To think that there is a rule that works for everything is the real problem, there isn't. Not even the dynamic symmetry, even though it's better that the rule of thirds in a lot of ways. They all have their uses and one should learn as many techniques as possible. I like that the video shows many techniques, I'll definitely be using some that I hadn't seen before

If I see something through my lens and like the way it looks, I shoot a pic. .... that pretty much is my rule of composition.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

The TexPat in Saigon thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

On the grid overlaying the photos of the 10 celebrity women there are 25 line intersections, 6 60 degree slanting lines, 12 30 degree slanting lines, 8 vertical lines and two horisontal lines, not counting the border. With a grid comprised of 63 discreete elements I would be very surprised if one could not shoehorn most pictures into having lots of 'good composition' elements. When you add circular, golden ratio, wavy styles of good comp (as describe in video) I suspect all pictures would include so many aspects that could be considered good comp that we must now consider ALL pictures as masterfully composed. ;)

@frauirmabunt

7 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. It would be like trying to teach song writing by analysing famous songs. You can't teach this stuff!

@elsagrace3893

4 жыл бұрын

SheepWaveMeByeBye exactly. These BS rules are just to give confidence to those who aren’t very good at what they do. They need to rely on outer rules rather than inner conviction from their own senses.

@mfreeman313

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. There's no secret system. All the compositional guidelines are well known and have been used for thousands of years. The greats use them, or break them, with more inspiration and verve. There's no secret system. They have a surer taste, a sense of where they're going, and they know when a thing works or doesn't. If we want to grow ourselves we have to strengthen those abilities too. Did I mention there's no secret system?

So many people have had their feels hurt by this video. People are coming up with excuses for the ROT because they’re pissed that they've been using it their whole lives and you just uncovered why they're still taking the same crap photos they've been taking since they read that one book about photography a million years ago. Take the tip people or don't but arguing for ROT is just counter productive. If you use the ROT then good for you. He's going out of his way to give you insight on something you may have not known. Take it as that, a lesson on composition.

@IPOXstudios

5 жыл бұрын

Leo Reyes wow, thanks so much for the great comment and support! You completely understand what I’m trying to do. Thank you!🙏🏼

@noelkitonga

4 жыл бұрын

Some guys have been so triggered by it and are acting all entitled in defending ROT to their last breath. Throwing all kinds of storms, its just hilarious.Sorry your bubbles got popped.

Good video. However, I personally don't think the 'rule' of thirds should be abandoned. It is a tool to use, amongst many. The problem is when people think it's the only tool, or it's 'the' tool... when it's just 'a' tool, to have in your box a tricks, and to be used in certain situations.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Shane Salter unfortunately the majority of instructors teach it as the best and only rule without mentioning how important it is to have a clear figure-ground relationship...what is behind the subject is very important for the subject to be seen with clarity. Plus, there's not a pleasing point on any canvas or photo. It all depends on the foreground, background, and how the other elements help create unity, movement, and visual clarity. Take care!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Mojo-Andy Pictures that's great to hear, thanks for the comment!

@folchandre

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was about to comment. Just because there is some bad teacher around misleading their pupils to think the rule of thirds is the only rule to be considered doesn't mean that the rule of thirds should be abandoned or diminished its importance. Yes, it's a very important GUIDE for an artist and not, at all, a horrible tool as he put it.

@CSMoviePhoto

3 жыл бұрын

I have never heard a teacher present a single rule in composing images.

@TheMrRatzz

3 жыл бұрын

People "teach the rule of thirds" as the laziest way to shoot something, and to use on someone who seems mildly impressed.

Rule of thirds is nothing more than an over simplified version of dynamic symmetry. You don't have to reject the rule of thirds.. Just use the full arsenal of rules that are provided to you instead of a tiny small part of them.

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective! :)

@rubenlaurentiu90

4 жыл бұрын

@Matches Malone who is?

@CSMoviePhoto

3 жыл бұрын

You're right, you could never wait 1 hour to make a composition unless you're paid to take that picture and no more. Second, if you look closely at the images, you will end up recognizing that they all include the so-called third rule or symmetry. In fact, the "rule" is a finding of eye-catching images as a human reaction.

As an art major, I should have known all this but it was never taught properly. Thanks for the video! that's great information.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Kairis thank you for the nice comment, I'm glad some of the content will help your art. Take care!

