You were right about the little lock in the back. Upon firing, the G-Forces from the launch acts to set back the lock, freeing the rolleron. There is an exact amount of tension on it that gets tested frequently to make sure they still release. I get to work on these missiles all the time in the USAF.

@spicy110

9 жыл бұрын

Arrr cool! Logic prevails!

@ki4tlf

3 жыл бұрын

461? I was a 462.

@DeadEyeAkc1992

3 жыл бұрын

@@ki4tlf yes sir! Called a 2W0x1 now. But we keep that 461 heritage alive. It ends up on most of our flags, coins, and patches

@ki4tlf

3 жыл бұрын

@@UHK-Reaper LOL I forgot that the changed them. Dating my self.

@davidjones8942

3 жыл бұрын

What keeps the cute little gyroscopic stabilizer from preventing the missile from turning to "seek" the heat source?

I can finally understand how that works. CD didn't explain it very well. This video just randomly popped up in my feed too.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

Dude I have been watching your videos since the pellet guns and toys, amazing to see you here. 🙂 I am going to do an update to this and work out the rpm.

@taofledermaus

3 жыл бұрын

@@spicy110 Lol! In case no one has suggested it, an optical tachometer they use to for RC airplanes would probably work well. Just put a piece of white tape on the wheel. They are cheap too.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

I have already tried that one but as the wheel is silver it reflects too much, I can't get it apart (they glued those screws in) to paint the wheel black, so I am going to do it with frezency and math. 😃

@taofledermaus

3 жыл бұрын

@@spicy110 What about a black marker to make a stripe?

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

That might work, however the sound this should be really accurate...IF the app works right. 🙂

When they're brand new they'll spin forever. I think if you disassemble it and clean up the bearings, you'll be even more surprised just how fast they spin. The AIM-9, in the beginning, had a habit of not detonating properly, however, it was so accurate that it has severely crippled and even splashed a few by simply slamming into the target without even detonating! In fact, that's how the Soviets got their little red hands on one after it stuck into a Chinese MIG!

@mikerodix4800

Жыл бұрын

The original fidget spinner

@gnarlock3927

Жыл бұрын

That's awesome haha too bad they didn't get their Darwin award when dislodging from the MIG

The bearings sound a bit rough, but then, this isn't really meant to run a long time :)

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

check the pinned comment i made a new on it video I bet you will like it 🙂

@karabinjr

3 жыл бұрын

aren’t they running any time it flies on the wing?..

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

@@karabinjr no I have learnt they are held still with a band that comes off at launch.

@tomhewitt8017

2 жыл бұрын

Only the once ideally

@rattletrap43

Жыл бұрын

One time flight. 😂

"[...] work out what RPM that thing is going" That rolleron looks like it has 24 "teeth". Using an audio spectrometer the strongest frequency when it spins up is just shy of 6kHz (5930 Hz). If that source is from the teeth spinning by, divide by 24 teeth to get RPS, then multiply by 60 to get RPM. In this case, 14825 RPM. As you say, it's going chuffing quickly.

@UltraBadass

3 жыл бұрын

Is it just me or is everything air powered high rpm except for impact drivers ?

@busteraycan

3 жыл бұрын

how can an air compressor spin it that fast if the missile is designed to go at mach 2.5? Higher pressure?

@shanewilson3653

3 жыл бұрын

@@busteraycan Well the air coming out the nozzle is going very fast. if the rolleron is 5cm in diameter at 14825rpm its surface is going 139Kph. The other thing that happens is when air is acting on a wheel like that it may spin slightly faster than the air stream due to pressure difference generated around the wheel as long as the air volume feeding the high pressure side is sufficient to keep it higher than pressure zone at a greater pressure than the rest of the wheel. but for the air speed at the nozzle at 180 psi and a 3/32'nd inch nozzle the exit speed of the air molecules may be have a theoretical max in excess of 7000km/h but due to building back pressure in the atmospheric air that surrounds the nozzle tip and air friction in the nozzle walls a practical speed of 400km/h may be more realistic.

@busteraycan

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanewilson3653 I get what you're saying but how is it that it spins slower when facing mach 2.5 winds compared to an air compressor? The guy in the video said it's supposed to do 10.000 RPM during normal operation.

