The Reform revolution
Inaya Folarin Iman, Ella Whelan and Tom Slater discuss Nigel Farage’s surge in the UK election.
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A vote for Reform was a vote for common sense. In my experience journalists and political commentators tend to reflect widely held views on subjects they couldnt possibly be expert on. They (largely inadvertently) promote the status quo and therefore contribute to a lack of ambition or realism to what can be achieved. It is entirely possible to turn around the country's fortunes, to turn back the boats, transform the NHS and modernise our armed forces.
@chazzmo1
18 күн бұрын
@@Baldnesz you could add reforming the police , judiciary and Whitehall , to that list and you’ll get my vote 🏴👍
@harrypmay
18 күн бұрын
Common sense? Common sense is understanding that you cannot stop immigration and have a functioning economy. Even in the impossible scenario of net zero, you are still receiving immigrants. That is common sense. Reform, just like with Brexit, is selling desperate people pie in the sky policies that no government is ever going to enact. If people understood that the economy would tank if they closed the borders, they’d be less keen on the idea. This is why Reform are dead silent on economic issues.
@Wouldntyouliketoknow2
18 күн бұрын
@@belson65by tax the rich - are the tax brackets currently not enough for you? It's like an effective 60% tax for those earning over £100k and 40% under that until the basic rate. The tax we pay in this country is absolutely absurd already. I personally just can't be bothered to work any more - when I do 60 hour weeks and can barely afford a house.. whilst at the same time people who aren't contributing are expecting ever increasing handouts for cause X and cause Y, demanding "the rich" pay for more. Unionised workers demanding ever higher wages for ever more expensive but crappier services. I don't think there are very many "rich" people anymore. There are the super rich, and the middle class has mostly become much poorer to the point they are surviving not thriving. I do agree that there are some super rich who use tax loopholes to avoid the tax on income and those should be closed. However sole traders and other non super rich people use these loopholes also. For example a sole trader may pay themselves a salary just under the high tax bracket then take dividends, and live off expenses. Meanwhile though, any tax gain that is made, you then then just see governments pi** most of it up the wall with no repercussions, and we continue to get more of the same come re-elections.
@chrissmith2114
17 күн бұрын
'Groupthink' same with climate change but nobody wants to put their head above the parapet and risk getting canceled or defunded.
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
@@chrissmith2114You also get group think , and cancellation with Reform. Can't win.
Labour are worse thing for Britain
@brianferguson7840
18 күн бұрын
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
@tonyh5484
18 күн бұрын
a return of the bubonic plague might be worse but i suppose not much worse
@spinaway
18 күн бұрын
@@brianferguson7840 And no money left in the till at the end of it.
@spinaway
18 күн бұрын
@@tonyh5484 That's not as daft as it sounds, Mass immigration has caused a massive upward spike in TB.
@Smaxedd
18 күн бұрын
@@brianferguson7840 Ya gay
An installed WEF snake 🐍 replaced by another WEF snake 🐍🤬🤮🏴
@Stafford674
17 күн бұрын
Just remind us all what a WEF snake is.
@user-te1hi9rx7b
16 күн бұрын
farage is a wef snake. supports its leader charles
@xaniaschannel4317
16 күн бұрын
Is a WEF similar to LBW?
I am proud to have voted for REFORM! It’s just the beginning. Nigel for PM by 2029
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
I used to be in a personality cult in the past. I'm not proud.
@hittitecharioteer
17 күн бұрын
@@honberg193 It is an anti-authoritarian movement operating openly in a severely damaged system once believed to be representative democracy.
@rjanarvikk4006
16 күн бұрын
Delulu
Reform only way to go.
How do a party with the third highest number of votes only get 5 seats, yet Liberals get 66 with less votes. This highlights the issues with our electoral system.
@shazAnddollysausage
18 күн бұрын
Corruption always bloody corruption 😡
@ISAF_Ace
18 күн бұрын
@@shazAnddollysausageit’s just the weird voting system first past the post. Horribly outdated in this day.
