Those pins alone could be your product. Seem really well thought out for the purpose and fantastic machining by Quinn

@clappercl

3 жыл бұрын

Ageed. I'd love to just buy those pins and make the wooden parts myself.

@lucasvignolireis8181

3 жыл бұрын

I totally would buy only the pins

@orcasea59

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Pins & handles are what have stopped me making one of these saws

@26tp

3 жыл бұрын

I'd buy pins and handles if shipping to Australia wasn't prohibitive.

@charlesrussell9312

3 жыл бұрын

As someone with experience machining similar pins with a hacksaw and hand drill in the garage (1940s emergency brake), I know they can be made very cheaply but to do them well is a challenge. I vote for offering them separately and let the more adventurous make their own.

Going to join everyone else here in saying just the pins are good enough, pins with plans would be a good bonus.

I like it. Off the top of my head. I see different levels of kits available. $24 for just the machined pins. $39 for the pins and handles. $54 for pins, handles and saw blades. $79 for the full kit.

@anonymouse7078

3 жыл бұрын

I like those prices! They seem pretty reasonable. I've been wanting one of those for a while but had no idea what they were called, and of course it looks handmade so I thought I was outta luck. Recently started practicing dovetails/box joints. So as soon as I started watching I was like "Oh man, I want that!" And when I saw your price line I agreed right away. I'd buy the whole set for $79 for sure! But I'm thinking its probably a little low for what you're getting. So maybe they'd have to go up to $99 for the whole shebang and I'd even pay that. Though, I'd prefer the lower price, of course! I'm in if it ever gets to market.

@charlesrussell9312

3 жыл бұрын

@@anonymouse7078 Now the competition: Gramercy Tools sell the kit: pair of pins, handle and toe, and three blades ($59.95). That also gives an idea of the price and quality.

@Bob_Adkins

3 жыл бұрын

For those prices, I will cobble my own or do without.

@anonymouse7078

3 жыл бұрын

Well. I am new to woodworking, in fact just learning, and like I said in my first post that I believed it to be handmade so I thought it was reasonable. Since then have learned a little bit more and now know the items aren't quite as high priced so... with that said I'd still pay the $79 for the whole kit for someone else's skills that hopefully one day I will also have.

@danmontie6367

3 жыл бұрын

Put me down for the $79 version. I’m still taking beginner classes at Woodcraft, & cleaning out the garage to create space for a bench!

Speculating about price is a difficult one. The price will be affected by the cost, which will be affected by the volume you produce, which will be affected by the number you expect to sell, which will be affected by the cost and OH GOD, I'M STUCK IN A LOOP!

@charlesrussell9312

3 жыл бұрын

And don't forget: the price people are willing to pay. Having worked retail I know that pricing is irrational, price it too low and people think it is junk, price it too high and it either won't sell or it will be seen as a luxury, something you want to buy someday, but you put off purchasing. Then there is marketing and building desire. I've done this on ebay, I put some common old tool I've cleaned up for $5. Not even a look, but when I put it at $30 and write up a blurb about how unique it is and how I "carefully hand polished this iconic wrench from the past" (aka 600 grit); it sells. My favorite example is when we worked at the home center and did an experiment with the Thompson's rep. Their deck wash at the time was just a jug of bleach with a new label declaring it "new deck renew" ($7.99/g). We set a pallet of it next to a pallet of Hi-Lex (79c/g). We even told people that the deck wash was just a jug of Hi-Lex with a new label. (the bottles were the same shape) 90% of people opted for the deck wash even after being told that the products were the exactly the same. It was a brilliant case study in marketing.

@DeniseSkidmore

3 жыл бұрын

Could kickstarter it without all features and have additional parts as stretch goals if enough sell to bring down costs on basic parts. The handles don't need to be turned, just drill the long straight hole in the blank and let the customer use their spoke shave to round them. The stretcher and the tension holder and string are all easily manageable. It's the curved cuts and metal work that are hard, make those the basic kit so you can sell it for less without having large volume.

@Bob_Adkins

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesrussell9312 So true, and it's frustrating to try to explain rebranding and marketing to friends and relatives.