@DeKrampus

3 жыл бұрын

@@busteraycan He says they run at 100,000 RPM when fired (3:50 - 4:00)

We used to spin up bearings in the factories I worked in when there weren’t many people around. Using compressed air as you did, we’d spin up the bearing, then drop on the concrete floor. With lights out, the bearing would spark while getting grip leaving a trail of sparks and a rapid trajectory. Dangerous stuff, but great fun. We at least wore safety specs.

"Mrs Spice bought me this for christmas" jesus, where did you find your wife? Are there more?

@simunator

5 ай бұрын

likely issued by McDonnell Douglas

@marlingodspeed1526

5 ай бұрын

What i was about to say

0:54 Not sure if you're talking about a specific model of the AIM-9, but the missile entered service with the US Navy in 1956, not the "late 70s, early 80s".

@rionmoonandroid

3 жыл бұрын

Yes a simple read of Wikipedia before making this video would have helped

@chrismartin8829

3 жыл бұрын

The Soviet Union had the AIM-9 reverse engineered by the early 1960s. Clearly the "late 1970s/early 1980s" timeline is more than a little off. 😆

@daniel_f4050

3 жыл бұрын

The AIM-9B was in service by the mid 1950s. I believe the first air to air kill with one was scored by the ROCAF (Taiwan) against communist Chinese MiGs in the late ‘50s. The Soviets got their hands on one when it scored a direct hit on a MiG 17 or 19(?) but didn’t detonate. If (big if) I remember correctly the rollerons are what gave the AIM-9 its trademark wiggle in flight. That lead to it being called “Sidewinder”, because it reminded someone of the track left in sand by the Sidewinder rattlesnake.

@kiq4767

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniel_f4050 Talk about bad luck for the ocident/luck for that mig17 and soviets heh

@daniellewis1789

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniel_f4050 Sidewinder was from the early guidance system, not the rollerons in particular.

"The pressure versus the nozzle size, and speed, and cheese." I once failed an aerospace engineering exam because I forgot about the cheese. Very important part of flight.

I remember seeing these in the 1980's when I was in the USAF and they didn't have the catch keeping it from moving until firing, they were spring loaded to pop up about a centimeter freeing them from a pin keeping them in place. There were two red and white candy cane striped strings that crossed over the motor nozzle to the opposite side that kept them down with the springs compressed until the motor was ignited.

@markwilliams8488

Жыл бұрын

Yep, retired 461 agrees, sir

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@112foxyloxy

3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see another great video from you spicy!

@nanofly66

3 жыл бұрын

great video spicy, I love how informative and in depth they are

@LondonFazerRider

3 жыл бұрын

Great video Spicy, always wanted to know how these work!

@AssassinDrake

3 жыл бұрын

noice video senior spice

@avocato1135

3 жыл бұрын

The Sidewinders are damn cool, I'm always using them in Wargame: Red Dragon to shoot down enemy aircraft and I wondered how they worked! Great Video

Firstly that is a quality wife. You are a lucky guy. I first saw them in 1984 when I went to Germany on Operation Lionheart. They were really facinating back then without the benefits of the internet.

@Fulcanelli88

Жыл бұрын

a tradwife or a AIM 9 don allow very much...Matra ist the worst scenario.

God at about 4:36 I was worried you were going to get your hair caught in the gyro. Im sure that would have hurt xD

@frotoe9289

3 жыл бұрын

6 years later I had the very same thought. "You can't have long loose hair and work around super-fast spinny things, dude!" He survived it, though, and kept his hair and his scalp. This time.

@Adiscretefirm

3 жыл бұрын

I thought that was beard hair and how much it would hurt to have a handful yanked out.

You need to seriously tell me where to buy such parts, i worked on the AIM-9P and would love to put that thing on my wall!

@frostedlambs

3 жыл бұрын

Try talk to a business rep from the manufacturer

@hermannabt8361

3 жыл бұрын

For home defence purposes.

@DCSMustang

3 жыл бұрын

@@hermannabt8361 sounds logical.

