6:00 that's supposed to say "his home"

@noticias6111

4 жыл бұрын

'_' d....thank you so much for this video..speaking as someone who had a 'turbulent past' when it came to nonsecular stuff but 'gained my sea legs' in a Unitarian universalist church (Hamilton, Ontario).

@rogeliovaldez9689

4 жыл бұрын

a lot of people don't really seem to understand what the trinity is

@francesrude3007

3 жыл бұрын

@@rogeliovaldez9689 Some count ISIS, HORUS ANS SEB( sometimes called Seth) as trinity

@lukesnyder3358

3 жыл бұрын

Look into how it ties into the foundation of new amsterdam there's a reason they all went to boston

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

@@francesrude3007, I like that trinity much better than the Abrahamic one, er 3. But is there a Doctrine, Dogma, or horror movie that is worse? Scratching my head...

Reminds me of an old joke. Someone in a town was burning down churches. When the Protestant church was on fire, the pastor ran in and saved the Bible. When the Catholic church was on fire, the priest ran in and saved the Eucharist. When the Unitarian church was on fire, Bob ran in and saved the coffee maker.

@m0L3ify

4 жыл бұрын

I used to know a Unitarian named Bob, so this is extra funny. He would definitely save the coffee maker.

@harrykezelian8009

4 жыл бұрын

there's another joke "The last time someone mentioned Jesus Christ in the Unitarian Church was when the janitor fell down the stairs"

@DavidJohnson-xr2rz

4 жыл бұрын

@Caleb P It sometimes works the other way, too. For several years in the UU none-dare-call-it-church church in my town I was the leader of the "Christian" faction. Delivered sermons on a regular basis, and celebrated Mass on numerous occasions. When I first showed up, the old school agnostics figured that the neo-Pagans and I would fight it out until nobody was left but the old school agnostics. Not that the fellowship could have even survived with only them. Well, it happened quite the opposite. The neo-Pagans quickly figured out that I actually knew my stuff, and I quickly figured out that they knew theirs. We helped each other on our projects and on several occasions concelebrated 4-altar Mass with the liturgy taken primarily from Bible readings. Stuff they had no idea was in there. .......I eventually left, not because of any conflict, but because I'd outlived my usefulness there. Didn't burn any bridges, and kept in occasional contact. A few weeks ago I found out that they have a project of taking everything I wrote, which was on paper, and converting it to electronic file format so it can be put online. Several years ago there was a fire that caused a lot of damage, and one of the first concerns was "did the library survive?" and that was primarily about the stuff I'd written, which as it turns out many people have been curious about and actually read.

@here_we_go_again2571

4 жыл бұрын

Ha! :)

@betsysingh-anand3228

4 жыл бұрын

Skip the service if you wish, but missing coffee hour is poor form!

Never get a Unitarian Universalist angry at you-- they might burn a question mark on your yard.

@douglasj53

4 жыл бұрын

That's hilarious!

@ComradePhoenix

4 жыл бұрын

As a UU, I unironically laughed.

@jeremy1392

4 жыл бұрын

@@ComradePhoenix Me too!

@ComradePhoenix

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremy1392 I don't think anyone laughs harder at UUs than we laugh at ourselves.

@jeremy1392

4 жыл бұрын

@@ComradePhoenix Probably. Most people I talk to have never heard of UUs, so they'd hardly have something to make fun of. My sister made a meme that said "UUs when they hear 'lean on me.'" And it was this image: i.redd.it/t0jekxiftbh41.jpg

Can't resist sharing at least one Unitarian joke as explained by a Unitarian: Unitarians initially united on the faith that "We believe in one God." Later, to incorporate the increasing number of atheists, it became "We believe in no more than one God." With the rise of neo-pagan beliefs, the appreciation of ancient goddesses and such, it became "We believe in One God, more or less."

@ericmiller6056

4 жыл бұрын

A variation of this is the different definitions of "monotheism". Jews: There is one God. Catholics: There is one God, at least. Unitarians: There is one God, at most.

@altavatan1558

2 жыл бұрын

yes! they take from "all" religions and pick what they like, something like a spiritual religious buffet.

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

@@altavatan1558 What else can you do when you`re agnostic? Accept Jesus` ritual blood, sacrifice as a get out of hell free card so we can sin all we want? Where are the morals in that? And why would God need a burnt offering to appease Himself anyway? Nobody will explain why blood must spill for god to forgive? I call bs!

@faithfultheology

Жыл бұрын

​@Tom Bergere iam willing to have a convo with you on this if you want .

