Dude.. I've been using and coding PCs since the 80s and have watched a million documentaries, every Computer Chronicles episode, etc. and this is by far the best video I've EVER seen on the history of early Windows. So much information I had never known. To say I rarely learn A SINGLE FACT watching a video like this is accurate, but I learned A TON here. THANK YOU!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it and many thanks for the kind words!

@JonathanAgain

11 ай бұрын

I agree completely, a most excellent research job. I got my first experience with Windows from the first 1.0 Beta in ''82/'83 when I was running a pirate BBS. Got it from an in-house MS engineer (sent to me as a 2 lb+ bag of floppy disks) and a gaggle of us newbie geeks spent many joyous hours to get that sucker working, same with Windows Server 286 betas. We were all convinced that MS knew we deranged pirates who were brave enough to try anything and share our results with the engineers. We had a LOT of fun thanks to Xerox and MS!

@user-dq2zx2ei4m

11 ай бұрын

Some people just have an inside scoop. Thanks for sharing. 😊

@InLightFilm

8 ай бұрын

When will part 2 be released?

@AnotherBoringTopic

8 ай бұрын

@InLightFilm probably not before the end of the year, it’s two hours long and editing is proceeding very slowly. However I am buying a new laptop that should speed things up a bit, enabling me to more easily work on editing in my spare time.

For context around 5:05, the setup cost in Jan. 2023 dollars was a bit over $250,000 and each additional 'star' was nearly $55,000.

I was in industry during this period. We used HP desktop computers for our design work, writing our own software. Our first PCs were IBM 286 machines running DOS 3.0. When Windows 3 was released, we made the transition, buying box sets of Windows instructional videos on VHS tape. It was a phase where more time was spent learning the OS than doing our job, but that didn’t last too long. Thanks for the video - it was well done.

@pinnaclesystemsgroup6472

Жыл бұрын

Does anyone remember the Intel 386 486 585 (Pentium) processor handbook ?

@artsmith103

9 ай бұрын

Can you confirm the time period you mean? Seems you mean 1987-1988.

i love how any video regarding the PC industry in the 80s and 90s features a clip from Computer Chronicles at some point. What a legendary show. RIP Gary Kildall

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Such an incredible show, probably the greatest archive of the personal computer revolution in existence. Stewart Cheifet was such an amazing host, and he and Gary Kildall complemented each other perfectly.

@medes5597

Жыл бұрын

Stewart insisting that its archive get donated to the Internet archive was one of his greatest contributions to sharing computer history.

I love this, always hated how all documentaries about the topic in youtube are just 5 minute quick bites. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! keep it up, pumped for part 2

@beardsntools

Жыл бұрын

Nah these quick documentaries are great, this is boring, monotonic and puts me to sleep.

@david-spliso1928

5 ай бұрын

​@@beardsntoolsBut you just HAD to comment on it. Lol 😂

@beardsntools

5 ай бұрын

@@david-spliso1928 Yeah so?

Looking forward to your part 2, this was beautifully detailed, I've watched this twice now. Please don't be concerned with video length, the people will watch it. Hope part 2 is out soon! -c

Please don't let us down for the rest of this series! Been watching your channel front to back after getting recommended this. Fantastic work!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

So glad you are enjoying the videos! I promise part 2 is coming, the rough draft of the script is 70% done and it’s the next major video I’ll be working on after my current one. Unfortunately it’s probably going to be at least 2-3 months, my current video (fall of OS/2) is around 90 mins long and I’m not sure how long it will take me to edit it.

@beardsntools

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Here's a tip: Stop making such long videos, it's ok to leave out some details. It's a youtube video, not a book. Also here's the easiest fix.. raise the volume in your editing program, it's too quiet.. you are at like -6db try to get as close to 0db as possible, without clipping.

@DelsinM

Жыл бұрын

@@beardsntools I agree with the audio recommendation, but the details are what make this stuff fascinating.

@DelsinM

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Part 2 better ship by the time the snow falls! ; )

@mandelbro777

Жыл бұрын

@@DelsinM yeah, I don't mind waiting, it's the detailed social history which defines this KZread creator. If it's removed for brevity, then his videos will just become as generic nd valueless as many other video on tech history. I love this creators work precisely because it is longform and unique, produced by a person clearly passionate and learned in the topic.

You deserve far more subscribers than you have based on the quality and depth of information you have in your videos. This documentary about the Windows is so fascinating.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, glad you enjoyed it!

@robertbruner7429

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Of course the secret key to a million subscribers is to post pictures of kittens and puppies on FB....and never, ever post anything causing people to think :) Seriously though, it's like a doctoral thesis on the history of Windows. Bravo!

@mbe102

Жыл бұрын

Just got another one, from me!