@3rdworldtrillionaire46

3 жыл бұрын

What is even more cool, is a seeker head.

@Jacktherookie_

3 жыл бұрын

It on ebay

The guidance system is pretty simple in concept, although incredibly complicated using 1940's/50's electronic engineering (no microprocessors or integrated circuits, vacuum tubes and later transistors). The guidance just zero's out the angle rate. When the angle to target is constant it knows it has constant bearing and (presumably) decreasing range.

@TheByQQ

Жыл бұрын

so it basically just eyeballs it?

@sssxxxttt

Жыл бұрын

It is incredible what they could achieve with the technology at hand. It connects in was with the proximity fuse on flak grenades.

Oh wow I had no idea it was a passive system, id figured it was part of some air speed/orientation electronics. That's insane. To try to do this with literally any other method would be orders of magnitude greater in complexity and cost. I'm shook that's awesome.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

That's it, smart simplicity at it's best.

As an interesting addition, these things have so much control authority that if they unlock without being launched the pilot can feel the effect. I worked with a number of former fighter pilots and one of them mentioned this when I was working on another guided weapon. He wanted to make sure we didn't guide until we were off the aircraft. With MEMS gyros costing a couple of dollars there's just no need for this now, the missile always knows its roll rate and has positive control in all axes. Roll can be imparted during launch from wingtip stations, and can cause damage to the launch rail at moderate speed and high angle of attack on some aircraft due to wingtip vortices from the parent aircraft. I am sure there's a lot more to it than that, but that's one thing I came across back when I was working on some Eurofighter stuff in the 1980s and 90s. I don't remember which aircraft had seen the issue, it was in marketing bumf from a vendor.

@WhiteWolf65

Жыл бұрын

Aren't most of them 'dropped' off their carry-rails and then ignite a second or two later, so they don't impart any damage to the aircraft?

@Solathoan

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteWolf65 You would be correct for most longer ranged larger missiles like the sparrow and amraam, but the sidewinder rail launches like old WW2 Aerial rockets, a carryover from it's design lineage.

@mattsmitt00

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteWolf65 Air-to-air missiles like the AIM fire themselves directly off the rail for this exact reason. Fighters are often pulling extreme maneuvers at the moment they fire one of these, so if it just dropped off there's a very high chance you will turn or roll your wing directly into it while it's falling away. Firing directly off the rail means that by the time it's fully disconnected from the front of the rail, the missile is physically in front of the wing of the aircraft and moving much faster, so no chance of colliding back into the plane. Not to mention, if the missile waited to fire, there would be a window where the missile would be moving slower than the plane, therefore fall behind the aircraft and have a good chance of accidentally locking onto it's own plane as it's looking directly into the heat of the aircraft instead of out in front where the target is the hottest thing to see.

@233kosta

6 ай бұрын

Eh, passive solutions like this are still really neat and elegant, though I agree - not perfect. I suppose even ultimate reliability isn't much of an issue when the whole thing is going to fly for just a few seconds.

That is one fantastic bit of engineering right there!! Great video! That was such an interesting idea. I work in product development so new ideas are always pretty cool

Very cool! Yesterday, I took my 3-year-old to the Pima Air and Space Museum, where they have a Sidewinder on display. As I was examining it up close, I noticed those wheels and played with them, but I couldn't figure out what they were for. Now I know. :-)

@Cjuncle

Жыл бұрын

Aw I miss the Pima air and space museum!! Do they still have it next to the gift shop?

@charlieguenther5490

Жыл бұрын

@@Cjuncle I went there recently for the first time in a few decades. I cant believe what they have done with the place!! Its huge. You can spend a whole day there. Even in the summer when its hot because there is enough indoor stuff to cool down in. If you have not been there in awhile do visit!!

Great demo: read the description of these many times but instantly more obvious with your demo thanks!

now that's a fly wheel :)

@spicy110

4 жыл бұрын

I am trying to work out a way to measure it's rpm but unless I paint it black the laser tachometer I have won't pick it up.

