What are your thoughts on the matter? Should DS4's be banned as well? Gafrobox website: gafro.stores.jp/ More info on the Gafrobox on twitter: twitter.com/Gafrohair Daigo explaining his buttons: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dqlolKtthq60qco.html

@Welbeloved

5 жыл бұрын

Dual Shock 4's are banned in some TO's.

@GarethXL

5 жыл бұрын

Yes Or at least until someone finds a way to force it into neutral cleaning with a port or something, but since it's wireless I doubt it because if they did it's the same as banning it out right since I'm pretty sure that it will cause input delay.

@Mesokrzee

5 жыл бұрын

I think all controllers should be banned except the racing will

@bebenda

5 жыл бұрын

Mr. Sujano what's the need in it? But i am probably not allowed to speak, i play on keyboard

@youtubeuser4221

5 жыл бұрын

The more I think about this, the more that I think there needs to be hammered out guidelines on what can and can't be on a custom made stick. Back in the USF4 days, Tokido had extra buttons on his arcade stick as well. One was mapped to Up which allowed for instant Ultra 2.

i got banned by using my opponents controller to not block my mix up

@betanick14

5 жыл бұрын

xD wtf

@ggmasterguiltygear6315

5 жыл бұрын

Lol,sounds like my Lil brother in umvc3

@Gamsterjeff600

5 жыл бұрын

Thats definitely cheating

@bb97979

5 жыл бұрын

Woudln't have expected less from a smash 4 player.

@JonahDeroy

5 жыл бұрын

@@bb97979 Oof

Daigo will get banned even if he uses classic Nintendo controller.

@Soeeasy

5 жыл бұрын

HaHAA

@raidenkeify

5 жыл бұрын

Uses a an Atari controller

@brogoram

4 жыл бұрын

lmao..nes controller

@banezh1611

4 жыл бұрын

brogo ram ikr

@devocionesartisticas1024

4 жыл бұрын

Nice.

You left out the important part where the gafrobox type Daigo used was allowed previously at tournaments (by other players), and that he specifically contacted TO's (including ones from Combo Breaker) and asked if they had okayed the gafroboxes in the past and they said yes. Although this is Capcom's ruling and not Combo Breaker's, but Daigo did do his homework.

@texteel

5 жыл бұрын

making the entire banning even more BS. Not a single one of the previous things matter if CB will just ban it regardless.

@shindean

5 жыл бұрын

Then you are missing the point, those other tournaments were small in comparison to a Capcom sponsor Pro Tour venue. You think there are over thousands of dollars on the line, and nobody's going to call bullshit?

@chrisredfield6825

4 жыл бұрын

Combo Breaker is secretly holding to the rules of DBZ tournaments; "No gods allowed at tournaments".

@ww-pw6di

4 жыл бұрын

@@shindean If a thousand buckeroos is gonna get you all triggered then it might be due time to leave the neet cave and get a job.

@shindean

4 жыл бұрын

@@ww-pw6di 1k? You small-time little boy, these tournaments go up to half a million dollars. You can't even count money, get back to your lemonade stand lol

"If you didn't like the video, leave a like" some reverse psycology here

@emh6033

4 жыл бұрын

He also use hitbox hhhhh lik and don't like same time

@MaximRecoil

4 жыл бұрын

That's not "reverse psychology." If it were, that would mean he wants people to leave a dislike if they didn't like the video. "Reverse psychology" is when you tell someone to do or not do the opposite of what you really want them to do or not do.

@lonelyboysole

4 жыл бұрын

i never disliked a video so fast lol

Capcom did not offer any actual reason for why the Hit Box is banned, people are only speculating. Multiple buttons performing the same action has never been banned in the FGC prior, so it's ridiculous to assume this is the reason. Sako uses extra buttons and has for years, if that was the reason the Hit Box was banned then Sako would have been banned. As explained in the video, the pad can also do the same SOCD input for things like Sonic Booms. Nuckledu has been doing it since SF4. Capcom basically banned the Gafrobox because of all of the controversy about the controller and they wanted to look like they were doing something about it, but needed more time to think about what the proper solution should be. Either the ban is going to get reversed, or controller rules are going to get real topsy turvy real quick and they'll need to do things like ban pads, ban Sako's stick, ban mods, ban custom controllers, do all sorts of wacky stuff.