I don't think I've read any article that said the rule of thirds was the end all and be all of compositions. It's probably the quickest tip to pick up that will make the biggest impact for people who don't know any composition who shoot everything in the center. You gotta start somewhere from knowing nothing. And it sounds like you started there too and look how far you've come.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Ma Thanks for the comment! I used it, but had to pull myself out of a rut. If I had started out by using the dynamic symmetry grid first, then I would have something to build upon. The rule of thirds grid left me at a dead end. The majority of the people teaching the rule of thirds, don't mention anything about incorporating it with other techniques. They tell us all that "it will make our images more pleasing," so we do it. "It will create more tension and move the eye around the image," so we do it. I drank the rule of thirds kool-aid like everyone, but then I stopped to think "why." Why does it move the eye around the image? How does it create more tension? How does it make it more pleasing? As I researched and studied design, I found out that it doesn't do any of these things. It puts your subject on a certain point, that's it. Just like how people say you should eat chicken noodle soup if you have a cold. "It's good for your cold" they say. But if we stop to think "why", then we'll find out that they were talking about the homemade chicken soup from back in the day. The kind grandma would make with fresh garlic and pepper, and chicken, etc. The fresh stuff is what helps your cold, not the canned stuff made by Cambell's. That's why we have to think for ourselves, when something is so mainstream and repeated. We have to stop and think if it's even as good as it seems, and how we got to this point :)

@Anomaly.Filmworks

5 жыл бұрын

another problem this kid has is that ROT isn't about the main subject, it's about the ENTIRE image. ROT is an after-thought. Using the 5 basic rules of composition aligned with ROT will help create a better image. This kid here is kind of a jackass and a scrub.

@elsagrace3893

4 жыл бұрын

Tavis Leaf Glover where were your eyes and other senses the whole time you were relying on the rule of thirds?

The Rule of Thirds is and will forever remain the golden way to create basic visual interest and drama. If the human mind naturally seeks symmetry in everything the ROT is a subtle way of upsetting that and pulling the viewer subconsciously. We don't need to try to kill it, I dont think we can even, we may enhance and build around it.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! You repeated one of the myths I talked about in the video. Have you stopped to dig deep and prove to yourself why you think it creates visual interest and drama? This would be beneficial to your art. The upset you're referring to is pictorial imbalance...not usually a desirable technique to incorporate into a remarkable piece of art. ROT is referred to as a beginner tool, but it's misleading beginners and developing bad habits. It's not a tool we should build around. It's like a marathon runner saying that they are going to build their technique around crawling. Even if beginner artists are introduced to ROT, they should discard it for the fact that it's a beginner tool and will not allow them to progress. You're right though, I don't think we can kill ROT, but I'll keep trying :) Take care!

"There is no better composition than the one created by intuition." Alex Ramos-Trujillo

@LordThanathos

7 жыл бұрын

Are you... Quoting yourself? Dear God.

@Taichientaoyin

4 жыл бұрын

@Matches Malone hahahahaha

@onlinescammer8291

4 жыл бұрын

"That's deep, bro." -Online Scammer

@blankplanet1476

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but intuition doesn't come from nowhere. It comes from thinking and practicing.

@BosketBosket

3 жыл бұрын

Ervin Arnold I was about to say the same hahahahahahaa

I've watched several of your videos the past two hours. I've felt like I've been at a dead end creatively. I've been dissatisfied with the rule of thirds for a long time. You've opened up my mind and my creativity. Thank you.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Mario Warren thanks for the nice comment! I'm so happy to hear that the info in my videos is lighting a fire inside of you :D I felt the same way when I discovered these techniques being used by the master painters. Eye opening stuff!

I like all his suggestions. I actually have been using some of them, specially the Gestalt Technic. Just Don't abandone or kill R.O.T. Take it along with like a one of the tools in your photography bag. Photographers, most often, capture fleeting moments, and the rule of thirds is appropriately the most simple composition technic to apply in such instances. Unless the photographer is creating a concept shot. He’s trying to compare painting work with photography work. Painting is a planned and a very control art endeavor. Photography is mostly not. Again, the R.O.T. is, in my opinion, the right composition technic in most photography work. So don’t abandone or kill R.O.T. It’s is still a very useful technic. IMO

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the comment, and thanks for watching! Everyone will have their own opinions...whatever works best for them in the end is great :D

Wow, this was realy an eye opener for me... Thanks a lot!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching!

"Like many other artist's, I don't understand when to use apostrophe's."

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Davidson Haha, thanks! I admit I made a typo, but there's no way I'm rendering/uploading this video for an apostrophe. It's far less painful to take my beatings on the web ;)

@dearestwhite

8 жыл бұрын

Fair point. Doesn't take away from the content. Solid stuff.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Andrew Davidson Thanks for that, much appreciated!

New level, unlocked. I'm so glad I stumbled across this video! Definitely going to subscribe!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the nice comment and the subscribe!

