we’ll go for a walk. And after that, I have no idea what’s going to happen, but that’s my story.”" www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/neil-gaiman-sandman-season-2-release-good-omens-calliope-1234580270/

The "battle" is a bit different in the graphic novel. Morpheus actually fights Choronzon himself, and the duel has more rounds. It also takes place in a kind of comedy club, complete with waitresses and lots of patrons watching. The text is pretty much unchanged, though. The "I am Hope" moment became instantly iconic.

The next two episodes are definitely the most praised of the show so far, but I really appreciated it up to this point too; your invested reaction really shows. You can see why Gwen Christie as Lucifer really sells the intimidation against Tom Sturridge, and why Matthew is important to keep Hell from being too confronting (considering how it’s basically a barren wasteland that saps warmth and life and hope)… Meanwhile, David Thewlis is positively chilling as John Dee pleasantly chatting with poor Rosemary about how his mother had him locked up for murdering people; he’s actually more deep than in the comic, where he was just a psychopath who wanted the power of the Ruby (and in that one he did murder Rosemary after actually keeping her alert down; in this one he’d given her a means of protecting from even him now…)

Yes, there is nothing that can beat bunny cuteness! Even the series Buffy the Vampire Slayer knew that, especially the character of Anya in it.

in the comics, John murdered Rosemary in cold-blood. I actually loved that change. This is one of my favs, either in the series/audiobooks, it's exact to the panel from the comics, with tiny changes; like Choronzon actually faced Dream in that battle, it was in some sort of a hellish pub.

@spameranne

10 ай бұрын

here to offer that exact detail, I was so incredibly relieved for the change here.

Lucifer: I AM A SERPENT. Jess: NO, YOU'RE NOT! NO, YOU'RE NOT! A-hole Me: 😂🤭🤭🤭 (But srsly... I adore these reactions! I really HOPE you prepared yourself for Ep 5 tho' :D)

@salyx

10 ай бұрын

I laughed so hard!

@natsinthebelfry

10 ай бұрын

Maybe this is mean but her fear of snakes continues to amuse me. I have a big ol' snake tattoo on my arm and I can't help but look at it and laugh whenever she freaks out over one!

have got the 3 audiobooks after binging this series the books are slightly different and with extra bits. its a DC book so. cant wait for Season 2

@smiddlehurst1

10 ай бұрын

So it just struck me that between this series, the audiobooks and the Lucifer TV show there's effectively been three different castings for stories from this universe and they've ALL been superb.

@commiebastard3633

10 ай бұрын

I don't hold much hope for season 2 as Gaiman and the original writers aren't involved because of the strike.

I knew you would love the mind battle between Lucifer and Dream. That whole sequence was amazing. Don’t know if you ever saw Lucifer on Fox/Netflix but I heard there was a brief discussion about having Tom Ellis reprise his role along with the actress who played Maze. Not sure if that was more rumor than anything but it would have been cool to see.

@crystalfire5564

10 ай бұрын

It would definitely have been interesting to see Tom Ellis as Lucifer. But I thought this was well done anyway.

@scottboswell6406

10 ай бұрын

I think if they wanted to really tie in Sandman to his DC comics, Tom Ellis would have been perfect. Having this separation really opened everything up!

@SoonLeeNZ

10 ай бұрын

Tonally it would not have fit. The Tom Ellis Lucifer is quite different from the Lucifer portrayed in the Sandman. While I liked that the producers of the Lucifer show brought their own take to the Lucifer character with Tom Ellis, I'm glad they went with Gwendoline Christie for this.

What I found interesting in this episode, is that it is very unusual to see the devil being challenge by someone who they see as some kind of equal. while Morpheus is out of his league here, he is still powerful enough to be taken seriously.

When I say I was so terrified for Rosemary and Susie, I was damn near tears. I’m so glad they made it. It goes a different way in the comic.

The Forest of Suicide has grown since Morpheus was last in Hell. Given the short stories at the end of season 1, we may see the story of Kai'ckul & Nada someday. Lucifer was originally based on David Bowie. The challenge was originally with the demon, but this was far more dramatic. (Why would Lucifer be a snake, did you *really* just ask that? I literally LOLed.) They skipped a couple of moves, but otherwise, straight from the comic. That said, John not shooting Rosemary was a nice surprise. Might be too late to mention it, but the next one is the most uncomfortable of the lot.