@MrSujano

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I agree with what you're saying. Capcom has potentially created a mess on their hands if the decision isn't reversed.

@leodf1

5 жыл бұрын

I agree that's exactly what happened. But I don't think they will change any rules. They will leave everything as is. Avoid rocking the boat. Business as usual.

@JohnXuandou

5 жыл бұрын

@randomguy8196 The game foes have SOCD cleaning, and it's a similar method to Daigo's Gafro box. Except instead of it picking the second input of left+right, it instead opts to forward, which gives you a lot of the same results, however because it's tied to the game logic of forward, it basically option selects the direction you input for you. That's how the game natively works.

@josefernandez4423

5 жыл бұрын

it's because of the mob mentality. the pressure from people got capcom confused and didn't have the time to actually study it so they just said "ban it. we will look at it later".

@JOhnDoe-nl4wj

5 жыл бұрын

It's because hitboxes are flat out superior to fight sticks. Thing is, beat em up games are closely related to fightstick manufacturer. I assume the companies put pressure on capcom, at least until they ajusted to the market and sold of most of the fightstick stock while having a hitbox lineup ready. Usually this takes less then a years.

This guy's voice is so nice, he can explain why paint dries in 8 hours 34 minutes, and I'd happily listen to it in peace.

@Doktormustache

5 жыл бұрын

Ikr? Very well spoken and charismatic. Explains everything well on the top of a great voice. Woof.

@Darowdyone7486

5 жыл бұрын

@@Doktormustache idk what hes even talking about but I'm still watching lmaooooo

@limmynade

5 жыл бұрын

@@Doktormustache It's not the best voice but it's just so well toned, calm, it's great on the ears.

@x6173

4 жыл бұрын

4 months later and I’m etching this for the 40th time and I’m not joking

@StreetFighterIIFeb

3 жыл бұрын

nope. what i did notice is he does not speak a word of junk in this video, every single sentence is detail that is accurate, to the point, and very clear. great video for novice and pros alike

daigo should use wireless buttons attached to his toes.

@aminethe3rd

5 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@bex5635

4 жыл бұрын

PoMtL yes

@crowhub619

3 жыл бұрын

Why? So he can literally dance the dance of death?

@crowhub619

3 жыл бұрын

@Doodoointernet bruh I made this comment ages ago. Props on you for responding

New Rules: All participants are required to use a single mouse to play the game. Figuring out how to make it work is not our problem Addendem: Mice are now banned from tournaments due to the function of the scroll wheel, all participants are now required to hold street fights in front of the building to determine winners Addendum: Now participant over 150lbs is allowed to participate in the tournament street fight in front of the building, all fighters must weigh in before pools Addendum: All participants are required to be over the age of 18 to enter the tournament. Addendum: Capcom will now randomly select one winner from all entrants and no one will fight anyone, in game or otherwise.

@Tom531Cat

5 жыл бұрын

Chrono Triggerhappy That last Addendum... 🤣

@doombybbr

5 жыл бұрын

The mice would have been banned due to certain mice having additional buttons. So everyone would need to use a specific make.

@ahzekahriman5840

4 жыл бұрын

"How Capcom edged out the UFC for the largest MMA tournament: a Documentary"

@DrkStmpunkr

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds like RNJesus bullshit

@mike_yarddogg

Жыл бұрын

Whew...! Thank goodness for that last addendum. My chances to win FGC tournament have now been, what, quadrupled now?

Be a real man, use a DDR pad for Fighting games.

