Back when Britain was still at the forefront of aviation technology.

@mr.hermitsquid2694

Ай бұрын

Hate to break it to you but I don't think Britain was ever at the forefront. That would be the French in the early days, followed by Germany at the beginning of ww2 and America at the end, and then America kind of stayed there with maybe some trading with the Russians. I am totally interested in debating this though. Mostly a massive generalization but I think it is accurate

@GG-ir1hw

Ай бұрын

@@mr.hermitsquid2694 The UK invented jet engines with Frank whittle in the RAF. Britain had the first allied operational jet fighter as result the meteor. It gave the Americans the jet engine in the Tizard mission, which they used and developed their own ones from. Along with the cavity magnetron and radar in general which Britain developed became massively important for air combat. Britain had great engines in general with Rolls Royce, Bristol and Napier manufacturing extremely powerful engines such as the Merlin, griffon, Centaurus and Sabre all producing well over 2,000 hp by war ends. With some notable applications being the Spitfire, Hurricane, Lancaster, Mosquito, P-51, Hornet, Typhoon and Tempest. Planes that incredible performance. From the days of WW1 Britain had aircraft like the sopwith camel and formed the first independent airforce in the world the RAF on April 1st 1919. The inter war period saw designs just as modern as the best of others. Including many record breaking racing aircraft. It was the largest airforce in the world for most of the inter war period. By early WW2 the RAF was still the second biggest in the world and had a strong core of metal monoplane aircraft in addition to reserves serving in the colonies. They were also very advanced in naval aviation. They built the first full length deck modern carrier HMS Argus. They also introduced the Island concept with HMS Hermes. Later things like armoured decks, steam catapults, angled flight decks and mirror landing systems were all developed by the Royal Navy for naval aviation. Many of these idea were taken up by the their USN colleagues and allies. They are literally vital to modern carrier operations of fast modern jets. Without building 500m long carriers. Point is Britain always was one of most important aviation developing nations in the world. Some of their other achievements include VTOL harrier jump jets using the Pegasus engine, still used by USMC to this day. The Canberra adopted by the USAF as the B-57. The Comet the world’s first commercial jet airliner ever. The supersonic Concorde in collaboration with the French. The engines being the famed RR Olympus. Britain especially in the mid-late 1940s held a huge advantage in jet engine quality and manufacturing. They were and still are considered some of the best jet engines in the world, (RR still makes half the passenger planes engines). The US would still periodically select British engines for their aircraft built under licence. The Soviets sent a delegation to steal British engines and their secrets. This included the RR Nene and derwent engines that later powered many Soviet aircraft as modified engines including the notorious Mig-15 that out performed in F-86 sabre in many metrics.

@DECODEDVFX

Ай бұрын

@@mr.hermitsquid2694 Britain developed the first jet airliner, the first VTOL and the first commercial supersonic aircraft.

@mr.hermitsquid2694

29 күн бұрын

​@DECODEDVFX I was thinking of the military. I did forget about the Comet. Good point there. That alone is enough honestly. You win. Britain on top immediately after ww2 until early to mid 1950s. I don't think the concord should count in this case. There were more advanced and far more successful aircraft. Also, France was a major contributer here. Amazing airplane for sure but not one to put them on top.

@GG-ir1hw

29 күн бұрын

@@mr.hermitsquid2694 The UK invented jet engines with Frank whittle in the RAF. Britain had the first allied operational jet fighter as result the meteor. It gave the Americans the jet engine in the Tizard mission, which they used and developed their own ones from. Along with the cavity magnetron and radar in general which Britain developed became massively important for air combat. Britain also had great engines in general with Rolls Royce, Bristol and Napier manufacturing extremely powerful engines such as the Merlin, griffon, Centaurus and Sabre all producing well over 2,000 hp by war ends. With some notable applications being the Spitfire, Hurricane, Lancaster, Mosquito, P-51, Hornet, Typhoon and Tempest. Planes that had incredible performance. Even from the days of WW1 Britain had aircraft like the sopwith camel and formed the first independent airforce in the world the RAF on April 1st 1919. The inter war period saw designs just as modern as the best of others. Including many record breaking racing aircraft. It was the largest airforce in the world for most of the inter war period. By early WW2 the RAF had a strong core of metal monoplane aircraft in addition to reserves serving in the colonies. They were also very advanced in naval aviation. They built the first full length deck modern carrier HMS Argus. They also introduced the Island concept with HMS Hermes. Later things like armoured decks, steam catapults, angled flight decks and mirror landing systems were all developed by the Royal Navy for naval aviation. Many of these idea were taken up by the their USN colleagues and allies. They are literally vital to modern carrier operations of fast modern jets. Without building 500m long carriers. The point is Britain always was one of most important aviation developing nations in the world. Some of their other achievements include VTOL harrier jump jets using the Pegasus engine, still used by USMC to this day. The Canberra adopted by the USAF as the B-57. The Comet the world’s first commercial jet airliner ever. The supersonic Concorde in collaboration with the French. The engines being the famed RR Olympus. Britain especially in the mid-late 1940s held a huge advantage in jet engine quality and manufacturing. They were and still are considered some of the best jet engines in the world, (RR still makes half the passenger planes engines). The US would still periodically select British engines for their aircraft built under licence. The Soviets also sent a delegation to steal British engines and their secrets. This included the RR Nene and derwent engines that later powered many Soviet aircraft as modified engines including the notorious Mig-15 that out performed in F-86.