@bertbergers9171

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesrussell9312 it is more of a study in insanity :( I find it grotesk that people won't ask a reasonable price for a decent product since they might not sell it due to people being indoctrinated into believing cheap equals junk. Marketing is one of those tools used for that indoctrination, so by saying you had a brilliant case study in marketing, you closed a loop started by marketeers a few hundred years ago. Don't feel proud, please. Just continue educating the public that stuff can be good if it is reasonably priced.

The pins start from too large of a stock, make smaller flanges and use a washer so you don't have to turn down 1" steel bar.

@blahorgaslisk7763

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The cost of making that pin will be excessive both in unnecessary high material cost but mostly in the time it takes to machine it. While a lathe is a very good tool for making very small series or just one off projects it's to time consuming to be economical for a simple thing like this. If it were to be produced in any number it has to be simplified. Using a much smaller flange and a washer is an easy way to make it faster to machine and not really compromise with the end product quality. Even so I wonder about parts of it such as the threading. To me it seems that it would take way to long to thread every pin like that. Let's face it, we like to see that because it produces beautiful results. However once the pin is threaded into the handle no one is ever going to see that again. Either cut the thread using a die or use some other method to fasten the handle that needs less machining.

@janjaapvdijk

3 жыл бұрын

seconded, another method is a pin stock and a flange stock which are press fitted together eventually. This way the only lathe work is the wood thread and the micro taper to aid the press fit.

@niuthon

3 жыл бұрын

exactly, this is main cost and time saving move, and will help make this kit a reality

@marknahabedian1803

3 жыл бұрын

I think that a lot about the design of the pin can be altered to reduce the cost to make them. It's a big space to explore and is constrained by what small lot job shops you can find to do what operations on the parts. The pins do not need to be made to the precision that Quinn usually works to. What are the minimum requirements of the pin? Does it need a hook for the saw blade? I have a jeweler's saw that gas clamp blocks to hold the ends of the blades. Maybe that's simpler, maybe it's not. Does it need to be threaded to tension the blade or can the tensioning be done by twitting a piece of cord under tension at the opposite end of the saw arms from the blade with a stretcher between the arms serving as a fulcrum? It's probably worth researching how carpenters made their turning saws 209 years ago.

@mightygrom

3 жыл бұрын

She might have been working with what she had on her shelf.

CHOPSTICK!!! I've been thinking about how to fix my cutting board. Chopstick is the solution! Thank your, thank you! ❤🌅🌵😷

This is awesome Rex. There is really one major consideration for pricing in the US, and that is it has to be more affordable than the Gramercy Tools Saw ($165) for the kit. On the lower end there is the $60 kit from gramercy with blade kit and knob. If this is an all inclusive kit minus the blade then I think around $100 is a fair price, but the practicality of coordinating manufacturers and fulfillment is quite difficult. A decent way to reduce cost could be to have square knobs which can be made octagonal or rounded by the customer, this could also reduce the number of manufacturers.

@chrisvos2721

3 жыл бұрын

When Gramercy had the kit on sale, bought it with pins, three blades and blueprint for about $25.00

@ToymakersToolbox

3 жыл бұрын

Not to dissuade you, but beating TWW on their prices might be tough. I've made several of the Gramercy bow saws to give as gifts and since I bought a lathe, these days I just buy the $18.95 set of brass pins from them. Their blades are really good too and not at all expensive, so when I run out I'll probably repurchase. The idea of steel pins pleases me, but I honestly haven't had any issues with breakage in the brass pins.

I agree with idea plans and the pins package deal at one price. Another with the whole kit available. Love that some great KZreadrs are working together.

Consider an option for selling just the metalwork and some plans or templates for the wood parts.. this will be great for people outside the US = cheaper shipping.

Rex you're basic tutorial was so good that the only part that seems intimidating/half-assed is the pins. If those were available I'd make the rest myself in a heartbeat.

