Partners in Time was my first Mario and Luigi game and I loved it. It’s probably still my favorite, closely followed by Bowser’s Inside Story.

This is one of my favorite game series because the battle system was fun with bros attacks and how items were handled in partners in time. Very sad to see it go :(

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

YES! The battle system was absolutely brilliant, probably the best ever battle system for an RPG imo

@WCircuit7224

6 ай бұрын

It would be a good riddance if they just left the late games but its a massive shame that the series came to a full conclusion. Paper Jam is annoying like that.

@Floooz

5 ай бұрын

Nice profile pic

I think what put M&L into the hiatus it's now in is simply put poor decisions. Alpha Dream made a mistake by trying to put two consecutive remakes after making what's considered to be the weakest M&L game even below Partners In Time. (Paper Jam is still a great game though) I could understand Superstar Saga since it's a GBA game. It's kind of dated so remaking it for the 3DS would be ideal. But did we really need Bowser's Inside Story? No. The 3DS is able to run regular DS games just fine so a player can just run the original BIS on the 3DS without issue along with Partners In Time which had the unfortunate mishap of missing the remake bus. Bowser's Inside Story don't get me wrong is a great game and the remake is cool I guess. But it just seemed to me Alpha Dream out of desperation to keep their company afloat just decided to remake what's considered the TTYD of the M&L series in a desperate attempt to make serious money. I'm confident though that this isn't the last we'll see of M&L. Maybe Nintendo will make a new division of old staff members from Alpha Dream or maybe Nintendo will make a new game themselves. They after all still own M&L if Superstar Saga being put on the Switch Virtual Console is any indicator. But until that day comes when Nintendo takes the reigns and ushers in a new era for this legendary RPG series all I can say is it's been a wild ride and M&L has bought much joy to many Mario RPG fans. It will be missed.

@Luxembourgish

5 ай бұрын

Nintendo higher ups made the mistake of starting a trend where original characters had to be limited to the guide NPC only and stuff games with generic Toads, Goombas, and Koopas

man, i really do miss alphadream. we may not be getting another mario and luigi game, but this series will always be in our hearts.

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

Agreed! The happy memories of the games will stay with us. And ofc we can always replay these games

@Gorilla-r4g

5 ай бұрын

@@delta859can’t Nintendo remake these games without Alphadream?

@delta859

5 ай бұрын

@@Gorilla-r4g They can! But they have not shown any interest to do so. If there is any time for it to come, now would be the time given nintendo is doing more Mario RPG remakes than usual

@Shmaowzaow

Ай бұрын

You wanna try saying that again

to give credit were credit is due dream team has the hardest and most intense boss fights in the series and paper jam has the most fun combat system with the trio such a shame the story was not fleshed out

My issues with Paper Jam is that for one, it feels like a pretty short game. You defeat the first boss and you already talk about getting into Bowser's Castle. Normally in Mario RPG games getting to Bowser's Castle is a task that takes the length of the entire game to break into, not something you do early on (like rescuing the Star Spirits in Paper Mario or having the Zeekeeper break down the barriers in Dream Team). I also feel that one of the other reasons the game feels short is that the world map doesn't feel as big as other Mario RPG games, it feels like you just go through a lot of the same areas twice. My other issue with Paper Jam is that there wasn't a whole lot of emphasis on the Paper Mario portion of the game. They definitely could have brought in more Paper Mario characters, like Mario's partners or even some of the Paper Mario bosses, or even the Star Spirits! Instead, we just had generic paper versions of Mario, Peach, Bowser, and the stock Mario enemies. I know this would be just repeating a gimmick from Bowser's Inside Story or Dream Team, but I feel like the game could have had an alternate world, like the Paper World (like being in Bowser's body or Luigi's dreams). As for Dream Team, I feel like I'm in the minority, but it's one of my favorite Mario games of all time. My biggest issue with the game isn't so much the Dream World (took me a while but I feel like I got hooked onto it), but the game is just so slow to start out, and it takes a while for the game to really get going. It feels like the first hour or so of the game (maybe more) is just tutorials, and the game treats you like you've never turned on a game console in your life before. For Superstar Saga, it's also one of my favorite Mario games of all time. A lot of it is definitely nostalgia. I got it for a Christmas present the month after it came out and found it flat out addicting, it was the game equivalent of a book that you couldn't put down. A ton of memories playing that game throughout 7th grade. A lot of it too was being blown away of the idea of a handheld Mario RPG game.

I wish Rom Hacking communities would find a way to Rom Hack these games like they do Pokémon games. These games were one of my favorite RPG series (same with the Paper Mario series) and it would be fun to dive back into them and play a brand new story

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

As a game developer myself, I think I am able to answer why this is. Mario & Luigi games firstly have a way more complex world than Pokemon. Pokemon is a complete 2D topdown experience. Mario & Luigi is also a 2D topdown game, but the devs were very smart in their way to make these worlds so they would end up being seemingly 3D worlds with height. This makes map editing a lot more difficult. Then there is ofc the fact of popularity. Pokemon is simply way more popular than Mario & Luigi which makes more rom hack devs make Pokemon games. Lastly there are fully established tools to create pokemon rom hacks, which I don't believe M & L has

Dream Team and Inside Story were and still are some of my favorite games of all time. Its such a shame Alphadream died

I really enjoyed Partners in Time.