@MrXeCute

Жыл бұрын

I would subscribe, but poor quality sound and, most importantly, the fast paces, edited voiceover is to much to handle for non-native English people. And yes, I do undrstand quite alot of it, but must scroll back every 10 secs to fully understand and not miss anything that is said. Such a shame, for what seems a quite interesting history lesson.

@danny8bit

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Excellent work, where I'd be most interested in your OS/2 video, that hopefully recognizes that IBM was doing something quite special with OS/2 2.1, that I had the pleasure to experience at work, back in the mid 90s, where their preemptive multitasking was on entirely different level and was insanely smooth, and I could be compiling our Borland C++ Panel+ (a windowing and mouse API) DOS app in the background, while playing around with native OS/2 GUI apps, such as asteroids, where I could have multiple asteroids windows open without them dropping a single frame! If you haven't seen the 1993 HAL-PC OS/2 NT Shootout, where David Barnes thoroughly embarrassed Microsoft with their stolid NT 3.1 demo, you're in for a real TREAT, but don't get me wrong, as I had a successful career in part thanks to MS Windows, where for the 32-bit app we released, we used both Win32s to target 16-bit Windows (development was purely on the rock-solid Windows NT, with an MS SQL Server backend), plus incorporated the SQL based Jet database engine, that powered Access, for local database support (as it was royalty free), that I was instrumental in championing, where an MS representative even visited our office in the UK to see how they could better serve us! kzread.info/dash/bejne/X3h10cyxYqvNlcY.html (I've skipped ahead to the OS/2 part, which is quite possibly the most enthusiastic tech demo in history!).

hour long videos of old computer stuff? This is right up my alley.

Excellent video - many thanks for producing it. I was hoping there was a part 2 or part 3 - I'll keep an eye out for a future release.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Part 2 is coming, it’s the next tech history video on my docket once I get the OS/2 video done. Still going to be a few months though, but I will do my best to make the video worth the wait. Thanks for watching and commenting!

@the2theonly672

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic you’re taking a page out of Microsoft’s book 😂 I’ll be looking out for part 2

@nickduplooy8845

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Hey, atleast you've learned from Bill, and not overpromising on the release date, lol

@mityaboy4639

Жыл бұрын

@@nickduplooy8845 I am sure Steve Ballmer is out there somewhere shouting down at the video editor software with his title of Chief Video Editor Expert... with zero video editing experience :) Can you believe it ? REVERSI!... :)

@HashCracker

Жыл бұрын

Really looking forward to part 2. Having all parts released now would be great but whaddya gonna do

This video is truly underrated. Your work deserve huge more mate!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, glad you enjoyed it!

@ZelenoJabko

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic before summer 2023? Don't promise what you cannot deliver.

@HamStrains

Жыл бұрын

Still waiting for the sequel, the fall of curtains.

@scottramsey5592

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic I’m I’m gonna gonna get you something from there 😊😊😊😊😊😊ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

@scottramsey5592

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic I’m so happy happy 😆😆 lol 😝 I’m a fan fan fan and and a pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp

Awesome! Can't wait for part 2.

@ZelenoJabko

Жыл бұрын

You gonna wait a while...

@BryanChance

Жыл бұрын

Super interesting..well researched.

@HashCracker

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, i didn't realize before investing the time there were no other parts

@greatquux

Жыл бұрын

I am also eagerly looking forward to part 2 but it was definitely worth the time to see this early part. Thank you!

@JacobMoen

Жыл бұрын

@@HashCracker it was a too boring topic, l guess (points at the name of the channel) 😜

This really went far further in depth than I hoped for, thank you for making this for everyone to see and I hope the sequel is made soon!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! The rough draft of part 2 is mostly done, I’ll be working on it once I’m done editing the current video. Hopefully be done and released before the end of May(but no guarantees, I am really bad at estimating how long projects will take) :D

@mgoad08

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic You need Bill Gates "encouraging" you to work faster :) LOL

@iatroupap

Жыл бұрын

​@@mgoad08 😂😂😂

This video is a seminal work. So much details packed into the masterful presentation! Looking forward to the second part. Thank you 🎉

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and comment!

Looks like the YT algo is recommending this vid to people. Well deserved. Subscribed and looking forward to part 2.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it!

Anxiously awaiting the next episode! The work that must have gone into this must have been epic. So much reading and other research. Being a fellow documentary producer myself, I know how much effort these things take, so take your time, but hopefully you'll get part 2 released some time!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the compliment(especially from a fellow creator), thanks for taking the time to watch and leave a comment! It definitely takes quite a bit of time to research and write these videos, but I promise that part 2 is coming sooner rather than later :)

@Megaritz

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Happy to hear part 2 is still coming!

@TonyD401

10 ай бұрын

can’t wait !!!!

