I was really surprised at Durin and Disa. Their characters are, by far, the most interesting. That's not to say there's nothing critical to say about them, but at least we see a bit about them beyond the tortured historical exposition of every other character. They are relatable and real, unlike Elrond, Galadriel, Celebrimbor, Gil-galad, Brownyn, Arondir, Poppy, and all those other made-up characters.

@makkonen0

Жыл бұрын

You kept mentioning Disa didn't belong. Why is that?

@elisaofedoras861

Жыл бұрын

I have not looked at the series and my only way of knowing anything is by looking at your review and a few others that like you are respectful of the lore of professor Tolkien. The scene in Kazad Dum looks odd and disproportioned with the sizes of the dwarfs walking with Elrond, not seeing much of a difference in height. Thought Hugo Weaving is 6 feet two inches and Robert Aramayo is six feet tall, he does not look that tall. The camera work seems poorly done to execute the 3 D effects to separate their heights. I have seen the acting of the actress portraying Galadriel and oh my god! The strange faces she makes and the anger in her eyes are such a contrast to the Galadriel of the books and Peter Jackson's character played by Cate Blanchett that was so poised and feminine, her eyes were bright and serene, unlike the warrior Amazon has made of her. I wish I could look at the series, but I cannot. I love the lore of professor Tolkien, he spend a good amount of his life dedicated to the fantasy world he created. A beautiful world with beautiful words describing something special and Amazon and their showrunners seem to have destroyed most of it. I will continue to look at the trilogy and read the books again. Thank you for your wonderful videos, love to watch them.

@hotelsierra86

Жыл бұрын

@@elisaofedoras861 Couldn’t agree more. Won’t be watching this and can’t imagine why any Tolkien fan would want to. Tolkiens works were dark but also beautiful,uplifting,transcending the mundane world. As opposed to this.

@rksnj6797

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised. So far they're the only likable characters in the show. Galadriel is so bad that if I was one of her soldiers I would have pushed her off the ice cliff. As for Arondir, the actor's acting was more wooden than his armor. His acting is terrible!!!

@rexrogers1859

Жыл бұрын

@@makkonen0 She is not a character created by Tolkien.

I love when Gandalf tells the ents, "Run, forest! Run!" So brave.

@marioskublan7273

Жыл бұрын

Where the ents she or he??

@belegur8108

Жыл бұрын

@@marioskublan7273 well, they didn't stop to tell their pronounce, so we can only insult them... eh... guess.... we can only guess

@creepyoldlady2995

Жыл бұрын

The biggest laugh I've had yet from the TROP reviews. Thanks, I needed that!

@creepyoldlady2995

Жыл бұрын

@@marioskublan7273 The Ents we meet in Tolkien are all male. The Entwives wanted to live in settled lands and fields, and so the two halves of the species became separated. Ultimately they could no longer find each other. If I remember correctly, the Elves have a song about it.

Having the elves who lived in harmony with nature carve up living trees with whom they could speak and had fellowship to create homages to their dead is the very antithesis of JRR Tolkien's works.

@FlyfishermanMike

Жыл бұрын

The elves would have sung the trees to form the likeness of their fallen not carve them up!

@sajikr3438

Жыл бұрын

How dare you suggest that trees don’t get any representation in this series! Are you racist against trees? ☺️😂…. On a serious note, don’t look for authenticity in what has proved to be a bastardization of Tolkien’s world. The question, now, is not of how good the series will be. It will be about how much it would suck 🧐

@MrRourk

Жыл бұрын

It likes idiot writers the elves would just ask the trees and the trees would give to them

@farbensanvisuals4930

Жыл бұрын

@@sajikr3438 Treesist

Even if this was just an original fantasy series created by Amazon, it still is filled with poor dialogue, unlikable characters, plot holes, and illogical actions. The only reason people care at all is because they are marketing it as inspired by Tolkien. The show cannot stand on its own merits.

@MaxxMcGeePrivate

Жыл бұрын

It's like Wheel of Time, which I don't know the books and don't care much, so I only watched like 10 minutes.

@bluezauza

Жыл бұрын

I agree.

@SeleneSalvatore

Жыл бұрын

But still Wheel of Time have better dialogues and character exposition than ROP.

@emmaphilo4049

Жыл бұрын

Why is the writing SO BAD! So much money man. They wanted to make it tooooo mainstram. It's so full of seen and seen again tropes😭😭😭😭

@gazlator

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agreed.

"The stone sinks because it looks down... The paper floats because it looks to the stars... The scissor flies because it doesn't give a shit..." _Finrodimus Prime_

@tama_ochi

Жыл бұрын

ah... that's deep...tsk. such a genius, poetic line from amazon that we peasant can't fathom even if we cultivate for a thousand years. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The elves are a catastrophe in this show. They don't look like elves, they don't talk like elves. Elrond is just some lowly speechwriter and Galadriel a soldier... Celebrimbor is like some old man and Gil Galad is spiteful and unlikeable. None of this tracks with Tolkien. They've drastically changed so many important aspects to these characters without even showing us why. It's... awful, and clearly not for Tolkien fans, I guess the target audience is people who liked Jackson's films but never read the books.

@v1e1r1g1e1

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you on almost every point, but one: The target audience is self-righteous, angsty, arrogant, entitled teenage grrrrls.

@beyondlimitationsvideo

Жыл бұрын

@@v1e1r1g1e1 The audiience, Tolkien REALLY intended almost 100 years ago. Forget all this "mythology for England" based on celtic and germanic mythology...

@dewulfe9913

Жыл бұрын

100%. The bullying of young Galadriel in Episode 1 would never have happened with Tolkien's elves. They weren't petty like humans. Amazon's elves are just humans with Spock like ears, cheap robes and plastic armor. The whole thing is ridiculous.

@Roon3808

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps my biggest problem with the elves *is that they are just humans with pointy ears*! Literally when they scoop Galadriel out of the water, they only notice she's an elf when her hair is moved back and they can see her ears. Like if her ears would have stayed covered they never would have known.

@michaelwills1926

Жыл бұрын

Agree with the exception that Jackson’s films were a gateway for many into Tolkien’s wider world because they were made with love, and it is obvious.

Imagine if Peter Jackson or Guillermo Del Toro were given a Billion Dollar Budget to create an accurate reflection of Tolkien on celluloid...

@MaxxMcGeePrivate

Жыл бұрын

And 5 years or more of time. No money helps if it's rushed (like the Hobbit). Will never happen, sadly.

@Unclejona

Жыл бұрын

@@MaxxMcGeePrivate Even Jackson/Toro had enough time to add new characters and crap plot lines

@greenknightable

Жыл бұрын

You iust made me jiz my pants

@spacejunk2186

Жыл бұрын

Del Toro's version would become the tale of legends lmao

Turns out Bear McCreary is jumping on the 'all the fans are toxic racists' bandwagon too.