I worked as a environmental controls contractor at McDill AFB in Tampa during a remodel of the Missile Maintenance Building where they serviced the Sidewinders. I believe they used 3000 psi of air pressure to test the systems. I never got to see a real test but all the hardware was there to see. Thanks for the video and that is a great Xmas gift, bet that didn't fit in your stocking :-)

@dougshoemaker6023

3 жыл бұрын

You must have been there after the mid 70's. I was stationed the in the missile shop during that time

Seen those for years at air shows and always wondered what they were, but never looked into it. Cool! Thanks!

Remember the time of flight for the missile was less than 10 seconds typically, so that roller bearing did not have to last long. Normal PTMs (practice training missile) did not have these. Only war ready ones did.

This is a fantastically interesting piece of engineering, the team behind this must be proud. Your wife must be proud, what an crazy amazing gift!

Notice the guide vanes to divert the flow onto the wheel aswell, quite cool

Is it just me or does it make a lovely sound?

@Avio033

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a turbine spooling up for ignition

@michaeledlin9995

3 жыл бұрын

My tinnitus thanks USAF

@bloodybritbastard

3 жыл бұрын

And it’s probably WAAAAAY louder than the video makes it seem…

@45psi

3 жыл бұрын

They are designed to be used one time. One time.

@bawneff5133

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like the souls of hell crying to be let out

As you say.. Simple yet effective. Love this sort of stuff. Great gift to get from your Mrs too!

3:00 That wheel is designed to operate at high Mach numbers. The air coming out of your hose is certainly sub-sonic. You're not going to break it with a shop air compressor.

@RelianceIndustriesLtd

3 жыл бұрын

no its probably not subsonic

@dingdong2103

3 жыл бұрын

The thing is not designed to be long living obviously. Its life span is typically only a few seconds after it's fired so no wonder they made no effort to make the rolleron buttery smooth :D I'd put some lubricating oil in it if I was playing with that and it's supposed to stay in one piece.

@erictaylor5462

3 жыл бұрын

@@dingdong2103 There is a very good reason to make it "buttery smooth." It spins so fast that any imbalance at all would tear it apart instantly. It has to operate under some pretty extreme conditions and it has to operate reliably.

@dingdong2103

3 жыл бұрын

@@erictaylor5462 If you listen to it turn, it's anything but buttery smooth. It is very noisy. It's designed to operate only for a few seconds before exploding on the target... That's why it has the locking latch so it doesn't turn constantly while the missile is in the rack. It would wear out.

@jonasthemovie

Жыл бұрын

@@dingdong2103 What kept it from spinning when carried by the plane?

Dude, YES! I love ALL of your content, since it's nice to hear educated people talk about random shit in their lives while riding, but this is some seriously awesome footage. I'm jealous as all get-out, and am informing my spouse of the new requirements of our relationship currently.

When I was a young child in the 1960’s my dad had some odd bits of technology lying around. One was a gyro about the size of a tennis ball made of brass or some metal. It had bearings on each end of the frame, but the odd thing to me was the curved notches machined around the perimeter of the wide disc. I discovered I could spin it up by blowing on the notches, but never gave it much practical thought. My dad was into aeronautics so it must have been a gyro for some type of airborne craft.

@cageordie

Жыл бұрын

I had a gyro that sort of size from a Rapier missile. They were spun up by a gas generator just before launch, it's a common method, you see a little puff of smoke before some missiles are launched and that's what is happening. In my case I used to spin it up by sticking a Biro in the air supply hole and blowing. The bearings on the Rapier gyro were a heck of a lot better than these ones are.

I am ever in awe at the ingenuity and inventiveness of the human being when called upon to devise simple solutions to highly complex problems.

I watched this at 6am and it woke up every dog in the neighborhood.

I was told those were telling the missile how fast the air is flowing on each fin, and that the missile could tell its trajectory from the slight difference in air speed on each fin 😂 Glad i now know the real function of those things!

That little thing at the back is called the Roller-off. Only kidding. LOL. Thanks, this was a good video. I was around military aircraft a lot and never picked up on this little piece of engineering. The cleverness of aerospace engineers has never ceased to amaze me. This would appear to be a highly effective stabilizer since it is still in use. Sometimes you get something so exactly right that it never needs to be changed.

The best part is that, due to the continuous-rod warhead's effects, the missile works best when it nearly misses - flying past the target is PERFECT.