@heidelfortuny5496

5 жыл бұрын

Lukas Peruzovic ddr pad is the only way to play a game right so I agree all the way

@kevtlee08

5 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m talking about right there

@Walamonga1313

5 жыл бұрын

Nah man, use a rockband drum kit

@LittlePlant888

4 жыл бұрын

Donkey Konga drums only

@tbert325

4 жыл бұрын

Use a steering wheel combo if you a real G

There is a video on Daigo explaining his Gafrobox setup and funnily enough he tells that he actually has 3 up buttons in his setup :kek:

@MrSujano

5 жыл бұрын

Someone showed me that! I linked the video in the pinned comments

@rxraider4778

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah he knows what he was doing

@gurkiratsingh8747

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrSujano no comments are pinned, you're just liking them i.e. no priority comments shows at the top of the comment section.

Daigo gets an hitbox. Realizing that the input priority would make him more powerful, people cried wolf to get it banned

@pewpin1039

4 жыл бұрын

@The Big Game Theory He said nothing about PS4 vs daigos controller. He is right tho, all contestants should have a level playing field, which means standardized controllers. This just means that in addition to the now banned controller, people using the PS4 one have an actual advantage over people who don't use them. Is that ok? Or is your stance on that just buy one as well?

@bruh1704

4 жыл бұрын

I think people should be allowed to bring a modded controller as long as it follows the rules because conforming players to the same controller may not allow them to play to their best abilities. In smash ultimate most players on competitive will play with a game cube controller because it’s comfortable for them and it has a little less input lag. If we forced everyone to play on pro controller, we instantly see that players muscle memory go to shit as they can’t make the frame tight inputs needed to tech a hit or parry. They should just have a more defined rule set for modding the controllers.

@G0Crazy1

4 жыл бұрын

Frax the majority by a large margin of players uses pad imagine wanting pads banned

2:13 The real reason it got banned.

If you've seen any of his streams hes been going ham learning his new stix, I watched him spend 20 mins counting frames on a fwd dash.

@brogoram

4 жыл бұрын

u mean this guy or daigo?

@mrevilducky

4 жыл бұрын

He means Daigo

i was not aware of the cleaning this was a very informative video thanks!

i dont play fighting games but i found this interesting... youtube at it again, knowing what i like before i even know

@carlospitteri3146

5 жыл бұрын

You would live core-a videos as well, I recommend him

@kingace1713

5 жыл бұрын

Jessica Blurg what type of games are you into?

@meyedraven6039

5 жыл бұрын

@@kingace1713 all kinds really, was mostly into single player before i got a pc. Now i pretty much just play online multiplayer games. OW, For Honor, Rust.

The game engine should handle SOCD not the controller. So long as a controller is not using macros I don't see a problem. I get wrist ache using an arcade stick so I'd like to get a hitbox eventually.

@Ironraven24

5 жыл бұрын

most games do. the problem is in SFV The socd is whatever button you pressed last, this allows for OSes with SOCD inputs. in other games like guilty gear or UNIST, the socd defaults to neutral when you have multiple buttons pressed. this means that you dont have any oses that a joystick player wouldnt have. there is also the problem that sfv has a bunch of really silly special shortcuts, like f, df, f for dp when most other games require that a z (dp) complete down input before the fwd at the end

The reason why Inital T's racing wheel isn't banned is because people see it as a handicap for it being unorthodox.

@SasoSasori-

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah someone busted out a custom guitar hero for a GG tournament

@ubermaster1

5 жыл бұрын

@@SasoSasori- That's hilarious an oddly fitting for GG

@schmoopDJ

4 жыл бұрын

steering wouldn’t input anything so in reality he’s just playing on a funky pad

@XionicalXionical

4 жыл бұрын

@@schmoopDJ ?

@schmoopDJ

4 жыл бұрын

Xionical turning left and right on the steering wheel doesn’t do anything in a fighting game, so in theory he’s just using a funky looking ps4 controller for jokes. core A gaming made a while video on him using the controller

Cool! Your video came up on my stream and I’m so happy it did. Very interesting stuff! Definitely worth a sub! Also, glad to see all the views it’s generating!