@Leotv19

11 ай бұрын

@@ericmiller6056Catholics believe in only one God

I was also raised Unitarian, and the lessons I learned about religion, philosophy, politics, sexuality, and community stick with me. I left because my particular church had a power vacuum after our minister left, and lots of the higher up members scrambling to get as much influence as possible. It definitely wasn’t the church I was raised in, but I still believe in its values of truth, justice and fairness.

@williamdunklin

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like your congregation needs you!

@Arthurian.

2 жыл бұрын

Fairness.... Hmmmm... That's one very subjective ideology.

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

I was born and raised a UU, too, I still belong to my new church, but I quit going because they`re kind of snobby perfectionists that always ask me why I`m not perfect like they are, lol! But they still got the best God damned Doctrine and Dogma of any other church I know: None! Praise science, peace, and love!

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

@@Arthurian. And people are people; c`est la vie!

@Arthurian.

Жыл бұрын

@@drivinsouth651 I agree, until Liberals arrive.

Cynical Historian - "hey you got a pre civil war american who you think is cool?" Everyone - "yes" Cynical Historian - "want to know what religion they were?" Everyone - "but i havn't even told you thei... Cynical Historian - "unitarian"

@orchidorio

4 жыл бұрын

Yup ! Pretty much ! (5/5/20)

@kevinnelson198

4 жыл бұрын

orchidorio here with you’s

I'm a former minister with a conservative Christian denomination. After being kicked to the curb for "teaching liberal and anti-Christian doctrine", I discovered the UU denomination. They welcomed me with the proverbial "open arms" and I've been happy and comfortable ever since.

@HerveyShmervy

2 жыл бұрын

So what do you believe now?

@Arthurian.

2 жыл бұрын

Teaching anti Christian doctrine? 🤔 What does that mean?

@Arthurian.

2 жыл бұрын

@Noah Scheid I'd rather they answer

@spartanx9293

Жыл бұрын

Depending on how Christian you actually where I would not walk into the unitarians because at that point you're a glorified deist I'm not trying to be rude but after going over there believes it looks like they just took some things they like from Christianity and Incorporated that into deism

@briobarb8525

26 күн бұрын

​@@HerveyShmervy Why do you care? Who died and left you God?

My greatest fear is becoming stupid in my old age . As long as you keep posting I will try and keep up .Thanks for posting your sources , I have reading to do .

@CayeDaws

5 жыл бұрын

That is why upon turning 50 I will off myself

@locutusdborg126

4 жыл бұрын

@@CayeDaws Good bye.

@walterbell7193

4 жыл бұрын

Caye Daws might as while live a Teddy Roosevelt life style and go explore uncharted seabeds!

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

@@CayeDaws Why 50? How old are you now?

Thank you for this remarkable video, nuanced, rich in information, well documented and illustrated. Really a great work ...the kind of work we can expect from a fair and serious historian! And this deserve a salary! I did not know that Unitarians had had such an influence in the United States and, all in all, a very positive one. You made my day because I really learn something.

@Vurbanowicz

3 жыл бұрын

You could pay a visit, then, if only a virtual one. Go to UUA.org, click "Find a Congregation," and enter your city or ZIP code. Plenty of online services and podcasts.

What do you get when you cross a Unitarian with a Jehovah's Witness? A knock on the door for no apparent reason.

@Michael-Archonaeus

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly that’s a dumb joke

@samuelmelcher333

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve always heard a different punch line: “Someone who knocks on your door to ask about your religion”

UU guy here. Incredibly well-researched, thoughtful, kind, and very informative. Thank you for your hard work.

Lisa, listing the ice creams at Rev. Lovejoy’s table: “Wow, look at all these flavors! Blessed Virgin Berry, Commandmint, Bible Gum…” Rev. Lovejoy, handing her a bowl: “Or, if you prefer, we also have Unitarian ice cream!” Lisa, peering into the bowl: “There’s nothing here.” Rev. Lovejoy, crossing his arms smugly: “Exactly.” I first learned about Unitarians from the Simpsons. lol

This was very fascinating! thank you for posting this

I started following your videos a few months back, and really appreciated your style and the depth at which you tackled topics. I'm also a longtime UU who occasionally worries that most UU Churches and Fellowships don't spend enough time studying our own history. Thank you for doing this - I'll probably find a way to show it in our Fellowship someday!

Hey there! Just so you know, the standard term for a Jewish house of worship is "synagogue" not "temple". The liberal Jewish denominations (the concept of denominations don't make sense in actual Jewish texts, but that's a research rabbit hole in of itself) use the term "temple" due to 19th century assimilationist politics, but in actuality there was only one Temple, that existed in Jersualem prior to the Diaspora.

@diaz5292

5 жыл бұрын

TheEDBShow Technically, the correct term, to quote Jesus, is "synagogue of satan".