This is a wonderful video! THANK YOU :D

Rule of thirds is just one method of composition, and it is the easiest to remember which is why it is used so much. Many of what you have described are not as easy to recognise especially for beginners. The dynamic symmetry method you promote comes from the golden ratio.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Roberts thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

Great video. I can't wait to dive deeper into your stuff, looks extremely useful.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you found the info useful!

Very well explained. Thank you for your video!

is a great video ! open up my eyes to other composition - thanks.

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

wow wow wow! thank you very much. i've been wondering why my illustrations feel so mehhh... i'll watch more of your vids! i want to learn! this information is more than gold to me. so helpful. sharing to my friends. mehehehe... thank you... :)

@IPOXstudios

5 жыл бұрын

sheen ponce glad you like the video :D thanks for the nice comment!

this is by far the most convenient video that I've ever watched on youtube, thank you!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

marah abdullah thanks for the nice comment, I'm really happy that you find it so useful :)

Superb video. Thanks for sharing this. It is exactly what I've been looking for to fill in that gap in my art education. Going to check out your site and materials. Cheers.

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

ART 13 thank you for watching, I appreciate the nice words :D

I friggin' love this! Thank you! As an artist and a photographer sometimes, dammit, I want the subject in the middle to catch your eye! Sharing this with all my friends!

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Elaine Flournoy haha sounds great! Thanks for watching and sharing with your friends! Take care

Thanks for this. I had been wondering about the limited ness of the rule of thirds also. Subscribed

@IPOXstudios

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome, thanks for watching!

Loved this video, combining this with motivated camera movement, this works for filmmaking too ❤

wow. liberating. i loved this. thank you.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the nice comment, I'm glad you found this video! :D Take care!

SO glad I found you. I learned some of this from studying Leonardo, but finding modern day people who understand ... It took weeks to find you. Bravo on every point you make (no pun intended). If I could afford the course I'd take it...but I'm gleaning what I can and APPRECIATE YOU greatly. Already knowing Leonardo at a high level, and having known about gestalt from my psych degree, I can follow what you say ... thinking "thank God somebody is doing this."

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the really nice comment, I appreciate that! :D I'm glad you found my channel too. So cool to hear that you understand Leonardo as well as the Gestalt principles. Very nice!

Wow! Mind blowing video. Thanks for opening my eyes. I am so grateful for this video.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

M A thanks for watching!

wonderful really thanks indeed for the knowledge

Wow..I just watches a video on the rule of thirds ....and then came across yours ..so glad i did..thanks for sharing!!

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks man, this is great. I had a feeling something was up but never further delved into it. When I saw this video suggestion clicked right away and was not disappointed. I was getting very little returns with this rule as of late, felt confined by it and now I know why. Awesome!

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

I felt the same exact way about ROT! :D Thanks for watching and commenting! Take care :)

I've been studing photography for 4 years now, and this is the best composition video I've seen so far!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

That's amazing to hear, thank you for the nice comment!

Best photography video I have a have watched in a very long time. Brilliant. Thank you. This should be a pinned post on any discussion about composition.

@IPOXstudios

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate that! Glad you liked the video😄

@JennyGavinWear

Жыл бұрын

@IPOXstudios been preaching the same! I guess too much is aimed at the lcd, and gas lol

great compilation! it really helped a lot!

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Javier “JaviSArt” Santos That's awesome to hear, thank you!

Thank you so much for your sharing it’s great information

@IPOXstudios

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

When I first started watching the video I thought, "OK. Another know-it-all who wants to be different for the sake of being different", but I carried on watching anyway and I'm glad I did. I still wouldn't rule out the rule of thirds entirely (see what I did there? Rule out the rule? Erm ... No? Oh well. Carry on.). I still think that in some cases it made some of my pics look more interesting, but this video made me realise, that I need to get more into Gestalt psychology techniques. Thx a bunch and keep up the good work! 👍🏼😉

@IPOXstudios

5 жыл бұрын

Jens Graikowski it’s great to here your take on things, thanks for watching and commenting! Yes, I see what you did there 😂

This videos are gold, your content is helping me alot (trying to be an illustrator) ! Thanks a bunch

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Great to hear, thanks for the nice comment! Please share with your artistic friends :D Best of luck with your illustrations!

Well, as an artist for many decades I was duped. Love this video! Very thought provoking. I am on a quest! Thanks Travis!

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Broussard great to hear, thanks for watching!