@adamschofield2960
18 күн бұрын
Because there has to be a winner and a loser in every aspect of life. There are no rewards for failing to win.
@solidflyer286
18 күн бұрын
Because when we had the chance to move to a different vote system people said no
@Mickyocean123
18 күн бұрын
RIGGED FOR THE UNI PARTIES 🤪
We never got Brexit
@t.c.4321
17 күн бұрын
Yes we did
@rjanarvikk4006
16 күн бұрын
Your comment is very strange... So the UK is still a member of the European Union?
Reform have only one direction and that has to be populism... Be for the people , prove they're for the people and the numbers will grow.
@johnpoulter
18 күн бұрын
Yes, absolutely and there's nothing wrong with that. Populism has been painted as something below-par, naff, the preserve of the unthinking chav, but it's really the spirit of common sense. I like Farage's inclination towards referendums, as per the Swiss. This is a great way to settle key issues. If you trust the people to choose well that is, and the trouble with a lot of governments is they would rather have their teeth pulled than trust the people who elected them.
@chazzmo1
18 күн бұрын
@@johnpoulter there has to be a movement , which populism purports to be, which isn’t , more of the same.(MOTS) The sounds emanating from reform have a ring of populism but they need to keep convincing the electorate and it will only happen if they’re genuine. If they are not they will be found out very quickly , even now the lying machine is working overtime, as you’d expect and the so called sympathetic media outlets, already have their knives at the ready , as that is the starting blocks of the media. Time me will tell .
@andybrice2711
17 күн бұрын
@@johnpoulter I think populism can sometimes be reductive and impulsive. Making policy on gut instinct because it feels like "common sense" without considering complex and counterintuitive details. But we certainly need a fair bit of populism to balance out technocratic elitism.
I'm amazed noone is talking about what happened to the SNP, they got absolutely battered. I guess Yousaf criticising white people in a 96% white country probably wasn't a good idea.
@Woke_Invaders
18 күн бұрын
The ads aren't true then? You'd think all of Europe --> Africa 😂.
@sharksbreath7
18 күн бұрын
It's pronounced "HU-WHITE" 😅
@joedover1835
18 күн бұрын
😂
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
One of the reasons was they lost contact with reason over self I.D. hopefully Starmer will learn that lesson.
@michaelcatto8323
16 күн бұрын
His Lead Balloon moment!
Yvette Cooper tried to stop Brexit. Will she try to stop the boats?
@dave.F0X
18 күн бұрын
No, because Cooper refuses to leave the ECHR which has blocked deportations. Labour will fast-track asylum claims to clear the backlog, which in turn will encourage more boats. Labour will also make it easier for immigrants to apply using a new legal method. Net migration is about to explode.
@pistonburner6448
18 күн бұрын
She will stop whatever the big boys (from foreign countries) tell her to stop.
@marumaru6084
18 күн бұрын
Yeah adding value to grooming gangs since the Blair era!
@richardwhite1120
18 күн бұрын
Don't hold your breath
@richardwhite1120
18 күн бұрын
Don't hold your breath
the thing to highlight is actually how bad Labour actually did , which has been distorted by their high seats 14 years of inept Tory rule, and what Starmer gets a lower vote share the Corbyn, no change in England, a Decline in Wales and only a gain in Scotland because of the even worse SNP Then consider that Labour only got twice the number of votes than Reform, not the tories, but the party that only really become known to many a month ago The tories did as expected terrible, but we are also seeing the end of Labour, and i doubt the next 5 years will improve their lot I can't see at the next GE many people returning to the Tories, but i don't see them sticking with Labour either, sure the Libdems might benefit, but i think Reform is poised to pick up a huge swathe of Ex Tory, Ex Labour Supporters
@andrewsarchus6036
16 күн бұрын
Yup, that's my analysis too. Except I don't think the utter lunatics on the Liebour front bench will make it to anywhere near 2029.