@MitzvosGolem1

5 жыл бұрын

TheEDBShow True "Shul" is used in Orthodox not synagogue Greek. Shalom Tenak Talk channel explains jewishhistory.org

@luciferangelica

5 жыл бұрын

DIAZ52 sounds like you know the bible, why don't you tell me the exact chapter and verse in which jesus said that?

@rachaelsdaddontdrink

4 жыл бұрын

Then why do conservative Jews that I know say they are goin to temple?

@alexlaxson3261

4 жыл бұрын

@@odysseusrex5908 this is disproved in the Tanakh a number of times

Very interesting and very informative. I've recently been reading up a lot on Unitarian belief and history (mostly out of interest in the Transcendentalists and Newton's Unitarian beliefs) and it's much more complicated than I expected. Thanks for this video.

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

Complicated? Like, there is no God, prophet, Doctrine, or Dogma; technically, it isn`t even a real religion, lol!

Love the one second of x-files -intro-music. Perfect timing! And very interesting video. Thnx a lot :)

I really enjoyed this video. Thank you

Unitarian universalist were a later adaptation of unitarianism. Early unitarians were closer to biblical unitarian movement.

@Vurbanowicz

Ай бұрын

Unitarians were a mix of humanists and Christians by the late 1800s, and the humanists were gaining. The same thing was happening with the Universalists, but more slowly.

As someone who wasn't forced into a church, I will always find it interesting to listen to the views of those who where. I think my mother would have liked this group, she encouraged her children to find and walk their own religious paths.

@gumgumdookuin7963

5 жыл бұрын

You put where instead of were.

@cuucnsbfl9913

3 жыл бұрын

I joined the UU Congregation I belong to now in about 2002... I attended a "new folks" group where we were encouraged to ask any questions we had about Unitarian Universalism; another person in the group was destined to become a good friend to me; she said her daughter - a Pagan with UU friends - had told her to check out the UU Faith Path... she said she had encouraged her daughter to find something greater than herself to believe in; then she said, "Personally, I think you all may get tired of me - I Question Everything - and I have driven priests and ministers absolutely Crazy!" We Didn't get tired of her - she and I both ended up serving on the Congregation's Board of Trustees! (And I have found that serious theologians Welcome Questions!) This lady started a Scholarship Committee to award one scholarship each year to an "at-risk" student graduating from the local high school; after her death a couple of years ago, we put her Name on the scholarship to memorialize her. I am on the Scholarship Committee now and I am happy to note that my friend not only found a place where she could "fit in" but one where she could "change lives!" - Joe WolfArth

@drivinsouth651

Жыл бұрын

@@cuucnsbfl9913, I praise science and the truth! Amen!

@briobarb8525

26 күн бұрын

Good for your Mother...you lucky soul!

Thanks for posting your sources

Great presenter! Genuine charisma. Came up on my recommends.

This really is a great video. One thing that you seem to underplay is the continued influence of the Unitarians. Even as the organization dwindles, their ideas continue to dominate. Much of our national conversation regarding racial and sexual issues are largely framed in terms that the Unitarians set. Your video is truly thought provoking in the most honest sense of the terms "thought" and "provoking." Congratulations.

Wow, Hippies go way back.....

@rudyschwab7709

4 жыл бұрын

I believe the next step in the evolution of Unitarianism is their churches will become community outposts for progressive-communist indoctrination, if they are not doing that already. The places I've seen locally look awfully suspicious in that regard.

@locutusdborg126

4 жыл бұрын

@@rudyschwab7709 You Trump supporter.

@paulfisher9926

4 жыл бұрын

@@locutusdborg126 communism sucks.

@here_we_go_again2571

4 жыл бұрын

@@rudyschwab7709 Some Unitarian-Universalist churches have regular guest speakers from other religions, including Wiccans and Satanists, as well as more mainstream world religions. Of course other churches also have more "liberal" sects that are accepting of various beliefs shunned by the more othodox believers of said religion

@spring-heeledjack3340

4 жыл бұрын

Mencius Moldbug could have told you that.

Along with the Milwaukee atheist your my favorite history channel! Great content 👍

Starting to love Unitarians

Dude, I really wanted to learn about this myself! Thank you for this, your work is always solid

Good video. I learned a lot.

I have watched again. And will warch again. I have also watched the one on Lutherinism. Dont worry, I also have watched others of yours. Thanks and Thanks again.

Fun fact:The only unitarian king from history was John Zapolya,king of Transylvania

@andorfekete9274

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, he was a "dux"so that would translate to duke/prince in english. Btw. Are there Romanian Unitarians? Because unitarianism -as i know- started in Transylvania with Ferenc Dávid.

