The Rogal Dorn just has a Yabadabado alternate engine function powered by 2 Ogryn

@KamekazeKuban

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂💀

@Adunapheth

Жыл бұрын

Even the Imperium has an energy crisis.

@SeanHoltzman

Жыл бұрын

"Imperium Goes Green With More Manpower"

As a model railroader as well… I can see the endless lighting possibilities…. Head lights here… engine flame there… and a place to keep batteries

You know what, a good olive branch to the community from GW would be to offer a free STL file of the bottom plate so the community can 3d Print it themselves. You can't tell me GW didn't actually design a component for the bottom plate and doesn't have it on a computer somewhere.

@canisrex5142

Жыл бұрын

That's brilliant!

As a guy that runs an injection molding company, it's a few factors aside from just saving money on raw plastic size. GW uses standard box sizes for the product range so the plastic sprues can only be a certain size in order to fit in the box. So the metal molds they make cost tens of thousands each to buy so they had to make the call between making another mold/tool to be able to have have that piece or causing the community to rage, well saving money is going to win out.

@grotwurksmekshop6607

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much, that extra sprue saved us about 20-30 more on the price of each kit. I dont know about anyone else but I expected the tank to be $120 usd. $90 usd is quite nice

@FlyingNinjaish

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why "the community would rage" - the Skorpius Disintegrator/Dunerider hasn't had a bottom for years and no one cared.

@pauldick8083

Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine doesn't mind the missing plate as he plans to make his remote controlled with sound effects

@Dante502

Жыл бұрын

@@grotwurksmekshop6607 Don't get me wrong I still feel it's a bit high for what it is, but my gut tells me that they're not anticipating on selling that many of them (they're not in squads so the average player only needs 1) so there's some low sales volume price adjusting going on.

@Dante502

Жыл бұрын

@@FlyingNinjaishhad to look back at the disintegrator again, think one aspect of it is there's a clear edge around so it doesn't look visually off compared to the Dorn's middle of the bottom missing. Another aspect I think is the Admech were completely new so there wasn't anything to compare to, unlike with the series of guard tanks that players are "used to".

I doubt that it has something to do with anti-counterfeiting. Unless GW wants endless drama over every converted Rogal Dorn. The player-base is just twisted and sadistic enough to deliberately screw with the weight of legitimate models and seal the bottoms just to catch them out and make a big public stink when they disqualify a player for having a lovingly converted tank that they incorrectly declare to be counterfeit. The drama will never end if this is the route they are going down from now on. It would eventually drive them mad.

@baugusted

Жыл бұрын

You don't add lead weights to your models? Weird

I’m not upset about the lack of a floor plate. It allows me to store my magnetized bits inside the model more easily. Now I don’t have to leave the bottom floor plate off, make storage inside, and 3D print a removable hatch that keeps the model together like I have to do with the Chimera

@Lupus_Intus

Жыл бұрын

Still sort of shitty of them to charge a premium for a hollow shell (literally) of a super tank. They could just as easily design a hatch and make "you can store bits inside" a feature rather than something a player has to jerry rig.

the bits on the tank tracks might just be so it sits flush on the table like its sinking into the ground rather then leave decent gaps between the track and ground its not like GW would have gained much from a bit less plastic on a peace how ever the floor choice probably is since to add it they would have needed a 3rd mold or to 3d print it separately which would make a difference in cost and time

Actually those tracks being hollow like that makes it much easier to magnetize the tracks, so they can stick to magnetized storage trays much easier, too.

For 90 dollars I expect a floor for my tank. GW needs to man up and send a free floor plate to any customer who requests it.

Put a magnetic strip on the side of the tank inside through the bottom. Put all magnetized weapons not in use on the strip inside the tank. Buttless Dorn innovation!

Next month: buy the bottom upgrade for your rogal dorn from forgeworld!

I’m waiting for the ForgeWorld resin upgrade bottom hull plate

Theres a hole in the bottom of the dorn, theres a hole, theres a hole, theres hole in the bottom of the dorn.