Hi Rex! So in continental Europe we get new framesaws from ECE or Ulmia for about 50 Euro (60 USD ). Following your initial idea, it should be cheaper, sure- but: even though you want us to save money, you certainly cannot give away this effort plus the kit value for much less. you simply cant! if there´s a kit, there is a responibility, there is physical customer service there is malproduction and so on and so on - you´d need to calculate all of these things into the price upfront. the other point that comes to my mind: you´re a teacher by heart and soul and skill. the series is about low budget and - much like a traditional- making your own stuff instead. learning and developing skills is a progress, that doesnt happen without failure. no trail and error- no "natural" learning effects. you would take away a part of this process from us... because of course, your kit will work pretty fine (it better does :D ) ... i just mention this, because i suppose, this isn´t meant to be the only kit project you have in mind. how about a limited edition of lets say 1000 pieces ('signed by you?) giving 10 percent of the price away for charity (woodworkers without thumbs or idk)? this way you could easliy set a fair price (fair to you and fair to the "market") and can be quite sure you´ll get rid of most of them. it will be a profit, a repeatable process and a good deedy thing- BUT: keeping it limited will keep the focus of the channel on learning by doing and thatfor your trademark solid. cheers from vienna

This tool is a long way off on my project list, but would help me make a lot of the things on that same list. I'd buy a kit to be able to make it quicker!

My wife: Are you watching another one of those “Rex” videos? Me: Yes My wife: Does that mean you will be building or buying something else for your workshop?” Me: Both 👍

When the kits are available, I'll buy one for sure.

3:35 excellent micrometer dance. I'm sold.

Screwdrivers could easily be used to make handles/pins or you could make your pins and glue them into wood file handles which are not expensive

@JDeWittDIY

3 жыл бұрын

An old screwdriver with handle & shank is a great idea for making a MacGyver version of this saw! I love it.

@Bob_Adkins

3 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of off-the-shelf parts. The pin made from a finishing nail won me over. Shoddy wooden- handled screwdrivers should cost a buck each. Nice wood for the frame is hard to find, that could be the money maker.

@b2pi

3 жыл бұрын

I love the idea of using one drivers. I'm a little concerned about the handle pulling off but I think it's worth a shot...

I like the idea of offering hardware alone or different types of kit. The truth is that I want to make the things from scratch, but those pins are beautiful. The more choices you offer, the more logistical headaches-- so you have that to look forward to. Truth be told, if you offer a kit, I'll buy it.

Rex, think about building in some bluetooth connectivity. As you might know, everything sells better, if it has bluetooth.😂

If you have enough interest to consider getting those pins made, look up a shop that specializes in swiss machining. Most shops will require a minimum order, but getting a quote for a part from a few manufacturers will give you a clearer idea on what the real cost of a production run would be and help you to determine a price from there. That is exactly the sort of part the shop I work in would make. Selling the pins as well as a full kit option would definitely be something worth considering.

If this had come out a few years ago, I totally would have bought it. I'm planning on building one myself after I get my new shop set up. The hardware won't be as nice, but it'll be mine. I'm surprised no one's commented on you getting advice from Shannon Rogers. That guy knows his stuff. His videos taught me proper sawing technique.

Excellent idea. It makes it better for us fairly new woodworkers

Rex, great idea. One or two tweaks: maybe offer it with different amounts of parts. I would want one with just the metal parts. Sell another one with everything ready to just plug, glue, and play. Sell one in between: all the metal parts, plus the wood handles (for folks that don't have a lathe). That gives you three price points, too: low, medium, and high.

I have a whole stack of product ideas and every time I start researching how to bring them to market, I get seriously overwhelmed with everything it takes. Nice job moving forward on your ideas!

I see a competition of building the most beautiful saw from the kit.

Those threads are gorgeous

I would happily pay for just the pins. Which also shouldn't be too expensive to ship internationally. And saves all the complexity of shipping wood products. Good luck!

Like a lot of others here, I think a tier of options would be great! That way you can pick what you need based on your skill level. And just the pins and or/a pattern would be another good option for those of us who want to support the channel but don't have much extra money.

Very nicely done. Thanks!

Oh man two of my favorite channels! I'm so excited!!!

The beginner paradox. So true. I’d be interested.

I came over from Quinn's channel. I'm glad I did, it's not often do you get to see her dance with joy! Cheers

Love the collaboration with Quinn!

This is a great collab between two excellent and talented KZread presenters. Congratulations, you guys!

Agree with several of the others. Turning my own handles would be ok with me too. Having the option to buy the metal parts or the wood parts would be reasonable. I recently was excited to buy a marking gauge kit the just supplied the metal fasteners etc and am looking forward to that. You are on to a good idea here. I am pretty sure I will be a buyer when you have a kit together!