@JenErin29

Жыл бұрын

@Dominic bingo!

As a gay man who survived an early life in evangelicalism I find UU an incredible congregation of individual spiritual development.

@erikperez1828

2 ай бұрын

A gay man led astray from christianity into unitarianism this is what protestantism does to people🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Excellent video.

Your subscriber counts increasing I feel like this time next year you'll be at 500k

@HogShark

4 жыл бұрын

11-months since your comment and he's still below 100K

@wizard680

4 жыл бұрын

F

Well done videos, I have been enjoying your channel. Could you do (or have you done?) a video on how evangelicalism lead to post modernism? You made a passing comment, I wish you could have expounded on.

Fun fact: Unitarian refugees went to Ottoman empire to escape persecution.

@32gigs96

4 жыл бұрын

hamobu interesting

My family is Wiccan but we still went to a UU church for years when I was a kid. Some of the chillest group of people I've ever met really, they knew what we were and didn't really seem to care lol. My folks wanted me to see how other religions worked instead of insisting theirs was the only good one, and they got to socialize

@HoldenNY22

4 жыл бұрын

You and your family practice Witchcraft. Can you introduce me to the girls from the Original Charmed- They were also Wiccan Practioners. I think at least when they were doing the original TV Series- they were pretty hot. I alway liked Shannon Doherty the best. The Show wasn't the same without her.

Thank you. I grew up in Texas UU churches. My experience was very much like yours in relationship to learning about most religions and visiting other churches. All were welcomed to our churches and many many ideas were presented in our church. However, my mother did teach me the history of the church. I was persecuted in school for being a Unitarian and called a devil worshiper by the so called girls counselor.

@phyllisrocher9441

4 жыл бұрын

Politics were big in the Dallas churches I attended also. Many an afternoon and evening was spent drinking coffee and planning the protests and work against the war in Vietnam.

I always wondered what happened to all the Unitarians in the States after reading a list of Presidents' religious affiliations. I was blown away to see how big it was. Side note: the whole reason I looked that info up was because our National Cathedral is Episcopalian; which I always found weird since so many settlers in the new world were fleeing religious intolerance and the fact that the Episcopalian church is a branch of the Church of England.

Great historical video. But I found the cartoons distracting, except for the one about the Hubble telescope and the image of the bearded guy in the clouds. I liked that one.

Thanks. Really interesting. My dad was a Unitarian minister, and my great grandparents were congregationalist missionaries. Learned a lot from the video.

I was a Unitarian for 20 years and while I’m no longer active I still respect its tenets. It’s just not a cohesive organization.

@johndemeritt3460

4 жыл бұрын

I describe myself as a solitary, syncretic Unitarian Universalist neo-pagan atheist, and I can attest to one thing about UUs: if you're looking to get away from organized religion, check out your local UU fellowship/church. UU fellowships/churches are about as far removed from organized religion as you can get!

@YankeeNationalist

4 жыл бұрын

John Demeritt That sounds so decentralized that what would even be the point of joining?

@johndemeritt3460

4 жыл бұрын

@@YankeeNationalist , permit me to reverse the question: what's the point of "centralized" religion? Is it to dictate what people are supposed to believe? Is it to create a power base? Unitarian Universalist (UU) congregations are each individual groups that agree to abide by particular rules or practices based on our seven principles. We do so without a hierarchical structure and without a core belief system. The point of joining a UU congregation is much the same as that of any other religion: we gather together to explore how to be decent people and to celebrate those life events and personal experiences that move us to a sense of awe and wonder. We support one another when things get bad -- when disasters strike, whether they affect an individual, a family, or the whole community. We come together because we seek a framework upon which we can hang our personal experiences, our relationships, and our life cycle events and make sense of it all. That said, as a student of the sociology of religion, I define religion as a social system that regulates behaviors and relationships between members of a community bound together through practices and values grounded in beliefs about human nature, the reasons for human existence, and humans relationships with transcendent reality. Notice the emphasis on relationships and behaviors: in my experience with a variety of religions, I find Christianity unique in emphasizing belief over behavior. This is why UUs are a unique bunch in the US: to us, how you behave as a member of a UU congregation is far more important than what you believe. Christianity debates dogmas, often intensely enough that serious conflict arises. UUs debate covenants among members of congregations regarding how we behave with one another. I hope that helps.

