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The Rules in Japan for Sitting/Standing in a Closed Area

Out of the many business rules in Japan, the upper and lower seats might be one of the most complicated and troublesome ones. Many young people in Japan too are starting to say
that this culture is outdated and meaningless. Unfortunately, there are still many people, especially in the older generation who think of it as basic business manners.
Although on one hand I think we should change the culture and focus more on actual productivity, on the other hand I think it would surely be better for you to understand the basics then to not know anything about it for better communication.
So today, as a man who has worked at three different Japanese companies before and currently running my own, I will explain what upper and lower seats are and how this culture was born, as well as 10 different situations on how to properly choose where to sit.
By watching this video you will obtain basic knowledge of upper and lower seats, to the level that you won't be troubled in real life. This video is perfect not just for those who are willing to work in Japan, but also to those who will study in Japan and communicate with any sensei/senpai in the future.
If you enjoyed watching this video, I hope you can take a look at “Part 1” where I explain business greetings, and “Part 2” about exchanging business cards.
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  • @LucasMartins-dy6no
    @LucasMartins-dy6no2 жыл бұрын

    Shogo teachs in a way that information stays with you, most educational content on this platform is forgetable, i love this channel!

  • @VictorLonmo
    @VictorLonmo2 жыл бұрын

    Shogo manages to take something that could be a really dry and dull subject and has made it entertaining and fun. Glad to give this a thumbs up.

  • @gangstreG123

    @gangstreG123

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dunno, it's still pretty dry. The presenter doesn't seem to have a natural speaking style either.

  • @verios44
    @verios442 жыл бұрын

    As someone from outside Japan, I have accidentally followed these upper and lower seat rules without even knowing it. I find that a bit facinating.

  • @danielgstohl9993

    @danielgstohl9993

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think some of the "seat ranking" rules apply in other places too, although they're maybe less tied to the social hierarchy and more about which seats will be filled first when there are fewer people, e.g. the window seat on the train.

  • @Spookspek

    @Spookspek

    2 жыл бұрын

    They all made intuitive sense to me, except for the "couch over free-standing seat with armrests" rule. To me, the free-standing seat with armrests was always the throne, and the couch just wasn't special. Also, when in a car, the seat closest to the pavement exit is the one my sister battled over.

  • @FerretKibble

    @FerretKibble

    2 жыл бұрын

    As youngest of my parents children the seating was usually the most inconvenient for everyone else -- and once elderly the best armchairs were always for my parents. There's also the "head of the table" thing and other seating rules I'm probably not conscious of but still follow.

  • @jackmcslay
    @jackmcslay2 жыл бұрын

    I've heard that in switzerland they have rules for parking slots, in which whoever arrives the earliest is expected to take the first parking slot available they can find so that who arrives later will spend less time walking to the building, and thus be less likely to be late

  • @satsar02

    @satsar02

    2 жыл бұрын

    oooh, thats amazing and very thoughtful!

  • @Krishnaeternal

    @Krishnaeternal

    2 жыл бұрын

    Now this is TRUE courtesy. Not those other self aggrandizing senior vs junior bullsh!t rules.

  • @jamc666

    @jamc666

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mhmm...I live in Switzerland and i never heard of this 😂😂

  • @ericktellez7632

    @ericktellez7632

    2 жыл бұрын

    Seems like BS. Also if you are late you are late, no matter how close you park to the building, it wont take you 5 or 10 mins more walking a parking lot at the most its going to be less than a minute

  • @r3koFresh

    @r3koFresh

    2 жыл бұрын

    no, there are no courtesy parking rules here

  • @sumdumbmick
    @sumdumbmick2 жыл бұрын

    distance from the door makes sense for other reasons, though. the lowest status employees are most likely to be the ones you'll use for errands or dealing with interruptions, etc. so putting them far from the door would make their ability to handle anything that might come up much more disruptive to the meeting.

  • @thecrazyToolfan
    @thecrazyToolfan2 жыл бұрын

    As someone from outside of Japan, I can understand and appreciate the reasons for these kinds of rules.

  • @aliciasschorra1306
    @aliciasschorra13062 жыл бұрын

    I am following shogo from the start and am really so happy with his channel and its so educatief. I wish him and his family the best and hope he gets very big. I recommend all japanese lovers this channel

  • @_hiroprotagonist
    @_hiroprotagonist2 жыл бұрын

    Your rate of speaking is great, no need to speed up playback. As always, thank you for covering the topics you do!