Start with a tool name”,Bowsaw”. Like the idea of parts sold separately. Blades would be a good start. Price based on what competitors sell for, and if you can compete or offer something they don’t. I have two mini versions of a bowsaw and I’ve never seen small ones before. I have seen large ones like yours in fine woodworking so I think it would be a good addition to any shop. Keep it up Rex.

Really interesting idea! I'd definitely be interested in a kit and I'm looking forward to seeing how it all comes together. I like Kevin's idea of different versions, but I get it that doing that may make a complex first physical product project even more complex. Kickstarter is an interesting idea too. I'm very hesitant to back kickstarter projects these after having been burned a couple of times, but you have established such a level of trust that I'd jump on that campaign in a heartbeat! Great to see Quinn involved! Her channel is great: super informative and really oddly soothing. :)

@northroadwoodwork8616

3 жыл бұрын

I second the kickstarter concept for this, especially if you use it as a presale, not just for capital. The key is, make your deadline.

Instead of the two dowel joint for the stretcher, you can glue or screw two 6mm thick strips to the side of your stretcher for your bridal joint. No joinery needed, just 4 flat pieces of wood and screws. You can make the friction fit tighter by unscrewing them and sanding down the stretcher a bit.

Awesome idea!

I'd be interested if the Pins will be available separately.

@OldNugget

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, the woodpart is no big problem. I can probably make some basic metal ones but I rather skip the metal part if I can.

@mattduffyw99

3 жыл бұрын

The pins are a nice gateway. I can make a janky starter saw, and then build a better saw later and transfer the pins, and so on and so on. Once you have the pins, it's saws all the way down.

@carter9449

3 жыл бұрын

Gramercy tools makes pins for this that you can buy on their own

I just got my blade in the mail this week and I'm starting on my saw this weekend. I love your videos, Rex!

I agree on the pins & handles. I bought the Gramercy handles, pins& 3 blades for less than $60.00 it also a link for a printable pattern for the wood work. It took me an afternoon and it works great .I want another one or too . KEEP IT UP REX !!!!

Wow, even the most simplistic design can be a beautiful tool

Rex, I think this is a fantastic idea. While I have no problems with the arms and stretcher (and string) I'd still put $75 to $85 into this. Although, I'm with the others who suggested a partial kit. Blade, pins, and turned handles, that would be worth $40 - $50 alone, I think.

Agreed! The pins alone would make even a bare bones kit worth it. The machined pins, a roughly turned handle w hole, and a blade. Boom. Love the content! I would pay $50-75 comfortably.

Rex, I love this concept!! I think you could go as high as $80 for the hardware, cut pieces, and the instructions. I would pay that today as a gift for my quasi handy father, who is bored in his retirement, but still somehow has a short attention span. This sort of thing would be perfect! In fact, I could see a kit being handy with many of your projects (shooting board, spokeshave, marking gauge). A kit gives pride to having personally built it, but with some pre-made hardware, it adds a certain professional look, genius!!!

You should definitely look in to crowd funding (kickstarter?) to help with the start up cost and gauge interest in units needed for manufacture. For me the pins are what I'd be most interested in purchasing, but a kit like this is such a good idea.

This video has me reminiscing about my days running a copy lathe at a woodshop in Victoria, BC. A competent production woodshop should be able to bang out hundreds of those in a day.

I was the merchandise and branding officer for a costuming club for 5 or so years. We had 7,000-10,000 members world wide, and I have every bit of merch manufactured. We did 1 run a month of new items. It was amazing and exciting. It really is a different world, I hope you enjoy the ride.

Build it, and they come!

I am by no means a craftsman as good as you and prefer to do my woodworking using power tools, but I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. You are very entertaining, interesting and educational. Keep up the great work. I'll keep watching. About the coping saw kit, I don't want to appear cheap (although I am) so I suggest 14.99.

thank you Rex very interesting . loved the tiny lathe . must confess i do miss doing that .

I'll support it, I wrote off the first saw video because it's kind of specialized past using a chisel, saw, and hammer. But if it's in a kit, especially from the dude who showed us woodworking can be cheap!!! Sold!

PAP--Pins And Plans baby! 30-50 bucks depending on whether you use carbon or stainless.

Quinn is awesome! Been watching for some time, now Rex, I'm going to agree on the Pins & Handles. I have been wanting to make one of these saws for some time now, but it was always the pins and handles that stopped me. The rest is pretty easy for someone with some easily accessible and inexpensive tools. But the boutique 'saw kit' outlets want a LOT for the handles and pins...