@johndemeritt3460

4 жыл бұрын

@AnarchoRepublican , let me note a few things and ask you a couple of questions. First, we generally refer to ourselves as "Unitarian Universalists", not "Universalist Unitarians". It may seem a minor detail to you, but it's more significant to us. If being respected is important to you, please be sure to offer others respect. Second, Unitarian Universalism is, by our own admission, a liberal religion. By that, we mean that have no doctrine or dogma that members of our congregations have to profess. Many congregations support liberal causes, including policies affecting members of the LGBTQ+ community. But we understand the limitations of the Johnson Amendment and are, as a whole, not political. Congregation members may be politically active, but congregations are not. That said, congregations are often socially active. Many of us, both individually and as members of a congregation, feel the need to support those who are oppressed within the towns or cities within which we live. We often charge our ministers to speak on behalf of our congregations with the prophetic voice, speaking truth to those in power. This is something most all religions do. I think it would be a reasonable guess that if you practice a religion as part of a congregation, your congregation does likewise. I have no quarrel with that -- I only quarrel with those who insist that theirs is the only voice that should be heard. So, my questions to you . . . First, you said UUs "are very organized when it comes to pushing far leftist politics..." Would you please define what you mean by "far leftist politics"? What is it about particular politics that make them "far leftist"? And how do "far leftist" politics differ from what your political practices or beliefs are? Second, when you talk about "pushing . . . politics", do you mean advocating for particular issues, or do you include advocating for particular politicians? Finally, I see you sign yourself as "AnarchoRepublican". Is that title related to your political stance? If so, would you please explain a little about what it means to you? Perhaps it's because I'm in my 60s, but when I learned about politics Anarchists and Republicans were thought incompatible. I'd very much appreciate a better understanding of what you mean by the term.

@nicholasprakash3411

3 жыл бұрын

@@johndemeritt3460 Ignore that. People like that aren't Christian, but a syncreticism between fundamentalism and money worship. The prosperity gospel is a Christian version of Ayn Randism. These folk believe mainline Christianity isn't true Christianity. (Episcopals, Methodists, Presbyterian, UCC, etc..) Thats why they like going to megachurches, it's essentially a cult.

I actually grew up Unitarian and I really enjoyed this history of the religion. I remember going to all the different churches and temples as a kid as well and found it very neat. I ended up leaving when I was 18 for personal reasons, but also because I felt that the others in my age group had become influenced by a negative liberalism that I found very detrimental. But I still remember my time there mostly with fondness.

@spartanx9293

Жыл бұрын

I do not much care for Unitarianism it basically just seems like glorified deism

I live in lansdale PA. New in America. I just today knew about Unitarian beliefs. Now I feel interest in it. So I should know it exactly. For this may I've your help ,please.

This is fascinating

Very interesting... One mild complaint: I definitely wanted to read all of the material in the various quotations and charts etc. that appeared on screen, but not infrequently they were whisked away before I could finish. (And yes, I went on to watch the Lutheran video, which was likewise quite engaging.)

@bobelschlager6906

4 жыл бұрын

well, you can always stop the video, and study the charts that way.

@mdlahey3874

4 жыл бұрын

@@bobelschlager6906 True, but less fun, that way... 😕

Hey my dude I grew up in Atascadero/San Luis Obispo! I would go to my friends house in Grover at least once a week! That's crazy!

3:24 I'm interested in learning more about this "Holy Goat."

@jamesalexander5623

4 жыл бұрын

Boo .... See : Casper.

@13ivanogre13

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I want at the center of my Nativity scene, a baby goat!

Man I hope this video doesn't get demonetized.

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

going strong thus far

Back in my student days I had a born and bred Unitarian friend who complained that her congregation was being infiltrated by "seekers" searching for a spiritual home. "They don't stay long, they consider Unitarianism a way station on the road from Judaism to atheism."

Nice reference to 3 minute philosophy. Almost forgot he existed.

"Pismo beach and all the clams we can eat."

Universalism was more of a "working class" religious movement than Unitarianism, but both Unitarians and Universalists were heavily involved in liberal activist movements in the 19th century (like abolitionism, women's suffrage, free education in public schools, etc.). Unitarians began allowing non-Christian and nontheistic beliefs in the 1890s, and many Universalist churches were very liberal and religiously pluralist by the 1950s before the merger. In 1913, the largest Congregational church association adopted the Kansas City Statement of Faith, which allows Unitarian theology, does not mention predestination or original sin or substitutional atonement, and says the will of God is in the Bible without saying the Bible is inerrant. My guess is that there are lots of liberal Unitarian Christians in the United Church of Christ, which is a larger denomination than the Unitarian Universalist Association.

One reason Unitarianism has flagged was best said by J. Gresham Machen about 100 years ago (though he was talking about mainstream liberals): "They have set about the difficult task of calling the righteous to repentance."

@4:26 that's Christ Church Cathedral in Montreal! yeah I know you probably found stock footage, but still, just a few miles or so from where I live :P

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, just stock footage that's copyright-free. That's cool though

Very informative! Thank you!