@thettguy

9 ай бұрын

Part 2 is vapour ware.

I used Amiga Workbench in 1988, so to me, having a GUI was the standard. However, I would not say DOS was difficult to master.

@judewestburner

Жыл бұрын

Similar deal for me. I would say the transition to DOS was aided by the Amiga CLI considering how many common commands there were, dir / cd etc

@Rasterizing

11 ай бұрын

Well, considering Windows came before Workbench and MS-DOS appeared before Amiga DOS....

@monotonehell

11 ай бұрын

@@Rasterizing Windows November 20, 1985. Amiga Workbench July 23, 1985. MS-DOS August 12, 1981.Workbench was also fully multitasking while Windows was non-preemptive multitasking. Completely different hardware though. Workbench was also programmed by a tiny team of developers.

@Rasterizing

11 ай бұрын

@@monotonehell In fairness, workbench was amazing - and so was most of the stuff commodore did, especially the problem solving and working around issues. Granted, 'bench came slightly before Windows but DOS had been around a long time before - but you're right, it wasn't nearly as advanced and couldn't really multitask, it was "emulated" by context switching.

@Brian-vs9sd

2 ай бұрын

​@@RasterizingUmmmm what? Workbench released July 85 with the Amiga 1000. The complete failure that was Windows 1.0 was released November 85.

What a gem of a video! heck, the foundation of my career's journey began in these days and I had no idea all this was going on. My first glimpse at Windows was called "Windows 286" and it was part of a bundle of my Zenith 286 PC, circa 87. It was so horrifically slow and klunky on this PC i vividly remember thinking, "Wow, looks cool but it needs more horsepower than I have! oh well, back to DOS"

@TheScotsalan

6 ай бұрын

GEM. What a blast to the memory. GEM was a GUI of that era. Ventura desktop publishing as I recall. If you were doing publishing, you got GEM, and I think Wordstar too ?

@zoomosis

5 ай бұрын

@@TheScotsalan WordStar never ran under GEM. You might be thinking of 1st Word, released for the Atari ST in 1985 and later ported to the IBM PC as 1st Word Plus.

@TheScotsalan

5 ай бұрын

@@zoomosis Yup. I just remember different platforms for different things. Or different interfaces anyway. I am sure I had GEM at one point at work. On a 286 ICL with 287 maths chip..1MB ram, 20MB HDD. It was bought for CAD, and we ran fastcad on it on dos 3.3. Just reminising 😂👍

@Innesb

3 ай бұрын

@@zoomosisI used GEM on my own Atari ST, and then a few years later on PCs when supporting users of planogram software (designing layouts for convenience stores) in the UK.

I am already half way into the video and I am so excited when another "boring" topic video is made... This is one of the most underrated channels on youtube. Amazing research work. Looking forward to the rest of the videos. Will mention this on forums when there is talk about the history of Windows

@AnotherBoringTopic

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment! It's a subject I love studying and its been great to not only have an outlet for it, but also to see other people enjoying it.

@_Digitalguy

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic I really enjoyed your IBM videos and I am really enjoying this one. This is the kind of documentary that deserves to be in a paid platform like curiositystream or similar. It's great to have it here on youtube for free.

Wow! what an excellent, comprehensive and robust exploration of this subject. I was a young programmer when all this was happening. I was at Comdex for the "Smoke & Mirrors" demo and saw it for what it was. Nice job. I immediately subscribed.

@AnotherBoringTopic

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the sub!

This is a THRILLER, way better than anything that you can find on TV. Mad respect 🙏💚

This was my first video I saw of this channel, and it’s one of the most interesting I’ve ever seen! 🤟 keep it up man can’t wait for part 2!!!

Just happened across this video and channel, and Good Christ, you do not have enough subs compared to the quality of your vids. Good, interesting, and captivating long form video essays/histories are very hard to find. The reality is that its less profitable to do this format, so I really appreciate what you do! Stoked for the rest of the series!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, glad you are enjoying the videos!

@atlantic_love

Жыл бұрын

Who cares what you think about good quality is? The content creator knows what he's doing.

@ethanepperson-jones9952

Жыл бұрын

@@atlantic_love you do realize I am complementing his work... Right?

@atlantic_love

Жыл бұрын

@@ethanepperson-jones9952 You realize that it's spam to constantly post these comments over and over, yes? People generally do not come to comments to read dissertations on video quality, or watch someone simp for likes and subscribes. It's nauseating.