I completely agree with the concept of "premium models at premium prices" and that's excatly why the dorn is disappointing to me. I'm paying for the best, if you're gonna cut corners, for any reason, I'm gonna pass.

My thoughts on this: The kit looks like it originally HAD a floor plate. And then someone realized, that it will not fit the sprues easily. So it got removed. The missing parts of the tracks IS penny pinching for sure, along with the holes in the grills....

@CaptainKeen

Жыл бұрын

I mean, the grills are pretty common in other models, one might even claim it's more realistic.

@manuelsaavedra8081

Жыл бұрын

The missing parts on the treads is so that it sits flat on the table; Those bits on real tanks dig into the ground because of the sheer weight and provide more grip, so a realistic look would be those bits missing from the tank to give the illusion that they are going into the gaming table.

I came here for floor/flaw puns and wasn’t expecting the “all chaps are arseless” pearl of wisdom 😂

I'm not a cheater but if it was beerhammer between close friends I could totally see a dorn being placed over a model to hide them

It's down to box size. Adding the floor would have meant another sprue. That would increase the cost & price, but that's something that wouldn't bother GW too much as it's the consumer who would absorb that cost. But the thickness of the box, especially for thousands of kits, directly impacts warehousing and logistics. It would mean a non-standard GW box size, which would increase indirect costs both are warehouse and store level.

I hate GW prices, i despise paying a high price for an incomplete model which is what they pulled on us

I'm just disappointed that GW cheaped out. Magnetization was definitely not a concern of GW.

@jo_ken

Жыл бұрын

If they could I’d bet they’d try to make their models as troublesome to magnetize as possible. Or outlaw magnets on their models at events.

I think they just removed it so they could put more bits on without adding another sprue.

Unfortunately for the last theory I foresee people selling Dorn compatible floorplates. Also it would be hard for GW to say you did not model it yourself given the simplicity of the part. Still in almost 30 years of buying miniatures this is the first to not include a floor, not sure if I will buy one now

@banishedpest115

Жыл бұрын

May I ask why? I genuinely don’t understand how not having a part that will not be seen or even painted in most cases is a significant drawback.

@tomasdawe9379

Жыл бұрын

If I am being honest very little, apart from the fact you can see through the top of the tank via the vents of course. Then again it is an incomplete miniature.

@RushGamma

Жыл бұрын

The "first"?? Skorpius Disintegrator doesn't have a bottom at all and nobody cares. I think its just guard players being the whinging-est of players yet again.

@samhunter1205

Жыл бұрын

@@tomasdawe9379 but you can only see through those vents in the promo shot because of the heavy lighting used. If you put one on a tabletop this wouldn't be visible. This really seems like complaints over absolutely nothing.

@Andrew-yl7lm

Жыл бұрын

Because they're a model company first allegedly, not a game company. You can buy a king tiger tank from Rubicon for half the price which is incredibly detailed and isn't missing a single part. If they're a model company first they shouldn't sell models which just are incomplete for £50. They should sell inferior playing pieces for less money, not do the opposite of both.

Did you see the art of war episode? It was discussed jokingly that it could have a real in game effect - a smash captian could theoretically charge a Dorn and place itself in the cavity since it has fly. The Dorn would then be locked on combat as it couldn't move away from the character inside since it doesn't have fly and can't move through models

@redredleg4051

Жыл бұрын

But it could still fire all it's non-blast weapons at the smash captain and fire it's turret weapons into other targets. With the amount of melta guns this can carry, it's not a good place for the smash captain to hide.

My guard has nerf guns with the orange tip and now I'll be building a Fred Flintstone into my tank.

@miafillene4396

Жыл бұрын

You magnificent bastard! 😁👍

After assembling my Rogal Dorn I can 100% confirm that it doesn't help magnetization in any way not to have a bottom, it just lets you see the ground through the top vents. Additionally it feels like GW went out of their way to make the main turret gun really hard to magnetize. Other options are more easily swappable though.