Do you know what always amused me? We talk about religious tolerance in that period (XV-XIX) as if non-Christians were tolerated

@eca3101

3 жыл бұрын

There were not significant numbers if non Christians, so that was relevant in the conversation

Interesting topic. Did you find in your research any information about the Polish Brethren and their influence on Unitarianism?

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

there was some communication back and forth between the English unitarians and Polish ones. So much so that it caused a big uproar about Socinianism (named for the Polish founder of that theology), and that is what John Biddle was caught up in

@Artur_M.

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying! The Polish Brethren or "Socinians" were really a fascinating group. It's a shame they essentially were made scapegoats for all who collaborated with the Swedish invaders during the so-called Deluge and exiled. BTW Fausto Sozzini himself (known in Polish as Faust Socyn or Socinus in Latin) was actually an Italian, who came to Poland in 1579. While he became one of the leaders and main theologists of the movement, he was hardly its founder as it officially split from the Polish Calvinists in 1565 and was already going one for a decade before that.

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

didn't know that. I was focused on the US, so Polish-Lithuania only came up tangentially. interesting

I recognize those history books in the bottom right from my Omnibus (Classical School History) class teacher’s collection. I haven’t read them, but they are pretty old and apparently good.

I think it was pretty brave of you to discuss religion so publicly. Especially on the internet, where you can almost guarantee at least some disrespectful push-back. I salute you

Interesting!

I got him! Nah you just winged him and made him a Unitarian. Sorry I had to, the Simpsons is where I heard for the first time. Great video, I honestly knew nothing about Unitarianism.

An interesting video. Currently there are about 200,000 Unitarian members in the U.S. Like most religious Faith's, the membership is in long-term decline. Another interesting topic would be the political influence of Quakers in colonial America. Once Quakers were no longer allowed to hold political office, and restrictions were made based on personal habits, their numbers plummeted.

Very informative, as always, Cypher. I do find it ironic that so many try to emphasize the Christian roots of the founding of America, and--while significant--they seem quite silent about the Unitarians. Even Deists get more coverage. And when I hear people quoting John Adam's quote about the necessity of a "religious people" for our government to succeed--which were accurate--they forget that for him, "religious" included "Unitarian", and not the orthodox Trinitarian groups that Evangelicals and other conservative Christians belong to today. Of course, the Unitarians today aren't what they were in Adams' day (as you point out), but they still would be considered arch-heretics by any conservative Christian theological measures (I mean, the Trinity and the Incarnation are just about the most essential marks of orthodoxy today).

@spartanx9293

Жыл бұрын

To put it bluntly most Christians don't like Unitarianism Baptist Methodist Catholics Lutheran's ECT most view them along the lines of the modalists and I see them as glorified deists at this point they might as well just be their own thing because they certainly aren't Christian

Hey. Great video. I just want to add that aside from the Unitarian church there are some other groups that are also unitarian and that have no further connection to the Unitarian body discussed in the video. E.g.: Jehovas Witnesses for one. What these churches don't have in common with the Universalist Unitarian is that they are often a bit more exclusive and less universalist and probably not so progressive/politically involved. Obviously, all these other groups also use the same history of unitarian persecution in their historical narratives. I found the above video interesting because I was not aware of any of it (easy I guess if you're not American). I was only aware of the other unitarian groups such as the JW's, Christadelphians and such like (who also had their start in the US). I thoroughly enjoyed the historical video!

@JenErin29

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Google UCA, Unitarian Christian Alliance. A group of Christians from different backgrounds and slight doctrinal differences that all DO agree that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are separate (non-trinitarian). True Biblical Unitarians, like the video mentioned in history. Fun fact, first century Christians were also "Biblical Unitarians" so to speak. The Trinity doctrine did not gain wide acceptance until the council of Nicaea. So history is basically amazing and can teach us many truths.

When I was a kid, in the 70s, many, but not all Unitarian ministers were willing to conduct marriages of same sex couples.

@TheNightWatcher1385

4 жыл бұрын

Same sex marriage is an oxymoron.

@rubynelson1164

4 жыл бұрын

Same sex marriage was not legal in any state in the 70's. How could Unitarian ministers conduct marriages?

@nuclearcatbaby1131

4 жыл бұрын

Ruby Nelson It may have been legal in some states.

@TheNightWatcher1385

4 жыл бұрын

Nuclear Cat Baby In most states it didn’t become illegal until the 70s and 80s because for most of history the idea of two men marrying was so far fetched and wrong that laws to keep it from happening weren’t even necessary.