@ethanepperson-jones9952

Жыл бұрын

@@atlantic_love I posted, 1, count them, 1 comment, to thank the creator for their work, that they posed for free to a public site. You know what you have the right to do? Not read the comment section. Clearly, you don't have enough happiness or entertainment in your life. I really don't understand why you felt it was necessary to scroll down to the comment section of a video you clearly did not care for, and be a obnoxious to people trying to be friendly. You really are so special ❤️🥰

Really great! Can't wait for the next installment. Hopefully it's more timely than Windows 1.01 was :)

@AnotherBoringTopic

2 жыл бұрын

Given how slow I am at creating these videos, I don’t dare make any specific promises about when part 2 will come out…however Microsoft did set the “timeliness” bar really low ;) My goal is to put out part 2 before the end of the year 🤞

@MATRIXULSTAPANULOUTVERSAL

Жыл бұрын

SO...WHEN IS PART 2 COMING OUT REALLY?

Really loved this video. I'm a software developer myself currently working in a medium-sized company and this story eerily resembles same disfunction that is going on here. It's hopeful to hear it didn't work out at first, and there were so many course changes, and empty promises. And yet it worked out in the end. My first windows was 98, so and i have a lot of nostalgia for those simplier times. I have never been aware of what win 1 really looked like. Looking forward to further chapters.

Good explanation of the somewhat chaotic development process. By the way I still run Windows 1.04 in Virtualbox on a Ryzen 3 2200 G with 8MB of RAM. The minimal amount of memory Virtualbox supports and I don't even complain about the 18MB of video memory Virtualbox needs to run. I have all Windows releases from 1.04 (1987) till 11 (2022), including the NT releases of the nineties. Windows 1.0 is highly modern again with its tiling windows manager :)

@zoomosis

5 ай бұрын

It's funny that 4 MB is the smallest amount of memory you can allocate to a VM in VirtualBox, an absolutely incredible amount of RAM for most PCs from the '80s. Even VBoxManage will return an error if you try allocating less memory: VBoxManage: error: Invalid RAM size: 1 MB (must be in range [4, 2097152] MB)

Fascinating. Your efforts are much appreciated. Looking forward to the next instalment.

In my more mature years, I look back and appreciate the contributions Microsoft has made towards usability and most importantly lowering the cost of computing to the point where it was within reach of most people to own one. They've had their up and downs, but their contributions to equipping the world with usable technology has been amazing.

@lexlayabout5757

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you should watch the video again - Microsoft did not contribute the useabilty of the GUI, they copied others before them. Hardware costs were reduced by companies sourcing from the Far East. Microsoft software was never cheap - Amstrad's boss for example complained that the cost of Windows was the most significant single factor in the cost of their PCs.

@osu9400

Жыл бұрын

@@lexlayabout5757 It doesn't surprise me that the OS is more expensive than any individual HW component. Still, you can't ignore how drastically their work lowered the price of operating systems and made computers more affordable for families. We never saw consumer market penetration until Windows 3.0 was released. It was an incredible game changer and one of the top 10 moments in computing history.

@Ericss2009

2 ай бұрын

@@lexlayabout5757 Later Windows versions definitely contributed to GUI standards. The taskbar has become the norm in OS no matter what form it takes (Mac OS' dock is a form of taskbar).

@lexlayabout5757

2 ай бұрын

@@osu9400Wrote : _" We never saw consumer market penetration until Windows 3.0 was released."_ IDK in what part of the world you were at the time, but most people under the age of 40 tha I knew had a home computer well before Windows 3.0 in 1990, only it was not usually an IBM compatible. I had an Amstrad running CP/M, but there were lots of BBC Micros and Sinclair Spectrums around.

Found this Rise of Windows topic very interesting... I'm very enthusiastic in seeing the next part series. I'm very much looking forward to your future content. Thank you for detailed informative content.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

So glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, I really appreciate it :) I have been obsessed with computer history for about 15 years now and it’s been great to have an outlet for it here on KZread

@Obie327

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Most Welcome and excellent work putting that video together. I'm actually watching another one of your videos. (RYAD) Have a great weekend dear Sir. Cheers!

@beardsntools

Жыл бұрын

Didn't enjoy the video, it's too long and monotonic, but yes Microsoft really did succeed at making and maintaining the world's favorite operating system

Great video. The only thing that bothered me is that Digital Research's GEM Desktop wasn't mentioned, since GEM 1.0 for the PC was released a little before Windows 1.0, in February 1985. The GEM developers had similar challenges getting it to work on PCs of that time, writing drivers, etc. Until the massively successful release of Windows 3.0 in 1990, GEM was still considered a legitimate competitor to Windows. I recall it was bundled with Amstrad's PC clones in 1989, sold here in Australia in Myer department stores. (Though maybe you mentioned GEM in Part 2!)

This was fantastic! Particularly illuminating to watch in the context of current news stories about tech companies overselling demos or poaching technologies from less agile firms. Cannot wait for part 2… you’ve earned a new subscriber!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video! And thanks so much for the sub!