Last saw one flying at the MASSIVE RAF Lossiemouth airshow in 1986. Simply the best UK airshow of the past fifty years.

The hunter like the mirage lll were sexy looking aircraft really good looking!

@michaelw2288

29 күн бұрын

These models faced off against each other in 1967. At subsonic merging speed they were evenly matched in the hands of 2 top pilots, until the Hunter pilot made a slight tactical error.

Sonic boom never precedes an aircraft

I have a book from the era with a chapter written by Neville Duke on how to take the Hunter through Mach 1 in a shallow dive. Absolute beautiful aircraft. If a toddler draws a jet it's nearly always Hunteresque! That saying of "If it looks right, it is right." must've haunted the Hunter's design team. The best airshow is always improved with a Hawker Hunter! Does anyone remember Miss Demeanor at Folkestone standing on her tail directly over Display Control! Stunning!

The loud sound we heard was the sonic boom, the F-3 broke the sound barrier as its speed went to Mach 1, it broke a speed record, but only temporarily, as many aircraft, notably the Lockheed X-15, surpass the F-3

Nice looking plane, I had a metal model of one when I was a boy.

My dad worked on them as ground crew in the ‘50s. I have a picture of him sitting in the cockpit working on it.

To think that just a decade before ths was developed, radial piston engines and propellers. What an advancement.

Swept wing design has nothing to do with turbulence, it is to produce a wing with the same wing area but with a lower cross sectional area thus reducing drag.

Indian Air Force used the Hunter to great effect. Lebanon not so much.

Avon. Ha. Avon is a cool word.

Fantastic proven aircraft. Engineering at its finest

Avon, the river in central England, used to rhyme with "haven". Then an American company started selling cosmetics door-to-door in this country. Its ads used the phrase "Avon calling!". "Avon" was pronounced with a long "o". Americans started saying that Shakespeare was from "Stratford-on-Avon" (with a long "o" in "Avon". This mispronunciation has been reimported (as in this video). Is this really necessary?

When we had a countrt to be proud of now no real navy airforce or army all been cut to the bone .

How did it sonic boom at 727 mph

They eventually caught up to the ME262

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The RR Avon jet engine powered the Mig15s used by Russia in the Korean war . . .

@iatsd

Ай бұрын

Nope. Mig15 has a version of the RR Nene engine, not the Avon.

@promerops

Ай бұрын

@@iatsd Correct. The Avon was an axial flow engine, as opposed to the centrifugal power plant that was the Nene.

@EllieMaes-Grandad

29 күн бұрын

@@iatsd Thank you. Whichever it was, it was reverse-engineered from a British gift . . .

That German Me262 jet had swept-back wings, in the early 1940s . . .

@mrsnoutzgames

Ай бұрын

They never said anything about the me262 or it not having swept wings

@iatsd

Ай бұрын

And? The 262 had swept wings for CoG purposes, not for aerodynamic reasons. It was *designed* with straight wings.

@86pp73

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the Me262 has swept-back wings for aerodynamic stability, rather than achieving supersonic flight. The designers had no idea that feature could enable the aircraft to travel fast than Mach 1, and were never aiming to achieve that. People love to try to validate German wonder-weapon propaganda of the era after the fact, even though it's just that: propaganda. It's lies and overstatements to make a weak and losing state seem stronger than it really was.

@EllieMaes-Grandad

29 күн бұрын

@@mrsnoutzgames Intentionally, or otherwise?

@EllieMaes-Grandad

29 күн бұрын

@@iatsd It flew with swept-back wings though . . .