That man said “if you didn’t like the video, leave a like “ 😂

And?..... they banned me for using a 2001 logitech keyboard

@thedemoman1813

5 жыл бұрын

You deserved it then 🤣

@neminemii6366

5 жыл бұрын

Keyboard bans are understandable. People can easily use macros on them.

@bland9876

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know what the difference is between a keyboard and an arcade stick minus the stick part I mean the buttons are actually closer together making it more comfortable than an arcade sticks

@neminemii6366

5 жыл бұрын

@@bland9876 that's the thing, I've played on both and man oh man they keyboard sure feels way easy. Also macros can be set on keyboard which is obviously cheating

@Ironraven24

5 жыл бұрын

@@neminemii6366 its not very hard to vet a keyboard user and discover if they are using some sort of macro and from your line of argument 8 face buttons should be banned bc people can use them for different actions such as movement or a combination of buttons

Daigo too OP *_PLEASE NERFFF_* *capcom* _I gotcha fam_

@timscheuermann2554

5 жыл бұрын

when was the last time he won anything?

@jinfrozenfire

5 жыл бұрын

Some random guy right here is a total bandwagon. He doesn't even know how extraordinary Daigo is

@timscheuermann2554

5 жыл бұрын

@@jinfrozenfire Yeah not a band wagon anything. Daigo sucks at sf5. He doesnt win anymore. Dont care how good he was at third strike or sf4. He cant hang anymore. WOMP womp yuou 09'er

@abrakadabra6450

4 жыл бұрын

@@octaviogonzalez8794 exactly my thoughts. Thank you for both your gorgeous magnificent Logic and spirit 🙏❤ Respect

@Hunnjin

4 жыл бұрын

@@timscheuermann2554 Booooo

Thank you sir for explaining such weird controversy.

MvC3 patched it's left right block problem before UMvC3 came out.

NuckleDu uses the boom charge with 2 sticks on DS4. It makes no sense to ban Daigo’s box.

@svnbit8408

4 жыл бұрын

What the hell is a nuckledu? Nuckle dont

@guilhermecaiado5384

3 жыл бұрын

ds4 is the same as DS$. the debate is not hitboxes not alowed, neither no 2 of the same imput. But custom made vs arcade controller manufacturers lobby.

The stick on a dull shock is no where near as precise as the buttons on a hitbox. The dullshock stick also has trouble returning to neutral. It likes to bounce past which creates extra inputs.

No excessive intro and straight to the point. Liked and subed, ty

This is a really well put together and informative video.

Can they use the Kinect to play fighting games?

@doombybbr

5 жыл бұрын

It is unresponsive and easily interfered with by the opponent, also it is easy for the opponent to read.

@Bryce_C.

5 жыл бұрын

NewYorkBlack its the only way I play fighting games

@classactioninc

5 жыл бұрын

@@doombybbr r/wooosh

@bulldozer8950

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer a wii rifle.

9 minute video for 3 1/2 minutes of content. Still got what I needed out of it though, thanks.

Imma start pulling up with the GameCube keyboard controller to see what Capcom gotta say about that

@whimzycloud

5 жыл бұрын

We find out gc controller has negative input lag

Daigo knows exactly what he's doing with that setup.

@guilhermecaiado5384

3 жыл бұрын

Igniting a custom made arcade controllers debate. It was not banned for being a hitbox, if it was all others would be banned. Its was not banned for having several inputs. It was banned for being custom made. It happens all the time, only this was a famous player.

In his stream Daigo was talking about how he was preparing for the ban and practicing stick, he’ll probably do ok

@josefernandez4423

5 жыл бұрын

he said he would consider using a pad. he feels that he can't improve anymore using the stick. his experience with the hitbox revitalized him.