*Extensive, exhaustive, far reaching, informative, well paced, top notch content, a masterpiece for the Computer History Museum! Congratulations!* I started mini-computer H/W & S/W development in 1972 then designed & developed original business & industrial systems starting with CP/M-80 in 1979, MP/M-80 in 1981, CocurrentDOS-386 in 1988 and all of the Microsoft platforms along the way and I have to tell you, you are making me relive the days I was proud to ship product after working 80 hour weeks & going 48 hours straight. Likely only Aerospace & Weapons Development teams experienced the same crazy workloads!

Truly great video! Looking forward part 2!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@ZelenoJabko

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic where is part 2? You like lying to your audience?

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

@@ZelenoJabko Part 2 is coming, it covers Windows 1 post launch up to Windows 3.0. I expect to record the audio in a few weeks, although there is one video ahead of it so it will probably be at least a couple months before it's ready for release.

Love the video , however just a bit of a suggestion , when editing the video try boosting the audio volume, or use a compressor to level the volume. My audio was nearly on full but could barely hear you. When editing your audio should be well into the yellow , but not clipping red.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Excellent feedback and advice, thank you. Audio has been a perennial issue for me, I do use a studio mic but figuring out the right levels and such has been something of an ongoing experiment. I think you will find the audio quality far better on the next computer history video, the audio quality came out very nicely and I have been editing the levels to stay right at the the top of yellow but not cross into red.

I can seriously appreciate this, given that Windows 95 was my first OS. It is amazing to see how far we have come in the past 28 years, let alone 42 in this. I can see why DOS has been considered historical, since 2000, after the final official version of MS-DOS. Keep 'em coming; love these videos!! Oh, and it's incredibly clever how the name "Windows" came about! Suitable name!!

This is going to my new gold standard for tech video essays. This blows almost everything else out of the water. Amazing work.

Very well done summary of the volatile early 80s at Microsoft! I'm looking forward to the next segment.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the compliment, glad you enjoyed it!

I absolutely loved watching this video it's great how much information you managed to fit in just one hour worth of video however I feel like the level of the audios is a bit too low but besides that I can't wait for you to release part 2.

I don't have a computing background, but I love learning about how all of these day to day computing technologies (that we take for granted nowadays) were developed. Thank you.

Most underrated channel on youtube. Seriously. Geat work

@AnotherBoringTopic

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you for all your hard work in producing this thorough yet concise enough to digest documentary. I've been looking for a video such as this for sometime and am well pleased.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, glad you enjoyed it!

I very much enjoyed this documentary and am looking forward to part 2. I'm particularly interested in how windows replaced unix workstations for 3D modelling pipelines

Good to hear this documentary. Looking forward to future episodes. :)

@AnotherBoringTopic

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Great video. What I still dont understand is how Microsoft could ignore the impossibility to create a GUI in graphics mode cause the hardware was not ready for this. They had to move along some further years with the textmode graphics. Therefor I find it interesting that the most used file manager that were also used to start programs were published after Windows 1.0 - especially Norton Commander and XTree. Maybe many programmers were frustrated about how bad Windows 1 was so they started to create these Tools? Especially the late 80s and early 90s was - as I remember it - the time of "PC Tools" and "Norton Utilities". And Microsoft put a file manager into DOS themselves in DOS 5.0 (the DOS shell). Looking foward to your next video and finally... I subscribed to your channel cause your historical research is just awesome. Keep up your great work. I am not sure if this is really something a large audience will appreciate - but I assume many people who watch it DO appreciate it a lot, like I do.

Dang, thought for sure part 2 would be up since I'm viewing it so much later, but alas! Will check out your other material while I wait. Good stuff! 👍👍

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

I am really slow at content creation, but I promise Part 2 is coming. It’s the next video I’ll be working on (script rough draft is largely complete) after I finish editing Fall of OS/2. I only just started editing it though, so it will be probably be a bit before it’s done.

@JustPlayingTheClassics

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic It's great stuff, don't get me wrong. Thanks for your hard work! 🙏 Product is great. Checking out IBM now. 👍

Not boring at all. Extremely interesting. Waiting for part 2.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Tolppu

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic when you make next video from 1986-2023?

@Tolppu

Жыл бұрын

it would take just one freaking part 2???

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

In lieu of making a six hour video, part 2 will solely cover Windows 2 and 3. It may stretch to Windows 3.1 but I’m betting that will be the start of part 3.

Thanks for the fun and informative rewind into Windows history. I started with 3.11 and got to try 2.0 once or twice. Thanks for making it audio-only friendly as well. I'm not sure what tools you have available, but for future videos, can you normalize the volume level up a bit? Adrian's Digital Basement about blew out my speakers when he came up next in my queue (his levels run a bit hot). :D

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Audio is definitely something I am still working on learning. I like to think that each of my videos shows improvement, but I am still finding the right balance. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment and some constructive feedback!