I think this is a really great idea. The wooden pieces could also be made using templates for the guy who want to make his own. Honestly, in my opinion, the hardest part of making a turning saw is the hardware for the handles. If you just offered those, it would be fantastic!

You can finish all of the woodwork on the CNC with the propper cutting strategy, like making an octagon handle or a 1" diameter.

I have been reading about bow saws. There was an interesting article I ran across. This article explained that tapered pins were better then straight. The taper helps the keep the bow stable with out applying a lot of force. As for the price I agree that under $100 us would be a pretty good price.

Hi Rex , Blondi sent me here . I hope your saw sells well . I'm a retired machinist , it was always my thought to make a product and sell it . Good luck !

Well, Rex, you're in the right part of the country for manufacturing like this. I used to work manufacturing in the Cleveland area. You might be able to locally source your vendors.

I would suggest options for customers to select depending on skill level. The complete kit like the prototype, pins only, arms & pins. That way the more experienced woodworker can still support your venture. I think it could be cheaper for the mass production of the pins if you ordered more than you think complete kits will need and then can sell the pins only and increase the profit

I built my own from Gramercy toolworks kit. The price was something around €50 for the pins, handles and 3 different blades. Their full built saw is €200 in Europe. I wanted to buy it so much, but the pricing was over the wall. The kit is priced well, I think yours could do within the same range. The whole saw? I think if it was around €100, you would find your customers easily. I would point out two things: 1) don't sell cheap - you have your brand and you can find customers and fans to buy it even if, say, Gramercy kit/saw would be a cheaper option, 2) congrats! owning and making a product is one of my dreams!

I think the pins will be the biggest asset of the kit, if done as well as your prototypes. Equivalent in modern tools are cast junk.

Quinn is great and I enjoy her videos.

If you are having trouble sourcing parts, any CNC lathe or mill for metal is absolutely capable of machining wood (Fender guitars use Haas CNC mills instead of routers, for instance). You could probably go to 1 small batch machine shop for all of your parts. You might need to sweeten the deal a bit to get them to deliver your parts clean enough and for them to deal with having to clean out their machines before they can run metal again though

Quin is Awesome! I love when my favorite creators work together!

@raul0ca

3 жыл бұрын

The blade tensioner will run on 16 bit TTL like her graphics card

Super excited to see you stretching out into this new territory! I might suggest taking preorders once you have a good grasp on what you figure for a price, that way you can confidently order an initial run off these parts, plus maybe 10-15% for impulse purchasers while you make any tweaks in the design. As an uninformed suggestion, I would think ordering as many pins as possible up front would keep overall cost down, but after an initial run, I believe there are CNC shops that could perform drop shipping of your wooden parts practically on the fly. Of course, that may require an upcharge but it's a thought. Wishing you the best, Rex! Can't wait to get my hands on one

Half way through the video I was getting my card ready to purchase but I guess Ill be waiting a bit. Looking forward to it, I think it's an awesome idea

Rex, I like this kit idea. I have no experience in manufacturing, but I DO have experience building some of your projects... I built your Joiners Bench last summer and it is awesome (I even improved on your basic design, I think!). So I’m probably going to try to build your Turning Saw before the kit comes out. But I do think I’ll want to buy your kit when it comes out. Here are my (few) suggestions: 1) keep the middle stretcher long, as you’ve discussed ( I personally like the bridle joint option; 2) include the saw blade with the kit (I use a small fret saw for cutting out my dovetails waste, this small blade in a bigger saw would be incredibly useful); use paracord instead of twine, it’ll hold up longer and it will look nicer; offer a hardware-only option (saw blade, pins) with a printable template for the wooden parts, for those of us who want to build more of it ourselves. That’s the sum total of my ideas here. I look forward to the finished kit!

I just love your work! This seems like an awesome product, but as a broke student I'm probably not really your target market. For a couple of minutes a week you let my imagination run wild and I live vicariously through these videos! Thanks for making them freely available. If you ever need anything translating into Dutch I would be more than happy to freely offer you my time!