@OverLorD768

Жыл бұрын

Which is sad, because his music is one of the few good things in this trash, which everyone agreed on.

@paulelroy6650

Жыл бұрын

to be honest seeing endless people bitch and moan instead of just oh i dont know not watch it does seem very toxic. people gatekeep the material as if they wrote it and not tolkien

@andrewcutts3197

Жыл бұрын

What has he been saying, is he just toeing the Amazon line to save his job?

@LaMancha958

Жыл бұрын

@@OverLorD768 Exactly!

@rab210

Жыл бұрын

@@paulelroy6650 It's called 'having opinions' An unpopular concept these days I know....unless you are on the 'approved list' on social commentary. Off you pop now

For me, after 15 minutes at the latest, it was finally clear: It has absolutely nothing to do with Tolkien anymore. I took a deep breath, swallowed, pulled myself together, pushed my inner nerd aside and continued streaming. Treated this as some new fantasy series. Still, the events didn't captivate me. From the start, the dialogues are just bad to below-grade. Especially the elves have to come up with meaning-laden stuff that turns out to be empty clichés if you listen closely. Or we viewers are taken for so stupid that we have to put back into words what is shown. In both episodes it's a wild jumping back and forth between locations and characters, it splashes along in admittedly optically wonderful places. None of the performers touched me emotionally. What I love so much about good series, the excitement - none! The acting of the actors was only mediocre overall. I found the little Nori the most enthralling. Amazon Galadriel is just annoying and highly unsympathetic. She can do everything, she knows everything and she certainly doesn't need men. Actually, one would assume that their hunting party would include battle-hardened elves, right!? They're looking for none other than Sauron. But then a snow troll simply crushes the seasoned warriors and only Amazon Galadriel easily manages it single-handed to hunt down the creature. WTF? We remember: In the Lord of the Rings it takes the whole! Fellowship to take down the cave troll in Moria. Why am I mentioning this? That's one of the other serious weaknesses of the series for me. We're in a fantasy world, right, but I still want a believable story to be told. I could cite other examples. Some of what Amazon is dishing up to us is really outrageous. And even after the second episode, no stringent plot is recognizable. I almost fell asleep during the 2nd episode, I found it so boring. Certain shots are visually appealing, but I'm not a CGI geek, a good story is much more important to me. And yet some things seem fake, too clean or cheap. So sometimes I had to roll my eyes at the visuals. A real immersion in this world did not work for me. Even as a perfectly normal fantasy series, this Amazon product fails - it simply lacks heart and soul. And it doesn't matter at all what skin color the actors have or what their hair looks like.

@damnyankee143

Жыл бұрын

On point. And that concludes the negotiations with amazon for me.

@spacejunk2186

Жыл бұрын

The gate of Khazad dum was the fakest CGI stuff ever. It is so obbious it was rushed. The hole mechanism was CG and I believe the dwarf guard behind it was CG as well.

I think the people who give this show anything higher than a 7/10 are the trolls, not the other way around, lol

@quein92

Жыл бұрын

@Samuel Laufer It's an alright random fantasy series for anyone that has no prior knowledge of the characters or the lore. If you saw LOTR when you were 10 and never thought of it again you'd probably like parts of the series, although I struggle to see how an adult can enjoy the dialogue in half the scenes. I find it extremely cringe a lot of the time. 4/10 Series, maybe even a 3.5 but the visuals saves it. Visuals and the CGI is good, and the action is alright, but if you scratch just the tiniest below the surface it really falls through. I just found it very boring a lot of the time, and had to try 3 times to finish the first episode. The second one was better, but still incredibly meh at best. The dwarves were cool.

"im looking forward to his second expression" absolutely savage lolololol

The part where the healer goes to warn the townpeople is so cringe. "The entire village is gone!" "Oh its just a mudslide, we are just not going to believe you" Their denial of her report just seems so unrealistic. The cringe reaches a crescndo as she places the orc head on the table and tells them if they want to live they will head out to the elf tower at first light. And then that YAS QUEEN look she gives them. So fucking cringe.

@Roon3808

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. Imagine living in a small village 1000 years ago where you know everyone, have known everyone for years, and must rely on each other to survive. If one of your neighbors comes in yelling the village next door got destroyed even if you don't believe her you freaking check it out!

@shivan2418

Жыл бұрын

@@Roon3808 exactly. Also she a the village healer. Aka their doctor. Likely one of the most trusted people in the village. This was just written to push feminist probaganda.

@dianebrooks1859

Жыл бұрын

Idk if you heard it but "I'm a womaaaaaaaaan" music screeched in the background as she gave her YASS QUEEN smirk 🙄

Is it bad that I’m actually rooting for Sauron after watching that “whatever it was” but it sure wasn’t Tolkien???

@AceGunnerManEIR

Жыл бұрын

Me too

@DIYDumpRat

Жыл бұрын

same 😅

@liamwright2510

Жыл бұрын

It’s alternate dimension lord of the rings, In this universe Sauron is the protagonist trying to save Tolkien’s work from any further destruction, we should be rooting for him.

@royalnovember66

Жыл бұрын

same

@eponymousarchon7442

Жыл бұрын

Orcs are Human too 🤔

The Hobbit trilogy will look like a masterpiece by the time this show is done.

@AngusIII

Жыл бұрын

I agree esp the fan edits

@dissaponteddunsky7654

Жыл бұрын

I mean The hobbit was a mess because of studio interference Guillermo del Toro stepping down from being director and Jackson being given 6 months for production. On the other hand amazon had about three years for production and it looks way worse in my opinion then the hobbit movies.

@beyondlimitationsvideo

Жыл бұрын

@@AngusIII That's the thing: The Hobbit movies just sadly went through very bad studio decisions - but at least, there ARE very good parts in them - and the fan edits clearly show it.

@majorgear1021

Жыл бұрын

It already does.

I was so mad at these two episodes that I decided to rewatch The Hobbit (I have soft spot for it, especially the first one) and when I reached The White Council scene, I realised RoP's writers just copied this part of the story. A cheap copy. Gandalf > Guyladriel, Saruman > Gil-galad, Lord Elrond > Conterfeit Elrond. Goodness, Gandalf tried to justify his actions by presenting signs, information, and evidences he gathered, but Saruman disagreed that those weren't enough evidence to believe that Sauron was capable of coming back. Guyladriel's argument was just "trust me, bro" (even the sick cow was just a species-swap of The Hobbit's scene with Radagast). Her thirst for revenge mirrored Thorin's as he found out Azog was alive. At first I thought, if they wanted to make an original show, just make one without Tolkien's IP, but now that I realised this... they didn't even want to put in any effort to write a unique story. No wonder they ghosted PJ. 😂

@SeleneSalvatore

Жыл бұрын

I feel and see a lot of hobbit movies inspiration, especially when I see dwarfs.