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

Same, That game is just way too underrated. Hoping for a Partners in time remake

@goldenjoshyt200

Ай бұрын

Same

I think Bowser's villainous role in DT was very good and well earned. He bounces off of Antasma well and his threatening presence is a great payoff to his character development in BiS. That being said, he sucked in Paper Jam though lol

Mario and Luigi Bowser's Inside Story was the first game I BOTH discovered around age 8-9 and PLAYED it just on my 10th birthday. By far the first M&L game I enjoyed and won! ...Before Superstar Saga. I didn't played Partners In Time, Dream Team or Paper Jam in my life so...

@delta859

5 ай бұрын

Bowsers inside story is truly special! I would really recommend playing Partners in time! It's great. Dream team isn't bad either, but its not as great as bowsers inside story was.

Lore of The Rise and Fall of Mario & Luigi momentum 100

The series may have had a fall But no a fall as bad as paper Mario series but thankfully has a chance to make a comeback due to ttyd getting a remake

Mario and Luigi's legacy can live on in a Super Mario RPG 2 or new Paper Mario that has you play with both bros.

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

Yea Maybe. Given that nintendo is remaking classics from the Mario RPG games, they might have a plan to bring the RPGs back for good. One thing I could see is that Nintendo might prepare some dev teams to make future RPGs, so they use the remakes as a learning opportunity for the new RPG teams

Man superstar saga sure does bring back some good memories good time's good time's

@artey6671

5 ай бұрын

Oh yes. It's still in my GBA.

@nickwatts5269

5 ай бұрын

@@artey6671 really I still got my copy of the game truly good time's

@artey6671

5 ай бұрын

@@nickwatts5269 Did you find the hidden blocks in the building where you meet the two guys that teach you the bros actions for the hammers?

Love the content! Keep up the work 👏🏼🥳

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I miss this series, this is probably my favorite RPG, or at least turn based RPG series.

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

This and Paper Mario are my favorite RPG series

@benortiz8702

6 ай бұрын

That’s a good one too

Now that I think about it, Partners in Time's gameplay was kind of a step-down in quality of Superstar Saga. Namely, the Bros. Attacks, which have been turned to consumables (I'd like to imagine this was the blueprint for Paper Mario: Sticker Star), which is pretty annoying, honestly. The game also doesn’t seem to understand the rules of time travel all-too-well either. It also likes to reuse puzzle assets from the Superstar Saga as well. ...It's still better than Paper Jam, I guess(?).

How… HOW IS DREAM TEAM & PAPER JAM BAD! Dream Team had a great soundtrack and Paper Jam’s a better Paper Mario game than any of the newer Paper Mario games.

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

Oh my are you in for a treat. Later this year we get Paper Mario the thousand year door. If you thought paper jam was good, then you will think thousand year door is the best game ever

@edwardsaldana2534

5 ай бұрын

Especially dream team, the last one to be creative, gets trashed for lame reasons, “ it’s worst than Bis, it’s pacing blows”, like,who cares!

@paulgilbert5278

5 ай бұрын

@@edwardsaldana2534 Dream Team's pacing isn't all the bad. After the prologue and first two worlds it starts to pick up.

@edwardsaldana2534

5 ай бұрын

@@paulgilbert5278 I didn’t say the pacing was bad, I was just quoting what others have said

@paulgilbert5278

5 ай бұрын

@@edwardsaldana2534 No, I know I was just speaking generally

Namco needs to bring it back.

@delta859

6 ай бұрын

As long as anyone brings it back and does a good job, I will be happy

@ReddyToAnimate

6 ай бұрын

@@delta859 I know. I missed seeing Starlow and Stuffwell though. They were my favorites along with Luigi, Bowser, Bobby, Olivia and Yoshi.

For me it's Superstar Saga > Bowser's Inside Story > Dream Team. For me, Superstar Saga (the original) has the best soundtrack, the most charme, the best writing and the best characters. Sadly, I think the remake of Superstar Saga is a bad imitation. And Paper Jam Bros. is just dreadful. I miss AlphaDream. Not because they went bankrupt, but because the AlphaDream that made amazing games has stopped existing a long time ago.

this aged well💀

@delta859

Ай бұрын

I am happy it aged poorly xD

#ReviveM_and_L #BringBackMario_and_Luigi

@randomgamer-te8op

5 ай бұрын

unfortunately, i dont think reivindicating some # will change the fact that the entire company has been disolved for over 4 years now and the entire team that controlled it is not who knows where, it's harden that you would think lol truly a shame, great games

@ztarburst

5 ай бұрын

@@randomgamer-te8op Nintendo owns the ip and rights to make new games.

Guess what

@delta859

Ай бұрын

The amount of joy i got from that announcement is insane

The first game I played in the series was PJ. I liked the combat, but most of the game was just collecting toads. DT I loved because it had an original island and creative use of the 3DS mechanics (the motion controls were awesome and the settings reminded me of 3D Land). Then I played the remakes. I love the stories, the original worlds and original characters but the layout was entirely flat with no depth of field in the environment (both games abandoned the 3D mechanic). Since they were remakes, they had no real changes to the original except style and the additional side game. SS was designed as a one-screen game, so it never took full advantage of dual screen. BIS worked on the DS but was never adjusted or improved with the remake. Heck, the giant battles were designed orginally for right-handers on the DS and kept it that way on the 3DS, even though DT gave the option for left-handers. Plus the varying screen sizes on the 3DS gave the giant battles in DT a cinematic atmosphere. DT will always be my favourite for using the 3DS to its fullest. PJ Im thankful for introducing me to the series. However, I despise the remakes for never taking full advantage of the 3DS and never improved from the originals

@delta859

5 ай бұрын

Have you played the originals of superstar saga and bowsers inside story? I think the originals are way better as the 2D characters were so much more expressive. That's actually what I like the least about the 3D games, the characters are a lot more static in their animations.

You're too biased