I think its equally awesome, thanks for the demonstration!

Never thought I'd be jealous of something that spins

Very cool. So many little things work simply if you just are open to possibilities.

I've always noticed the little "bumper guards" on the rear fins of the AIM-9 models, had NO IDEA what they were. Now I know! Thank you!

fun game.... Take this through customs and declare it and see what happens

@kalleklp7291

3 жыл бұрын

Just call it a fidget spinner.

@uwekonnigsstaddt524

3 жыл бұрын

As long as this item carries a legal bill of sale, it cannot be seized by Customs. The KEY is to make sure where the item is coming from/going and how it was obtained, where it was purchased and for what purpose. Just as there are immigration laws which vary from country to country, the same applies to devices like this one.

@edwin3928ohd

3 жыл бұрын

@@uwekonnigsstaddt524 I'm just wondering if it is a declared part from a Sidewinder missile, would they allow it at all? Despite going through all legal pathways. I think the answer would be a loud "hell no" from a customs agent.

@DOI_ARTS

3 жыл бұрын

Easy, Tractor parts

@ParadigmUnkn0wn

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwin3928ohd You don't declare it as a missile part. You declare it as an engineering display piece or novelty antique.

Mrs. spice is some woman!! Absolute genius design. Love me some rollerons!! Trying to incorporate them into something on a build, but need to get up to mach 3 for them to work!!

@Fulcanelli88

Жыл бұрын

yoy Will ended least pegged anyway...match 3+ 100 km/h TDI ibiza euro 4 SEAT. Smart & Clever.

Quick someone sign spicy up for the Discovery Channel! Great work man! Really had me at the edge of my seat! So simple for something so clever.

Amazingly simple, the lessons learned in the Sidewinder project are a crash course on problem solving and creativity.

The back tab holding the rolleron in place is identified as being caged (locked in place) or uncaged (disengaged), per weapons loading checklists. I liked spinning them after loading the AIM-9, on a couple different fighters in the air force.

@Delnare

3 жыл бұрын

I remember doing pull tests on those retainers to make sure they needed very little force to pop and release the rolleron for flight.

Very interesting, personally i would love more videos on this kind of thing

I enjoy this type of video immensely. I also enjoy watching vids where squirrels are set to defeating "squirrel-proof" bird feeders. Thanks!

Always fascinating to see the individual pieces from our mist clever guidance systems. I have a gyro from an old AMRAM missile the my Dad gave me. It's boosted up by a small explosive charge at launch and immediately spins up to around 100k RPM. When the missile pitches from one direction or the other, the axis of the gyro rotates an electronic indicator across a variable resistor that continually is read by the flight computer. Corrections are made based on the gyro's voltage output. You'd be impressed at it's design and craftsmanship. My air compressor can only spin it up to around 20-30k rpm, still impressive.

I didn't hear it mentioned in the video, but the Rolleron's are constantly spinning in flight. From the moment the aircraft starts rolling and until it lands and stops they are spinning. I've actually been at EOR(End of Runway) on numerous occasions in live munition safing area during flight recovery and they were still spinning while ground grew placed safing devices on the remaining munitions. You can't really hear them though over the sound of the idling jet engines. If I remember correctly there's even a Safety note in the T.O. about keeping hands clear of the rear wings on the AIM-9 during flight recovery because of the Rolleron's.

I was really worried for a minute that your hair was going to get caught in that rolleron while it was making point five past light speed.

I had noticed those before and always wondered what they were. Thanks!

I loaded these for 10+ years on F-16s & -15 Strike Eagles... Heavy bastards, even with a three person load crew. Compressed spinal discs, torn-up shoulders, bad knees. All in the name of air superiority.

That brings back memories, I used to test rocket engines at Royal Ordnance in Worcestershire, UK and I recall doing exactly that with an airline across the rotating stabiliser!Then with Thrust Vector Control they disappeared from use on the motors I worked with.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

Arrr so that's why they got rid of them. 🙂👍

@bigdarbs19

3 жыл бұрын

@@spicy110 Plus guidance systems were able to operate when the body rolled, so didnt need to be kept level.