@roriemarie2968

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for pointing this out. Sometimes you can't really put a finger on why something is just not right....

After the War of Wrath, the Valar called the Elves to depart Middle-Earth (save for those banished like Galadriel) , whilst the remnants of the Edain were given their own land (Numenor) to live in. The rest of Middle-Earth was virtually abandoned to its fate; 'Thus the years passed, and...Middle-Earth went backward and light and wisdom faded'. The idea that Galadriel was searching for evil and couldn't find it shows just how little the showrunners know the lore.

@jurgenparkour9337

Жыл бұрын

They did not care that much to actually do a good job

@mustang607

Жыл бұрын

Or how much the showrunners wanted to rewrite the lore.

@spacejunk2186

Жыл бұрын

They changed the fundamental character and history of a key player in the History of Middle Earth, not even to tell a new and interesting story, but just so they can have their lame cliche "strong woman being dismissed but proving herself to the men by being right" story. People are comparing this to the MTV Shanera Chronicles (or however you spell it), but I like to compare it more to Paramount's Halo Show. Just like it, Rings of Power is a mess wearing Lord of the Rings as a skin suit.

I wasn't a fan of how all the people who interacted and were around Galadriel and Bronwyn are depicted as idiots to uplift Galadriel and Bronwyn

Your trio is so well-versed in Tolkien, and you are such across the board well-read and cultured gentlemen . Your channel deserves much more attention. Thank you for great comments as always.

I really struggled to enjoy these 2 episodes , feels like I’m watching and America drama with a fantasy theme . I’m not immersed like I was with the movies

@Hero_Of_Old

Жыл бұрын

Don't even give Amazon your view

@RealRagnar816

Жыл бұрын

@@Hero_Of_Old yeah I agree now 👍🏻

I think your critiques are spot on. Just look at the difference in how House of the Dragon handled their opening scene - and then the following scenes thereafter. By the end of that episode I think a majority of its viewers were like "we're in!" with Rings of Prime, it's a jumbled mess. The acting is cringe... it's like they're trying to do an impression of a character they remember from the PJ films. And the dialogue... oh my god. The characters of Galadriel, the black dude elf, his white love interest, the high king, Elrond and one of the hobbit's dad, oh and freakin Lenny Henry - horrible acting. Sorry, they're dreadful. Lastly, of course media is throwing out all this spin saying jaded fans are just racist, etc etc blah blah... but did you notice that in ANY review that's negative... race isn't brought up in practically any of them. The critiques are universal.. bad script, bad acting, bad storytelling, bad pacing... just an observation .

@clogs4956

Жыл бұрын

The non-white actors were held up as a meat-shield for just this reason. “Don’t mind the quality, feel the racism…”

@majkus

Жыл бұрын

If you describe Arondir and Bronwyn as "the black dude elf and his white love interest" as if those are the defining characteristics of those characters, maybe, just maybe, you should check and see if you have an 'agenda' of your own. Sorry, you're dreadful.

I was confused as to how they got away with even mentioning the Silmarils. I thought they were legally bound NOT to. Then they messed it up anyway.

@TheWilyx

Жыл бұрын

Aragorn mentions the Silmarils and some details about it to the hobbits on the Fellowship of the Ring, so I imagine they can mention that

@Running-withscissors

Жыл бұрын

@@TheWilyx wow, thats super thin, but if the estate doesn't care I guess they already broke way outside of license anyway.

@TheWilyx

Жыл бұрын

@@Running-withscissors I'm sure Amazon has all it's lawyers trying to milk as much as they can from the rights they bought... only to mess it up completely... which makes no sense to me

What really nauseates me is how people who are just being honest and do not like to show are being labeled as haters and trolls. Although there are those out there who are solely bitter about diversity and gender I am almost certain that the backlash that has resulted from the show as a result of the lack of effort put towards honoring the life works of a legend and the lack of effort put into the writing, plot, dialogue, and character development of a show that cost $1 billion. I could spend $1 billion filming a dog take a crap in the Rocky Mountains in the background would still look amazing but the story would still be shit. I also get outraged when I hear the excuse The blank slate was left for the second age. Anybody who agrees with this whatsoever obviously has not invested much time in the readings of the appendices of the Lord of the rings or the Silmarillion. I know they didn’t have the rights to the Silmarillion but I feel like they still could have gone with stories that has fans cherish instead of creating all these new characters and an entirely new story that is just not very good. OK that’s off my chest I need some pancakes.

@AngusIII

Жыл бұрын

There were many well-thought-out negative reviews deleted from IMDB which is owned by Amazon since those reviewers don't fit their corporate narrative

@Roon3808

Жыл бұрын

Its all about money. Amazon has to protect its effort to make more money, so they will go to whatever lengths necessary to do so. And yes that includes paying people and organizations money to try to create a negative view of any bad review(ers).

@FinrodFelagund5

Жыл бұрын

"Although there are those out there who are solely bitter about diversity and gender" No, there aren't. This is group of people is entirely fictional. If you hate the racial and gender tokenism, you're most assuredly also not a fan of the horrible writing, the unlikeable characters, the complete break from lore, and the just the stupidity of the show in general. The people upset about the diversity casting and feminism are looking at the project holistically, and just about every single one of these critics is a Tolkien fan. It's the diversity and feminism...but it's also everything else that's wrong with this shitshow. And even if these people did exist, so what?

@claytonclendenny7166

Жыл бұрын

@@FinrodFelagund5 don’t know why you are getting snippy. I agree the show sucks and that most everyone has the same views. I’ve seen some review videos,however, in which you can easily notice folks justification to make politically and socially motivated comments The t shirts they wear and background images scream Proudboy. I could care less about the race/gender of characters as long as it’s well written. This show sucks but I’m tired of hearing the phrases woke and communist agenda being thrown around for a fantasy show review. I think a lot of these reviewers should maybe take a break from fiction and gaming and spend some time studying history to maybe understand some perspective. And I mean real history books with primary sources not crazy KZread people going on rants with conspiracy theories.🤣 cheers cave digger.

The CGI cities are spectacular but they just don't look like they could be real to me. I assume that the city that we see in that shot of "Eregion: Realm of the Elven Smiths" is supposed to be Ost-in-Edhil, but it is way too large OP for an elven city on the confluence of the Siranon and the Glanduin. The city was supposed to have been established by Galadriel. It doesn't look like a city that would be established by a people that ended up living in an elf city in a forest. The city only existed for less than a thousand years, how could it have been so enormous? Where is that massive waterfall coming from? The Rock of Gibraltar type mountain the city climbs up is totally disconnected to the range behind it. How could that much water gather on that tiny outcrop of a mountain. It just looks ridiculous. That city is more in the grand style of the Numenoreans but even then is still over the top. Compare it to popular imaginings of Minas Tirith. They really needed more true fans working on this series. In fact there is fan art which does a much better version of rendering a more believable idea of what Ost-in-Edhil may have looked like here i.pinimg.com/originals/18/af/22/18af2238401ec64c4d5bdd5099d8ca26.jpg.