Thank you for the video. I'm going to teach a class about composition and Design and I just got so much good info to share with the kids.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Martha Javnozon that's great to hear, thanks for the comment! And thanks for sharing this info with the kids :)

I’m not a trained artist only a handful of workshops over the years... always thought ROT was constricting. My best art, the ones I really like and would buy myself use the dynamic you are defining...love it!

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

barbara younger thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! I’m glad you’re not constricting yourself and using other techniques. Take care!

I just got a lot more respect and understanding for art and artists after your insights in the complexity of composition. As a programmer, I always thought that composition and proportions came naturally with artists. I never knew about all of these concepts, and how well they're implemented in great artworks. Thank you for making this, for the first time I want to learn more about art :)

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the nice comment, I'm glad you found the video! Best of luck!

This was great! Thank you for this content!

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Glad to help, thanks!

Travis, R.O.T. is simply a tool to help people learn that there are more exciting ways of taking photographs. It is only one of the "rules", that are most often used in concert with each other, to help young artists understand ways they can affect the outcome of their own work. Yes, we realize you are at a point in your photographic life where you do not have to rely on any "rules" and I applaud you for that but to deny a young, and age has nothing to do with this, artist ways of understanding their role in creating a less stagnant photograph than the snapshots they take to document a person, time, or event in their life could stifle a promising artist. Yes, it's still alright to take snapshots as I still do to this day, but to trash talk a tool to expand someone's artistic voice is, in my opinion, irresponsible.

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Joseph Hnat thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

@nucleargandhi

Жыл бұрын

@@IPOXstudios not even an apology smh. same ol shitty corporate response

A lot of this seems to be your own opinion. I disagreed with a lot of what you’ve said and I don’t mean to ruffle any feathers. The centre of an image is frowned Olin because it then qualifies as the main and only subject to be seen.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

George A. Raggett thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. You’re right, I add a lot of my own opinions in the video. I also add my own negative experience with the rule of thirds and share alternative techniques for creating remarkable art. In regards to center compositions, is that what you were taught, or is that from your own experience. You should check out Brooke Shaden’s photos. Almost all of them are center compositions and amazing. The center is a great place to start, especially for beginners that don’t have a sense of good pictorial balance. I’m not sure where that comes from...to not use the center. Also, rot promotes imbalance and excessive negative space. You’re definitely not ruffling any feathers. The majority seems to disagree because it’s new information and they are skeptical. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t dig deeper and see if there’s value to be found. I’m here to help, and I enjoy sharing these masterful techniques with serious artists that are open-minded. Take care!

I've been painting seriously for 8 years and I just recently discovered this course. I cannot possibly explain how much the content that Tavis has created means to me. It is as if I was painting haphazardly and now I can see. Composition has always been one of my weaker areas, but I understand now that this is because I approached it without theory, I was relying on intuition and incomplete rules. It's like trying to learn colors without color theory. Sure, you can get somewhere with it, but intuition can only get you so far when there is a true science behind it. My current work in progress I had already digitally designed, ready to put to paint. But I decided to go over and analyze it with this new knowledge I am accruing, and strengthen it where I could, and it's startling how much better the new composition looks. And I didn't scrap it and begin anew, or change it dramatically, I just adjusted things with a more learned eye. Before, the composition looked pretty good, but now... there is beautiful order hidden in the chaos. It makes so much more sense. I feel like this has unlocked potential in my art I would have never realized on my own. I truly recommend it.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Daniel Dust huge thanks for all of the support!! I'm so happy to hear that the new knowledge is giving you the edge you need to surpass to the next level...to look at your old work, make a subtle tweak, and improve the visual impact. So awesome to hear, thank you for sharing your experience! Your paintings are already amazing, so I can't wait to see where your artistic journey leads you next!

Wonderful piece! As a new artist I'm so happy you shared the myth buster! Back to the drawing board. I will be reviewing this more than once, great insights and technical advice!

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the nice comment! Glad you found the video. Best of luck with your new artistic journey!

Great video, thanks for sharing

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching!

Thank you Travis for this information. I took a few courses in college and never took Art Theory nor studied the greats. I'm aware of them but never studied them. I only heard last week of the "Rule Of Thirds" and found, as an artist without rules and boundaries to be a bit cumbersome. Then I watched this program and found your examples to tutorial to be much more acknowledged by myself. I have never applied any rule to my paintings and did not know I was breaking any. I do know that what I have been painting has found a market. I know not why. My latest subject was just sold to a movie star. Interesting. Thanks for the lessons. I will give this a try.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

PINE MEADOWS HOBBY FARM A Frugal Homestead thanks for watching and congrats on your sale! The techniques work when studied and applied. Best of luck!