Great video Spicy, always wanted to know how these work!

@Fulcanelli88

Жыл бұрын

& Hot or TOW

I always wondered what this was on the models. Thanks for posting.

love this!!! i do this with my new longboard bearings to help with the initial break in. thell spin for 20 times longer than this will though!!!

What you don't see in this video is the rest of this missile just out of camera range. Next video: How to mount a guided missile on a Cessna 172.

@MrDgwphotos

Жыл бұрын

It has been carried by non fighter aircraft, like the AH-64 and A-10, for self defense, so it might very well be functional without having a lot of special integrations with the carrying aircraft.

@Phineas1626

Жыл бұрын

Priceless…thanks for the chuckle.

It seems to simple having seen it.... I never would have thought of it though D:

A neat story from the contest where the AIM-9 was trialed against the sparrow, the crew for the sparrow missile brought huge piles of gear and a ton of equipment to set it up. The AIM-9 crew was 1 guy with an IR flashlight to calibrate the seekers. The AIM-9 ended up with like 9 hits outta 10 and the Sparrow mostly just malfunctioned and missed.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

Yes curious droid makes good videos, check the pinned comment. 😃

Wow... amazing video... I saw that fin closely in the Australian Air Force museum and couldn't find a straight answer to my question since... thank you...

Very clever!! I see how that works. Mrs Spice has impeccable taste!! Haha

These missiles zero out their line of sight after launching, which means they maintain pointing directly at the prominent heat source and guide themselves to that point. The Sidewinder is an amazing weapon, having a fin is treasure!

@cageordie

Жыл бұрын

No they don't, that method of guidance was out of date in the 1980s. That would lead to a pursuit solution, which would give the missile the least chance of catching the target, and the worst response to a crossing target. Current AIM-9s, and a 2006 manufacturing date would make this an AIM-9X, are way more sophisticated. They use a predictive algorithm to aim ahead of the target and maintain the lead until impact. This means that if they are fired in the forward arc, which they have been capable of since the late 70s, they maintain a collision course and fly in a straight line, unless the target changes direction.

Hella Sweet! I am more into props and guns these days, but this is an answer to a question i had ever since i was a kid.

Thanks, I finally know what those things are. And indeed quite a clever mechanism.

Seems like a pretty standard gyroscopic stabilization principle, just done in a unique way.

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@nigelsmith7366

3 жыл бұрын

This will be a 9L or 9M not a 9B if it was manufactured after 2000

@intellectualiconoclasm3264

3 жыл бұрын

Much respect for the corrections. This thing honestly looks like a horizontal slotting mill. Any info is that was an inspiration?

@jonslg240

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting and COOL video. I've never heard of you before, and now you have a subscriber. To point out how interesting and cool: I don't subscribe to many channels at all. Probably 20. Even less if you count the ones I use the notification bell on, like I just did on yours. Thank you!

@doggonemess1

Жыл бұрын

This popped up in my recommended, and now I'm here. Weird that a Chinese spy balloon would have led me to this. :)

@pompeymonkey3271

Жыл бұрын

Oddly enough, I watched this several years ago :)

What an elegant solution! I would imaging that those would be turning a respectable speed while under the wing of the aircraft in flight and then really spool up once fired and hypersonic!

I have seen other videos tell me that it is a impressive piece of tech. But neve show how it works and why. This was very informative. Thank you!

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

You are wrong with the dates, this missile was actually introduced in the 1950's.

@spicy110

8 жыл бұрын

Isn't that's designed in the 50s buy wasn't in use till later?

@mgibbs88

8 жыл бұрын

+spicy110 It entered military service in 1956. They were sold to our allies in Taiwan and fired at Chinese Mig-17 fighters in 1958, the first use of air to air missiles in combat. One of them didn't explode and got lodged in a Chinese fighter intact, this was later sent to the Soviet Union which reverse engineered the missile creating the AA-2 missile in 1960.

@gregsdrummer

6 жыл бұрын

spicy110 nova is right

@tony_5156

5 жыл бұрын

1956 and sent to Thailand I believe It got fucked yo when 1 got lodged in a Chinese MiG-15, from there the brilliant Russians made a carbon copy of the missile and started the missile family of their own. Just making a better version that the West, The goal!