This is fascinating. Thank you for preserving this history in our collective memory. It's so easy to forget how products get started and why they succeed. Especially when the real history gets replaced by fake history coming either from advertising materials or from sensationalized films.

This video is fantastic, and I cannot wait for the other parts albeit they'll be spars, and I get that... I can tell you're putting real passion into these videos/documentaries. Keep it up.

Fantastic series. Very well prepared. I'm waiting for the part three already.

Part 2 please. I'm a nerd who loves this stuff like my grandpa loved old history Channel ww2 documentaries 😁

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and appreciate the compliment! Part 2 is coming, I promise :) But it will probably be at least another 3-4 months

@stevewinner

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic sweet... Btw, was there a part 2 for the Steve Jobs Next video you did? That was excellent and was looking to watch that but couldn't find it

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

That one has been stuck in limbo for well over a year. I intended to get it out the door this past fall, but I am just not happy with the script currently. Until that changes, it’s unfortunately on the back burner.

@stevewinner

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic totally understand and thanks for replying. There's at least one guy hoping to see that but I know your videos must take a LOT of effort/time, so I'll hope to see part 2 one day... Keep doing what you do, it's really good 😊

i didn't realize Amiga Workbench was out in oct.'85 ..a month before windows.. it shows how far ahead of everything the Amiga Workbench was ..blows my mind

"Window manager" is/was a typical term for the individual program that actually drew and managed... well, windows. To this day in Linux, programs that do this are called window managers (often bundled with a complete desktop environment like GNOME or KDE.)

@mercster

Жыл бұрын

Haha, I made myself curious and wondered what the first X11 window manager was: The Ultrix Window Manager (uwm) is a historic standard window manager software for the X Window System from X11R1 through X11R3 releases. The Ultrix Window Manager was developed by the Digital Equipment Corporation for its Ultrix operating system. It was released in 1985.

Thank you for making this documentary.

Can't wait for part two. I'm sure it will come when ready, you pour a ton of effort in these so well worth the wait. This really was captivating.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it and I really appreciate the kind words! Over the past weekend I decided to split Part 2 into two…parts…since the script was heading towards two hours long. So part 2 will cover Windows 2, and part 3 will cover Windows 3.0. Ideally I will record both parts simultaneously in 2-3 weeks, goal is to get them out only a month or two apart. Of course I am terrible at estimating how long a given video will take, so please take that timeframe with a healthy dose of skepticism ;)

This video was the opposite of boring as it was really interesting and informative. Keep up the good work.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, glad you enjoyed it!

This channel is gold. Thanks for your work.

That was extremely interesting. I see you have just started releasing videos again, any chance for part 2 coming out? I understand that probably takes an immense amount of work and time

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Very glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for taking the time to leave a comment! Part 2 is absolutely happening, the script is about 70 percent done and I am very pleased with how it’s coming together. After I record and edit my current video project (Fall of OS/2), I’ll go full speed on windows part 2…not sure yet when it will land because I’m not sure how long it will take me to edit the OS/2 video(looks like it will be 80-90 mins long).

I think it's incredible that Portal exists as a euphemism for Gabe's time and pressure in working on Windows.

congrats and thx for everything. it's suoer nice to see that this bubble in the youtube cosmos does not only keep its quality and sincerety, it even improves. so many great old talk heads like you who stick to the mission, and so many promising newcomers. it's fantastic, the overall quality keeps imoroving and improving, and what i like at keast as much, the content length gets longer and longer, sometimes approaching 2h full feature film documentary format (shout out to crd, another boring subject, adrians digital basement). would love to see more long-format content from you, too, clint!!!

Superbly detailed account. Look forward very much to part 2.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

This is excellent, and must have been a lot of work! Do consider upgrading your microphone, though. This is the first of your videos that KZread recommended to me and I almost hit the back button when I heard the audio quality. I'm glad I didn't, but its definitely a factor in viewer retention.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

I have learned a lot of (mildly painful) lessons about audio(and video…and general production) over the past few years, I’d like to think I am running out of things to do wrong ;) I do have a brand new mic (actually I have two…long story) that I switched to for upcoming videos, and I think I have a much better recording environment than prior, so hopefully there is a noticeable jump in quality going forward.

Awesome video and research. I hope to see the next chapters soon!

@AnotherBoringTopic

7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Part 2 is coming, I’ve edited 52 minutes of it so far (out of 1:54). Should hopefully be ready for release in mid-January

Excellent job, thank you.

This documentary is easily the best and most unique coverage of this moment. I'm going the next one is out soon, and thank you again.