Wow, you've just opened my eyes completely.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Jovasaurus Rex That's great to hear! Thanks for the nice comment :D

Very interesting, thank you.

I first saw this video a year or two ago. I really appreciate what you're doing here. I've been teaching photography to 7th-12th graders for ten years, and have always struggled with how to approach the rule of thirds, which I've never been fond of. The problem is it's a part of the state standards I'm supposed to teach. For a few years I just didn't teach it, but my school has really cracked down on sticking to standards since then. Now I generally go out of my way to point out its flaws, or else I do a cursory explanation and then encourage the kids to look for more meaningful composition methods. I think the only thing in this video that I slightly disagree with is regarding the point about how it's no better for beginners than other methods. That is probably true for adult beginners, buy my experience in a public school setting is that kids really comprehend the ROT intuitively, but struggle with other methods at first. I've found it useful as a simple example of what it means to use an organizing principle in composition. We do learn a variety of other techniques, including Gestalt concepts and dynamic symmetry, but since I have to teach the ROT, that's how I approach it.

@IPOXstudios

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! It's unfortunate that it's required to teach in schools, but I'm glad to hear you're giving the students added knowledge. You might also like this new video which helps explain things simply, and could help you explain easier. Take care! kzread.info/dash/bejne/p4ilt9N9j7ewcdo.html

Very cool video, thank you!

@IPOXstudios

5 жыл бұрын

Ahmad Al-Khateeb you’re welcome! Thanks for watching!

Wow - I needed this. Thank you so much for making this video. It would be cool if you could give some content on how to use the rules that you are mentioning in your video.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad you like the video! I have a blog full of detailed info and over 100 articles are free. A book, plus videos available too. Check out my channel and site...you'll find a lot of stuff to help out. Take care! :)

My professor just told me that my painting's good but it's static so i looked up composition videos and literally stumbled upon this video exactly after finishing a video about the rule of thirds, I'm speechless gonna take ur advice and it'll be for the best hopefully

@IPOXstudios

5 жыл бұрын

pokki styne thanks for watching! I’m glad you found the video, the techniques mentioned will definitely help you make art that is far from static. Take care!

Thank you so much, this video is very helpful for me. I've been stuck with always just thinking of rule of thirds. And i´ve always wondered how the masters make such a great compositions, specially with lots of people or objects in the frame.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Joona Ikonen You're welcome! I was in the same boat, so I'm glad I can bring attention to better techniques.

Thanks for this. I'm going to have to take another look at some of my pictures.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Justin Trovrt you're welcome, thanks for the comment!

Watched a few of your vids now. Sub'd, fascinating. Good Luck with your channel.

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. Thanks a ton for the support, I appreciate it!

Thanks! This video definitely opened my eyes to more options and decisions in composition. I do for a while have realized the plateau that has come in framing and composition. And I think this will really challenge me further to create art with a broader level of sophistication and thought. I do have to say however that I don't believe that the rule of thirds should die. I think in a sea of terrible photographers, the rule of thirds could introduce to them to the idea of composition and its importance; that there are relationships between points, spaces, and lines. But it should definitely be taught subsequently that it's not a "one size fits most" and many ways to convey emotions and ideas through the various techniques you've mentioned.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the nice comment, I'm glad it will help you surpass your plateau. Please share with other artists you know, it might help them too ;) best of luck on your new path!

mind blown ! Thanks for the vid c:

Thanks for that excellent video - too many artists get so hung up on the rule of thirds that they forget to be creative - i was forced to be stuck in that rut while taking formal photography classes - my work was so predictable and dull. The rule of thirds in not a compostional tool is a just crutch for those who want a canned way of doing things instead of putting in time & effort to become a true artist

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, I'm glad you were able to watch the video. You are speaking words of wisdom! :) Thank you!

You've made some really good points. I've seen others realize there's more to composition than the rule of thirds and decide that means the rule of thirds is an evil hoax perpetrated on artists to confound their genius. The next level of enlightenment will be realizing that gestalt, like the rule of thirds, is a system (admittedly more sophisticated) that has value in some applications and not others, but is still not a silver bullet answer to the question of how to be a master of masters. If you follow the same pattern, the reaction to that will be to begin insisting that the idea of composition itself is a hoax, perpetrated to confine and confound the creativity of master geniuses like me. Eventually we all come to the realization that there are no masters, only students. Enjoy the journey. Peace.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

bthphoto thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

thanks for sharing. great vid

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+zemiFTW You're welcome, thanks for watching. Please share and let's change the future of art! :D

Thank you for this information! Please keep it up! as someone who lives in a country who does not have access to these types of information means a whole lot!