@HATL201

5 жыл бұрын

@@josefernandez4423 Hi man, I'm a Tekken player so I don't know much about why controller, especially hitbox is so significant for him. And as you said that Daigo said he would consider pad. Can you please explain a bit why is stick not suitable for him? What's the limitation in stick? What can you do in Street Fighter that can't be done , or is very hard to perform on a stick as compared to a pad or hitbox. Thanks

@zakki9491

5 жыл бұрын

@@HATL201 this hitbox would allow instant dashes and faster charges of some moves. It at the same time would skip neutral when going from left to right. The inputs are more instant too as an arcade stick requires logically more movement. Daigo will still be fine tho since he's been using arcade sticks for decades now

@HATL201

5 жыл бұрын

@@zakki9491 Alright thanks a lot for explaining man :)

@daschewie

5 жыл бұрын

@@HATL201 Economy of Motion. Using a stick requires arm motion, which is slower than fingers.

This was about removing Diago and nothing more. The guy complaining the most was using a PS4 controller.

Is the difference between some one holding left then lifting their finger and hitting right with their other finger that much bigger than Last win SOCD?

A bit of a correction on hitboxes being able to block in both ways in Marvel vs Capcom. If you have a typical custom hitbox where you just wire the D-Pad to four buttons and press both left and right you will get the "last win" behavior on everything as far back as PS2 (in my experience of building them), perhaps even further. The ability to block in both directions comes to wiring one direction to the D-Pad and the other direction to the analog stick. This is not only something the controllers can do, but I'll say it's something that they can do better than a hitbox. This is because if (for example) you choose to wire your right button to analog right, and the rest of your buttons to everything else, you then loose the ability to throw fireballs or dragon punches in the right direction. You would need extra buttons (like on Daigo's stick) to effectively block in both directions. I'll also comment that in my opinion SODC (what I refer to as Simultaneous Opposing Direction Cancels, not cleaning) is effectively worthless. There's not a single fighter on PC with native PC controls that I know of which behaves that way. It's because it's a bad experience and does not behave the way a player will expect it to behave. The "last winner" behavior is the way to go and is essential for these controls to remain competitive (not give a competitive advantage) with other controllers. As a long time keyboard (hitbox) player this is something I hope the community gets over soon. Especially considering the Official Xbox Elite controller, which I think most people would accept as official legal, is able to perform all these techniques even easier than a hitbox or keyboard; and again I'll mention is the exact behavior developer choose to officially support in the PC versions of their games. I'll even insist they choose to officially support in the console versions because as you mention you can do this on a controller anyway (just not ergonomically convenient, except with the elite controller).

This is ridiculous how people make a big deal about a hitbox so it doesn't have a socd cleaner neither do stock ps4 controllers nuckledu has been doing this on pad for years and no one cares.

@ninjapandathethird6241

5 жыл бұрын

He is not daigo though

@channelofstuff6662

5 жыл бұрын

excuses, if they really want to bitch make everyone use the standard console controller.

@Hiken_Bakuzan

5 жыл бұрын

@@ninjapandathethird6241 "being daigo" has shit to do with it Daigo said himself that he had 3 "UP" keys on his Gafrobox, along with another key macro'd to V-Trigger i really dont understand why people keep praising Daigo for "getting a controller banned just for being Daigo" Hitboxes are pretty much fancy keyboards when it comes to the key speed and such, but the Gafrobox specifically, is cheating shit

@gxgycf8348

5 жыл бұрын

So because daigo is daigo he gets special restrictions placed on him? Bullshit if you ask me

@bunnymangler2871

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly people just got scared of daigo

They should just add a “socd cleaner” before the usb input.

I think everyone should use the exact same standard joystick

I've been using this tech since sf4 on pc keyboard......

@sky_shu

5 жыл бұрын

The issue was most people in tournaments werent playing on keyboard for tournaments. Hit box got popular so alot of the issues surrounding opposing inputs have started to show up

@Brynhildrify

5 жыл бұрын

and still an online warrior 🤣

@eliebouzeid7062

5 жыл бұрын

@@Brynhildrify Nope, i only play vs AI

@stylesheetra9411

5 жыл бұрын

@enzo gabriel not really , they arent ergonomic enough

When a beast uses this controller thats when we have problems.