@richardvernon317

5 жыл бұрын

@@tony_5156 Taiwan actually, one fired from an ROC F-86 ended up flying into a PRC Mig -15 and didn't explode. The Russians then reverse engineered it. They were working on their own missiles at the time and already had an operational SAM. The beauty of the sidewinder concept was it was a simple missile to integrate on to any airframe (the British fitted it to two aircraft not equipped with it in the space of weeks during the Falkland's war. (Harrier GR3 and Nimrod). Fitting any of the west's other IR AAMs to an aircraft (AIM-4 Falcon, Magic, Firestreak and Red Top) was a much more complicated endeavour due to the support equipment for the missile that had to be installed in the aircraft.

Be careful, those vanes are sharp even when they're not moving.

They were pinned during flight using a crossed dacron cord arrangement. The rotation of the rolleron in the airstream reduced some vibration that was observed on highly maneuverable aircraft. Upon launch the dacron cord would burn through and the rolleron would unpin, allowing it to provide a bit of gyroscopic stability for the inherently unstable missile. They didn't call it the sidewinder just because it was a cute name. The guidance system used bang-bang navigational control signals for the canards. (the little stubby control surfaces on the guidance unit. After the guidance unit came the influence fuze. This enable the missile to track to an average signal strength received from the IR unit in the nose and the signal from the fuze further back. This then enhanced the scissor like action of the warhead. Neat system.

That's an amazing piece of historical naval engineering ...my dad was a model maker on many projects at the lab that developed it.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

At china Lake? Very cool!

@offgridmangogrower

3 жыл бұрын

@@spicy110 yeah Dad worked at michaelson lab and spent many hours and days out on the test range. Like to reconnect with any one or parents who retired from there. Ieft at 17 and went to Viet nam and my dad was transferred to Monterey and then moffit field....felt like I left a family there.

A good way to feel how this works to take a fidget spinner in your hands and tilt it back and forth.

Greetings from the states, mate. I used to play with those slip stream-driven gyros on the inert (no warhead) AIM-9 misses that were attached to F-18 Hornets, F-14 Tom Cats, F15 Eagles and F-16 Fighting Falcons as examples of hundreds of US Military aircraft on static display at USAF Joint Base Andrews, 26 kilometers outside Washington, DC. Until finally ending in 2014, Joint Base Andrews would hold their annual US Defense Department open house air shows that sadly came to an abrupt and permanent end after 2014 due to a plague of backpack suicide bombings all over the world from ISIS. But, in friendlier times--the static displays were always spectacular! All of the aircraft had real missiles attached, but without the warheads and inner electronics--but the missiles were 100% real and not model mockups. Therefore, the inert blue painted Sidewinder had those little gyros on them as well as that air resistance-activated retainer clip device. I would play with that thing wondering what it does and was about to ask the pilot who was present giving out autographs to kids, but I had an instant flash of insight as to what it was for and was waiting for confirmation from the Major as to what my theory was and that it was an air driven gyroscope to prevent the oscillation of the actual aileron and gives the entire missile something to "bite on" while in flight used to maneuver after receiving coordinates by the millisecond from its heat seeking head and guidance computers. In other words--I figured out it stabilized the entire missile by stabilizing its ailerons. I never did get to speak to that pilot. Cheers! :-)

The cleverest engineering inventions are always the simplest. That rolleron is just so satisfying. It's from the 50s, but I'm sure you've already heard soo many times by now.. Best way to get the correct answer on the internet is to post the wrong one afterall :) Also, if it was built in 2006, then it's not an Aim-9B. The 9B is at least 60 years old by now. Awesome vid.

I remember rollerones when I did my weapon training when I did my aircraft trade training back in 1989, takes me back

That Was The Most Beautiful thing i have ever heard :') 3:00

The Sidewinder is so good that even though it was designed in the 50's it will probably still be in service in the 2100's.

@richardvernon317

5 жыл бұрын

The AIM-9X currently in service is nothing like any of the other Sidewinders. It uses rear mounted fins for steering and the rollarons have been replaced with a roll rate gyro system in the electronics.