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

thank you so much for this video.. I am not a photographer or artist. but I always egar to know :)

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

muhaimin chowdhury that's awesome thanks for the comment!

Great video with some excellent points. However, a child doesn't learn math by jumping into geometry and trigonometry. They begin by simply understanding shapes. You are really doing a disservice to something that is the cornerstone of beginning composition. Yay, it's wonderful you have advanced knowledge and can look down your nose at those not sophisticated enough to understand the nuances that create more "Artistic" photographs. This is akin to a college professor teaching an elementary school lesson and scoffing at the child for not understanding when in truth, it is the professor who is failing to recognize the disparity in knowledge and adjust the lesson plan accordingly.

I feel like this video just saved my art... I was kind of getting into the habit of applying the rule of thirds to almost every image and the composition always ended up looking boring and generic. Thank you for making this video I now feel more comfortable again experimenting with composition!

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

Ninaha Kazuko I'm so happy to hear that the video has created a new path for you :) thanks for watching and commenting!

Thank you.good point.more confusion,but makes sense.will have to study nature and eye contact perspective to the next level. vik

@IPOXstudios

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting, take care!

Bravo!!!! I work at the Angel Academy of Art, Florence, and we teach our third-year students pictorial composition and how to use Dynamic Symmetry. All designers work with a grid, but a grid will not COMPOSE your painting: it helps the artist fine-tune the placements. Pictorial composition uses fugues, counterpoint, parallels (as you point out), value schemes on which one hangs hue schemes, a unifying field, the introduction of an anomaly, field colour, mother colour, colour chords, etc. The simple Rule of Thirds (which is a tiny part of the Basic Armature) is for incompetant amateurs (as you imply). I can't resist adding that there are no rules in art, there are principles. If I do this, this will result; if I do that. that will result. These principles are how colour works, and how placement works-there is no way around these principles, just as there is no way around dying if you jump off a skyscraper without any safety devices. I am going to have our full-time students (there are 60 of them) watch your brilliant video.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I’ve heard of your Academy through the videos of Cesar Santos, congratulations on all of your successes and for nurturing the art community with quality knowledge. I was always curious of what type of composition methods they were teaching in refined art schools, so thank you for confirming the use of dynamic symmetry and other principles. I completely agree with you...principles, not rules. Also, thanks for sharing the video with your students, I appreciate it! Take care!

@BrunoChalifour

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree with you Michael, excpet for the "brilliant" part of the video. It is well-documented (unsufficiently in some areas though), shows a lot of work and interesting ideas but far too normative and absolute for my taste. ;o)

Finally there's someone talking about the imbalance created by rule of thirds when the background is neglected in compositions. An informally balanced image is more 'pleasing' according to my observations. And sticking to one technique can damage your creativity so learn all the rules and Break Them !

Thanks for your support! Great tips man

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Deyvid Américo thanks, glad you liked the video!

Great video, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Looks like I have some studying to do :)

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for the comment!

I am starting from the rule of third and yes i was confused after drawing the lines : ))) so true. Thank you for your amazing video : D

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Loso Losi Thanks for watching and commenting. Best of luck!

I'm a photographer, and literally I use the Rule of Thirds just to make sure my subject is in the middle when I want them to be.

Thank you for creating this video.

I have been enlightened. The revolution has begun.

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes!!

I have learned and read about photography composition; however when I take a picture I don't visualize lines, I simply visualize what I like and place it in the way I like it.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! You're better off that way as opposed to trapping yourself with thirds points. If you make sure you pay attention to figure-ground relationship you'll be off to a great start. Capturing an image based on your taste does have limits though. You'll have to continue to practice and learn techniques to continually improve. Take care!

You are right, using or at least thinking about how to apply other ways of seeing can benefit our work but it is nice that we have so many options at our hand when needed. Certainly when working quickly (in a thumbnail) the rule of thirds is nice to have on hand. Upon review, it may be revealed that another tool (the arabesque) may create more interest and serve better . It is the Arsenal we artists need, not a rigid unbreakable rule.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

alphotheone thanks for the comment! It's great that you are keeping an open mind to these new techniques:)

I have stumbled upon gold ! Thank you.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome, thanks for watching!