@Ironraven24

5 жыл бұрын

no the problem is misinformation and misunderstanding how these things function and daigo is just proving that no one understands how this works by using it lol also notice how this is only a problem with SFV and not any other fighting game

You related to Zach Galifianakis by any chance?

I was gonna comment about the dualshock 4. Good think you brought it up!

It wasn't his Hitbox that was banned, but his Gafrobox. That hitbox in the picture is the one he actually used on the tournament, that hitbox (the company) give to him afterwards.

@ShadowsBehindU

5 жыл бұрын

He played on his te2 afair

I had no idea about this happening but I’m interested

i'm going to the next tournament using a kinect. Wish me luck.

@bulldozer8950

4 жыл бұрын

I’ll join you with my wii rifle

But arent the pro controllers with the back buttons that can be remapped to anything able do this? And those are allowed.

@sergioontiveros4984

5 жыл бұрын

They aren't? But aren't specifically targeted to pro gamers?

@Chunginitup

5 жыл бұрын

They’re specifically targeted for people with inflated egos who think they should be going pro, but their hardware’s dragging them down.

@devonmorgenstern6906

5 жыл бұрын

@@sergioontiveros4984 FPS games mostly, but anyone can tell you skill takes precedent over all

@TheDsRequiem

5 жыл бұрын

@@sergioontiveros4984 hardware is not equal to skill

@sergioontiveros4984

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheDsRequiem i never said it was i just said its possible.

Awesome video. A really in-depth explanation (At least for someone who is not experienced in competitive level) to understand the whole Daigo-Hitbox fuss.. Thank you, dude!

You actually can push left and right at the same time on a pad too tho, if you play claw you can push the stick one way and the d-pad another ?

@PaulDaHeadBanger

5 жыл бұрын

On the switch Joy con yeah. But the dualshock Xbox controller and most actual dpad controllers won't work because a dpad is one piece if you push left the right button goes up if that makes sense.

@prod.bycharlesanthony8764

5 жыл бұрын

Paul The Pertifier I dont think you get what I mean. Say you push the joy stick left your character goes left, you push your dpad right you go right. You push them both at the same time and boom🤯 I actually do it all the time to super t bag lol

@killaaks6165

5 жыл бұрын

@@PaulDaHeadBanger at 7:30 he explains you can do the same thing with a regular controller

I remember when arcade tournaments were done with the standard controls on the cabinet. These days it seems like anyone can bring a controller box in the design of vomit as long as it is approved. Either not ban anything or supply a standard arcade stick and/or standard gamepad.

@StReborn311

4 жыл бұрын

Hey this guy gets it (imho). I have played in tournaments on actual arcade cabs standing shoulder to shoulder with my opponent on genuine arcade hardware. Fair playing field. If the arcade machine does not have button bound to dash, three forwards, four extra punch buttons, five extra kicks, two ups, 3k, 3p and a half dozen other macros- how about players play on the same hardware like those Vewlix cabinets? That is a level playing field, we can send a get-well card to those that practiced for a year with the Power-Glove and Guitar-Hero controllers. side note= I'd be fine if Capcom official cabinet had hitbox style set up instead of a stick- would shake things up a bit and perhaps calm people down. I doubt they would put several extra forwards, backs and kicks on an official machine. Happy Gaming!

I wouldn't ban the hitbox. He still has to presses buttons. If the hitbox had automated inputs, that'd be cheating. But, having more button options, may be an advantage, but no one is limited from getting one themselves. I'd legalize it.

@phillipkosarev5565

4 жыл бұрын

My perspective exactly. Macros are definitely cheating. Having more button options is an advantage, and anyone can customize their hitbox to have them just like the Gafrobox in question. So TBH, anyone can make this monstrosity to use haha... Legal? Yes. Shady? Somewhat.