The bottom really fell out of that opening pun.

“I already see you guys getting ready to fill the jugs…” 😭😂🤣

Me who isn't looking at the bottom of my tank

It's the Perty hole. Every Rogal Dorn design has one, an obvious flaw for Perturabo to exploit. It's fluffy!

They just could have given us a separate plate to cover it, if they wanted to "make it more magnetizable." And we didn't get a discount on the missing plastic, either

GW announces rogal dorn tank accessories package. Extra bits like shovels a d ammo crates oh and the bottom of the tank. Available only on GW web exclusive 28.81#

It's money grubbing, penny pinching, and truth twisting. Feels like the dad in Elf signing off on the kids book without the last two pages.

Brb starting a 3d printing business selling floorplates

It's not a bug it's a feature. Can deploy your mortar squads inside it.

It’s on the bottom not seen while conducting tabletop warfare. What we really should be complaining about is, they aren’t doing made to order of the entire metal model guard range like they used to do in the past.😂

My first thought was to make it easy to spot a fake and then you hit that point XD

Just hide a cyclops demolition rc tank under it for a nice little surprise 😮

I for one look forward to recreating the Flinstonian 5th Armored Regiment

The "issue" is solved with a single piece of plasticard. You never functionally look at the bottom in gameplay. The extra sprue space gives you basically a stowage and extras sprue's worth of additional pieces for decoration which is a more than welcome trade-off seeing as they'd normally try sell you that separately. Plus it's a place to hold while painting. There literally no negatives, who paints the flat bottom of a Russ anyway? Seeing through the vents only matters if you're playing 40k games in a lightbox.

I think it's probably a combination of all 3. They'll have had many brainstorming sessions and will have discussed the model and this topic in depth looking at all pros and cons.

While I feel they're cheaping out on the tank at a time when historical scale models of similar or better quality are much cheaper and more complete, I have two possible conclusions. 1. The space is open because there will be an alternate kit (tank destroyer?) in the future that changes the hull and therefore an open space was easier. 2. This would make it easier to mount a motor or speaker into the vehicle to "improve" it.

I don’t have the kit yet but from what I understand the kit has two completely full sprues and there isn’t enough space to have a floor plate without making a whole other sprue just for it. That makes sense, even though it’s rather disappointing. The track pads missing on the bottom tracks is just them cheating out though. There’s no real reason for them to have done that whatsoever.

most likely the bottom plate ist there because what goes there has not been released yet..... eg the rhino base tank can make the razor back, predator, vindicator and whirl wind. may be they have yet to show/release a kit the uses some of the main rogal dorn part but in a different way eg rogal dorn troop transport tank

Mountain out of a molehill. I have tons of styrene sheet to fill it if I want

I'm going with the idea that it wasn't worth putting in due to it not being seen but also looking at the sprues on GW website, that thing is packed with bits. If it's only the three sprues shown, you'd need a fourth just for the bottom and there probably wasn't enough plastic parts to justify a fourth.

In ww2 they build many tanks wich can be carried by soldiers to confuse the enemy. Maybe gw planing the same: Buy tanks who are only there to confuse enemys? If you shoot at them show the downside... When its open you picked the wrong tank...

I remember the original Rhinos and never putting the bottom plate on it haha

Hellstorm wargaming made an STL file fix for the dorn bottom and its perfect

I'm just happy that I had a reason to add 'Dornhole' to my vocabulary. Thank you, GW

They did the same thing with the Age of Sigmar Lord arcanum on gryph charger. It did not have a underneath part on the charger. So I would have to be on side with the minimising the number of sprue

@jackdavenport4303

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, that was a cliptogether model for a beginner set compared to a full scale kit release.

@garethevans9850

Жыл бұрын

But beginners kit or not it still sets a bad example.

The floor would be just part of tank that would need extra sprue that does absolutly nothing, so im pretty ok with that

Look at original GIJoe. The thumb nail is on the inside of the thumb, not the outside. It was an accident that eventually became the way that Hasbros legal team identified other companies that copied them. So it tracks.