In YouGov's poll - also quoted in Winston Marshall’s latest video on KZread - Labour voters were asked for the main reason why they voted labour this time around. The vast majority, as much as all the other reasons given put together, voted Labour not because they like the policies, not to protect the NHS, not because they believe in a more equal or fair Britain, not because they consider them to be at the party of the working class or care about ordinary people - and nothing to do with trusting the integrity of the party and least of all not because they believe Starmer is likely to be a good leader. They did so for the single and absolutely overriding reason that they just wanted to get rid of the Tories. In other words they have no essential belief whatsoever in what Labour stands for, nothing to do with any reformist values and certainly nothing to do with the bizarre meandering and nonsensical arguments given by Boris… they just wanted to use the system - strategically and cynically - because they hate the Tories so much. What does that tell you about Labour (lack of) values and our stupid voting system?
@jamonit7169
18 күн бұрын
Peter, in short you're saying Labour were very lucky this time... (-: Nicely put though and good of you to mention Winston Marshall, he's far more palatable than Russell Brand, and it has nothing to do with their personalities. I'm sure I don't need to elaborate further. cheers
@prsancho
18 күн бұрын
Yep. If Labour doesn’t understand that they’ve won mainly for being “not-Tories”, they will get a reality check really soon.
4.1 million people is a voice both Labour and Conservative need to listen to, but they won't
@brianferguson7840
18 күн бұрын
Racist, Facist voices are not worth listening to. Ever !
@prsancho
18 күн бұрын
The silent voice of those who didn’t vote is also screaming.
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
@@prsanchoThose that didn't vote, can't complain.
@prsancho
17 күн бұрын
@@honberg193, oh!, they can. The no-vote can even be a form of complaint in itself.
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
@@prsancho But it doesn't achieve anything. A few thousand people drawing a big c$%k on their ballot paper, maybe 🤔
Five seats they are now known as The Famous Five.
@pistonburner6448
18 күн бұрын
The five-finger hammer!
@adammoss5284
18 күн бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 five reasons to be cheerful.
@baswenmakers6846
18 күн бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 Does that come with lube?
@pistonburner6448
18 күн бұрын
@@baswenmakers6846 Leftist tears will fulfill that role. If they don't repent = cry, then no lube.
@pistonburner6448
18 күн бұрын
@@baswenmakers6846 Whoever the extremist loser is who keeps censoring my comments certainly is crying: that'll work.
Liz Truss’ budget was never even implemented, so how can they lay the blame at her feet. In a couple of years when Labour have finished the country off they will still blame Liz Truss.
@davehunter9342
18 күн бұрын
Truss'a idea to grow the economy appears to have been a good idea when taken up by Hunt and Reeves as though they thought of it first ..
@Stafford674
17 күн бұрын
The announcement of the budget was enough. Truss planned a budget deficit, financed by cheap borrowing. The markets decided this was not going to work, that inflation would rise. Fhey weren't going to lend to H.M. Government or to the people of this country except at high interest. Loss of support for Truss in parliament and country. To put it figuratively, would you lend your car to someone who said she was planning to drive it off a cliff?
in just a month with the boats still crossing people will be regretting not voting reform, if you expect nothing from labour, you will not be disappointed
What is the chance that the original seat prediction for Reform (13) was so far off so that the final total would seem like a disappointment? Seems like the petty crap the establishment would pull.
@prsancho
18 күн бұрын
They got a lot of 2nd place finishes. The model simply pointed that the probability was of them winning more of those. The issue is that it was an uncommon race. The regular models don’t work well when this happens.
@theknightswhosay
17 күн бұрын
They came within 1000 or so votes several times. I think the model hasn’t learned 5-way races very well.
@theknightswhosay
17 күн бұрын
But honestly it wouldn’t surprise me
@andybrice2711
17 күн бұрын
I think it's just the _Law of Large Numbers._ You inevitably get more randomness in your statistical sample for smaller parties. Exit polls are typically accurate to within about ±10 seats. So proportionally that's a larger error for lower seat counts.
@theknightswhosay
17 күн бұрын
@@andybrice2711 Makes sense. They also weren’t competitive in enough places to make up for it. The exit poll didn’t predict S. Basildon & E. Thurrock, but that was the only unexpected difference from the exit poll that mattered. When it’s Tory or Labour, the constituencies they’re supposed to win are more likely to be canceled out by unlikely wins since small differences more often matter in wins and losses for those parties.