  • @quillpen815
    @quillpen8152 жыл бұрын

    I do think these rules also still exist in western societies, though not quite as rigid as most people seem to adhere to in japan. You see it a lot in special occasion seating like weddings, birthday parties, family dinners... anything celebratory with clear indicators of hierarchy depending on one's proximity to the celebrant or main representative for the group of celebrants. This seems to be a very primal thing to me, since humans are very aware of social hierarchies, much like other animal species who have close knit group social structures do in the wild.

  • @prva9347

    @prva9347

    2 жыл бұрын

    But also mixing in the etiquette rule of alternating female and male.

  • @LetsaskShogo
    @LetsaskShogo2 жыл бұрын

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  • @moniquehuchet3646
    @moniquehuchet36462 жыл бұрын

    I visited my daughter when she was teaching English near Kobe, she was also learning to play koto. I saw how the ranking of positions affects how we relate. When in the koto group the teacher was the highest rank but when I visited the koto teacher where my daughter was teaching her grand children the role were reversed and my daughter had higher rank over her koto teacher. In my culture the koto teacher would have had higher rank no matter where she was because she was an older person.

  • @phil3114
    @phil31142 жыл бұрын

    Mate, you are pure gold. I learned more about the Japanese state of mind and Japanese culture then during decades of books and documentaries. For such a rich and powerful country, there is not coming a lot out of it aside videogames and anime. So having more Japanese actually contribute to international communites is very very nice to have! Cheers from Germany

  • @kyokoyumi
    @kyokoyumi2 жыл бұрын

    Got all of them right. Though honestly, it does need to be reversed. The most important seat should be the one by the exit in case of a fire or earthquake/tidal wave emergency. Got to get the most important person to safety first, right?

  • @satsar02

    @satsar02

    2 жыл бұрын

    that make sense

  • @Sannypowa

    @Sannypowa

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking the same thing. Same logic for emergency ladders.

  • @lorenam8028

    @lorenam8028

    2 жыл бұрын

    Naaa, let the bastards die...

  • @Broockle

    @Broockle

    2 жыл бұрын

    I remember when I practiced Taekwondo the higher belts would always train furthest from the door and the lowest would be closest to the door in order. The reasoning being that if we were attacked then the higher belts would get more reaction time to defend the Dojang. This is Korean culture but I'm guessing this particular facet has an identical origin as in the Japanese Dojo.

  • @RavenSaint1

    @RavenSaint1

    2 жыл бұрын

    A friend told me (was from tradition oriented family) that it was like the maritime tradition, the leaders would make sure the people they are responsible for would be able to leave first in an emergency. In older times the leader would be protected by the younger and faster warriors that looked to them, until they could either be moved if they were too old to fight or be able to join the fight themselves. (Shoganate tradition) Business tradition ended up being the younger employees would be shields to the older/higher managers during a business take over. Usually the bodyguards and combat trained would be standing against the walls and near the doors. While the employees were sitting at their meeting. Tradition is a big thing for the elders of Japan, but the younger generations have for years more Westernized. Just like many traditions of the Natives of America have had their traditions slowly being over come by the European traditions and teachings, and the elders dying with their traditions and the oral traditions of passing on history of The People. This includes the moral and respect of the elders who have lived and learned the skills and histories. Native Languages are almost all lost. I hope Japan keeps their history and traditions, incorporating the new and old in ways that don't destroy a culture.

  • @juliakuri135
    @juliakuri1352 жыл бұрын

    In USA, the same rules apply most of the time. In part from military view: clearer field of view, control of field of fire (gun reference). Person of highest rank farthest from door sees all entrances and exits. First eye contact is strategic advantage.

  • @etherealceleste

    @etherealceleste

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same with Southern culture traditions.

  • @mariaevens8969
    @mariaevens89692 жыл бұрын

    "Left is supirior to right!" Me, a lefthanded person: Finally, some recignition!!! x^x

  • @pygmygiant

    @pygmygiant

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yessss 🙌

  • @Primalxbeast
    @Primalxbeast2 жыл бұрын

    I used to train in 2 different karate dojos at the same time in the US, and in one dojo, the high ranked students were to the right and the other dojo had the high rank students to the left. I had a high rank in one style and a low rank in the other style, so I was on the right side in both dojos.

  • @reniersteyn4519
    @reniersteyn45192 жыл бұрын

    Shogo would be a great teacher he could teach -culture -language And much more about japan .