@DAB2640

4 жыл бұрын

@@rubynelson1164 They conducted "blessings" of the union. Even before same-sex marriage was legal, some states (such as California) allowed civil unions.

Before the advent of the "Rural Cemetery" movement; that allowed all members of a community to be buried in the same cemetery.*** each church had its own cemetery. In New England, New York, Northeastern Pennsylvania and some areas of the Old Northwest (Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and Illinois); if you got to small towns that had been thriving until the end of WW1 (when those places began to decline) one can still find the old Unitarian cemeteries. Often times, the church itself is no longer there; but you can see the more elaborate grave markers above the wildflowers and grass. (The local historian can help you find those places) ***Some community "rural" cemeteries might have a Jewish or a Catholic section; However, most Catholic churches had (and still do have) their own cemeteries; as do the Orthodox churches.

Regarding Lutherans, I was listening to a Lutheran sermon and the minister admitted that there has never been a Lutheran President yet.

What a vibe check in the intro oml

Are you still in Burque? If so, then Hello! I grew up UU too, though this was in Wisconsin.

@CynicalHistorian

4 жыл бұрын

currently yes

I was also raised UU, and I found this fascinating. I recently learned that contemporaries Isaac Newton and John Milton were both anti-Trinitarians.

That was great ! Thank you.

I think you should look into The Way International prior 1985. Please let me know when you do!

6:00 "... his hime."? Yeah, I guess if a bunch of dudes was going after my princess, I'd be out too.

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

LOL, that was supposed to say "home"

@MetaSynForYourSoul

5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian 😁 Great work though my man! Love your videos.

Thanks for info on Unitarianism. 4 times I jumped into Unitarianism, at widely different times in my life, each time eventually leaving with greater conviction of leaving.

@HoldenNY22

4 жыл бұрын

Why did you leave and why did you have a "great conviction of leaving?"

Yes, Mohammed did not believe in the trinity. But at the same time, he thought the Virgin Mary was apart of the Trinity. Clearly Mohammed was pretty ignorant on what any of this was.

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

Mecca was a very strange and syncretic place in the 7th century. You can't say he was ignorant of the actual theology, he was merely oblivious

I think that there is a tendency for churches to drift from a centrist appeal to progressively more extreme views, losing membership all the way. Once a politically and theologically mainstream church drifts even slightly, it loses members opposed to the change, and attracts members with preexisting proclivity to the new direction. This causes progressively more extreme drift, and a decline in membership due to the smaller numbers at the tails of the bell curve. The ultimate fate may well be a church with extreme creeds and a membership of one.

Thanks! I'm a CUUPS member, and I never thought of the irony before. I see, though, that one God can be represented by various religions, under the leadership of what we perceive as multiple gods. The UU church must have wanted to provide a place to make all free-thinkers (making a journey from traditional ​(calvinism) feel welcome.

Another great video by Cipher. Anyone know how I can get my own Cynical historian T?

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

there's a link to SpreadShirt in the description

Just found your channel. New sub from me

Well done.You made something dry, Interesting.

An excellent job on the history of Unitarians in the USA.

I know this is about America but the Transylvania connection is interesting and many UUs are aware of it. I'm a Quaker and regard UUs as on a somewhat parallel track. I've embraced Bucky Fuller as a Transcendentalist for the future and for our time. His great aunt Magaret Fuller was a prominent Transcendentalist.

Fellow UU. Had very similar experience at Sunday school that you did. I also think that it was a hugely positive influence on my life, and am super grateful to have been exposed to so many different belief systems. I've thought about going back to a u.u church as an adult, but havent made it yet. I think if I had kids I would start attending again. I really do think exposure to different beliefs as a child is so important. Great video!

@drivinsouth651

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I concur!

Well, I was raised Unitarian. I've got to say, I enjoy the lack of dogma and guilt.

@josephnarvaez9507

4 жыл бұрын

I am Catholic which means a lot of dogma and also a lot of Catholic guilt

@Matthew-tv3fz

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Watson atheism is much better tbh

@LeetMath

4 жыл бұрын

the only thing that will get people upset with you is advocating for social conservatism

@greywolf845

4 жыл бұрын

@@Matthew-tv3fz Even atheists sometimes attend UU congregations

@TheNightWatcher1385

4 жыл бұрын

Matt R. The logical conclusion of atheism is nihilism.

Unitarians were big in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from ~1560s to 1650s, when after the swedish deluge all protestants started to be persecuted.

@CynicalHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

there was actually some communication back and forth between the English unitarians and Polish ones. So much so that it caused a big uproar about Socinianism, and that is what John Biddle was caught up in

@teslashark

5 жыл бұрын

Some of my Swedish friends called Sweden back then as "Protestant ISIL", only half jokingly when we were talking about the 1600s...