Why did the Tories do so bad??? Did they really think that the average British man in the street would for for an UNELECTED INDIAN MILLIONIARE worth £651M?? The Tories could not have picked a worse candidate for British PM if they had tried!! That D-Day fiasco just drove that point home like nothing else... As regards the campaign I don't think that I have ever witnessed the Tories ever run such an inept election campaign where everything went wrong..
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
Apart from incompetence. They verred further to the right. That was why. Starmer took up the center ground.
@xaniaschannel4317
16 күн бұрын
He's not Indian
They do not speak for us anymore many of us would not Vote for any of the main parties
If the planes got off the ground and the boats were pushed or turned back he could have still been in power.
He keeps saying 4 seats when they actually have 5
@RichardBrake-fo4iw
15 күн бұрын
Probably recorded before the recount that gained the 5th seat
I am clinging onto the hope that Labour wil realise that if they delivery what the Tories delivered and more (mass migration, failure to stop the boats) then they will get the same treatment as the Tories in 2029.
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
They will. Reform was a protest vote. They ignore it at their perril.
There are 5 Reform MPs
@clairee4939
17 күн бұрын
They came second in 98 constituencies.
@xaniaschannel4317
16 күн бұрын
@clairee4939 which means they lost 98 times....easy maths
We have joined as members and voted Reform. We are supporting them in the future too.
They have 5 MPs
Nigel will get the Trump treatment.
@sharksbreath7
18 күн бұрын
Trump is an anomaly. The more the deep state throws at him the stronger he gets. I hope Farage has the same resiliency.
call me crazy but i believe sunak wanted to destroy the torry party to force UK back into the EU
@brianferguson7840
18 күн бұрын
You are 🤪 crazy. Honestly, you are.
@davehunter9342
18 күн бұрын
His only achievement helping liebour.
Sorry i wouldn't call their policies shallow! They are the policies every common sense person in this country cares about.
Who is censoring this comments section so ridiculously hard? Spiked: be honest, be transparent and let us know if you have been censoring comments here, what kinds of comments, and on what grounds!
@banedon8087
18 күн бұрын
Almost certainly it will be youtube. Due to UK & US elections this year and the growing anger with the status quo, yotube are censoring harder and harder.
@jamonit7169
18 күн бұрын
Which comment of yours was "hidden", was it the one that began " Why reduce Reform into "working class revolt"?" I don't normally watch Spiked but find them just as condescending as all the others. cheers
@pistonburner6448
18 күн бұрын
@@jamonit7169 Yes, that was one of *_several_* comments of mine which were hidden/censored/deleted for absolutely no legitimate reason.
@jamonit7169
18 күн бұрын
@@pistonburner6448 I have no idea who is responsible, it could simply be people ( I think you know who I mean..) using the "report" facility alongside each comment. There's not a lot we can do apart from mention it, the fact you did led me to look for your hidden comment (do you know how I did?). It is a bit tedious and most people don't bother.. I saw one person get round it by breaking up their rather long comment into smaller pieces. cheers
@honberg193
17 күн бұрын
It's Splked. Their part of cancel culture.
Why is Ella sneering at Lee Anderson?
Reform is the party for the working class people 👍🇬🇧
5 Reform seats
I voted Reform but I’m in Cornwall so we were never going to win
Boris betrayed us and Sunak hadnt a clue. A good number of conservativr MPs could have gone over to Reform , esp in the north and trounced Labour.
@davehunter9342
18 күн бұрын
Party before people doesn't work that way
5 seats won not 4 Reform🏴🇬🇧
Well said Anaya, the people know what they want, these career politicians and journalist are in it for themselves.
Keep voting REFORM, 👍 Labour will get found out big time. 20,29 farage will be MP. 🇬🇧
The elephant in the room is AI.