  • @Eris123451

    @Eris123451

    2 жыл бұрын

    I still remember taking a bunch Japanese students and their teacher out on the river in Oxford and later being compared to Australopithecus, (there was a skeleton in one of the displays,) when when we were in the Pitt Rivers Museum, basically he was calling me a monkey and he thought it went over my head. I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese or of Japanese culture and traditions and frankly I found them to be arrogant and deeply racist, but the Oxford collages make a fortune catering to their prejudices and snobbery.

  • @AdamOwenBrowning

    @AdamOwenBrowning

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Eris123451 Yes, East Asia has very different racial views. So does all of Asia compared to all of Europe if we are going to generalize. Let's cater to them for money until our culture falls over :D Honestly, in my local area there is a top astrophysics university. The West on the whole doesn't like to talk about just how racist most of the human race still is, so we can wave happy flags of diversity, cultural integration, and all getting along hand-in-hand as a prosperous sharing global village. The government doesn't trust local students to even pay their university loan, so they sign contracts with the Chinese government who pay up-front. Now, six blocks of the city are 100% rich Chinese who really don't like the 30% Indian population, or anyone who isn't Chinese for that matter! I walk through parts of town I remember very well, but no longer remember them, because I am looked down at for being slightly brown and everyone within this area is an absurdly rich son/daughter of an entrepreneur. I'm mixed race and some Japanese see this in a manner of mongrels! Like I am a "lower-tier" westerner. I am used to this.

  • @dorkyaznguy
    @dorkyaznguy2 жыл бұрын

    Soho-san! Your explanation of seat priority was great! I knew most situations, but I definitely learned a few things especially about taxi seating.

  • @Gamercat01
    @Gamercat012 ай бұрын

    Shogo san, thank you so much for this video. I learned a lot, and thanks to you I was able to write a whole page of notes on the seating in Japan. It's such happiness for me to learn about all of this. ありがとうございます。

  • @TherealSakuraKei
    @TherealSakuraKei2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for another great educational expirience regarding Japanese traditions. ☆ I enjoyed the quizes

  • @Z020852
    @Z0208522 жыл бұрын

    I always thought the "far away from door for security" was kind of a thing everywhere, with modern office building layouts and security only changing this given less need for security and more priority for the exec assistant to be able to signal the boss or for the exec secretary or vp/dpm/ to be able to signal the head of state or secretary briefing him/her if some new info just came in as discreetly as possible just in case doing it that way was necessary.

  • @johncochran8497

    @johncochran8497

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd say it's not so much as distance from the door, but instead having the door in line of sight. So you automatically see whoever is entering the door first. And since in a meeting, everyone is generally facing the center of the room so that they can see everyone, it's a simple matter of geometry that the person furthest from the door would also be the person facing the door.

  • @flyingzone356
    @flyingzone3562 жыл бұрын

    I am a college professor. Your videos are SOOOOOOOO useful as teaching materials for my Cultural Psychology course!!!!!!!!

  • @madmax6220
    @madmax62202 жыл бұрын

    Shogo i have a question, what will happen when a higher person enters the room? do the persons shuffle seats?

  • @HappiAcrossCultures

    @HappiAcrossCultures

    2 жыл бұрын

    In my experience everyone stands up when the higher person enters the room and makes way for them ☺️

  • @mm-yt8sf

    @mm-yt8sf

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@HappiAcrossCultures that reminds me of my high school (usa, but private). students were supposed to stand when an adult enters the classroom. which resulted in adults often opening the door a bit and gesturing to catch the teacher's attention so they don't have to enter and make everyone stand up, which seemed to be rather nice of the adult toward the students 😃

  • @HappiAcrossCultures

    @HappiAcrossCultures

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mm-yt8sf that’s so respectful!! I love that even the adults would go out of their way to be respectful to the students and not have to make them all stand ✨✨

  • @TonboIV

    @TonboIV

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mm-yt8sf So a hacky solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place then? And of course these things can't be changed once they're implemented, because no-one wants to be the one who said that it's okay for students to "disrespect" adults, even though everyone involved knows it's stupid.

  • @TonboIV

    @TonboIV

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Jordan Rodrigues That all assumes the people in the privileged position behave in an enlightened manor. They rarely do, and will usually abuse their position instead. I don't believe such rigid hierarchy is good for society, especially when it's based on something as arbitrary as who happened to be born first. Having all the kids stand up every time an adult enters the room is just silly and without purpose anyway. That is clearly demonstrated by the way everyone had to take an end run around the system. When people have to hack your system just to function normally, it means your system is flawed.