My problem is you can't do stuff like this and also say your the top quality manufacturer. Small details matter, and what made Warhammer better than other alternatives

That "identification mark" theory has one major flaw. Every tank commander worth their grease, will craft a floor plate for their tank. Be it from foam board, mdf or indeed printing out the missing part. I would even go so far as to try and get the tracks complete. That's why this reasoning makes no sense at all. However, keeping out a big floor board: - reduces the material costs - reduces the volume so they can pack it into a smaller package - reduces the weight They save money on material AND freight costs GW is a corporation. Corporations tend to choose the cheap route, even if it harms their brand in the long run, fron time to time, because they want the quick bucks now.

Someone needs to do a Flintstones styled Looted Ork Battle Wagon conversion of the Rogal Dorn, powered by Ork or (preferably) Grot feet.

That's odd - my Dorn has a base plate. Oh, hold on. I printed mine for £5🤣

If I paid 50 dollars for a Tamiya Tiger Tank or Sherman, and it was missing the bottom, I would assume something was wrong with the kit and would email Tamiya. If I paid almost 100 dollars for a GW kit and it was missing something, I would be thankful that they had the good graces to only charge me 100 dollars. Because God knows they aren't going to replace something they left out of a box, let alone something they left off to save money.

Having no bottom feels pretty odd to me not gonna lie. Now that I know this I won’t be able to avoid it.

Flaw?! Nay sir! It gives an opportunity for shots/edibles in a secret compartment!

I think my solution for this will be to glue some spruce bits inside to create an easy surface to work from and then either use some baneblade spares or a piece of cut plasticard with some filling and green stuff. Annoying and time consuming but not overly difficult to circumvent

@tinylittledragon9412

Жыл бұрын

Or I dunno, a crazy idea, maybe GW could sell complete kits.

The bottom being gone look to me as if GW wants the tank to be able to fit onto weird terrain. A solid bottom can make it so armor doesn't ride terrain well. That's what I thought when I saw it. Then again, people do think I'm an odd duck. o7

Thanks for the warning. Was actually thinking of buying one one these new-fangled tanks. Back to Da Old Ways for me.

im floored by this discovery

It doesn't matter. It's a miniature that you will spend the majority of its life never looking at the bottom hull of the tank. (Looks at my old rhino with no bottom plate)

I didn’t like the Dorn model and I especially didn’t like the price so I 3D printed the Dorothee Heavy Tank from Ace Minis.

@miafillene4396

Жыл бұрын

Dorothee. Really. Don't now I am having gigglefits. Needs ponytails and a blue paisley dress on the commander.

@chrisgoodier6825

Жыл бұрын

@@miafillene4396 yeah the name is quite amusing

Im 3d printing a plate to fill the hole if I end up getting one of these, I want the tank to match the rest of my tanks which all have bottoms

If they wanted to facilitate magnetization instead of actively encouraging people to glue their guns and buy several kits to get all the options, like they do, they would have made the bottom plate detachable or something. It really was to save 3cts on a 70 euros kit, there's no other explanation. I'm half willing to buy the 3-sprues explanation but the 3D printing counterfeit check is very very dubious, people would just start 3D printing their rogal dorns without a bottom plate if it was going to be GW's way to check for non official models

@redredleg4051

Жыл бұрын

I preordered an official model of the dorn, and I've had a printed dorn for several weeks now. In anything but official tournaments I have two dorns; and one of them has a solid bottom

Don't mind the track parts as much, but at least the big floor gap is an easy fix with some plasticard.

@dakkasfr

Жыл бұрын

Not wrong. But a $90 USD kit shouldn't require a solution like that...

@spacecanuk8316

Жыл бұрын

@@dakkasfr Agreed.

GW removed the bottom panel so they can sell us an upgrade sprue with it on in a few months

I think they just wanted to save making a new sprue. That talk of weighing models and banning 3d prints is insane, did they actually do that?