Galadriel is "angsty"? You phrased that very generously, my friend 😉 But Celebrimbor being so dismissive of the Silmarils infuriated me the most here. It's horribly contrary to his character and to what Tolkien wrote!

@SugerSprinkledFun

Жыл бұрын

It's contrary to not just Celebrimbor but fundamentally to ALL of Tolkien's writing! No actual fan would have ever uttered such a thing let alone wrote it in a script for a show that's supposed to be about Tolkien's world. The idea is so beyond laughable. No wonder Tom Shippey was fired. I would have flipped tables over this dialog! These people done give a damn about his work or even have the most basic elementary understanding of it.

@georged.5595

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Tyelpo being dismissive of his grandfather's work is actually very realistic, it mirrors Simon and his relationship with his grandfather's work perfectly.

@kahekilimaui450

Жыл бұрын

@@georged.5595 🤣😂

@kahekilimaui450

Жыл бұрын

@@SugerSprinkledFun My favorite Phrase is: Anti-Tolkien. 😐👌 Fortunately I have avoided death by the aneurysm that I surely would have had if I had watched any of this. What really kills me, is Celebrimbor being two and a half times older than Galadriel, when he is supposed to be some extraordinary years younger. And what is with that 1970's, Country singer, Blonde Pompador Haircut ? Like I opened with... Anti-Tolkien. He looks like the salesman at my local Ace Hardware store.

@belegur8108

Жыл бұрын

@@SugerSprinkledFun you should look up the Q&A of Amazons shill Tolkien expert Corey Olsen for the first 2 episodes. Its on Yt by "Signum University" called: The Rings of Power, Episodes 1-2 After Party with Spoilers for the first question alone "What gives Gil Galad the right to choose who is sent to Valinor? it takes him 15 min of gaslighting, deflection, diversion and all around beating around the tree, never to really answer it.

I figured out what is wrong with Galadriel: they gave Galadriel Feanor's arc: 1. Morgoth takes something that Feanor loves. 2. Feanor takes an oath to hunt down Morgoth. 3. Feanor is a d-bag to all other elves to get what he wants. Sound familiar? So they took Galadriel, Tolkien's strongest and most graceful sorceress and turned her into Tolkien's biggest d-bag warrior.

That "different music for different characters" thing is basically an invention of Richard Wagner and it's known as "Leitmotif"

@majkus

Жыл бұрын

Once, when explaining the use of leitmotif in Wagner's 'Ring' to a friend many decades back, I gave as an example Scotty's usual background music in the original Star Trek series. Now, I said, if it were Wagner, you would hear variations on that theme throughout the score whenever engineering were mentioned. And then, in the episode where Kirk falls in love with a woman he does not know is a robot, you would hear a minor-chord version of the 'engineering' theme when she first came on stage, cluing the audience into something that's not in the text. Wagner was brilliant. Horrible person, but brilliant. He didn't invent leitmotif (nor use the word himself) but raised it to new heights.

Didn’t know Galadriel was such a good swimmer. Not even sure why she got onto the raft, she didn’t seem even winded. Her plan was apparently to swim all the way back across the Sundering Sea. So part mermaid I guess?

@crabinthetophat490

Жыл бұрын

Yeah , I was surprised how they allowed her character to rely on a blank of wood to float when she clearly could have just swam all the way to middle earth.

My favorite part was when Morgoth said " I know kungfu" and started dodging arrows while Galadriel said "he is starting to believe". Chills, so brave.

So many people have bought into this because of the odd nod to lore. It's just showed me how easily swayed people are.

@amandag5072

Жыл бұрын

I'm more shocked at those who say they've read (and love) The Silmarillion/Tolkien and say this is the bet thing they've ever seen! It just shows how stupid people are (or that many are just liars). ☹

@majkus

Жыл бұрын

I think we have to remember that the overwhelming majority of people interested in this show were brought into Tolkien through the films, and I would not be surprised if the majority of those people are still completely unfamiliar with the books, let alone the Appendices or the Silmarillion. I was on a fan convention panel about The RIngs of Power in early 2020, at the end of the Before Times, and it was clear that for many, many fans, their hopes and expectations were for little more than the cinematic equivalent of a coffee-table art book: "I want to see Moria in the days of its glory!" "I can't wait to see Númenor! Oh, and the destruction of Númenor will be _epic_!" "They have to show us Lindon." "I wonder who will play Annatar? He has to be _hawt_!" And so on. And, I think, that these are the people from whom Amazon hoped to get those new and renewed Prime subscriptions that will make this whole thing worthwhile for them. It may be cynical of me, but I am not at all sure they were wrong.

@Andrew-gn9qp

Жыл бұрын

It's all about preference. Some people enjoy novelty, so they will enjoy Rings of Power. Some people enjoy timelessness, and they will dislike Rings of Power. One thing is for certain, Tolkien was all about timelessness, and there's nothing timeless about the Rings of Power, because feminism and diversity are not timeless, but social engineering.

"Nothing is bad in the beginning". The first thing you see are children fighting with each other. Galadriel speaks of "joys" in Valinor while she is just fighting with children. Elves pursue Morgoth from Valinor to Middle-earth because he extinguished their lights. We do not know who is Morgoth, an evil elf? Nor if he has a kingdom, an army or monsters? The true Morgoth didn't have Fell Beasts, but true Dragons like Smaug. We see wars, but we don't understand them. It is not known who or what they are fighting against. We don't see Morgoth, nor Sauron. Very few orcs, from behind, we don't recognize them. After the fall of Morgoth, Galadriel's brother hunts down Sauron but it is unknown why. It was Morgoth who put out their lights, not Sauron. Sauron stole their desserts? Forgot to say "Hello" to them? We do not know. But they are very angry with him. (After the War of the 1st Age, Sauron was pardoned by the Valar. He no longer had an army or a Kingdom. He was no longer a threat.) So Galadriel stubbornly pursues Sauron (who is a sincere repentant) for centuries in the North, without any results. It's a waste of time, especially when you consider that Sauron was still hiding in the South. Galadriel blames Sauron for putting out their light (while it was Morgoth who put it out), and not because he, maybe, kiIIed her brother. In fact, we do not know, we see nothing. She wants the light of her Trees, and do not care of her brother. So King Gil Galad rewards her for not finding anything and wasting her time by sending her to Valinor by boat. (Her brother is waiting for her, ressurected in Valinor.) But as she is afraid of Manwë's wrath and Mandos' judgment, she jumps out of the boat in the middle of the ocean and swims back. She encounters castaways. They all get eaten by a monster except her and Halbrand. She ties herself to a mast during a storm, orders Halbrand to tie himself to her. A wave carries the mast and she sinks with it...while Halbrand is still on the raft (very clever). Then a village of subjects of Morgoth wishes the departure of the Elven occupants. They want their king Morgoth back, they say it several time. And when their King Morgoth returns with his army of Orcs who have been their allies for millennia to free them from Elven occupation, they are afraid of the Orcs... Sure. A Redguard tells his female Imperial friend that the villagers are mean with him. She is in shock and refuses to believe him, while she has watched the Redguard being insulted by the villagers for 79 years. Mad Meteorman falls to earth. A gypsy finds him naked, takes him for a ride in a wheelbarrow. She thinks it was her destiny. Meteorman spends his time on four legs searching the earth. And when he sees someone, he stares and yells wordless screams at them. And there are still other nonsense, but the list would be too long. What does Tolkien have to do with it? I do not know. It looks a lot like "The Elder Scrolls", we recognize the Dwemers, the Falmers, the Redguards, the Imperials. But of Tolkien, absolutely nothing. And when I say "nothing", it's "nothing".