  • @PhilipLeFou
    @PhilipLeFou2 жыл бұрын

    It’s so important to own your own business

  • @outboundflight4455

    @outboundflight4455

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's crucial now more than ever. Workers are losing rights and money.

  • @Carlos-ne3zf
    @Carlos-ne3zf2 жыл бұрын

    To be honest if suddenly someone wants a coffee or something... they're not gonna send someone high ranking to go get it xd so is obviously more practical that the one who's gonna be bossed around can have easier access to the door

  • @MarioAtheonio

    @MarioAtheonio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I find that a lot of this is intuitive and internalised at least on some level in the West as well, without there being strict rules for it.

  • @markqqq_
    @markqqq_2 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are not only informative but also very calming

  • @RadicalTrivia
    @RadicalTrivia2 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos, Shogo! I also like how there's a very subtle (Kyoto-esque?) message of "old people here are the worst, screw them" somewhere in each video. It's the same here in the US, stay strong, my friend - all we have to do is wait. Hahaha =) - Jared

  • @TheBlueArcher
    @TheBlueArcher2 жыл бұрын

    i've watched many of your videos, this is the first time i notied the speed up playback message...

  • @jaycal1920
    @jaycal19202 жыл бұрын

    Why do you suggest to adjust playback speed? Yes lots of Feng Shui in Japan also. There is a myth, a saying, a thing, something where the person sitting watching the entrance is of higher rank to those with their back to it. So those further from it are in a more advantageous position if ever attacked and those with their back to it are more vulnerable and often first to be attacked and delay the attacker. Its a strategic position.

  • @owaffs
    @owaffs Жыл бұрын

    the taxi one surprised me because I thought it was also a rule that the most senior person pays for things so I expected them to be in the front (they would also have more room there).

  • @AslanRuiz
    @AslanRuiz2 жыл бұрын

    I love your channel!! I learn more with you than i will ever learn from my own teacher.

  • @shanks7987
    @shanks79872 жыл бұрын

    Wasn’t this covered in Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan

  • @DevinDTV
    @DevinDTV2 жыл бұрын

    this is actually a lot more intuitive to westerners than you might think. some of the details seemed pretty arbitrary like left vs. right, but the general principles are followed pretty much everywhere I would imagine

  • @alcidesdossantosfreitas7903
    @alcidesdossantosfreitas79032 жыл бұрын

    Hey dear SHOGO, Kazu & Harumi, Another great video! I think I'll get a little memento of Japanese good manners before going to this beautiful country full of traditions. Really your videos are much better than a vulgar touristic guide and they will be much more profitable since they are extremely precise. It would be a shame not to learn the fundamental lessons in order to respect the Japanese people. Thank you for all and keep my deep friendship in towards you

  • @kickwriteteach2313
    @kickwriteteach23132 жыл бұрын

    5:51 - I would have guessed that the couch would rank lower than an individual seat. imagine a CEO sitting on the couch next to their CFO. the fact that they're sharing seems to imply that they're not as important. I would have ranked the single, individual chair in the bottom left hand side highest.

  • @RexusprimeIX
    @RexusprimeIX2 жыл бұрын

    I never thought about it before this video, but we kinda have the same unspoken rules about the middle car seat. Basically, you and your friends/family/acquaintances have to determine who is "the lowest in the hierarchy" and has to get the uncomfortable middle seat.

  • @Me-wk3ix
    @Me-wk3ix2 жыл бұрын

    Wow. After watching 2 of your videos, it's hit home how similar Japan and US actually are. The actual practices might differ a bit, but the ideas behind them are very similar. Thank you for the great content, you are a good teacher!

  • @Wynora
    @Wynora2 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy learning things from you ! and these things are usually interesting and educational, thank you so much!

  • @MAlanThomasII
    @MAlanThomasII2 жыл бұрын

    I have also heard that car seat priority can mirror survivability in the event of the most common types of car crashes, although I don't know if this is relevant or even true. In the case of the general rule regarding door distance, I can also see in upper-class environments a possible theory that if a superior is holding audience or a meeting, you want those entering to begin in the area of lowest rank and then proceed up to their station rather than beginning in an area above their station where they are not allowed. This enforces the social hierarchy. Of course, if the superior will be arriving last, they might want to be closest to the door so they don't have to walk as far, whereas those of the lowest rank must trek to the far end of the room past everyone else upon arriving (which might be a subtle form of humiliation). I could see a culture evolving either preference, so it is interesting to see what each one chose. Many of these rules would be the same in the U.S. for different reasons, or in the more practical cases, for the same reason. Of course, some of them would be different, but there are still rules here.