@Hopeless_and_Forlorn

3 жыл бұрын

Despite its longevity, the Sidewinder has a long history of missing the target at every opportunity. Of course it has seen hundreds of improvements over the years, but only combat can prove its effectiveness.

@tempest411

3 жыл бұрын

It seems to have taken them a LONG time to get them to work properly. There are plenty of reports of the Vietnam era versions failing in one way or another the vast majority of the time. And at a time when the military brass took the guns out of most of the aircraft by then, it was no laughing matter to be in a dog fight and have your only weapon fail to do it's job far more than it ever succeeded.

@SCComega

3 жыл бұрын

@@tempest411 Which the sidewinder was still far more reliable than other missiles of the day, like the Falcon. Regardless, it's also telling that despite the failure issues, missiles were devastating in the air war in Vietnam, and made up the majority of kills, even on the planes that still had guns, like the Crusaders.

Sounds like that annoying thing people used to play off there phones in school (really loud high pitched noise) awesome video very interesting!! :D

I am impressed by the aged bearing that runs to 100k probably without lubricant and that it still does even today. I often think that the weapons deign sector must have been a great place to be working with so many cunning and talented people to work with. Move and counter move like chess.

If you put that on the back of your bike could you then go at mach 2.5 without falling over?

@Fulcanelli88

Жыл бұрын

Only if your bike its a MIG31. You Cant learn cause fall only once time.

I used to see Aim-9s ready to load on U.S.A.F. F-111s in England in the 1980's and the rollers were spring loaded to pop up about 3/8" freeing a pin that kept it from pivoting while the plane is flying. They were held down by a string pinned in place with a screw, and it ran across to the opposite side fin so you had an "X" of string that crossed right at the rocket motor so on launch, they were free to pivot again.

Its amazing that the leading edge of the fin dose not deflect the wind over the rolleron to prevent it turning by creating a vacuum.

That is a cool bit of kit! The sound is so cool :P

Nothing happened, but you should have tied your hair back for that one...

@crashfactory

3 жыл бұрын

totally agree. It might not be huge, but the stored energy is pretty huge. Also, the thing looks quite a lot like a milling cutter (though running in reverse). Not a good day to have your head pulled into that thing at many 10s of thousands of rpms.

@msbealo

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I came here to say.

A couple drops of Marvel Mystery Oil strategically placed and you'll Really hear her spin up ...

Same type gyro is used in ss1b1, strela and igla. In fact all missiles air defence as well as antitank had air powered gyros. That is why there is a lag between your pulling the trigger and the missile leaving the launching tube. In this time the cartridge fires and the air spins up the rotor

The AIM9 has been operational since at least 1974. I was working AIM 9s, 7s and AGM65s at that time.

I just about forced myself to keep watching after the massive inaccuracy at the start. That's basic stuff you got wrong there.

@spicy110

3 жыл бұрын

Check the pinned comment.

4:30 I realise you’re testing it to do what it was meant to do…YES! Great video.

Thanks for the video on that. Really interesting.

That’s bananas that someone thought of this in the 60’s

What a simple yet ingenious design

Very interesting! :) great video spice!

Excellent demonstration!

That's an awesome sounding hard drive!

i used to machine gears and i would do this with the bad ones, except we would spin them up on machine bolts and let them rip across the shop floor. good times.

back in my F-4 days we used to play with those while we were waiting to launch. Ours didnt have the little catch, instead there were a set of nylon strings that held the opposing rollerons in place. They strings crossed at the back of the rocket motor exhaust and when the AIM 9 fired the motor would burn the strings off

@spicy110

6 жыл бұрын

+znuto arr that's pretty interesting 😀

@znuto

6 жыл бұрын

I found only 1 picture of this, it is on an Italian website. The translation from the picture on the right side says "retention cable burned by the rocket" web.tiscali.it/areziobiancotti/rollero.html

@znuto

6 жыл бұрын

but it was not a cable, but very thick nylon string

KZread wanted me to watch this video Spicy and I have to say that what you have there is very cool and interesting and very very clever I'm pretty jealous lol

Smarter every day just id a video in the aim-9m your about to get a lot more views my friend