@crystalfire5564

10 ай бұрын

I never made the connection between Lucifer and the snake before. LOL I just thought it was a regular move.

@SuperDrocket

10 ай бұрын

> we may see the story of Kai'ckul & Nada someday. I feel like it's likely we'll see explained in the first couple of episodes of season 2, since (if they're following the comics) season 2 will probably be the Season of Mists issues/collection for the first half and A Game of You for the second. I wouldn't be too surprised if S2E1 spent the first half at the family dinner and the second with Nada's story.

I'm so happy you are sticking with this show! Love hearing your thoughts, you've made many great points in your analysis, as always.

It isn't unusual for a story to end with a big battle. It is very unusual for that battle to involve so much imagination, both on the part of the writer and on the part of the characters.

I'm so happy that you are continuing with the series! It's such a well executed, well written, well acted series and so thought provoking! Always love hearing your thoughts on the episodes, I especially can't wait for episode 6. Looking forward to the rest of your reactions!

AYE!!!! Just saw that ya posted and I’m so glad you’re enjoying this series and such.

Love your channel, and SO happy that you're reacting to The Sandman!!!

This week on another episode of "The Sandman: Comic to Screen!" This one will be shorter than the other episodes lol. Pretty much the only differences in this episode are that Choranzon was the one that fought morpheus instead of Lucifer and it was in a jazz club, Etrigan the Demon (DC antihero) was the one leading Morpheus through hell to Lucifer, and in the comic John shoots and kills Rosemary after getting the Ruby, and Morpheus had to ask the Justice League where the Ruby was because they had taken it off John and put it in storage lockup. He asked Mister Miracle and Martian Manhunter in particular. He also appeared to Martian Manhunter in the guise of the Martian dream God L'Zoril

God, I am _so glad_ that Mazakeen doesn't have her speech impediment here. In the comics, she phonetically _spoke_ as if half her face was rotted off and it is _hell_ to read (no pun intended)

Yay! More Sandman! I'm so excited! Love this show and your reactions have been really entertaining. I'm just glad you're enjoying the show.

Time for me to be a nerd again! The only thing that made me sad about this episode is that it was missing a favorite scene of my from the comic. As mentioned, Dream needed to be announced before coming to Hell... and so in the comic, Dream sent Cain to announce Dream's coming and they reveal how Cain is marked by the "Mark of Cain" given to him by God protecting him from harm. Lucifer instead humiliates Cain by talking about the people who worshipped him. It's a fantastic sequence. Anyway... the bad news I have for you is that Rosemary did not end so well in the comic. She didn't have a dog in the comic book and she lied about having a policeman for a husband. When they finish the drive, he asks if her husband was really a police officer. She admits he wasn't and that she had lied. He says "It probably wouldn't have mattered" and kills her. Anyway... just some minor additional info for you from a massive nerd such as myself.

@Lukecash2

10 ай бұрын

The scene that you say is missing…was not a part if this story.

Compared to the comics, Marjorie got off easy, to say the least.

@monicaalexandru9638

10 ай бұрын

rosemary, sry. i dunno why i said marjorie.

You need to react to the TV show, Lucifer. It's great and I think you will enjoy it. There are about 6 seasons which will keep you going for a while. I like your reactions and I do hope to see you react to Lucifer. Bit of a background to this: Lucifer (played by Tom Ellis) comes to LA after deciding he's had enough of Hell. He works with a detective (played by Lauren German) and solves crimes. You will see many Celestials along the way and see Lucifer overcome his challenges on Earth.

@commiebastard3633

10 ай бұрын

It's campy nonsense.

The thing about the Amulet of Protection is that it's automatic. John doesn't actively disintegrate people, the amulet does it by itself when ever someone tries to harm it's owner.