  • @GrayHateborn
    @GrayHateborn2 жыл бұрын

    One thing was not clear to me - while I understand left is superior to right, my question is - from which perspective? When looking into the room from the door? Or when considering from the viewpoint of the highest seat (which is most likely to be facing toward the door)?

  • @Verbalaesthet
    @Verbalaesthet2 жыл бұрын

    That was really interesting. I probably never need this in my life but I will remember it ^^

  • @oivinf
    @oivinf2 жыл бұрын

    Even if you don't go to do business in Japan you need this knowledge in Yakuza-series sidequests

  • @bendirval3612
    @bendirval36122 жыл бұрын

    Wow. That is so much more complicated than I was expecting! I guess I need to adjust my expectations going forward.

  • @victory7213
    @victory72132 жыл бұрын

    This may have helped on Friday Friday , gotta get down on Friday

  • @tongxinworld
    @tongxinworld2 жыл бұрын

    very interesting knowledge to know about it, thank you Shogi.

  • @Sannypowa
    @Sannypowa2 жыл бұрын

    I like learning new things about Japan. Arigato gozaimasu, Shogo-san 🙂

  • @KenMabie
    @KenMabie2 жыл бұрын

    well yeah its assigned seating .. we have that in America too

  • @EnderDaKoolGuyOfficial
    @EnderDaKoolGuyOfficial2 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting stuff ! I was able to get more of them right than i thought i would lol

  • @silverbird425
    @silverbird4252 жыл бұрын

    It is easier for the host to go fetch something, make sure the food is ready, or run other necessary errands if the door is directly behind them. No need to walk behind the guests,. This is especially an issue in small rooms. The highest ranked guest is best seated across from the host, with his team around him. After that, however, it can get silly - for instance the translator should not be six seats down just because they are lower rank.

  • @lazygardens

    @lazygardens

    2 жыл бұрын

    The host, being high ranking, does NOT fetch things. The lowest-ranking intern sits there so they can do it easily.

  • @silverbird425

    @silverbird425

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lazygardens I stand corrected. whups

  • @matthias8122
    @matthias81222 жыл бұрын

    I heard that seat behind the driver was the highest because in the case of an accident, the driver will turn the vehicle away from the oncoming car and so you wouldn’t want the important person next to them.

  • @teknophyle1
    @teknophyle12 жыл бұрын

    this just made me think of Sheldon's seating rules on bigbangtheory. like ultimately it doesn't matter but he had a detailed strategy for picking his chair.

  • @scharkalvin
    @scharkalvin2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds more like a way to arrange the furniture in an office or meeting room. It would tend to make the presenter at a meeting, able to more easier to address those he is in charge of. We probably have some sort of throw back to this custom in the way offices in America are arranged as well.

  • @bwcbiz
    @bwcbiz2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting that the couch is "higher" than a single chair with armrests. I would have thought having to share the seat with another person would lower the rank

  • @J_A
    @J_A2 жыл бұрын

    No, I didn't know. Thank you for telling me about it.

  • @0ptera
    @0ptera2 жыл бұрын

    Funny how it's the reverse. We always tend to reserve chairs closest to the door for elderly. So they have an easier time taking their seat without having to shuffle into a corner.

  • @secangkir-kopiplaymate1765
    @secangkir-kopiplaymate17652 жыл бұрын

    I learned this when come to Japan for the first time. But day by day I'm forgot, because I'm never going for the business meeting 😁

  • @OrderSerpah
    @OrderSerpah2 жыл бұрын

    I see why this is outdated, but at the same time it’s fascinating

  • @baliche
    @baliche2 жыл бұрын

    Wow... This counts for elevators too? I think I totally screwed this up with my university professor when I was studying abroad in Japan. This would have been a great channel to watch before studying abroad.

  • @ThisIsYaxin
    @ThisIsYaxin2 жыл бұрын

    So, how do you assign the person to their seat? Do I just allow the highest ranking person to enter the room first, choosing their seat, or do I enter first do show them their seat?