What is the reason for Elrond to go to Khazad-dûm? He was never known as a great friend of the dwarves. It was Celebrimbor who was bff with the Naugrim of Khazad-dûm. Yet the show left him standing out of Khazad-dûm and closed the door on him. Speaking of the door, it’s clear that this door is on the western side. It should have been the Doors of Durin that Celebrimbor made with his dwarf bff Narvi. I know people would say, “bUt WhAt If ThIs WaS tHe DoOr BeFoRe ThE dOoRs Of DuRiN wAs MaDe?” Well, before the Doors of Durin was built, there wasn’t a door on the western side of Khazad-dûm. The only entrance and exit was the Great Gates on the eastern side at Dimrill Dale. The only reason why there were doors there was because of the friendship between the dwarves of Khazad-dûm and the elves of Eregion.

@brianmayabella5992

Жыл бұрын

The door u mention is the same door the fellowship goes to moria?

@evelynrosewindsor

Жыл бұрын

@@brianmayabella5992 The Fellowship entered via the western side of the mountain through the gates which you have to utter the password “mellon” to open. Elrond in the show was seen entering Moria via the western side also. If there were supposed to be any doors on the western side, it should look exactly like in the Fellowship movie because that was exactly how Tolkien drew the doors in his book.

Isn't funny that those that cry about cultural appropriation, representation and inclusivity have no problem being guilty of all those things. ROP has race swapping, no Asians (20% worlds pop.) or Indians (17% worlds pop.), maybe I missed them. The effects maybe shiny but there is no luster, the writing is awful, the acting is wooden, it just doesn't flow. Least I forget Xena Warrior Princess OP kill anything including the show. One other thing if you don't like it the old racist card gets played again and don't forget fan blaming gotta have that. To be fair I might rate it a 3 or 4 at best. It's got that Cowboy Bebop vibe.

@Hero_Of_Old

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Because they don't actually care, they just want to destroy western society and prop up black people to do it.

@RealRagnar816

Жыл бұрын

Yeah diversity just seems to mean putting black people in European things

@makkonen0

Жыл бұрын

When you comment is liked by a Spanish nationalist you're doing something wrong.

@RealRagnar816

Жыл бұрын

@@makkonen0 🤔 what’s wrong with that , I am a Spanish nationalist , my country’s nationalist

@tototats16

Жыл бұрын

@@RealRagnar816 I think they meant Amazon was doing something wrong since they’re trying to market the show as diverse.

I love Samisha and Frodoette. And Doogie Elrond too. Oh and i almost forgot Hobo Baggins. And Liberace as Celebrimbore is epic!

I've read silmarillion to prepare for this show... And now watching it is so painful. The books are great... At least this show made me read them. (Sorry my eng)

@sleepteam

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you said this. I’m reading the Silmarillion and the appendices and I was going to watch the show after… now I’ll skip it.

@BondsProduction

Жыл бұрын

@@sleepteam all that surrounds this show on the internet is much more intertaining than the show itself. But I think you can still give it a try... When you watch something bad it (I'm struggling with my vocabulary) gives more appreciation for something truly good.

@dronesclubhighjinks

Жыл бұрын

Your English is great! Congratulations on getting through the Silmarillion which is a challenging read even for native speakers! Maybe watch the LOTR trilogy to cleanse your mind of what you have seen haha

@BondsProduction

Жыл бұрын

@@dronesclubhighjinks I had to rewatch the battle in Moria with a cave troll after the first episode of this sh... show

@dronesclubhighjinks

Жыл бұрын

@@BondsProduction I did that, too! Among all the other damage, the troll flung Gondor’s star warrior Boromir against a wall and seemed to have knocked out Aragorn at one point, but of course ROP Galadriel is just better than those NINE fellowship losers haha That was sarcasm. She is sickeningly arrogant.

Does Galadriel smile even once during both episodes… she just seems to have the forced wooden look of constipation in every scene. What about the rest of the cast? I think everyone liked Durin and Desa because they actually had facial expressions.

@DavidTMSN

Жыл бұрын

Mary Spruce? Karen Palmwood?

@tama_ochi

Жыл бұрын

and the twitch

With Elrond's erm ... somewhat interesting choice of hairstyle, it wouldn't have been entirely out of place to admit he unfriended Durin on Instagram and Twitter, leading to the great elf/dorf spat.

Excellent point about Aristotle, Plato, Shakespeare, Poe, etc. You HAVE to read well in order to write well. Course, I’m sure the writers wouldn’t be caught dead reading anything written more than 30 years ago…gotta stay away from all that “problematic” Western literature.

It bugs me that celebrimbor didn't even think of asking the dwarfs despite being right next to them and according to the show you can walk there.

I thought the 1 good part was the concept that elves outlive every other species and the strain that puts on inter-species friendship… of course they don’t flesh it out, it’s just a scene followed by another.

I’m not a Tolkien fan, only ever read half the middle of the trilogy. From a non- fan point of view, it’s a really bad piece of writing. No drama in the structure or dialogue. Just exposition, uni-dimensional character drawing, and I think the casting is poor. Even though the script is flat as a pancake, filled with forced grandiosity , the good actors can make it bearable, the dwarf Prince, Lenny Henry’s hobbit, etc. the elves all seem like a bunch of jackasses, more like preppy upper classes, than wise in any way. The guy who fell to earth could be vaguely interesting. Maybe. There are so many parts of this that don’t really work, if a characters going to be a self-righteous arse, I’m looking at you Galadriel, then you need more charm to carry it off. And the sense that we’ll see you realise the error of your ways at some point. Which I don’t. Looks nice, sounds nice, not as bad as wheels of time, but really not good. It’s a 3/4 outta 10 for me.