Yeah rex, not only am I finding difficult to get into the shop to "make tools" I'm also finding it tonight to find hardwood Id want in my tools. I'd buy this in a snap. One thought, you could sell different versions of the kit with more or less work done that would let people Taylor their experience of making it, from just the pins to the pins and wooden pieces. Something like kick starter might be useful? I'd happily pay now and a bit of a premium to support you doing it.

@christiandestefano9997

3 жыл бұрын

like the kick starter idea and would also pay alittle more to get it started. $30 plus shipping seams reasonable for final product

Making pins economically: 1. Start with 1/4-20 grade 8 bolt with 1" threading & the rest smooth shank, cut off the head. 2. Cut the longitudinal slit, 45°slit & 1/16th pin hole in smooth shank end. 3. Bull nose end of smooth shank end. 4. Apply 1/4-20 flange bolt, flange facing the smooth shank, tighten & apply permanent thread locker to the last 4 threads (this step by the end user @ assembly). FWIW I'd buy 2 sets of said pins. Gramercy brass pin set is $19 + ship & tx; simple pin set could ship USPS in padded mailer (probably up to 3 sets for one mailer cost) for $5 my cost, $3 your cost IIRC w/USPS acct. I'd pay $15-16/set + shipping, 2 sets, and build my 2nd & 3rd turning saws so I could have all 3 TPI's always set up w/out having to change blades.

I’ll buy 3 so as to give to a few guys that don’t have one and would appreciate having one, supporting small upstart entrepreneurs feeding their families, and building; err... putting them together/finishing themselves. I’ll do the funding part and they can enjoy the building and using part. Thanks for the update, thanks for holding your nose to and staying disciplined in the content vein you’ve established. I hope you’ll take it as a compliment that you’re doing something that has Wood By Wright appeal/value/lasting power. Ok, I’ll buy four... Semper Fidelis, Shannon

This is a great idea! For this to be as cheap as possible it might be worth using a washer and a smaller flange (to support the washer) on your pins. They won't be as "nice", but both material and machining time will be significantly reduced

This is a really nice idea. Some thoughts: 1) Consider selling parts separately too (many have already mentoned this 2) Consider searching for one or two dealers in Europe. This will considerably open the customer base. 3) Definitely consider a roubo saw kit. There's a huge gap in that area, as the only available options cost nearly as much as a kindney 4) While in this subject, why not consider other types of frame saws too?!

I like the idea. Would be cool to do this also with your diy jointer plane as well.

It would be a great kit. I've seen others say and I agree, the pins would be one thing you could sell much more.

just need the metal parts and a plan

@1947wdx

3 жыл бұрын

Go to Tools For Working Wood. They have brass pins. No threads, but they are nice pins. I've built a couple turning saws with them. They also have a lot with pins, blades and handles. You make the arms. Which really should be done by hand anyway so you can choose the right grain for the upper arms. CNC'ed arms seem like a good way to have short grain where you don't want it, and subsequently a cracked arm once you put it under tension.

Nice! I wish you success, the design is beautiful. I'll be awaiting to get one kit for me.

This saw in kit form is a good idea. The pins would be star of the sale.

The pins and hardboard templates would be nice. Maybe it can keep the cost down on your end. Even paper that can be traced. Were making our own tools out of necessity. I really like how you teach how to make useful stuff and where to find things we need

Rex, thanks a lot for all the work you do for beginner woodworkers! I’d be really interested in your kit. Putting a price to it though, not sure.

longtime fan -- you rock and it's great to see you do another collaboration! I was hoping you'd do these saws again agree with the others, just the pins to start would be awesome and then you could scale up to offer the complete kit. especially if you can ship to Canada 😇 something that allows a bigger blade to build a frame saw with one of those mitre box blades (or a 3/8 bandsaw blade) would be awesome too! the use of the wood screw is really novel. I'd be worried that at the end of the day it's as expensive as existing kits and you paid yourself less than minimum wage to do it!

Hi Rex, I like this idea a lot.

I think it’s a wonderful idea, but I would think the cost of shipping will be a large factor in a buyer’s decision... If a buyer is already purchasing blades from Tools For Working Wood, they are already paying shipping and may as well add the pins and handles to their order. If a buyer will not be sourcing blades from TFWW, they would not need to factor double shipping into their decision. The rest of the saw doesn’t need to be any special shape to get the saw to function. And shaping can occur from a simple rectangular shape almost as easily as refining the CNC shaped frame parts. Of course none of these would stop a customer from buying to support their favorite KZread makers. Good Luck! It’s always good to see other options appearing in the handtool market!