  • @curlyvideos
    @curlyvideos2 жыл бұрын

    Left/Right: Is the purpose to have the right hand closer to the door? The lower/right-seated would have to turn 180° toward the wall before aiming an arrow or extending their hand (like at 8:15). Even if that's not the origin, is it an accurate rule guide?

  • @nobunagascat4139
    @nobunagascat41392 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure, but denying all the tradion isn't good too. Of course, times never stop, but keeping tradions make Japan unique country. I hope, future Japan will be able mix tradions and productivity as did it many times before. This is only-Japan ability, i think

  • @victoriazero8869
    @victoriazero88692 жыл бұрын

    Things got weird for me on Shinkansen but I got the rest pretty well!

  • @thomasrobson6370
    @thomasrobson63702 жыл бұрын

    in america it's called "the gun seat"; where you have your back against the wall and no one can shoot you in the back 😁

  • @KnownAsKenji
    @KnownAsKenji2 жыл бұрын

    Sheldon Cooper: "That's my spot." Japan: "Nope."

  • @danielwalker26
    @danielwalker262 жыл бұрын

    Most important point. I am a foreigner and people will understand if I look like I have no idea what I am doing.

  • @drd4059
    @drd40592 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting. I expect to be in Japan next year on business and want to show respect for the host by following proper protocol. I am the chief scientist in my company and expect to meet with scientists and engineers from a large Japanese corporation. I am probably higher rank within my company, but the Japanese partner company is 40X larger. How much does the size of the organization matter and how do scientists rank in Japanese society?

  • @mm-yt8sf
    @mm-yt8sf2 жыл бұрын

    i guess it's more efficient if most people have the same "sorting algorithm" in their heads about how to sort themselves...then there's less of the "was he trying to be rude? or just had a positive reason for doing the unexpected thing...?" when one can expect people are on the same page then it's easier to know with more certainty when respect is showed....or not showed.. i guess it's a double edged sword 😀how fun!

  • @lorgrenbenirus
    @lorgrenbenirus2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting and actually easy to understand, once basics are known. I don't personally even mind such rules, simply shows a deep culture and traditions. Not everything should always be simple to the point of being lame, not applying traditions or respect, like in western culture. Overly complicated is also not good, of course, but these "rules" aren't that hard (well, now that I've learned about them :) ). Basically, be proud of your culture and traditions and don't rush to apply western ways, as many western ways simply suck.

  • @alexjgilpin
    @alexjgilpin2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting. I would have thought that the seat closest to the door would have had the highest ranking, as the person who sits there must travel the least, and so that person's time is considered most important. I would also have thought that the elderly would have preferred the seat closest to the door as that means there is less distance for them to cover on weak legs, too.

  • @jort93z

    @jort93z

    2 жыл бұрын

    In kendo, not sure if this is true or made up, they told me this is because if someone was to attack, the people near the door would be murdered first. Meatshields, of sorts.

  • @daviddupont517
    @daviddupont5172 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. I guess pretty good because my experience in dojo for aikido practice. Even if I'm French

  • @ecchioni
    @ecchioni2 жыл бұрын

    What about a round room with multiple entrances? Will a company of Japanese businessmen enter into a stack overflow state?

  • @benth162
    @benth1622 жыл бұрын

    Older Japanese have bought into an aspect of Samurai culture that is no longer fitting for where Japan is going, because it proves that the older generation and those who are at the top of businesses are self absorbed while at the same time giving the impression they are vulnerable so the use the Japanese Caste system to give authority to their positioning lower ranking men in positions where they would have to take the brunt of an attack. That militaristic culture of a caste system is no longer fitting in this day and age. Also those higher ranking individuals need to stop acting like put-upon narcissistic children who truly believe they are entitled to use others to do their dirty work. There was a reason the Knights of old England used a Round Table for their meetings so that no knight would be considered higher ranking than any other.