Lots of accurate historical information. Very detailed. One nit: Visi On is pronounced "Visi - On", like VisiCalc but two words. Also "DEC" is an acronym and is pronounced like "Deck".

@jerseyjon73

Жыл бұрын

I felt the same way when he mispronounced Zenith. He pronounced it "Zin-ith" when those of us older know it is "Zee-nith".

@medes5597

Жыл бұрын

According to the VisiOn manual, it's "Vision" stylised visually as "VisiOn" but not pronounced as two words.

Very interesting Windows documentary. Looking forward to part 2.

I really appreciate the narration and valuable extracts of historical information. More Boring Topics please! Now if excuse me I need to dig the source code of Windows 1.0, hopefully I can find it.

Very nice! You spent a lot of time and effort and it shows. Kudows. Please add time stamps 🙏

51:25 -Meanwhile AmigaOS was launched in June 1985 and no comment at all in this documentary. Why everybody just forget about it?

Very much looking forward to the next episode! Subscribed!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the sub!

Love this. Can't wait for Part 2!

What about Digital Reasearch, Inc.'s Graphical Environment Manager (GEM) and the applications they developed for it, like GEM Word-Chart, GEM Draw, etc.? Before 1985, its GUI looked like a Mac on the PC. Then a lawsuit forced a facelift. But it lived on through the 1980's on top of DOS (although it was originally developed for DRI's Concurrent CP/M). I noticed your "B-roll" from The Computer Chronicles with Gary Kildall of DRI. I was DRI's PR account manager at Franson Associates from late 1981 through mid-1983. I worked with Gary Kildall and I saw all this happen. Later, I worked at Intel where GEM was the standard GUI on all employees' PCs (I joined in 1989). But as with many other corporations, Windows became the standard at that company once they validated Windows 3.1.

Great job. I was a teenager during those years and I say you nailed it.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the compliment, glad you enjoyed the video! I did my best to do justice to it, it’s such a fascinating period to study

Amazing. Probably the best documentary on Windows to be found anywhere on the web. Is part 2 of this one as well as the one about Steve Jobs and NeXT coming in the foreseeable future?

@prgnify

Жыл бұрын

Also just to add., I don't want you to think of me as 'entitled', just curious - by your channel size I know this is not your job/main source of income, and that these videos take time, a lot of it, even if it was your primary occupation. So I do believe in you taking as long as you need, I just asked out of curiosity really. Thanks for the awesome videos, I've also watched the IBM saga, Visicalc and as I said, the one about Jobs. All of them are top tier.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

It's definitely not entitled to want to know where part 2 of a video from THREE YEARS AGO is 😋 It is definitely coming at some point, I wanted to have it done and released last fall, but I was just very unhappy with how the script was coming together, so I've kept pushing it back. Rise of Windows part 2 is the next major video after the current one I am working on. The script is about 70% complete (rough draft at least) and it covers from 1985-1990, or rather Windows 1 post release up to the release and reception of Windows 3.0. I'm happy with how the script looks, so its mostly just a matter of getting Fall of OS/2 done and out the door so I can focus on it. I am definitely a candidate for slowest content creator on KZread, so I appreciate your patience! The dream would of course be to do this full time someday, as that would hopefully let me get at least a video a month out. Definitely a long ways away from that but its a good goal to have in mind :)

Great detail given! I always wondered about some aspects of the relations with xerox etc, this filled in that detail that I hadn't found before, thank you!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for taking the time to leave a comment! Xerox itself…oh boy is there a lot of confusion around PARC and what it did and did not do. At some point I am definitely going to do a video on it

Excellent presentation.

I can’t stop thinking about this video days later! I really want to see Part 2 because I first got to use Windows right at the end of the v2.11 era with a runtime version bundled with (what was then) the only GUI word processor, Ami Pro. We made a few wrong bets back then, using features instead of momentum to make plans, and invested heavily in Ami Pro because it looked like the future more than Word for DOS. (I’m fascinated by Part 1’s implication that Word for Windows was kind of happening even before Word for DOS … I knew about Word for Macintosh though). Both Windows 2 and Windows 95 resembled the Mac more than Windows 3 did, and Windows 2 still worked fully & comfortably in a monochrome mode. I still remember vividly the first time I launched the Windows 2 UI, and all the work that went into it was clear with its intentions and parallels to the Mac. I mostly had experience with DOS, Mac, GS/OS and GEOS for Apple II, so there were many monochrome UIs floating around before 1990. The world of colour computing was still pretty rare before VGA became the baseline with the 486 in the 1990s.

Great video - I love this type of stuff. Eagerly awaiting part 2 and beyond.

I didn't knowanyone could talk so long without taking a breath. I had a hard time keeping up. That said thanks for the video, very interesting!

Congratulations very factually rich program, on thing you missed was the Digital Research "GEM " Gui which I remember was released slightly prior to Windows. It was popular here in Europe for a short time. I have an original Win 1.1 in my loft somewhere, which I used in early '86 to be able to run some Mac like DTP programs on a PCXT with 1M of RAM, it was not great but a major step up from my previous company who had a multi user "office automation" box which was basically 16 users sharing on a single 68000 - which meant that using some commands - like "calculate" on the spread sheet equated to take a long coffee break.

What a great video. Looking forward to the next one. New sub. 🙂

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Appreciate the sub!

This video is very informative and interesting. I can’t wait to see what Microsoft had gone through when developing Windows 2.0!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

A very detailed and concise documentary. Just subbed as a result.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the sub!

How have I not seen this channel until now??? Subscribed!

Such a great business study video on leadership, management, development and design.

I keep checking back for part 2!

@AnotherBoringTopic

9 ай бұрын

It’s recorded and the audio has been edited, but I only just started the video editing. At almost two hours long, I am not sure I’ll be done editing it before the end of the year though

@cameronfairbairn

9 ай бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Looking forward to it! Best video I've seen in ages, very informative. Love your work.

This was a really good video. Despite already knowing a lot about the history of Windows, I still learned a ton! Can't wait for part 2 to be published.

This video made the history of Windows far more intriguing then most of TV shows out there! Can't wait for part 2! In the meantime I think I'll devour all the other videos of the channel :)

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

Very welcome documentary, I had learn so many things about this crazy development. Both Apple an Microsoft had miss the A4 paper page simulation of the Xerox project. It was evident that on the standard PC, you can create a semi graphic interface only, To create a GUI you have to supply a graphic card anyway, with serial mouse interface, own processor and memory, using pipes in DOS 3.3 or environ variables for inter tasks communication.

One angle that I think is underexplored in most tellings of the story of Windows is hardware abstraction. Windows had drivers for all major PC video cards, from CGA to Tandy to Hercules to EGA and in some versions even VGA. And for numerous mice and printers. It even had versions for computers that weren't even real IBM compatibles, like the Zenith Z-100 or DEC Rainbow. I've even heard those early Windows releases described as abstraction layers for developers first and environments for the end users second, and Gates' original vision you mentioned seems to fit that narrative.

Excellent work! I’m very excited for the the next part(s)!

Fascinating! Thank you.

Great content, man!! Kudos go out! Please do continue!!

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! The script for part 2 is mostly complete, and I hope to record it by the end of this month. I'm still early in the editing process for the current video (fall of OS/2) though, so the earliest it will be done is probably end of April/early May.

Very well researched, entertaining and informative video. Thank you!

This is great. I subscirbed, but can't wait for part 2

Hope to see part 2 soon as part 1 was quite informative and educational which I enjoyed immensely.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the compliment, I’m glad you enjoyed it! Part 2 is getting close to being ready for recording. I wound up splitting it in half as my original intention of covering both Windows 2/386 and Windows 3.0 in one video resulted in a script approaching two hours long. So part 2 will now solely cover Windows 2/386 and part 3 will solely cover Windows 3.0. I’ll probably stick to this format going forward as well, with each entry just looking at a single Windows release. I am (as usual) well behind where I was hoping to be, however I only have two points to finish covering and one timeline issue to finish researching (two sources give wildly conflicting timelines for a key event in Windows 2 development) and then part 2 will be ready for recording and editing. The script for part 3 is close enough to ready that I’m going to try to get it done and released before the end of summer as well. So the current planned cadence for this summer is RoW part 2, NeXT part 2, RoW part 3. Of course, the usual caveats about this planned schedule being at best a semi-educated guess apply. ;)

@benjaminreynolds3659

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic Thanks for the update! Look forward to it.

This video is an excellent piece of work. You have a new subscriber sir.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, glad you enjoyed it!

new subscriber sez: Bravo Sir! I was surprised by the knee-slapping humor.

I cannot wait to see the WINDOWS NT story. Please give it a very high priority.

@AnotherBoringTopic

Жыл бұрын

I don’t want to get hopes up too much, it’s probably going to be at least a couple years before I get to it. I have done some of the research already, but I definitely still have a lot more reading and researching to do(“Showstopper!” is an excellent book on NT btw). I plan to carry the rise of windows series through a couple more parts(probably 3 more parts) to get up to Windows ME, then I’ll focus on NT up until Windows 2000. After that I can merge the two series into one, starting with XP. Given how slow my production process is, the only way to speed things up would be if I managed to go full time in this. And TBH that seems unlikely. But you never know :)

@eshgholah

Жыл бұрын

@@AnotherBoringTopic No worries brother. Thanks 👍