You sir are a Boss for watching this insult to Tolkien, his stories and his fans. As I stated elsewhere , I could not get past the twenty minute mark of episode one, which makes you a better man than me.

@wacimaitahmed6542

Жыл бұрын

Can i ask you a question, whats your opinion about the hobbit trilogy

@mikewalt37

Жыл бұрын

@@wacimaitahmed6542 Not a fan. Liked part one somewhat, but parts two and three turned into a D and D outing that wasn't Tolkien's vision. I blame New Line Cinema for the most part (greed always fucks up everything) and a little on Peter, who contractually was forced into it. Hope that answered your question?

Good luck explaining to future generations what happened to all the elves and hobbits of color between the second and third ages.

Yes you totally missed the whole point of this show smh. Rock look down and boats look up, why do haters find that so hard to get, this show is a masterpiece.

@greenknightable

Жыл бұрын

What?

@HAbarneyWK

Жыл бұрын

@@greenknightable Finrods words to Galadriel in the first episode

@greenknightable

Жыл бұрын

@@HAbarneyWK yeah I get that part. It's that bit about master pieces I don't get.

Most of the cgi backgrounds look good on their own but they did a bad job editing in the characters. It looks like they did all the cgi separately then just dumped the characters in front of them without going back and merging or cleaning it all up in post. In some scenes the background looks like a two dimensional painting.

The most annoying thing to me are the attempted hooks at the end of each episode. The ship finding Galadriel, the fireflies dying, the asshole son handling the sword, and the Durins opening the suitcase from pulp fiction. All of them are supposed to get the viewer on edge and anticipate the next episode, but they all fail. They fail because they are nothing but questionmarks without stakes. We do not know the implications these things bring with them. What is in the box? Who is on that ship? Whats up with meteor man? Whats up with the Sauron sword? We don't know how these thing work or what the implications of them are, so we don't know what they change about the status quo (which is a mess anyway). Thus they fail to make me excited for the next episode. They simply don't matter for the plot. They are boring and useless mystery boxes. It shows who taught the showrunners their "skills" in writing.

@shivan2418

Жыл бұрын

I was trying to sleep last night. The only things that makes me excited for new episodes is to see how badly this terrible writing fucks up. Maybe the way to watch this is as a parody.

@majkus

Жыл бұрын

Some of it is because none of the characters are given enough consecutive screen time to let us care about what happens to them, with four storylines going right from the start. In the case of the sword with the Sauron sigil, it is worse, because Theo has almost a non-speaking role, and so nobody will care what happens to him. Presumably, he will be corrupted by the sword, maybe becoming a Nazgûl down the road. Or something. But since we don't like him, this won't matter. It reminds me a bit of 'Attack of the Clones': the portrayal of Anakin as a sulking and whining teenager was so off-putting that when we saw him sliding to the Dark Side, it was kind of a shruggable event.

What a shame. Started reading these books 40 years ago. When I heard this project was in the works, I was SO on board. And now it's here. What a nothing-burger. Nothing from Tolkien but the names. Ironically, it's precisely because they haven't corrupted Tolkien so much as ignored him that I've been able to find these episodes watchable so far. I even like some bits, such as the sequences with the Dwarves, though stereotyping them AGAIN as shouty Scotsmen seems incongruent with some of the philosophies espoused by the showrunners... Mostly just feeling hollow, though. This thing is less than 1% of what it could have been.

The scenes in Moria with Durin and Disa are by far the best scenes in this show. After I watched some interviews of the cast I feared that Disa would be a bit like "Galadriel" but she is just a heartwarming Mom and I like her so far 😄

@FlyfishermanMike

Жыл бұрын

The problem is what they've set up with her. While explaining the singing to the rocks she mentions knowing where not to mine. At some point after Mithril is discovered she'll warn Durin that he's delving too deep but he won't listen and unearth the barlog. She'll be right but non of the men will have listened.

@thorleif8872

Жыл бұрын

@@FlyfishermanMike But honestly, there are sooo many movies and series where some smart person says something and nobody is listening and just because it is a woman sometimes there are people who are yelling "WOKE!!" and stuff....slowly it is just annoying with all this left and right bashing for sometimes absolutely no reason

@FlyfishermanMike

Жыл бұрын

@@thorleif8872 I agree it frequently happens and is perfectly fine when it's natural, within the character's nature and serves the story. I take issue when it's forced in to serve an agenda or when it degrades men as a statement. There are plenty of ways of doing it without appearing woke. In this case it's hard not to attribute the negativity when the writers and cast have so heavily pushed DIE and woke ideologies. I initially liked Disa's character but between the actor's comments and the other unnecessary changes to the character I found it hard to enjoy her performance. I dislike the virtue signaling and the attempts to manipulate the viewer.

@majkus

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, watching Disa and Durin was the _only_ time I was able to achieve Secondary Belief (in Tolkien's phrasing) in which I felt I was watching people conversing, instead of watching actors saying lines. Credit where it's due.

@thorleif8872

Жыл бұрын

@@majkus Absolutely. The stubbornes of the dwarves in Durin was perfect and even the singing to the stones makes sense. I mean, Eru and the Valar created the entire world with songs and melodies, so singign to the stones as some kind of dwarven magic is not a bad thing. And even if the darves will not listen to her, dwarves are greedy and when they see so much Mithril, who cares about a warning

My dudes and dudettes, that meteor man is the Balrog. His name "Mana-Ure" translated from Quenya to English has the two meanings of "Holy Fire" or "Spirit of Fire". It also didn't help that in the beginning of the episode the fire disappeared the second meteor man touched Nori a d the fact fireflies died the second his powers started to return. It's like the second he triggers his power by accident everything around him dies. Also, Balrogs were originally maiar spirits of fire that allied with Melkor back in antiquity. The theme of a Balrog is fire. I hope I'm wrong but if I'm right them damn they're breaking the lore.

Bronwyn’s “bearer of bad tidings” and no one believing her is reminiscent of all of us who desperately tried to warn people of this mediocre mess.

Will Sauron be canceled for past tweets? Maybe then this abomination will end

The whole series is missing the plot beginning with Galadriel going after Sauron. Tolkien doesn't have her doing that in the first place. That's when they began missing the plot. If they get that wrong everything else is downhill from there.

This almost looks like the The Room of the fantasy series from my impressions of this video (I didn't dare watch it entirely out of fear of not being able to delete it from memory). So they've violated "Show me don't tell me", "insert a conflict", "write compelling characters", ... They might use the series in script writing classes when it's done.

I didn’t know elves could tread water for so long. Maybe Galadriel played water polo. Impressive!

I want to support Disa. The actress is good. I agree about the Arondir's actor, his expression aren't varied and anyways I found the romance boring but I never liked the romance even in the PJ films. It just isn't Tolkien like but more Hollywood like. I found the rock breaking boring and cliché.... But not as much as the painfully long part of Galadriel drifting at sea, although I like the actress a lot, she is gorgeous.