  • @AdamOwenBrowning

    @AdamOwenBrowning

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Round Table is mythical lol, as is most of King Arthur (they are even given a name "Arthurian Legends") because when Rome withdraw from my dear nation we were in complete ruin and did not document our history properly, struggling to come up with even consistent ways to spell words. Knights directly served the monarch, and the monarch was completely powerless to Papal wishes, until Henry VIII formed the Church of England. We were approaching the 1800s and still did not agree on how the world "the" should be used and spelled! Whilst Japanese samurai education kept the nobles consistently literate throughout this period. Militarism and a caste system and not particularly related. Highly militaristic less caste-based societies like say, the British Empire, did not have serf-peasant-lord caste systems. In fact, discarding this was useful to adding more hands to the operation, allowing low-born men to become accomplished sailors and military men, discarding caste systems for a meritocracy which saw us rule half the world. I do not see how older people following the manners and politeness that their culture taught them in their time as "being self absorbed." I think frankly this is a low and shitty way to insult many, many older Japanese who are trying to be polite and civil. Imagine in 30 years when the way that you have been taught politeness is considered self-absorbed. Very rude. Many business owners are self-absorbed; most of those people are not following any kind of samurai culture, they are American businessmen and Hollywood LA nonsense cliques! Respect and etiquette are fitting in all days and all ages. Everything must be adapted and the old ways always become outdated, I agree, but the complete discarding of samurai culture will lead to self-absorbed businessmen with even less respect for their clients in the manner of American hotshot venture capitalists. Once-militaristic cultures can still exist with their militarism symbolically represented. You, as a foreigner, kind of can't decide that Japan's samurai culture is barbaric. In England, we do this thing called "keeping it to ourselves" so we don't look rude, opinionated, or stupid. Japan's degradation began with the introduction of Western culture, where Westerners are ignorant enough about their own origins to believe that the round table actually existed in consistent practice hahaha...

  • @benth162

    @benth162

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AdamOwenBrowning Oh my, a history professor, I used the round table as an allegory. I don't give a rats if it actually existed or not. Your arrogance is showing as you are so proud of your education. True civility leaves people living like robots for fear that their opinions will offend everyone else. That is not freedom. It is being a slave to a culture that lives off the fears of its highest ranking members who live by stealing the working efforts of others. That is what a caste system is my friend.

  • @etherealceleste

    @etherealceleste

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@benth162 I'll be your Huckleberry. You are an insufferable and entitled child. You may call me arrogant all you want because I know I earned mine. Your are just uncouth and uncultured.

  • @Momo-kun88
    @Momo-kun88 Жыл бұрын

    What about in a bus or a van? I assume sitting closer to the door is preferable to get off first?

  • @DixtunBabyAngel
    @DixtunBabyAngel2 жыл бұрын

    Shogo, thank you so much for all of your videos. I have been a long-time watcher. I am curious how can we actually ask you a question directly? There are a couple of very specific questions I have on a couple of topics, especially in regards to tokonoma. How could I ask you these, please? ^^

  • @tymon5349
    @tymon53492 жыл бұрын

    so basicly what you mean by on the left is the seat thats on the right hand side (litterly right hand man)

  • @skyz
    @skyz2 жыл бұрын

    My notes for visiting Japan: If you're always the most important person, then you won't have to worry.

  • @Jay-ln1co
    @Jay-ln1co2 жыл бұрын

    Would imagine there's also things like draft from a door and people coming and going past you to consider. Placing an important person to such a position would be disrespectful.

  • @ouflag6799
    @ouflag67992 жыл бұрын

    ive noticed that a lot of cultures do this without there being rules for it even the car and elevator based

  • @andrelee7081
    @andrelee70812 жыл бұрын

    As an American, some of the rules for protection I know from school. We had lockdown drills where the kids in a classroom had to move to a more secure position and the teacher in a less secure one to protect from a shooter or other danger.

  • @the-night-witch
    @the-night-witch2 жыл бұрын

    Given my own situation, my question is how these rules would be applied if an employee/person was disabled? Using my own Stage I Cerebral Palsy as an example. I walk with forearm crutches. These videos are often the most fascinating to me, Shogo-san.

  • @sarnxero2628
    @sarnxero26282 жыл бұрын

    Regarding the taxi seating, In America the front seat would be the highest value seat at that would be the most comfortable and the lowest would be the middle seat in the back which is sometimes called "sitting bitch". As in, "hell no I'm not sitting bitch, I'll call my own uber" 😂

  • @HussarPlays
    @HussarPlays2 жыл бұрын

    Our BJJ professor explained this a while ago in relation how we line up on the mat by rank. In my version; in video game terms if you storm a Dojo you need to get through trash mobs first (white belts) Then tanky mobs (blue belts) Then minibosses (purple and brown belts) And in the end you get to the final boss/s (black belts)

  • @williamho2940

    @williamho2940

    2 жыл бұрын

    Makes sense. so your HP could be reduced by the time you actually fight the boss. Conversely, it gives you time to charge the "special" meter

  • @t33th4n
    @t33th4n2 жыл бұрын

    Having all the rules or customs, and more importantly abiding it, also helps your brain to be kept in a good shape :)

  • @KatBat707
    @KatBat7072 жыл бұрын

    As an European this seems so needlessly complicated and unnecessary. There are plenty of other ways to show respect.