In the end I am confident of that the reform UK party will gain power in the next election, the labour party are destined to failure especially after appointing David Lammy in one of the most important jobs in the country, let's reflect on this for a moment,
@NorfolkSceptic
17 күн бұрын
Their Energy Policies require repealing the Laws of Physics, and Supply and Demand.
Gaslight lies repeated enough becomes their TRUTH!!!!
Welcome to doom's day under labour
@brianferguson7840
18 күн бұрын
For those too young or too stupid to remember. Under the last Labour government, Highest satisfaction in the NHS "Ever". 20,000 more police officers, 32,000 police support staff. 63,000 more nursing staff. Twice as many courts, libraries, police stations. 19,000 more doctors. Average wage 31% higher. 26,000 surestart centers nationally. 2 day waiting time for GP appointments 4 hour A&E waiting time. Lowest child poverty since the war. Lowest homeless numbers since the 80s. Highest living standards since the war. BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY IMPROVEMENT "DONT VOTE FOR THE PARTY THAT EXISTS FOR YOUR BENEFIT"
The Liebour clown car will be off the road loooong before 2029.
The 'sanctity' of any referendum.
The third places in Labour gains from Conservatives are equally important.
If your going to debate please get your facts right
I thought this was going to be good but I turned off because it was just trivial.
How could anyone with conservative values voted for LIEBOUR 🤮🤯🐑
@davehunter9342
18 күн бұрын
to win With less votes than Corbyn I don't think they did
Reform uk is only going to get bigger stronger now people our done with Labour they won't last 5 years far from it we british our going to pay close attention in parliament now and when labour starts messaging up like we brits no they will the British native people will want labour gone ASAP and nigal will step in as prime minister plus nigal more educated and clever then all of labour put together and that's a fact so NF for prime minister 🏴🇬🇧♥️✝️⚔️
Five seats
Strange how Tories had 80 seat majority and then proceeded to destroy the country....
That was actually a really interesting and informative conservation. More of this please.
How about the Green revolution and the lib dem revolution too
MISTER. NIGEL. FARAGE. IS. ONE. VERY. HONEST AND VERY. GOOD. MAN. OF. UK. PEOPLE. AND. IS. ONE. FORTUNE. FOR. UK. PEOPLE. AGAINST. AGAINST. EVERY. DISGRACE.
Stupid question. Easy answer is shit government for 14 years.
Dont talk about illegal immigration if your not going to talk about the wars we as the british have been complicit in
@davehunter9342
18 күн бұрын
Many wars we the British are not complicit in Sudan, yemen, Eritrea Vietnam, .Albania why should we accept the world of runaways
The Tories failed to fight Woke and DEI.
Lib lab cons greens Snp are the past ..vote SDP for family freedom manufacturing and pride in Britain
Wow, a massive five seats, only 407 seats less than Labour.
5 seats
i voted reform and nothing is ever going to change my vote. he was asked what he would promise to do in the next 100 days swerved his answer by saying he has already done something. im confused and as a member of the public would appreciate straight talk. question. then answer. shame on all you labour voters dont start crying when our country becomes third world!!!!!!!!!!
I lasted just over 60s before the drivel got to me and stopped watching.
Is Reform a 'one man band', will it implode if Donald Trump offers Nigel Farage a job in his new administration, if he becomes President?
There's NOT enough RACISTS in the UK for Farage to make an impact ( his already the most hated politician) he should go back to his mate Putin and give us a break.-LOL
@simplesimon5739
18 күн бұрын
Haven't you left the UK yet. All this rubbish about racism puts me of practising my goose stepping.
@brianferguson7840
18 күн бұрын
frogidge the foghorn of ignorance 🐸🐸🐸
@royhaywood7864
18 күн бұрын
Farage and his party' got 4 million votes come nige.
@user-ee1zb1fn3y
18 күн бұрын
No there really aren't enough racists are there.
@user-bq2tc6dh6t
18 күн бұрын
which is why muslims have some power
REFUK is revolting. 😂
@brianferguson7840
18 күн бұрын
Totally ! Led by the froghorn 🐸📯of ignorance and total🔔🔚
Why do you have Emma Whelan on as she is much more at home with BBC.
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