@bogumiwisniewski7933

5 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalHistorian we're still alive:-) in Poland and Hungary unitarius.org/ but most of us are Christian Unitarian like Faustus Socinus, Ferenc David et consortes

Man. It’s 5 in the morning and I haven’t slept yet. I saw this recommended. I clicked fast because I thought it was about Unitarianism as in the type of government that’s the converse of federalism. But I was wrong.

@jakisfly

4 жыл бұрын

Kolin Martz you tried. It’s not even 1

I have been a UU member for just over a year now. Learning about all of this was fascinating. Thank you!

Great video. Interesting that I’m writing a novel about a Lutheran minister who is losing his faith and finds more meaning with the Unitarians. My novel’s tentative title is “Numinous”. How do I find Grant’s video??

This is a very cool video. I was raised Unitarean Universalist. My great grandfather EW Marshall, was raised as the son of a Bapist minister. He went to Worchester Polytech, then went to work for Otis elevator to be the chief engineer for the construction of the original elevator for the Eiffel tower. my grandfather got his Phd at University of Florida to become a professor of Oceanography/Marine Biology. My aunt Terry met her husband at Harvard. He is a physissit named David Griffiths. A lot of the teachings of Unitarean Universalism is based on the idea of vortex based mathamatics. Nickolia Tesla stated if you understand the relationship between 3 6 and 9, you understand the foundations of the universe. This is the foundation of everything.

This is excellent. We're still here. (Rev Matt Smith, Unitarian minister, Suffolk, UK)

It's always interesting to see how some heresies never die out completely.

I came for the picture of Millard Fillmore.

@peterdagata1610

3 жыл бұрын

Just search up Alec Baldwin

People ask me what Unitarianism is, and the only good answer that I have been able to come up with is "the only dogma is that there is no dogma". Which of course is inaccurate, but it does sum up some of the core characteristics.

I remember the special edition was the version of this movie that I saw in the theater

@james89302

4 жыл бұрын

The character of Newt was on the movie poster...in Ripley's arms!. So, the child survivor was not a surprise. And I was 9 when this movie came out

It's a shame that in Germany Liberal Protestant Religion has never gained so much influence. We had Free-religous Congregations - only some have survived or transformed into Humanist Communities. Thank you for this Video!

This was a great summary and very informative, thank you. Is there any particular reason that the Unitarian movement just kind of started losing adherents? The only reason I heard was that "spiritualism" was on the rise, but maybe I missed something else?

Very interesting film Mon. Cynical, I just happened upon your production here while working on an overactive mind early this morning. Your rabbit hole and mine are close together because I've been involved in the development of a major documentary on Unitarianism. I think you brought up some very important points on here, and missed some along the way, but your piece here is very good never the less I think. I also like the jokes shared on the comments, heard some of them at the local UU congregation and in the UUA World magazine, love them! Funny thing abut coffee pots though, the coffee house marked the era of enlightenment and the Age of Reason, out which Unitarianism fully developed, and formed the founding ideals, both socially and civic wise. I highly recommend the book, Vegetarian America, Unitarians played a major role in the health reform ideas before Seventh-day Adventists had a clue about it or were even born as a church. Of course a lot of the founding Adventists came out of the Christian Connection, a group closely associated with Unitarians and Universalists, and the founding of Antioch College, electing Horace Mann as its first president, another famous Unitarian who is the father of modern public education. One correction too, the abolitionist, Horace Greely was a Universalist. Also, your comment about the UU pagans, love it and good point, ironic, and I get in trouble a lot mentioning that on UU discussions. “Let us consider if as a duty of the first rank with respect to moral obligation, to transmit to our posterity, and provide, as far as we can, for transmitting, unimpaired, to the latest generations, that generous zeal for religion and liberty, which makes the memory of our forefathers so truly illustrious.” ~Joseph Priestley, 18th century Unitarian minister

I was extremely confused as to why you were talking about religion until I realized the title says "unitarianism," not "unicameralism"

I wish Jefferson had been right, at least in the sense that he intended at the time.

I’m a proud Unitarian Universalism

@infamedepatates2502

5 жыл бұрын

Trinitarianism is monotheistic. Three persons one nature.

@infamedepatates2502

5 жыл бұрын

@@bhrismaw-q Jesus has both natures, divine and human.

@jamesalexander5623

4 жыл бұрын

@Hissam Ullah The Trinity is Magic! There is only 1 God .... But Jesus and the Holy Spirit are "Aspects" of God! .... Many Ancient Religions and Hinduism have this Concept!

@jamesalexander5623

4 жыл бұрын

@Hissam Ullah Which One ... Ra,Zeus,Odin?