Thank you, I have often wondered about this because I am always breaking the rule.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

M Winter thanks for watching and commenting! It’s a rule that is misleading artists so I’m glad you’re breaking free of it. Take care!

thanks :) the rule of third theory is a shortcut which resembles what musicians know as "functional harmony" An easy tool (in the intentions) for everything: if you seek for it hard enough you will always find a way to justify a composition with it. Something in the image will drop right on the line, or intersection. true. As well as any chord is somehow functionally related to the previous. it's like watching something though a few holes. you will se only what is in the holes. THANK you a lot: I was already fighting it. I guess I will just let it go. like I did with functional harmony :)

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

Oh i LOVE YOU, so many photographers rely on the ROT way too much, on a certain photography website i am on, probably 90% of the images that get the most votes are composed using the rule of thirds, and the images are so flipping boring, so boring, no real thought gone into them apart from "lets split the image into 9 sections, and only take advantage of a small part of the image"... Needless to say, you have a new subscriber now lol good work, very good work, look forward to seeing your other videos!

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you for the nice comment! Great to hear that a lot of us are on the same page!

I am happy I never learned the rule of thirds, but you have explained other techniques which were explained to me without the proper terminology. Pls make another video.

I've been using RoT since I started learning photography, that is ~10 years now. It has always been a comfy way of composing my shots. But I think the more important thing about it is - and it scares me - that it's very addictive. Today, I ended up putting the perfect RoT composition OVER the actual subject. And for a long time I knew it somewhere in the deepest parts of my consciousness. Your video just helped me really realize that. Thank you!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Mateusz Gawliński you're welcome, I had a hard time breaking the habit too! :) thanks for the comment!

Really interesting video!

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I agree that we should avoid cropping photos in post production but since Lightroom allows you to overlay more options than just the rule of thirds grid that might just be a way to learn from your mistakes. Let's say you use the dynamic symmetry overlay when cropping, that might be a good way to visualize it and then apply it the next time you go out shooting. After all the masters didn't create their masterpieces on the first try either. Thanks for helping me break out of the rule of thirds.

@IPOXstudios

6 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching and commenting! :D

Wow, I thought I had one thing to learn, now much more to learn. I need a drink, thank god I have one.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, cheers!

I largely agree. Reading about gestalt is one of the very best things one can do if interested in creating visual art. I would hold off a tad about rule of thirds. The advice I would give is that the rule of thirds only really works when it is acting in conjunction with multiple other composition techniques or devices. The rule of thirds, with odd numbers, leading lines, colour complements and dynamic contrast can be powerful,..but as a basic piece of advice for people who are willing to explore deeper techniques..yeah..let go of rule of thirds. It is good to know, but it is far from the only technique.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

david neville thanks for sharing your thoughts! I’m glad you know the value of Gestalt psychology principles and that one technique combined with others will make a better composition. You know my feelings on rot though 😆 take care!

Love this!!!

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Rikki Rockett's Legend Tripping thanks for watching!

i think you missed the point of the rule of thirds. The rule of thirds gets you started, all the other forms of composition you listed are equally as valid if not more advanced forms of the rule of thirds

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

@elsagrace3893

4 жыл бұрын

And none of them are a guarantee of a pleasing painting 😂

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Matches Malone thanks, I’m glad I’m not the only one that notices the defensiveness of a rule😄

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Here’s something from another comment that might help: You’re right, we can’t rely on just one principle to create a nice composition. We have to use tools that will help us progress, not lead us into bad habits. For instance, if a young 3yr old wants to be a champion cyclist when they grow up they should start training on a bike with training wheels rather than a big wheel. A young child that wants to grow up to be an excellent pianist should start on a full sized piano with 88 keys rather than a toy keyboard. Starting with the right tool allows us to build upon what we’ve already learned rather than backtracking and starting over. The rule of thirds is like a big wheel or toy keyboard. It’s being taught to beginners, but it leads them to relying on it for a “pleasing” composition when all it’s doing is getting the subject out of the center and creating imbalance, excessive negative space, and generic compositions. Then it’s being taught that we can break the rules. What’s the point of learning it if it’s not needed when we progress our skills? Yet, we can find some pros still using this beginner tool and creating lackluster compositions. They never progress their compositions past rot and leading lines...that doesn’t have to be the case if they are open-minded and willing to learn. Nice lighting and wardrobe won’t save a horrible composition. I think it would be more beneficial if the art community would use techniques they could apply their entire art career, like a musician uses a metronome or a carpenter used a measuring tape. Start with quality tools we can build upon rather than with something that can be detrimental to our growth. Just because everyone is using the rule of thirds and it’s being taught in schools doesn’t mean it’s worth adding to your toolbox. This is called social proof and it can cloud the judgement of people that aren’t able to dig deeper into the topic...look at the Jonestown Massacre for an extreme example of social proof. Rot is being taught because it’s easy to teach, not because it’s an excellent means of composition. Sorry about the rant😄 as a teacher I’m up against skepticism and defensiveness in every other comment, but I feel it’s my job to try and reach the student and ask them to dig a little deeper, maybe try some techniques for themselves and see if they are BS or worthy of adding to the toolbox. Take care!