  • @spelcheak

    @spelcheak

    2 жыл бұрын

    I could never understand this mindset, why are some people so anxious to throw away traditions? The preservation of culture is a good in and of itself, how can anyone think the opposite?

  • @MiraculousMilk

    @MiraculousMilk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@spelcheak I think it’s because Japan has a lot of overwhelming cultural expectations of its people. It fascinates me to no end, and I try to absorb all of it as I have a dream of living in Japan. I can see how it would be perceived negatively though.

  • @MarioAtheonio

    @MarioAtheonio

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, I find that a lot of this is quite intuitive and actually internalised at least on some level in the West (or Europe at least) as well, without there being strict rules for it. You always see the boss sitting on a more comfortable chair, the most important people at a meeting sitting in the middle of the table (or alternatively the “head” of the table), old people sitting when young ones are standing, etc.

  • @oliviapitt4824
    @oliviapitt48242 жыл бұрын

    Works for me, being close to the door is a big +. On second glance I feel like even tho you are near the door they would expect you to be the last to leave. Eshhh.

  • @nicjansen230
    @nicjansen2302 жыл бұрын

    I understand why the rank in a train is higher when the seat in is the direction of travel, but now that I've been sitting opposite to the direction of travel I find it more comfortable. Also, opposite to the direction of travel is safer in case of a crash. Would the rule change if your superior would say such a thing?

  • @fba90130
    @fba901302 жыл бұрын

    So in a taxi the away from the door rules no longer apply?

  • @Solrex_the_Sun_King
    @Solrex_the_Sun_King2 жыл бұрын

    Could you say for American and Canadian culture that sitting in the front seat (shotgun!) that isn’t the driver’s seat is a mild position of power for social hierarchy for driving with 3 or more people in a vehicle?

  • @gopheritnow
    @gopheritnow2 жыл бұрын

    I can understand you can determine seniority within a company. How do you determine where to stand in a lift if you dont know the other people (is it by appearance of age). Not sure if this is a silly question, also, as people get in and out of the lift do people shift around based on the seniority.

  • @ThatBoyRoxaz

    @ThatBoyRoxaz

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would assume it's a little universal here, whoever enters first always operates the buttons. Anything after that is based on guess and doesnt make sense to be shifting about due to the space constraints.

  • @joeperez3520
    @joeperez35202 жыл бұрын

    Are there similar rules for family situations (dinner table, living room watching TV, picnic, etc)?

  • @marocat4749
    @marocat47492 жыл бұрын

    I agree it should be loosened up a lot, the furthest away to the superior, ok, burt the rest, is , too complicatd.

  • @mfd1993
    @mfd19932 жыл бұрын

    I'd expect that in a bullet train, the order of the 2 and 3 would be inverted. It seems to me that facing opposite direction of train would be more nauseous than facing the direction of train directly, thus being more important than sitting close to window.

  • @kuidelu
    @kuidelu2 жыл бұрын

    I've heard in martial arts dojo, at the contrary, the most skilled students are closer to the door cause they are more able to defend themself. Is it true?

  • @gizelop8481
    @gizelop84812 жыл бұрын

    Also what about status of the space if a woman is present, where and how would the woman be sited?

  • @Sunny-ld4nn
    @Sunny-ld4nn2 жыл бұрын

    Shogo, I saw your katana video recently, and as wondering if you're interested in talking about bigger swords like the Odachi

  • @williamgallop9425
    @williamgallop94252 жыл бұрын

    How to comit seppuku in correct way?

  • @hm4908
    @hm49082 жыл бұрын

    This could be a really funny prank Imagine if ur with older people from work or sth And u guys want to drink So u guys go and take a seat and u take the higher position chair Then you just have to look at their faces and see how shocked they’ll be 😂

  • @Marcoshary
    @Marcoshary2 жыл бұрын

    Why in 8:23 numbers 2 and 3 are in those positions if "left is superior"? Is that because of the door?

  • @starbutterfly4860

    @starbutterfly4860

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @rhythmandacoustics
    @rhythmandacoustics2 жыл бұрын

    How about a room with multiple doors?

  • @artorios2320
    @artorios23202 жыл бұрын

    Yeah , I watched Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan