You make the best videos! So educational 🙏

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Youre a phenomenal businesswoman, thank you so much for your ongoing support 🙌

I just want to make one thing very clear that “clean beauty” is more of a marketing buzzword than it actually is a change in how your skincare and cosmetics are made. It just simply does not exist.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Non-toxic too is a marketing term. Generally cosmetics are heavily about marketing really, very little is truly new and a lot is based on perception. Theyre luxury goods after all 🤷

@celiaortega2372

5 ай бұрын

True.

@user-ci2wg1pp4p

5 ай бұрын

Certainly, while the term "non-toxic" and "clean beauty" can sometimes be used as marketing buzzwords, there is merit in recognizing that certain beauty products do adhere to higher standards of cleanliness and safety than others.

@sumlem

5 ай бұрын

​@@user-ci2wg1pp4pI suggest you look into cosmetic chemistry on KZread. Because all labs have standard procedures. Regulations play a big part in that. Labs that don't follow regulations or standard practice, are often due to the result of human exploitation. Chemophobia has really rid the nuances of how products are produced.

@IceyCat134

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-ci2wg1pp4p i would argue that’s not true. the word “clean” does not have any federal regulations, so brands can make up their own version of what it is and there’s nothing to stop them from lying

I use to love DE until I saw a dermatologist on TikTok go through the ingredients. They’re upselling basic stuff you can find for a fraction of the price

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, but thats kind of their whole thing, I dont think theyve ever not been transparent about that

@tiyya91

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT yeah agreed . I just figured because of the price point and fancy names , I figured I was getting the best of the best LOL. I guess the marketing worked

@MsFlamingFlamer

5 ай бұрын

I used to use DE hoping for some miracle. Now most of my skincare is drugstore like ELF and Pacifica and I never looked better

@duckiezoomie

5 ай бұрын

I use The Ordinary products. I don’t feel a need to spend an arm and a leg on name brand Marula oil.

@DallasNatureLover

5 ай бұрын

I checked skincare routine information provided by dermatologists online then came up with the types of products I wanted in my routine - retinol, antioxidant, chemical exfoliant, etc. Then I researched specific products for each and found products recommended by dermatologists, none of which cost more than $40. In fact most are under $30. There are pricier skincare products that are fine, and if the scents and textures are enjoyable there is no harm in many of them. But it’s not necessary to spend more.

I work at Sephora, for 15 years. I remember how big of a deal it was when it came out... The popularity died. I never got any great results from the products myself.🤷 Now girls between 10 and 15 are in love with it and come into the store and steal it constantly and make huge messes with it because ticktock smoothies.

@Charlie66276

5 ай бұрын

I’m sorry but this is hilarious

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

They found a way to market to a new market, time will tell if it made sense or if the stolen losses will not have been worth it 🤷

@Officially_Vera

5 ай бұрын

I Personally think it is overpriced. Just use bubble or something 1:14

@Nottodaysatan09

5 ай бұрын

This makes me so glad I don’t have a TikTok. Social media ignorance is absolute bliss.

@jesalopez660

5 ай бұрын

Tik tok made me do it lol

It's crazy that they charge $40 for a bar of soap and claim the profit margin of that product is too low 🤦

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I want to know what the profit margin was so bad 💀

@dreamcatcher75418

5 ай бұрын

I never liked their soaps. They leave my skin DRY and CRINKLY.

@eatmyoctopus

5 ай бұрын

Depends what it costs to make

@tessaelto1472

5 ай бұрын

@@eatmyoctopusA lot of soap/skincare makers in the comments have said their ingredients cost pennie's

I’ve tried various drunk elephant products and tbh they were not worth the price at all. It’s kinda sad how many little kids want products from that brand lol .

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

They seem really popular on tiktok rn

@KsenijaCelner

5 ай бұрын

I’ve been a hobby soap maker for 15 years and have been making my own skincare preparations. When I see someone made a multimillion dollar company based on a bar of soap for which the ingredients cost literally pennies, I struggle to comprehend what kind of people are actually buying into this stuff. I had a look on their website and diseected some of the ingredients list and I can tell you the stuff is truly nothing special. Their margins must be astronomical.

@lostfilmkid221b

5 ай бұрын

@@KsenijaCelner I'm starting (but struggling) to start my own makeup line. And along the way I've learned its all abt your integrity and creativity. Playing pretend wont serve anyone in the long run.

@Nivieee

5 ай бұрын

My 9yo niece asked my dad for a 70$ cream for her birthday. She's 9, she doesn't need that 🥲

@meikoblock

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYTI think it’s bc the Kardashian kids posted a TikTok of them using the products. So of course other 9 yr olds want it.

I was never fascinated by the products of Drunk elephant.... they're overpriced, overhyped, and there are more affordable alternatives. Well, looking forward to your video on KVD beauty.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Shes very high on my list, Im interested to find out more

@sourpatchkid394

5 ай бұрын

I think the price was so out of hand that I never even considered a serious buy for me

@laur83

5 ай бұрын

the controversies and prices of the brand have always kept me away. did get a sephora sample of a moisturiser once tho and i did really enjoy it. but i’ll never buy from them

idk, it always bothered me that they put turmeric in their vit c oil. Obviously it was only put in to hide any hint of the vit c going rancid by making it an orangey color and saying it was the turmeric, not the fact that their serum was inactive...

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Oh thats interesting

I think you’re missing how huge it is with teens and tweens now. The brand is HUGE on TikTok

@jenathent4840

5 ай бұрын

That is the reason it is falling. Once the tweens get a hold of something the older groups stop buying. It becomes “uncool” and tends to shrink in the market

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I think its certainly a strategy theyre going for for brand extension, and it seems to be working. Young people have a lot of buying power bcs of their parents and getting them in young has the potential to make life long customers

@litalpeled2055

Ай бұрын

@@underskinYTI think the hype of this brand within tweens would eventually fade out (as trends do) and then the brand would eventually TANK

Surprising you didn’t mention they’re currently in a lot of headlines around the demand for the products from kids/preteens

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Yeah maybe I should have, I think its certainly a smart way for them to have started what I said in the end about finding a way to extend the brand’s lifespan

@sumlem

5 ай бұрын

​@@underskinYTthey're not specifically marketing to tweens. It's social media type and word of mouth. I've spoke to brand reps and they are actually trying to pull away from that image by marketing and producing new products aimed at mature skin. Because while they have popular products amongst tweens, their once flagship products are becoming their worst sellers because of the active ingredients.

@dendex26

5 ай бұрын

OH!!! This explains why the DE testers are DISGUSTING AF!!!! I don't use the testers but I walk by the DE to get K18 & CosRX, and every DE tester looks as if a foundation, bronzer, blush, moisturizer & serum got drunk, mated & then threw up simultaneously.

I LOVE the baby facial mask, but it's ridiculously expensive. So I did some searching and found paulas choice has a similar mask for half the price, so I switched to it.

@iiswhoiisss4410

5 ай бұрын

Yeah but also half the product 😢 that’s the thing about Paula’s choice, they seem cheaper but most of their products are half of what you get from Drunk Elephant

@Knuckles2868

5 ай бұрын

@iiswhoiisss4410 I know, I'm very torn between the two but if I only have 45 bucks the paulas choice works nor quite as good as baby facial but I just can't afford it right now

@Maidenhair

5 ай бұрын

Which PC product?

@Knuckles2868

5 ай бұрын

@Maidenhair it is the skin perfecting 25%aha+2%bha exfoliant peel rinse off mask. Sheesh it's a mouthful but it's great

@Adri_Unsung

5 ай бұрын

@@Knuckles2868doesn’t the ordinary aha peel work similarly

What’s really interesting is Drunk Elephant started being featured to me in social media (I’m in the U.K. so I’ve never heard of it before). I suspect that social media algorithms thinks I’ll like DE because I like brands such as Korea’s Romand & SKIN1004 and Japan’s Hada Labo & Biore UV. When I do look up DE I mostly see young girls using it on their “aesthetic girl” posts. Given their marketing you explained, I can see how it can convince people going for that “aesthetic” trend.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Oh I just went to a skin1004 event the other day (I was a +1) and their marketing team was so incredibly nice!

One thing I can clarify the animal testing part is: The 'loophole' for Mainland China market back in 2019 was through e-commerce, Drunk Elephant entered the mainland China market via Alibaba's TMall International where consumers can buy the product directly from outside of the "border" basically bonded warehouses. They don't have to follow the mandatory animal testing law since they did not sell products physically inside the region. Many other brands were doing the same, such as Fenty Beauty and Charlotte Tilbury (which had showrooms for consumers to try but they still had to order online). Until the gov updated the law in 2021, now brands like Aesop is rapidly expanding in the mainland.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Brilliant, thank you 🙌

I’ve seen many tik toks mentioning the rise of Drunk Elephants popularity with children / pre-teens. Any thoughts on that?

@chandelierprincess

5 ай бұрын

I've seen christmas wishlists from kids on X (which were posted by their relatives) where the children are asking for skincare from Drunk Elephant and lipoils from Dior. Why are these kids watching skincare content? Otherwise why would they ask for these products?

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

IMo its all to do with social media, its just the modern form of advertising, and especially now advertising on TV is so heavily regulated towards children while its so unregulated online, it leaves more space for influence

@kaylaEA_

5 ай бұрын

@@chandelierprincessAlso the DE packaging with bright colors appeals to teens. The price though 😮

@amandaboutourline4070

5 ай бұрын

I noticed that too and now seeing that animation sequence at the end of the video, I can see that this is no accident.

@VoiceOftruth-lj6bj

5 ай бұрын

It’s true!!

I have used the brand before and even featured on their instagram.and I must say, what really works is building a skincare habit, and does not need to be this expensive.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Its expensive for marketing not for product. But then if we exclusively wanted good product thered be no need to keep changing bcs we would all stick to the same

Drunk Elephant gave me one of the worst adult breakouts- only second to SK-II Essence... but they took months to fix all the blackheads that formed, omg it was the worst! But I tried to give a bad review on Sephora & it disappeared in a week. I'm convinced they had a team in there to downvote & report all reviews that had pictures of rashes because I saw others mysteriously disappear! (This was back in the old days when it was first introduced to Sephora). That was my only review in 50-100 approved and deleted, so that says something.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Hmm yeah that is suspicious

@juliiaa.kk8

5 ай бұрын

I had the same experience, I feel you.

@dreamcatcher75418

5 ай бұрын

SK-II essence was the ABSOLUTE WORST!!! I broke up and it lasted for DAYS!! Horrible product IMO.

@ritaamor283

5 ай бұрын

I am always cautious of brands that have only positive reviews for that reason, it cannot be possible and usually is because money has power over the reviews.

@PeacefulSeraph

5 ай бұрын

@dreamcatcher75418 right?! Everyone was pushing it so hard on YT, & it didn't do anything except give me a rash/acne. I asked around & people were telling me it was the "purge" period, so I used it for a week like a dummy. My local Sephora was shocked to see a SK-II product get returned, but no way I'm keeping using something that expensive that ruined my skin (for 3 months). Also, is it just me or was the smell vile as it dried?

I am a follower of Caroline Hirons, and I remember when DE spoke negatively about her, even though she had promoted and spoke so positively about their products. I think Caroline had just talked about how they may want to change something about how they promoted the product and DE’s team went off on her. It never sat right with me and I won’t buy anything from them since.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I could be wrong, a couple people coented about CH so thts why Im asking, but I dont think she ever made a video about it no? I included Hyram because he gave a rundown of what happened is all

@mprice333

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT she never made a video about it, but posted about it on her website. That’s where I read about it. Hard to put stuff from a blog in a vid like yours. Loved your work, DE will probably continue to rise, but I am cool with not contributing to it.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

@@mprice333 Okay I see, thank you for the information. I definitely do use blog posts as text in my videos, so yeah, Ill be more careful to include the original source instead of using another's summation (or I could do both) Thank you 🤍

From what i gather, Hyram and Cassandra are going through cancellation themselves, Hyram for being uncertified skincare "specialist" with questionable team-up with The Inkey List who has their own list of mishaps, such as being caught selling Salicylic Acid Cleanser labelled 2% when test showed it actually higher (4%??)! LOL. Cassandra is also being called out for for not disclosing ads and affiliate links and also that shady purple sunscreen collaboration with Isntree that (she said) she did not get the profit from the sales. Like what? I hate companies who market clean non toxic skincare equally as I hate skincare companies and influencers who fear monger fragrance and aromatics in skincare!

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Honestly influencers arent my forte tbh, I dont follow the scandals very closely, I guess Im just more interested in branding and retailing than I am in individuals as people. I watch them mostly to see how products are received by the public than the people themselves tbh, so I often just dont see when they have problems like this. So thank you for the information 🤍

@anamikakhan593

5 ай бұрын

Well said! Although I still wish more brands formulate skincare without fragrance simply because alot of us don't react well to fragrance. But ofcourse, fear mongering is always a big red flag in a brand.

@carvitqmilate9244

5 ай бұрын

What 4% salycid acid that weird for friendly brand skincare

@carvitqmilate9244

5 ай бұрын

​@@anamikakhan593have you try Cetaphil? I can use fragrance in my skincare routine cause it's get me the feel of shower

@sharroon7574

5 ай бұрын

​@anamikakhan593 I agree, I can not handle fragrance but maybe it's fine for some

I’m not sure if DE ever has a “fall” it’s still pretty popular amongst people who haven’t done enough research and are willing pay for overpriced products and branding

@VoiceOftruth-lj6bj

5 ай бұрын

Exactly! I feel this lady want them to fall... but DE here in Canada are going strong , now recently we have them in shopper drug mart too , not just Sephora

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

What Im forseeing is a rebrand down the line to move the packaging onto something newer while keeping the product the same/similar. I dont want them to fail, my opinion is moot really, but having been going so long, any brand will need to switch it up to keep fresh

@dreamcatcher75418

5 ай бұрын

I feel like the OG consumers STILL love their products.

love this video. so happy I found your channel!!!

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

The fact that they are marketing their products for children I won’t go near the brand, kids skins are going to be ruined.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Well, they say that they are not doing any kind of social media marketing, so whether they are actively doing it or whether it has naturally been picked up by younger kids that still up for debate

Friends 10 yr old daughter asked for a bunch of drunk elephant for Christmas… like what?.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

You didn't ask for anything like this when you were a kid? I asked for so many random things, OPI or Jessica nail polish, Garnier caffeinated eye roller, a bunch of stuff

@ritaamor283

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYTgood point. But the question is...did you get all that as presents? I do recall asking for a Clarins body oil when I was twelve year old I think, and I did receive it. But it was just that. (I saw it on vogue I guess, which was as damaging for a twelve year old to read back then as tik tok nowadays). I may have the wrong idea, but I do feel that parents buy a lot more and more expensive beauty products for their children.

So informative!!! Love your content

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Im so glad you enjoyed it, I thought the start of DE specifically was so interesting

@jillianf8th

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT definitely! I’m coming to understand marketing and advertising so much more. Especially how it can potentially make or break everything

I wonder if DE's overwhelming success with tweens/teens will be their eventual downfall. I've never been obsessed with the brand, but the only time I hear about DE anymore is with stories of young girls terrorizing Sephora workers and patrons for their skincare smoothies. If a brand's main clientele is becoming spoiled mean girls I fear those characteristics will get attached to the brand itself (especially after their PR thing). And how long until this young audience moves on to the next trend, leaving the DE brand with the label of "skincare for the wealthy mean girls in school"?

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I dont think it will be tbh, getting a younger consumer base on board is nearly always a way to guarantee future success. If you can get brand loyalty early on then you can get a lifelong customer, its why Europe is so careful about it and why so many brands (think like McDonalds) had to change so much

i became an esthetician during the rise of drunk elephant and i always thought they were extremely overrated. for those formulas and especially for those prices, it's better to buy professional grade products instead.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I do wish I knew more about the chemical side and the biological side of cosmetics, I think that’s one area where my knowledge is really lacking

Col video. I've been using DE since their launch. I still love their moisturizers and their BHA TLC treatment. TLC really cleans off all the dead skin and I'm left with beautifully fresh skin the next morning. I don't really use their other product because of the price point. I feel like i can get the same for less but I swear by those two OG products. What I like the most is that the moisturizers aren't perfumed. I wish other brand would sell moisturizers with out perfume as well.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

If theres one thing my skin hates more than anything else its scents. Immediately if it has a scent I know I will react to it and I hate that bcs so much of it smells so good

Such a detailed brand study! Thank you.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 🙌

Once these companies get sold it is always going down the drain. Prices go up, quality and formula go down. I saw that happening with a lot of former owned by founder brand which were sold to estee lauder, chanel etc. such as Paulas's Choice, NYX, the ordinaty etc. However, I never purchased anything from DE because it is horribly overpriced, just like dermalogica. After checking the ingredients I couldnt find anything that was worth the price. There are so many great branda out there, smaller ones, which have great formulas at lower prices.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Its so frustrating that this is often the case

Thank you so much for very informative videos. I really appreciate learning about marketing techniques

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Im so glad you enjoyed it! The marketing and retailing of cosmetics is just fascinating to me

Drunk elephant's retinol (A Passioni cream) is still by far the most irritating retinoid I have ever used, and that includes prescription retinoids. What was also problematic was the fact that Drunk Elephant suggested that it could be mixed with their glycolic acid product, which is terrible advice and a recipe for a damaged skin barrier. Finally, they've had problems with their customer service, in that their approach seemed to be 'the customer is always wrong'. When customers made complaints about the products, Drunk Elephant reps told them they must be using the products wrong. It was as if the statt couldn't countenance their products not working for everyone.

@user-mz7de3kc3d

5 ай бұрын

I didn’t have and issues with the retinol. It has amazing reviews.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

So many complaints about the retinol, I didnt realise it wS so widely hated

@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559

5 ай бұрын

@user-mz7de3kc3d That's irrelevant to me though, as it ruined my skin for over a month after I used it. The ingredients list for the retinol is extremely long, which makes it more likely to irritate the skin. And Drunk Elephant advising customers that they could use it with their glycolic serum was just plain irresponsible - that's a recipe for destroying the skin barrier.

Expensive brands need to justify their price point. Drunk elephant was never able to do that

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

For a long time they had a wonderful differentiator, of course times have changed but they certanly used to be able to justify well

Hi, I've been watching your content for a little while now and I've come across no one else that does videos with such meticulousness. With that being said, will you eventually be doing a video on the Rise and Fall or Potential Fall of Glossier? Thank you!

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Do you know, I was really interested in doing a rise and fall of glossier, but since the book came out, it seems that every channel has exactly that video, and I just want to be able to provide more value than that. So for now I’m waiting, but that doesn’t mean that I won’t have something later

loved the video! you should do one about Gisou and Glow Recipe

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

oohhhh great idea, I didnt think of them before, let me add them to my list

the fact that DE is more expensive than Tatcha just completely blows my mind

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Isnt tatcha under Unilever though? They tend to have cheaper price points

Great video

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

legit the only people I see using drunk elephant are influencers who get sent the products for free and 10 year olds who are ruining their skin cause they convince their parents to buy it for them because the packaging is cute and colorful lol

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

They claim not to spend anything on influencer marketing, so Idk if this is grey area and gifting isnt spending for them, but its oft championed for sure

I subscribed. I really like this video. I never knew where drunk elephant came from, I kept hearing about it everywhere else. Never actually bought their products though. Also, you mentioning that the market invents problems like making body hair unappealing and selling shaving stuff never occurred to me ahaha. I guess they make money off our insecurities.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! And yeah, thats what cosmetics is right? Its cosmetic, it finds our insecurities and sells us stuff to ‘cure’ them. Fascinating industry

@yona7606

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT I'm still glad for deodorant becausepeople be really sweating and smelling REAL bad without them, that's not a problem "created" by the marketing industry imo 😭 (unlike body hair)

Elephants have been known to get "drunk" when they eat fermented fruit off the ground. This is not a myth, studies in the past ten years have discovered why elephants are affected this way. "In fact, elephants are likely exceptional lightweights because they - and many other mammals - lack a key enzyme that quickly metabolizes ethanol. The findings highlight the need to consider species on an individual basis" They are not the only type of animal that can get inebriated, just the biggest and probably most surprising.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Elephants do not eat food from the ground by choice 🤍

Thanks for the insight to help my own research 😊

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I hadn't heard of Drunk Elephant before a few weeks ago when I started seeing it all over TikTok, very interesting to see their history 🙏

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 🙌

I love my drunk elephant products. My acne prone skin is so much better in this dry cold weather. I just wish it was more affordable.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Thats great! Im glad you found something you love 🤍

these sensationalist “takedown” videos are so pointless and just a view grab for the creator to make $. there’s no fall. they’re not bankrupt. in fact they’re incredibly popular and now even moreso. they’re literally a leading skincare brand by sales $. ppl can consternate in the comments all they want but that woman is laughing alllll the way to the bank. So what are we talking about here?

@LPno.9

5 ай бұрын

This isn't a takedown, it's an examination that tries hard to be objective about the companies featured. One thing left out about their hostile social media presence was how they would weaponize their fauthful customers to help attack critics as well as people innocently asking questions about the products. Some people started referring to the behavior as cult-like. It seems that aspect of the company hasn't changed much.

@awlmut

5 ай бұрын

@@LPno.9 how is this an objective video when in the first 30 seconds they say, and I quote VERBATIM “… everything has gone to pot and the company has lost ALL of its initial buzz” That statement is objectively UNTRUE when, DE quite literally found new buzz with a new younger demographic and had massive stock outs this very year due to its continued popularity. It actually says so much about the state of our society that the average beauty consumer will watch these factually untrue videos designed only to put coins into the content farm’s pockets, and actually think they’re getting some juicy comeuppance scoop

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I think youre both right tbh, the title and the intro is meant to draw in people, thats its job, but the rest of the video is meant to be unbiased review of the company and how its reached the status it got to. Unfortunately using hyperbole like that at the beginning of the video works and is a necessary evil if I want anyone to click or watch to actually see the useful and informational content behind it 🤷 I too wish that wasnt the case, but most simply wouldnt have watched or commented without it and we all just have to pick our battles

@LPno.9

5 ай бұрын

@@awlmut You may be quoting that line verbatim (no yelling caps needed because I think you can see the words here like I can), but you still removed it from its context and ignored whole other lines saying that it isn't actually falling off. The company experienced controversies that plummeted its credibility with a lot of people for a while. The video cites some well-known influencers who came out against the company because of their poor ethics. Other people disliked their unscientific marketing. They faced a major lawsuit. Had not this video explained that it's still a successful company, I would have thought they were on their way out. But note that the title says there could be a potential fall and not a fall full stop. Again, clear contextual information that the video is not asserting that the company is done. And of course it goes on to very clearly say that a fall may not actually come because the company has rebounded from their earlier problems and is doing well in Asia's huge and competitive skincare market. The available information about the company is what it is, and this channel is reporting on what has happened. No one is telling you or anyone else that the products are bad and shouldn't be used. I don't know if the phenomenon of very young people causing the brand to trend again was purposely left out (if I didn’t miss it), but I would understand if it was just to avoid people in that demographic getting angry and lashing out at the video without understanding that the company isn't being harmed.

10:16 loveeee the marketing tidbit. This really made me realize a lot and makes me a smarter and more critical consumer

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Im glad, marketing is powerful, one should always be sceptical (but fair too)

No mention of the Caroline Hirons interaction with D E and how that came to being. Also there was a PSA to parents not to buy any expensive skincare for teens /tweens due to the rise in demand of DE on Christmas lists.

@qwp0983

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, Caroline Hirons was a huge supporter until she wasn’t. She interviewed Tiffany twice! But then DE’s socials recommended some sketchy “cocktails”, she called them out and then they personally attacked her. Hyram was responding to DE being awful to her.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I thought I was clear in adding CH from the Hyram video that explained it, because I dont think she ever made a video about it? (I could be wrong) On the PSA tho, I dont mnow if anyone would listen to that? Didnt your parents by you clealry older products when you were young? I had a bunch (St Ives comes to mind 💀💀)

@dobcsek

5 ай бұрын

@@qwp0983probably she got paid by DE until she wasn’t. I used to follow Caroline but eventually I realised she is not a dermatologist and she makes a (very good) living out of brand sponsorship (she would promote creams from Chantecaille and stuff like that). Since I only have limited time for KZread, I decided to follow real experts like dr Dray instead.

I would love to see you do a deep dive on Tata Harper and her name sake brand- 100% natural and the queen of green non toxic skincare her brand states!

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Ill add it to my list 🤍

@sharonharris9782

5 ай бұрын

Full if essential oils

I am not watching much skincare content anymore and even when I do, I never hear of them. But seeing on Tiktok that all the kids (8-15 year olds) want DE, is so weird. Where is the hype coming from? What influcers are the kids watching???

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

The two big ones for DE were Alix Earle and Hyram which is why I talk about them specifically in the video. They had such an impact that Tiffany herself thanks them in interviews. They grew pretty hard from influencer endorsement (which they claim to have never paid for)

@user-lw9ut2ms6m

5 ай бұрын

I work for Ulta and this holiday season I can’t begin to tell you how many kids that were under the age of 14 asking for Drunk Elephant.

@tonyasmith5437

5 ай бұрын

They are buying the bronzi and rosy drops mostly

What really works for good skin is good sleep, exercise, low stress, prescription skincare, in office procedures and basic trusted products from drugstore brands like Eucerin, Cerave and Vanicream.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Most people dont need much more than that for sure

the bar cleansers really helped and cleared up my skin, sad its not available in stores anymore iirc

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

The juju bar? Or pekee?

I will admit that despite being well aware of DE’s very valid critiques I’ve still given in and purchased (and repurchased) quite a bit from them 😳their packaging is hard for me to resist, and some of the products really are quite good! That vitamin C in particular 👌🏼 The moisturizing creams however have always caused me pretty bad reactions. I’ve since been trying to support smaller indie skincare brands .

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Oh thank you for that, I havent tried it myself because I have such sensitive skin and often kind of have to stick to moisturisers

@eleanorchan872

5 ай бұрын

Look at the main ingredients of the moisturisers and buy a version from Cetaphil, Dermaveen, Alpha Keri, La Roche Posay etc. Paula's Choice as well. Spend money on your serums, but not necessarily your moisturiser.

@abbyc.4458

5 ай бұрын

Yep I agree with you. Cerave PM has been my savior for years. Also I refuse to spend on a cleanser that is just going to go right down the drain! Simple is better & I need to be better about not wanting to try new stuff with cute colors haha

@eleanorchan872

5 ай бұрын

@@abbyc.4458 the Cerave PM has niacinamide in it. Great moisturiser. I buy the Cetaphil Advanced Daily Hydrating Lotion. I need hydration more than moisture on a daily basis. I love it. In Australia, I like buying the Mecca own range of serums and oils, as they are more affordable alternatives to luxury brands and do just as good a job.

@user-wz4wi6tp9d

5 ай бұрын

Honestly, same, I love some of their products. Personally, the Vitamin C serum, B-Hydra serum, Maracuja oil, and Jelly cleanser are great. It really depends on someone's skin. Though people often criticized their ingredient lists, I remember James Welsh mentioned one time (unrelated to DE), that even if the ingredients are the same, the quality (where they sourced it from), the formula or procedure they used to create their products would still be different. Just like how, 2 chefs could have the same ingredients to make a cake, but the cakes can still be different from each other.

♥️ Love your content. I’d really love a video on the rise and downfall of Leandra Medine regarding Man Repeller and her “brand”.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I would love to do that, but itd definitely be on my fashion channel

@ritaamor283

5 ай бұрын

I vote on this one too!

Yeah. I remember going to Sephora trying to buy something but it was just so many preteens all over and ruining the testers. Like why don’t they stick to Cerave or start at the bottom with Proactive at least….

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Okay but we stan Cerave here, Im too sensitive int he skin not to stan Cerave 💀

I worked at Sephora right around when they started carrying and OMG the internal training videos were hilariously over serious and pompous. As an aside, I think an understitch episode on ManRepeller would be interesting.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

So Im now going to need to see that training video 💀 (Also Id love to do that too)

I was given a couple of their products which I like a lot. However, in my experience, when it comes to buying skincare it pays to be exclusive and stingy. I ditched everything for a while, cleansing only with spring water then slowly implemented in products made with whole plant extracts, and saturated fats (shea butter, tallow, squalane), no essential oils or fragrance. Finding a skincare company that showed the process of making the product, including the purpose of each ingredient, and why they dont use surfactants/etc really helped me understand what i was putting on my skin and what i dont want to put on it. It's hard to find but the products are 🔥🔥🔥

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Im so glad you found soemthing that works so well for you!

I'll reiterate what others have said here: "clean" or "non toxic" beauty is BS. Anyone who actually understands cosmetic chemistry and isn't ethically challenged will tell you to stop worrying about "chemicals" in your beauty products, because literally everything that exists in physical form is made of chemicals, and being unable to pronounce something is a the fault of the reader, not the ingredient. As a dyslexic, I understand reading is hard, but everything has a chemical name along with its common name, and we just have to accept that.

@underskinYT

2 ай бұрын

For sure, totally impossible, but great for marketing

I’m so surprised by this. I have used DE regularly in 2016-2017 and really Found the pink cap, blue cap, and the baby facial and luxury Marula oil to work really well. Maybe there are cheaper alternatives but I have used The ordinary’s marula oil and didn’t find it as nice as the DE one. They may be overpriced and I did stop using it because it was pricey and I also moved on to other skincare products. But I think the points are fair. There are less expensive items who probably work just as well. At the end of the day, skincare is most effective when it’s used consistently. The packaging definitely made me happy with it on my shelf and I looked forward to using it.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Even though you moved on, Im glad you found something that worked for you and brought you joy to look at though, that in itself is so difficult these days

One of the first times I heard about drunk elephant was when a beatyguru I follow said that after some months of using the vitamin C product, it started to form some weird things in the product that cause an elergic reaction even though it was stored properly.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Oh thats not great, I didnt hear that myself

everything that rises has a potential fall...

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Esp in cosmetics yeah

I’ve never used drunk elephant products, and I typically stick with The Ordinary and CeraVe. I’m also looking to try éthique’s products because they are better for travel, take up less space, and harm the environment less. This was very interesting!

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Theres always so much hate for CeraVe but I also love them 💀

I use two of their serums and really love the formulation and effect it has on my skin. A few years of use in and I see no reason to stop using DE.

@VoiceOftruth-lj6bj

5 ай бұрын

Same here

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

If you like the product then there really isnt a reason to stop. So much of beauty is marketing, cosmetic if you will, that if you find what works its just best to stick to it

Can’t believe this video didn’t talk about how ONLY 9 year old use there products now. Who knows what this brand is responsible for in terms of insecurities in minors.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I think thats part of the brand extension I go over at the end, but Im not sure if its purposeful so Id rather have that for a follow up when we know more 🤍

I tried a bunch of DE products and they did nothing for my skin. The Marula oil is nice but there are so many great skincare products today, I doubt I will support the brand in the future.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I agree that there are so many products, its a bit like fashion in that way, its just so so hard to know where to go for what will suit you best and isnt just hype

I think it will take a while for drunk elephant to truly fall, because their target audience is ignorant consumers with money to burn, and that makes it so easy for them to avoid coming under scrutiny from enough of their consumer base to really impact their sales. I don’t care for them, and while I think it’s a waste of time to idly pray on anyone’s downfall, I wouldn’t be sad to see them go.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s very fair to call their customers ignorant, they just have a different set of values and drunk elephant has found a way to market towards those values. That’s just what brands do, they find what we want, or what we are insecure about, and market towards that, drunk elephant is no different too most of brands in that respect

I used a few products years ago. Most of it was meh, but I did love a couple but the brand lost me because of the Caroline Hirons situation.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

It was very invalidating for sure

Heat video. I tried a variety kit and the TLC facial twice. Both purchase had a defective jar and left lots of product in the bottom of the airless pump bottle. Research showed I wasn’t the only one by far. At 80 bucks per bottle I never purchased anything from them again.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Oh thats so crappy, noone likes bad packaging

I would be curious to see this type of video on Kate Somerville

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Added to the list 🤌

They aren't falling because every 4th grader wants to use these products now

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I think thatll be their plan for brand extension too tbh, aiming young gains lifelong customers often

I’ve been a DE user since about 2017. I started with the two duo samples and after my 4th purchase, I decided to buy the normal sizes. Honestly, I love those 4 products from them. I worked in dermatology and tried all the L’Oréal lines (La Roche Posay/Vichy/Cera Ve), plus skincare I purchased and returned like Naturium, Mad Hippie, Korean skincare lines, etc. (I’m not going to list every product ever but hopefully you get the point). None of their products worked for me the way the DE products do. I use other brands products (pimple patches, benzoyl peroxide, face wash, and cosrx) so I’m not strictly DE, but I can’t knock a product that I’ve continuously gone back to. Note: I’m also 32, the lower end of the age range which should be using their products.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I honestly wish I could use more products. I test them if I can get my hands on them, but my skin is so painfully sensitive that I just have to love skincare and makeup from afar. Maybe thats why Im so fascinated with the marketing and history side, because its my way of engaging with it 🥹

There products always breaks me out!

i only ever buy my moisturizers on sale. best moisturizers i’ve ever used.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Drunk elephant moisturiser?

I know humans are followers but this is getting insane, why do all these little kids want this sephora overpriced brand ? The fact that its called "drunk" elephant is weird aswell

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Did you see the videos of the children with Stanley cups? It reminds me of when I was a kid and wanted bathroom scales and a very specific fountain pen. Marketing is a wild thing

@amatullah4819

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT what’s so jarring is that (at least for me) it feels like kids now want all the expensive brands like SDJ, drunk elephant, etc. i’m gen z and when i was a kid the hype was around drugstore brands like EOS, baby lips, lipsmackers

@ritaamor283

5 ай бұрын

I agree with the name being weird. Even for adults, worse being target literally for kids.

@maryeckel9682

5 ай бұрын

​@underskinYT for my generation, it was pink Princess phones.

You should do "Proactiv" next, it was so popular and now people barely mention it.

@underskinYT

2 ай бұрын

Oh thats actually a great idea

can you do a video on niche perfumes?

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

My perfume videos dont traditionally do as well tbh, I did want to initially, but to grow I kind of have to go where the views are 🤍

“Consumers that know you in a toxic way” sounds amazing haha

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

💅

The design of the bottles is a large part of the success in my opinion. They managed to create a brand which feels new yet expensive and hence desirable. It made you think they are really high quality because of the buzz, price point and packaging.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

The packaging is made in Korea, I believe the same factory as Dr Jart

Evidently, they have been marketing heavily towards tweens and teens on tik tok. Two of the skincare subreddits I follow were flooded with parents over the past couple months asking if DE products were okay for their 9 (?!?), 10, 11-14 year olds. That the price point alone wasn't enough of a signal to these parents that they aren't blew my mind. (And no, the kids weren't just asking for gentle cleansers and moisturizers lol. exfoliants, the vitamin c, and/or retinols were always included.)

@ritaamor283

5 ай бұрын

I had similar discussions with parents, mostly online and one in real life. How on earth is it normal to buy adult pricey beauty routines, you say tweens, but I actually talked to parents of a 8 year old. 😮. I already commented above so I don’t want to repeat myself but this year, not only I heard of a lot of parents buying DE as a gift, as well luxury beauty advent calendars...what??

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I feel like we were like this too as kids though, different price point but St Ives, the Garnier eye roll on, YSL touche eclat, like why would I possibly need that at that age? But thats what I wanted, just because of marketing rly

@bumblebeemer

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT nah, it's really not. our equivalent would be if we were asking for Chanel or Calvin Klein, not some st ives from the drugstore. it never would have occurred to us to ask our parents to buy us luxe products from JC Penney's beauty counter, & our parents never would have considered actually doing it for a minute.

I loathe this brand with a passion. Horrible customer service, and ruinously expensive products.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

You had a bad experience?

@drc4168

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT yes I ordered from Ireland, never received the order, my postal service insisted the order had never been dispatched, I contacted DE customer service and they basically claimed they had no record of the sale, despite me having credit card details to show they'd been paid for the purchase from my side. They were very, very rude and I was so anxious and exhausted I very nearly gave up. my husband escalated matters and the postal service contact person was super helpful too. I received the products 4 months later, and they were absolutely not worth even half the price tag.. thank you for this amazing deep dive, it's very meticulously researched and beautifully presented.

had a bodylotion once and i was shocked how tiny it was, product was okay but no excuse to be this expensive

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Its well branded, that allows them a nice margin

I’ve tried a few of their products and they were fine I guess, but I switched over to mostly K-beauty brands which are far superior and a fraction of the cost.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

So much of Kbeauty makes my skin scream though 🥺 I want to cover more kbeauty brands/stores though bcs my Korean is actually pretty good and Ive been travelling there for about a decade, so I think I could provide extra info to them. Any favourites? (Mine WAS etude house but noone voted for it in the poll 💀)

I loved the idea of DE but then a big influencer back in 2016 ended up surprising me a huge pr package including DE stuff and the products were honestly awful 😂 my drugstore stuff honestly works better. Im thankful for that super generous influencer that I never had to pay to realize how much DE just wasn't for me.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

What was the problem with it?

With Avène, Shiseido only owns the importing rights to Japan through a partnership with Pierre Fabre, the private French pharmaceutical company that owns Avène. The photo representing the brands they own is misleading.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Okay thank you

I remember many years ago when I bought the physical sunscreen. I thought I bought the best sunscreen ever, but it turned out to be the worst I ever bought. Horrible texture, leaves white cast and cause itchiness that lasts for days. Bought from Sephora and I commented about the product but sadly my comment was screened out. Will never buy anything from the brand anymore.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Hate when comments disappear, its such a red flag to me

I don't really think that DE is falling, or at least you wouldn't see it as such if you're around the whole "clean girl aesthetic" feed. I feel like both influencers and people on social media who promote this "aesthetic", as well as faceless aesthetic pictures on Pinterest, Instagram or so, heavily feature DE products. I don't know why, as I don't find their packaging minimalistic enough to correspond to this "aesthetic", nor I am interested in their brand per se, but seeing DE so heavily featured makes me doubt they'll be falling into obscurity too soon...

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I thinkk you could be right honestly, it seems as if theyve retargeted back to a younger audience. Maybe Ill have to make a follow up about it actually, because if it goes well it'll be a good study in retargeting

Every time I see their displays at the Ulta I go to it’s a mess. Out of stock, trashed bottles. It looks cheap and tacky and doesn’t appeal at all.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Tbh testers give me the willies for this exact reason, its often so bacteria-full-looking

Is it bad if I use dove bar soap to wash my face and cetaphil lotion to moisturize and that’s it?

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Not at all! Some of us with horribly sensitive skin rely on those products! (Im so bad I cant even use Aveeno on my face anymore)

ohhh lala...ohhh. how controversial..love it

Wow!!! I did not know that about deodorant!!!

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Cosmetic history is completely fascinating to me for this reason. None of it was a ‘problem’ until it was. Literally all of skincare, all of make up, all of perfume. And its right in the name - its ‘cosmetic’. Just adore adore adore it

I don’t love DE as a brand, I love one or like 3 products. I’ve get the mini or samples and try it out and then I decide to commit to the big size. But I can say, I have 2 products I always repurchased because I haven’t found anything similar… but they have so manny red flags

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I have stupidly sensitive skin, I wish more companies did free samples (or i wish I had more confidence to ask for it it haha)

I've used a few of their products but as a grown woman I will tend to stay clear of anything teenagers are hyping up. sorry not sorry

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Its a different demographic, I totally get it

It’s extremely popular in Australia for young girls 😩

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Theyve primarily got a young audience

@georgianewman4549

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT and they eat it up, I’ve seen 8 year olds throw a fit because they can’t get the bronzi drops or the retinol

@blazinrokz

2 ай бұрын

​@@georgianewman4549 As a fellow Australian, this is equal parts sad and hilarious.

I started buying their products in 2016 when it first launched in Mecca, Australia. Some products I like, some I don’t. I don’t have a holy grail product. my favorite product is probably the B5 serum. ps- The s in the middle of shiseido doesn’t make a sh sound. the word’s pronounced like ‘sh saydo’

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Okay now lets talk about Mecca because what a phenomenal company. Really the only retail store to successfully stand against LVMH’s Sephora, absolutely incredible the deals they did with the brands, just phenomenal, I respect Jo Horgan so so much as a businessperson

I used to use their moisturizer. It was a good product for me, but I realized there are lots of other good moisturizers, at a lower cost and without such hostile customer services. I didnt really care about the "non toxic" marketing strategy, but seeing them lash out and use fake accounts was enough to turn me off the brand. They would also respond very defensively to anyone who asked questions in their comments section.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Good social media is so key these days, its a wonder how brands continue to get if wrong 🤷

I´m worried about Glow Recipe. They were inovative with their "Western K-Beauty" but now they more and more putting makeup-fused skin care without there iconic sent and throw niacinemide in EVERY product there can find

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Have you tried it?

@robertodeoliveraferreira3012

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT I was in the Glow Gang since day one (ok after they released their Sleeping Mask) but I used to love Glow Recipe beyond any brand. Today, I only use the Toner… everything else feels like a cash grab. I loved their sent, the product were great and it was a must have in my bathroom cabinet 🥲 now I stick to Paula’s Choice, The Ordinary and The Inkey List

The prices are insane

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Certainly high, but it adds to the marketing well

When I was a teenager I remember one of my first ‘serious’ skincare purchases was one of the mini sample packs from DE. I had sensitive skin so the non toxic gimmick got me and the skincare influencers influenced me, i also just loved loved the colors and packaging. The products where fine, they didnt transform my skin for the better or anything but they where decent. I liked the little pump bottles I still use one for a travel cosmetics container today. And I thought of buying their new sample set because it’s very cute packaging. But that shit with the sock puppet account and comment deleting is not cute.

@underskinYT

4 ай бұрын

Im curious if it irritated your skin? Mine is so sensitive that I can use extremely little. I literally mostly go cosmetic shopping to look at the branding now 🥺

@rhy8336

4 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT I don’t remember any products irritating my skin at the time. I have dry combo skin. But I had acne and it didn’t do much for me in that regard. Can always patch test products.

I was literally JUST on their website

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Did you buy anything?

@lostfilmkid221b

5 ай бұрын

@@underskinYT nope! I don't need to rn I was just scouting for potential additions to my routine. I haven't had any western brands in my (minimalist) line up in years.

I really did love their Framboos serum but that price is ridiculous

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

Its certainly up there in price

First off I can't stand their name. I think it's really unclassy and tacky. Second off. I've never bought anything from them because of that tacky name. And third off - this new viral trend going around with the Sephora kids on TikTok and KZread and everywhere else is literally gonna be their undoing, and it won't phase me at all for them to be irrelevant.

I missed you not mentioning the brand becoming a TikTok trend with tweens now having embraced it. This could go either way for them. I've seen some backlash in the media with articles on how several products (especially serums) have far too many active (anti aging) ingredients for children's skin. Also the brand embracing this trend is a turnoff, at least it is to me, an adult.

@underskinYT

4 ай бұрын

I get it, but it doesnt seem like this was intentional from the brand, almost like theyve got caught up in it. Perhaps Ill do a follow up some time in the future though because it has affected them and theyve even made statements about it since this video came out

Cassandra Bankson showed me that DE is not the way…

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

That video was very insightful

This is all so true! Especially the influencers part. I was part of their PR list and when I wouldn’t buy into their facism and desire for insistent praise, I was PROMPTLY removed. Their “fans” and people on their PR list are absolutely FERAL and will lose their minds on you for daring to contradict their love of their beloved brand.

@underskinYT

5 ай бұрын

I never understand why brands dont hope for positives and negatives in a review becasue if youre negative-free thats a huge red flag that the review isnt honest or is heavily biased