Goddam it! Arondir *CAN* turn left! Also, being Finrod: "Excuse me. I'm not dead anymore Sis. Lay off the whole revenge thing!" 🤣

All they had to do, was get the rights to unused books and FOLLOW THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, but noooo, they had to corrupt so if it wasn't because we were told, we would've had a hard time thinking it was "Tolkien". I had a bad stomach a few days ago, I had to go to the toilet every hour or so and half of the times it felt like I was about to tear out my guts in the process, that was enjoyable compared to watching even a single episode of this series.

They're going for the multiple slow burns/reveals (who is Meteor man? Where is Sauron? Who is Halbrand? What is dark milk and is it drinkable?) but they need something to get us excited about in the meantime. One thing I will say, it's a great show to pause and go get popcorn and take your time melting the butter and adding that special salt, even going to the grocery store to get the right kind of seasoning, before returning to watch the rest. I did not feel at any time that I couldn't pause the show and do something else. No stakes. No riveting storyline to keep me glued to the monitor. I remember the first season of Homeland or BSG was "bring a urinal, cuz I ain't leaving" TV. Sadly, this is not. Maybe it'll be like Revenge of the Sith where the overall 3rd Act is at least watchable. But I do not have a New Hope that this will happen.

How did Celibrimbor and Elrond travel from Lindon to Moria so fast? Did nothing in the story happen over that time? Are we having different time lines?

@MaxxMcGeePrivate

Жыл бұрын

It's not like they are in a hurry to finish a project or something. :D Just casually walk to Moria and appear around the corner. (Notice that they are nowhere seen in the landscape shots right before)

@richardrose2606

Жыл бұрын

I have a theory. Because of the timeline compression all travel now happens instantaneously.

Galadriel was more like Feanor and Feanor's sons. Galadriel was supposed to be adventurous, not very keen on going back to Valeron. She wanted to rule her own realm. By this time, Galadriel already had a daughter who was Elrond's future wife. Galadriel was ambitious, but here, she is only vengeful!

I really hate how Feanor's hammer used to forge the silmarils is just sitting around some junky workshop on stands that Celebrimbor got on clearance at Target. Remember in the Jackson films how the shards of Narsil had their own shrine (and the importance of the shards is a fraction of the silmarils)? Just totally thoughtless.

'His second expression.' Thanks, that had me laughing the rest of the morning.

My favorite is when Elrond tells Sauron "if you like it then you shoulda put a Ring on it"

MY biggest issue so far... why would the writers take the "Galadriel and her brethren has been banished and can't return to the Undying Lands...yet" away from the story line. That says so much. 1) that she can't go back until she makes amends 2) she doesn't want to go back Also, the Elves love Middle Earth. Love the Stars and the things that grow. Not sure why they would write any of that out.

They have essentially given Galadriel the Spock-treatment. Giving her a reason for why she is so stoic in earlier adaption And in that attempt divorced her from canon.

What the main characters of any drama, be it play, novel, opera or TV show, either protagonist or antagonist, must have is charisma. You have to love them or hate them, or you just settle into boredom and indifference. Why should I care about what happens to them?

One of the things I'm seeing in support of this shit show is that it's supposed to be a slow burn and that you have to wait for more before deciding if it's good or bad. These people have no clue what a slow burn is. A slow burn is something like one of the LOTR films or GOT (Not including the last few seasons cause yikes). A slow burn is a show that moves slowly but is able to show characters doing something or pushing a plot point forward. Just think how intrigued you were reading the first few chapters of GOT or watching the first ep. That's an hour of content that got you interested in watching or several chapters that got you reading more. In this show? There's nothing in 2 hrs of content (There are many great movies that end in less than 2 hours). No plot point is moving at any decent pace or intriguing to the audience. You get world building through some of the most clunky dialogue I've ever seen and even if we look at the politics of this show. It's a dumpster fire. So Gil-Galad doesn't want her awakening the evil because reasons (His reasoning is legit just reasons). Even though he a) sent her on the mission to search for Sauron in the first place. b) he seem to understands that an evil is around. c) Surely you would want to attack your enemy while he's preparing. Not let him fully prepare. Most of the side characters are legit dumper than rocks and they only seem that dumb because they need to make OC's look smarter than they are. That's not how you write a smart character. There are bigger problems with characters, world building and everything else but I would be writing an entire essay and ROP isn't worth the time or effort for that.

It reminds me of the intro to Go Kindergarten by Lonely Island. "Sean Combs! We've been best friends for so long!"

You are not wrong. I was watching in the morning and skipped parts because I was bored. I just knew what would happen and didn´t even want to see it. Arondir really does have one expression.

Get ready for the mid season dip in quality lol

I am so with you - the dwarves were so far the best scene and Durin/Disa are quite likeable. On the other side are the terrible profane dialogues, Galadriel swimming in the water in the middle of nowhere and ... tada ... a shipwreck shows up. I am wondering if there were different authors for parts of The Rings of Power. And most disappointing was the 'stranger' scrapping the Gandalf rune in the mud...

@hectorfavela3734

Жыл бұрын

Why he said "Disa don't belong"

@AngusIII

Жыл бұрын

Yes, there seems to be a lot of agreement on aspects of Durin?Disa and very well thought out criticisms that have nothing to do with the activist actors and now Corporate Prime narrative about trolls -

The writers may not be able to use the silmarillion in their shows, but the could have read them and been guided by them, so that the silmarils would then have gotten the proper respect.

I like how you say it simple... you have to read to know how to write. I won't watch the show, only KZreadrs. So thanks for your logical take, it's helpful.

I like the bit where Guyladriel said to Halbrand how she is actually more of a bloke then he is. Halbrand be like ‘u go sister’

9:12 It's ironic because the one person who should be talking is the meteor man, because he's completely contextless...

I had a nice sunday: I watched fellowship and two towers in extended cut. I basically cried the whole movies from nostalgia! It was nice to see a relative great adaptation for a change...

I like it when guyladriel turn to her troops and say, I'll be back.

Morfydd Clark does not know her own character's name. She's repeatedly called her Gladriel in recent interview for Amazon prime. Check for yourself, it's on their KZread channel.

I think that if the meteor dude is Annatar that would be something that they actually did right. It would suck if it's true, because it makes perfect sense seeing that they messed up literally everything else that he's a fake, messed up alternate universe version of Gandalf too. But if it is Annatar having a grand entrance supposedly back to Middle Earth so that everyone thinks he's been sent by the Valar... That would actually be cool and make sense. It totally wouldn't belong in this not so cool otherwise story, but it would be a cool way to try and sucker us into not thinking he's Annatar.