@rachidjaen5097

4 жыл бұрын

@@IPOXstudios I think you are right in saying that we should always explain that this rule of thirds is only as you say a watered down simplification of the golden ratio, and also, that it MUST be teached in combination with the balance rule. I must say anyway, that art education is not only for those who want to become great artists, is also for those who enjoy art in a museum or a gallery, but are not studying it as a career. Those people are very important, they are our clients. Those advanced rules, must be learned, starting with the golden ratio by art students, but this kind of basic topics are used in education to explain something so difficult and abstract in a simpler manner.

Excellent video... very interesting and helpful points! I can tell you've read a lot on the topic of Gestalt but haven't actually heard anyone pronounce it ;) I agree that strict adherence to the rule of thirds can stifle creativity. In its defense however, the one good thing about the rule is that it helps absolute beginners break away from thinking they need to centre everything in the frame. Once past this point though, it shouldn't be as much of a consideration as some would have us believe.

@IPOXstudios

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Yes, I'll admit that my pronunciation of German or French words is a challenge :P You're correct, it does help them get the subject out of the center...that is probably it's main function. Unfortunately it's being taught in a different manner that leads artists down a dead end road creating cookie cutter, amateur compositions like everyone else. I think a better technique to be mainstream would be figure-ground relationship because it allows us to understand the play between the foreground and background without being restricted to a particular crosshair :D ROT has brainwashed us into thinking we need to put our subject somewhere specific for it be pleasing. Ugh, I could go on and on! haha! Thanks again for the comment and understanding. Take care!

This was an interesting take on the rule of thirds. 'll admit it helped me to see some of its limits some I've known others were less obvious. Either way i believe the rule of thirds should be used as a tool not a crutch and abandoning it seems a little to dramatic. Also your methods could be seen as tools as well. And because they are tools you should use the right tool for the job and not every tool works for everyone. So I'm glad you brought this to many peoples attention. If they can learn from your methods that's great. If they learn the limits of the rules of thirds that's great as well. If they don't take any information away from this that's OK as well. Photography should be about portraying what you see and what makes an image great to you and you portray that to others so how ever you want to portray that is great. Though i do have to say your opinion is a little forced but that's fine since it is your opinion.

Great work! Appreciate the breakdowns and it's definitely sparked me to go more deeply in to composition :D Would you be open to doing a live podcast to our audience about this stuff?

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Just 2 Guys Creative Thank you! Yes, that sounds like fun, and I'd love to share this information with more artists. Please email me more details when you can. Take care! www.ipoxstudios.com/contact/

I really found your article and this video useful for understanding certain fundamentals I had no clue about. Although for Whistler's mother, the "edge flicker" actually works as a counterpart to the painting on the left. Without the edge flicker there's too much contrast on the center (painting) and your eyes don't go towards the right ( towards her face). The edge flicker pulls our have towards the right leading to the face.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

Deeganto Joardar thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! Sounds like you’re grasping design techniques and composition nicely. Take care!

the Ann Leibovits picture of the models is constructed as a triptych with applied rule of thirds in each sections.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

coach Mario thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

ROT is usually specific to photography because most of the time we can not build the perfect shot, It's a saving grace. Feature film use 1/3 all the time it's an easy way to direct eye line. Instagram 1x1 center punch duh internet. Wide angle, symmetrical Stanley Kubrick. It depends on the composition, how much time you have, how much light you have etc. Don't rule out ROT so easily.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

dhdoctors thanks for sharing your thoughts! You’re right, time does play a big part in how involved the composition can be. If someone is short on time, they should pay attention to figure-ground relationship(FGR)...not rot. Placement of the subject is pointless if it’s not properly balanced in the frame and they aren’t clearly separated from the background. Check out FGR, it will benefit your art much more than rot. Take care!

Thanks for giving me a definition for the compositional habits I have been using naturally for years. I could never bent to that rule of thirds! Hugs, cat

@catyeah8592

4 жыл бұрын

BTW...amazing the pushback you got.

@IPOXstudios

4 жыл бұрын

cat yeah thanks for watching, I’m glad the definitions will help you use the techniques even more. Yes, the pushback is mind boggling...it’s related to the ego defending itself instead of being open minded like yourself. Take care!

Thank you! I will definitely try to move away from rule of thirds

@IPOXstudios

8 жыл бұрын

+Steven You're welcome! It's not easy (wasn't for me), but it can be done :D

Brutal...! Subscribed

@IPOXstudios

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!