@Speknoz

Жыл бұрын

Banning models is always up to that particular events T.O.

I don’t think is cost saving, if they were concerned about that then they would never repackage the Russ the way they did (double turret, double sponsons with twice weapon options, double upper hull, double tank commander…..) no…. It’s not cost they are concerned with.

Probably just didn't fit on the sprue, maybe they'll release an upgrade kit that has the bottom in it

I think they didn’t include bottom tracks cause it sit high with them. Looks like it’s sinking into ground without them. And the void in the bottom is 110% about 3 d prints. All the new kits have weird configurations in how they are assembled and that is to make 3d prints and after market accessories harder to produce

I recently bought a model tank The bottom and the top were separate pieces not in a sprue dumped into the box It's not hard, the tank cost me 17 quid

I’m new to guard (well, 40k in general really) and am really excited for my rugal dugal to come in. After watching your breakdown of load outs for the Russes, what are your thoughts on a load out for a TAC Dorn?

@gold5221

Жыл бұрын

Theres only 2 main weapon options on the dorn with the opressor cannon being flat out superior, as for meltas vs stubbers generally the heavy bolter sponsons are the best if you want to take sponsons, as for the demolisher type cannon or the gatling gun it depends on your enemies but for TAC i would take the gatling gun

Cults has a 3d print bottom already up

So here’s another thought…over the last few years, I’ve noticed that GW’s model packaging has standardised to a set series of sizes that would insure they fill their cartons completely, no empty space. So adding the extra sprue could screw this up by a reasonable amount. So what you might say….well it does cost to ship air due to the joys of volumetric weight (simply put….shipping a the max weight of an aircraft will cost the same as you fill it up with feathers). Sooooo…I think the practicalities around shipping & packaging may have more to do with the exclusion of the addition sprue with one piece on it.

But you can 3d print near-perfect replicas of the pieces and then assemble the kit. I know, I've seen me do it.

Haha that's pretty lame in a way. Before the glimpse of the underside I just assumed they had forgotten to put the piece on before taking the picture. Wouldn't be the first flub by GW in that regard. The lack of plastic on the underside treds is just plain lazy.

What if someone saw the bottom of the tank and said, I want to fix this mess. If they wanted to do do the visual they would do something that wouldn't be noticed at a glance.

Less plastic to end up in the landfill eventually anyway

Is it the hole in the bottom?

Love the wilder theory - however I have already seen lads on Reddit 3D printing covers for the holes! That would definitely scuttle that particular plan

Look, if this ridiculous hypothesis you've mentioned is, in fact, what GW was thinking about when they made this decision, thats neat.... I'm still not paying $90usd for an INTENTIONALLY hobbled tank design, I will never set my models on a tournament table, ever, let alone an actual GW competition, so why do I deserve to have my models fucked with???

I can just get some plastic and patch it up after I magnetise it. Not a big deal. I'm not exactly going to move it around upside down so noone will see it. 😃

Funny enough I initially left the bottom open on my own modelled tanks to have storage. In the end I just printed all the different variants instead (10+ from a spool of PLA). I don’t play tournaments because I always heavily converted since my beginning in the 90s. These days the GW police ruins my hobbying so I just stay away from events that ban proxies. Also, if the point was to make a copy… not putting a bottom in is not hard. Funny theory though. I am more into the sprue layout though. I bet most people would rather have a few extra bits to play with than a large piece of plastic that does nothing. What is a shame however is that they did not take it further and put storage slot’in designs on it. So we still have to custom make a piece and cut the tank if we want to build storage options that lock the tank in place during transport.