There is nothing about the show so far that is gripping. No character that is endearing and that we root for. If it stays like this…the show will come and go like the Hobbit. It will not have the love and the rewatch-ability of the LOTR movies. Sad. Amazon really screwed this up.

I agree that Deesa was probably the best part of the whole episode, which is really ironic given her marketing antics. Music is good... That's all I can give it.

Will we ever learn that Sauron was Melkor's right hand and chief lieutenant? So far we have only learned that he is an evil sorcerer.

Regarding the boredom, it has reminded me what one our actor (Czech) said about the TV programme in general, still in communism: "It feels like loking out of the window on the street, and tgeres nobody going in there..."

The Elrond to Galadriel speech about friendship should be the worst thing about of this show. Galadriel wants to accomplish great things and Elrond tell her that she can still do the best of all things, be his friend. 🤣🤣🤣 I meant, that doesn't even makes sense, but even worse, let's say that has some sense, be your friend but with that I will move away from this world and I don't know if a ever see you again even when we live forever? 🤣🤣🤣 I'm trying to enjoy this show, I'm trying but until now this has been awful at best. I only hope that with the show success and the critics the second season would be better, but it's successfully being awful how can anybody expect to be better later on?

"Show, don't tell..." - it's such a fundamental mistake for this show to make that I can't believe that it's having to be said. The ONE unforgivable thing this show should never be is boring. This is a boring show.

Durin is by far the best character so far in the show. Galadriel is by far the worst: she is playing a powerful psychopath high elf, hunting down Sauron for centuries. Everybody else is tired and has pretty much given up but when she finds an actual clue, instead of supporting her, they are all like: "nah, never mind, let's have a peace-day ceremony instead and send those crackheads to Valinor so they don't mess with our agentas". Her character is written too intense and the actress herself portrays her even more intense, and this is "too much" for for regular viewer to connect with. Last but not least, Arondir is ... I have no words to describe how motionless and robotic he acts like, but again this might be the writing. The flirt with Browyn is also lame. Even in porn movies, there is more chemistry. The only good things are: the visuals + music. Surprisingly, I am ok with the Harfoots, since the are bigger issues here. If I had to put a score: With the LoTR in the title: 3/10 Without the LoTR in the title: 7/10

The writing is so trite at times. Characters sometimes speak in metaphors and unclearly to create the illusion of deep insight where there is none.

2:10 Elron left his buddy at the door for the whole entire time he was in the dwarven base looool they just left him hanging out the plot 😂

yep, description of Guyladriel's character is on point - always angsty, difficult to deal with. FWIW, Reva in the Kenobi series was written/acted the same way. Very one sided, heavy handed, and unrealistic...

There's a lot in this that irritates me. I like the dwarves as characters, but those accents are horridly cartoonish. The elves are terribly portrayed, Gil-Galad and Galadriel are the only ones that actually look like elves, but almost none of them actually act like elves. Arondir is likely the only one who invokes the stoicism of the elves, which is probably only because he is largely emotionless through out his scenes thus far. I actually like the hobbit characters more than I would have thought, but once again accent work on most of these characters feels like it came from a college freshman drama club performance. There's so many other things that irritate me in this show, but one of the biggest ones, albeit likely a small gripe in the grand scheme of things, is when elves, in the company of only other elves, speak to each other and it's almost never in elvish. It could be forgiven if you want to just accept they don't want like half of the show to be in subtitles and you can just assume all of their dialogue is in elvish, fine. But then they throw in these occasional lines that are in elvish, and so it sets off alarms in my head that there is a distinction between when they speak elvish to each other and when they're not.

@majkus

Жыл бұрын

I have a friend who knew nothing of the books when he saw the LotR films, and the Elvish code-switching confused and annoyed him. There is probably too much spoken Elvish in the Jackson films, really, especially when the film Elvish is 90% linguistic fan fiction (i.e., 'reconstructed' by David Salo) and not Tolkien's own text. More annoying to me is when the Elves' dialogue, which attempts to be in an elevated register most of the time (though straying too often into sententious aphorism) suddenly lapses into the language of Poughkeepsie with phrases like, 'It is only natural to feel conflicted,' 'a work-force greater than any assembled,' or even Galadriel calling Elrond a 'politician'. 'He is about to embark on a new project. One of singular importance. And we've decided that you will be working with him. But I'll allow you to explain the details, Lord Celebrimbor.' Change the names, and this conversation could happen in a meeting room at GnomeTech Industries in a modern-day thriller.

I think it’s Saruman. Everything seems a mirror image to a Gandalf character.

I like the Hobbit's story and the dwarfs, but I can't really find myself careing about the rest of the characters.

It is incredible that they made Middle-Earth so boring. What is the hook for this show? Everyone already knows that he will strike in Mordor, make the rings etc. We all know that Galadriel is going to be proven right, that she’s going to survive the ocean. It’s predictable, but it expects the audience to pretend that they have no idea what’s going to happen next.

@DavidTMSN

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Quick question: Do you think if they had changed the chronology (non linear) that it would have been a better option? Just to not be so predictable.

That is one of the things I've complained about the most. What is the plot?!? What the hell are the characters trying to accomplish?!? Nothing is being done!

I am starting believe that Arondir is a copy & paste of lieutenant commander Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager. They could not be more alike.

I bet the fans of this show still can argue that there is a plot. The real missing part is script supervisor, 'cause they can't even keep the lighting of some scenes have physical coherence.

At this point they made Galadriel totally unlikable and toxic. I know for sure they will do something to change this, but the thing is that they need to make her relatable in some way before that change starts. I would like to imagine that they have her either reveal a bit more about herself and her mission or experience something that shifts the narrative of her doing all of this stuff to avenge her brother. Then they need to have her face a big enemy and be smacked down hard. Like no chance no impressive moves, just smacked. That needs to humble her and help her see that there are others ways to fight the evil that is around. Oh and also they need to have her reasons for finding Sauron more than just about her brother. It's as if the fact that Sauron did that is more concerning than the fact that Sauron might return and kill hundreds of thousands. Also I do like Elrond in this show. The parts I dislike are when they make him either unintelligent or a simp. Of course this only happens when around Galadriel. They need to dim the rest to make her appear brighter because they made her character so fundamentally flawed.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 🧀🐁

How do you escape the copyright stikes? How do you escape the algorithm that dings the videos based on copyrights?

I know How the soundtrack works in Lotrs when Gandalf say - Behold the great realm dwarf city of Dwarrowdelf

Why is Arondir crawling away in fear from a single orc !!! All that brooding love has weakened his mind. Gone were the days of taking down a full Mumakil single handed without fear. In other news Galadriel single handedly takes down a snow troll whilst all other warriors get slapped. We are suppose to believe a make do ship can travel 1000s of nautical miles, whilst meteors carry wizards across the sky pre TA. CHEERS AMAZON