In the Great Game you have to be able to completely embody the form you take. Whilst there is definitely something in the Sandman universe that can destroy Hope, taking that form would mean that Lucifer would have to abandon its own hope of finally escaping Hell and returning to The Silver City (Heaven in the Sandman universe). And that was something it could not possibly do (and it knew it).

My boy Sam Strike (Dan Morgan in M.I. High and Johnny Carter in EastEnders) is in this episode, as the character Todd 😁

I love this episode, and Gwendolyn as Lucifer. It's such a cool way to show a battle between beings with immense power! And yeah, you're right about all the episodes feeling slightly different; it's interesting to hear about people's favorites.

The way Morpheus forces Lucifer to yield is just perfect, the Morningstar may be a far more powerful but they are still a being that dreams and if our dreams are our hopes. Then Dream of the Endless knows that they still dream of returning home to the Silver City and forcing Lucifer to become that which destroys hope could potentially destroy Lucifer Morningstar.

@mmattson8947

10 ай бұрын

I was expecting something different. "I am a 10-year old's version of the Batman... Able to defeat any and all opponents with enough preparation, regardless of how absurd that would be."

@plan_r4005

10 ай бұрын

@@mmattson8947 I am that child’s inattentive parent who throws away their Batman comics while cleaning their room.

It is really a wonderful series with outstanding characters, love your reactions

Honestly I think it's smarter to wait a year (or more) after a show is released to do a reaction to it. Your audience is fans of the series who enjoy sharing it with their loved ones and seeing how they react to it. The longer a work has to sink into the fans' minds and become Special to them, the more excited they'll be to see a reaction to it. Plus, the initial rush of reaction videos whenever a new season of something comes out can be overwhelming, and it's easier for reactions to get lost in the flood. I'm not at all suggesting that this was intentional on your part - it clearly wasn't, your surprise and gratitude for the response to these videos is wonderful and genuine - but it has definitely worked out to your channel's advantage. Of course I'm also not suggesting you intentionally delay your response to Season 2 when it eventually comes out. For one I wouldn't ask anyone to deprive themselves like that, and secondly the way Netflix's ratings metrics work it's the first four weeks of viewing figures that figure into their decision on whether or not to order additional seasons/episodes, so when we get new Sandman it's our job to watch it relatively fast if we want it to keep coming.

I love Gwendolyn Christie as Lucifer - perfect moment of utter anguish at being reminded of heaven. Wonderful reaction! 💜😴💀

The comic version of John is openly malicious and cruel for it's own sake; I really enjoy the show making him instead an unstable and troubled man who doesn't understand why he's wrong

I _do_ like that it is made clear pretty quickly why Rosemary felt comfortable giving a total stranger a ride. SHe has a Goshdarn _Rottweiler_ in the back and my guess is that she feels safe enough with Suzy in the back. Of course, the kind of crazy that john is, is rather.... hard to fight. I am _so thankful_ that nothing happened to Suzy and this time, not even to Rosemary. Lets just say her Comicbookversion wasn't so lucky.

This series has many one to one scenes and the changes work better in live action. This show is a masterpiece in my opinion. Lucifer was modeled after David Bowie during his androgynous phase so Gwendolyn Christie works well.

Some interesting titbits: In the books John Dee is the civilian identity of Justice League rogue Doctor Destiny; the mental hospital he was locked in was Arkham Asylum; book Rosemary sadly didn't survive her encounter with him; Davis Thewlis' masterful portrayal of the character is one of the greatest improvements of the adaptation over the books, turning a rather one-dimensional character into a much more layered, interesting, and relatable (as far as a mass murderer can be relatable, of course) one. Technically Lucifer and Mazikeen are the same characters as the ones in the Fox / Netflix _Lucifer_ series (though that one is merely loosely inspired by the source material, instead of a quite faithful adaptation like this one). Lucifer's original design was based on David Bowie; sadly he was too old and deceased to take on the role, but Gwendoline Christie did a great job portraying them.