I was always an advocate for putting tanks on bases, but if they aren't going to go that route then it seems a little strange

You know, I modeled Rogal dorn for 3d printing a few months ago and I though it came out decent, but not spectacular. And now I see this and holy fuck, this looks worse than my version

I’ll go with the 3D printing theory they are a big company the OG they know what there doing that’s not money saving that’s on purpose

I'm not a serious 40K player, so I don't pay a lot of attention to what's going on in the community. I stumbled onto this "flaw" when I built my first Rogal Dorn kit yesterday. At first I thought this was just a oversight, so I Googled it and here I am. My opinion about it? I can see it being a trademark thing, but I'm inclined to think it's a cost measure. It's a big chunk of plastic that costs money to make. I can imagine them designing the sprues and asking where they should put the thing and someone up higher in the chain saying, "Oh, just leave bloody thing off. It's the bottom, so who cares?" That someone is probably one who isn't a gamer. I'm not a scale model type and I'm only a casual gamer. If the paint goes on well and my dice roll correctly (always a problem for me at times) then I really don't care. However I can see why some folks feel gypped out of a kit. I can REALLY see the scaled modeling types being furious as this wrecks the kit for them. Now they NEED to patch that so their display doesn't get ruined.

I dont paint the bottom of my tanks let alone care it it has a big void on the bottom. great video

I do not approve personally, but at the same time it really does make magnets a whole bunch easier for sure.

Simpel production efficiency. The less plastic you use the less time you spend in the machine the more models you can produce. it saves time, resources and increases profit. the more plastic you got the more energy you need to spend and the longer you need cool it down. the more parts you got the more sources of errors and problems you got. from everything a bit and something new. if it saves 10 seconds or 30 in the molding machine you got to count that for each model times a million or so. its a massive increase in all fields. also they are all parts that you normal dont see. only some one trying to create wrecks and dioramas may complain. average player wont notice expect he jumps on the hype train. also the faster you create a model line the faster you can switch to models that need production too but cant be created because there is a work backlog of other kit ranges that need to be made first.

I just think some one made an oopsi, and they are so embarrassed they can’t say any thing now :)

I think the tracks are that way, because it sits better on the table. A bit sunk in the ground, it is still a heavy tank. Would be a good thing, if the model would be on a Base. My theory for the missing plate: There will be a rerelease of the Rogal Dorn Bottomless Tank with an aditional fixed turret option and the missing plate. Just sell the same kit plus one aditional sprue to the same people who just wanted to buy one. The Baneblade was the same i think. The first release was just the Hellhammer and the Baneblade. For now they get a lot of publicity with this and later they will say how sorry they are and what a wonderfull solution they can sell us now.

The Rogal Dorn has no bottom because it's a top. Less facetiously, this strikes me as the penny pinching. Given they bill themselves as a models company first and foremost in their shareholder updates, they are now working directly in opposition to this statement they stick to (a statement which, if you'll allow me to don my tin-foil hat, is so that they can justify having a game that is not as well balanced as it could be and also lets them pay their rules staff less than they should - according to an article from a couple of years ago).

Why are most people complained about hollowed model now? There's some model that hollow like skorpius/onager dunerider or even the invader atv. But this isn't excuse for GW for being cheap on their new kit

@tomasdawe9379

Жыл бұрын

I imagine it's to do with the expectations of the IG community. All of there tanks have had floorplates, also I imagine a larger number of IG collectors also buy historical tank miniatures, which also include floorplates. Therefore one not including any is a shock, and feels wrong on an instinctual level that is hard to explain.

@adammoore7520

Жыл бұрын

I mean when i spend as much money as they are charging for a model kit i kind of expect a complete kit

Frankly, I can't see why anyone would be salty about a lack of floor plate or shaving a bit of plastic off the bottom tracks. Most folks won't even look at the underside of a model. It saves weight and allows access into the tank after assembly (light and batteries, anyone?). Shaving the tracks lets the model sit closer to the ground, which it would do normally if it were on real terrain and not a tabletop. I'm all in favor of this design.

So to combat prints, they undermine their own position as top quality by NOT FINISHING a whole model!?!.....i...find that actually plausible with how smart-stupid our corporate overlords are......

@tinbat7156

Жыл бұрын

But no really thats....really REALLY stupid if true.

Kind of disappointing. But at least I can fit an rc engine in it easily.