My 2 cents, have an option to purchase just the pins. They're fabulous.

I can make all the wood parts but would love the pins to be sold separately!

Your objectives seem to be: affordable and easy to finish. As if by magic, these are my criteria for buying one. If there is a specific blade you recommend, its inclusion in the kit, obviously a cost upper, would save me the extra step and allow me to begin assembly immediately upon receiving it. I hope this is a fruitful venture and perhaps spawns similar project kits.

Great idea, I'd buy at least one.

it would be handy to have a range on the kits, handles and pins as one set and a full set of items as a second. at last it makes sense to me as i'd like to have a go at doing the arms and the joinery but don't have the gear to do the metal work

@fantomcircuitoctopus

3 жыл бұрын

Same. The metal parts would make this way easier for me and would hopefully be a lot easier to ship, especially internationally. I don’t need the wood, that’s the fun part :D

@cmdrsocks

3 жыл бұрын

I vote for a handle & pin option, I have no turning facility (wood or metal) but the frame is simple cutting and shaping of flat stock.

I’d say two options a) 2 blades, pins, string and plans b) finished product that only needs assembly like IKEA - you could call it IREX !!!

I'd buy it. I don't have time to make all the components, but I'd love to have the saw, this is a great compromise.

Quicker and easier handles and pins. Start with round metal stock of the size needed for the finished pin. Upset one end until it's several mm larger. Slot & drill the other end for the blade. Take round wooden stock for the handle, drill a hole in one end, maybe one to two cm deep. Make it slightly larger than the upset end of the pin. Now drill through the length of the handle for a press-fit of the pin. Install the pin, put some epoxy in the hole, plug it with a bung. Each step can be done as batch production with simple jigs, cheap labor. For such a low volume project, not much automation would be needed. Perfect for farming out to small job shops.

Hey Rex, Love the idea for a batch run of saws. Making a one off prototype is handy for ensuring you have a diagram to make a batch. Making a batch is handy for determining the process for small manufacture. When I plan out something like this, I use orders of magnitude. A prototype can be scaled up to 9 items. A Batch can be scaled up to 99 items. Small manufacturing can be scaled up to 999 items. After that, my experience runs out. Sorry.

Those pins are great. I would buy those on there own.

Rex, I would love to get a bow saw kit! Gramercy tools sells a complete version for about $170. An all inclusive kit at $100 is a kit I would jump on without thinking twice. At that kind of price, I think, you would sell out in a hurry. I wish you the best of luck. And hurry up. What are you waiting for? This is a kit the woodworking community needs so hop to it. P.S. I love your channel.

I'm interested. did a quick research and the only bow saw that I can buy new is at Lee Valley for $245 CAD here in Canada. if you are able to keep the costs under 150$ shipped I would buy one for sure :) Great initiative ( and great dancing from Blondihacks ! )

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There's the Gramercy Tools bow saws. The whole saw is $160 but they have kits. Like 3 blades and a pair of pins is $30.

Awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would buy a kit, Rex.

This is a great idea, Congrats. If only the pins were available, I might by them and make the rest. If the complete kit were available. Sold

As others have said, there are savings to be had in the pins if you change the design a bit. Make them two piece so there isn't as much waste. Make the unthreaded portion slightly smaller in diameter than the threaded portion so the "washer" will transfer force to the pin and not the handle. The washer can still be a lathe part, thicker and better finished than a stamped washer, just a lot more economical. Heat treat the pins? Handles - I'd be happy with square blocks or a cylinder that is center drilled. It's the straight center drilling that is the hard part without a lathe. Shaping the outside is easy by comparison. Whittle it with a knife if nothing else. Arms - I was thinking you could stand a bunch of 1x2 stock on edge, clamp together to make a 2x10 or 2x12 or whatever, make the blanks a couple inches longer than the arms, then contour the face on top, flip (this is why you leave the blanks long), contour face on bottom, done. Let the customer trim off the excess square chunks on the ends. I'd think there'd be less waste and it'd go a lot quicker than the method shown in the video. Next up, how about a frame saw for resawing?

Rex, with all do respect, you are The "Hitman" of Woodworking bro 😶🤙