@abedrayton6398

10 ай бұрын

Dee was one of the many changes for the better between book and show :-)

Honestly, Gwendoly Christie is not who I _excpected_ but I think she makes a great Lucifer and is, funnily enough practically the opposite of what the Comic book Lucifer was Gwen is female and androgynous, while the original Lucifer was malepresenting androgynous and modeled after David Bowie

honestly I'd probably watch ep 5 and ep 6 on the same day then split them into seperate episodes. Episode 5 gets very very tense and uncomfortable, it is written very well but eesh. I watched Sandman when it premiered and I still remember that episode vividly. love your reactions and look forward to your future episodes

Loved your reaction to seeing Miss Christie as Lucifer Morningstar! No spoilers, but I want to say you should prepare yourself for the next couple of episodes; they are ... quite intense. Whether in a good way or a bad way, I leave that up to you to decide. I am so glad that you decided to react to this series, and am very much looking forward to your reactions to the future episodes!

He literally sache away from hell!!!

We're at the peak now! To me personally, episodes 4,5, and 6 are the three best episodes of the season (especially episode 6)

Thing about John is that his amulet not only protects him from actual attempts at harming him. It also protects him from harm in general, so it was the amulet that helped him avoid getting run over, helped him get a ride, and helped him not get left behind by Rosemary whenever she had a chance to run. That's why she makes some seemingly stupid decisions. The magic of the amulet forced her to make them.

Hey :) loved hearing your thoughts on this. Looking forward to the next one.

One of the most epic episodes everrrrr (til a certain one that’s ahead). LOVE 🖤🖤🖤

I like the ending of the show version of this episode much better than the comic version. It was... a bit darker.

No YOU'RE lovely

In the comics, this version of Lucifer is the same one that the TV show is based on.

Buckle up for the next episode.

*Jess rolls over* Snakes.. *why* did it have to be SNAKES...

As much as we love Morpheus... he can be a real asshole and he's done some things... Also... snakes ARE cute.

Don’t know if you’ve watched the next one yet. If not, buckle up, it’s a ride. Then, E6 is just awesome.

My only slight disappointed was that you didn't do your "cute doggy voice" whenever Susie was on screen.

We are so used to seeing bad things happen to good people, Rosemary's fate keeps you on edge (let's not even mention Sarah)! That she's been that necklace is at least a gift, for now. What's coming next for John? Ohhh Boy!!

OK… Either the mic bugged out at the serpent part, or Sesska went above my hearing range. I'm pretty sure it wasn't the mic. 😁

The Nada story is an interesting one and really.does not endear you to Morpheus at all.

So excited for you to watch the next two episodes. Two of the best episodes in recent tv/streaming history imo!

No spoilers, but just be aware that the next episode is a bit intense.

Episodes 5 & 6 are the best in the season, then I’ll be done watching because I hate 7-10.

NOT A FAN of how much they changed the original story....personally I don't feel like it served at all to make it better...in fact I feel like one of the main WTF moments was stolen from viewers because of such a meaningful change....changing John Dee's looks is one thing....I can at least overlook it../..but not how their interaction ended....it was more then just an action...it gave far more to Johns inner workings....terrible change imo, why flip up a master storytellers original story,....ugh

Still a little bummed they didn’t use the Cast of Lucifer for Maze and Lucifer in this show (Lucifer is based off the same character but the show is obviously wildly different despite that).

I recommend Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse 👌.

What kills hope? Reality. sadly.

@lichcoin6144

10 ай бұрын

Be that as it may, Lucie would have needed to psychicly feel it and she decided she did not want to

@monicaalexandru9638

10 ай бұрын

or depression?

@commiebastard3633

10 ай бұрын

Neo-libralism!

In the graphic novel he does kill rosemary, but in the novel both are different people. As in their characters have been changed. This is likely due to the fact that rosemary's character worked at arkham in gotham city and john was an inmate. The show cuts the comic book connection for good reasons, it may have just confused people and make them wonder which universe in DC it exists in. John himself was a villain called dr destiny in the comics, so his character is pretty different here. The graphic novel has very small comic book connections to the superheroes so cutting it out isn't really all that bad. Now you've got episode 5 and 6 coming up and wow, those two are pretty intense for very different reasons!

I was given the honor of being you're 777 like. I highly recommend reading the books. and listening to the audio play.

@KCohere33

10 ай бұрын

The audio is amazing. I finished volume three