What about keyboard? I play fighting game on keyby and its really easy to play charge characters on kb... Specially on 3rd strike I can perry than quickly go for a sholder tackle...

@bambangsudirman6063

5 жыл бұрын

No one uses keyboard in competition,thats why it was overlooked

@jetstreamafif1787

5 жыл бұрын

There is player called Keyboard freddy...He is a professional kb player...uses modded keyboard...

@leodf1

5 жыл бұрын

You can pretty much use anything (without automated assistance like macros/turbo) so long as you're not a famous personality and don't ask in advance.

Daigo plays guile. You can keep charging booms while throwing a boom with this setup which is probably why it was banned. The only weird thing is you can do this on a DualShock as well..

@PegimampooS

5 жыл бұрын

Because their names are not DAIGO.

@dustinjames1268

4 жыл бұрын

@@PegimampooS In other words "I'm afraid of daigo and have no interest in actual fairness" That's all I needed to know about your position

😂😂😂😂😂 Daigo bringing hit box to ultra instinct levels

@zakki9491

5 жыл бұрын

That type of hitbox has been around for years now with the player Gafro creating them. Daigo just got one of his to try it out

You probably could do the same with the wheel, the steering wheel controller isn't really turned mid-game because it'd be a bit hard to control precisely, but the thing is played using the D-pad and buttons, so you could hold left, turn the wheel right, and then let go of the button if you really wanted to and it'd probably be way easier to do than it would be on a standard PS controller.

Mixbox has an option to switch from SOCD cleaning to SOCD last win. But I think the reason for banning Diago's Gafrobox is not strong enough to warrant a ban since you already mentioned about the DS4 having an extra directional analogue stick.

I dont think this would be an issue if guile was not daigo's main...if he used zangief or even ryu for example then his hit box will be less effective which would not lead to a ban....Daigo is a superb street fighter player....but he became one of the worlds best players with guile....his moves are very charge heavy which maximizes the abilities of this hitbox and puts other players at a disadvantage....its not fair to ban someone who has figured out how to maximize his/her character

@goshu7009

3 жыл бұрын

No, thats not true. Life is not fair and people use their brain for advantage. Should we ban smart people?

nothing should be banned, we should be exploring this as far as we can.

@dannycrow9742

5 жыл бұрын

Fuu Chan then ill use a modded automatic wave dash perfect imput controller then

@PhirstPlays

5 жыл бұрын

@@killaken2000 im not sure the rules are posted anywhere. I am pretty sure there is a set standard of rules and venues are allowed to add to them as long as it doesnt deplete the spirit of the game(so to say) i feel that games should have different divisions. there should be modded competition. even competition involving macros. we already know we can restrict things to a point to get a relatively even competition, why have we never explored the other direction? remember when street fighter was first modded to rainbow edition, it is a lot of the reason street fighter is what it is now. This should happen to all games. We should stop limiting ourselves and find where a slightly controlled creativity will take us.

@liamharper465

5 жыл бұрын

@@PhirstPlays I want a division were 2 ppl program an AI and they go head to head. The only rule is no input reading, not that that would be possible with an external AI at a tournament. Whoever ToDs the other AI first wins.

Great explanation. And it makes a lot of sense. My 2 cents: what’s next? Testing players for dipping? Come on it’s a game. If they are worried than make it standard to all players at tournaments to use the same stick, hit box, controller. Problem solved

Have urgent questions! Is Turbo function permitted? Most of the PC fight controller like Hori has Turbo. Is it OK to bring it to tournaments? Also can I use a controller with 4 shoulder LRs and 6 face buttons and mapped fully all the buttons in the top? Is it legal? Thanks for answering!

Arcade sticks with no sticks? The modern marvels of gaming.

This should be solved by the devs in their software. If you can "cheat" the game using a different controller, I consider this to be an issue the devs overlooked.

@TheGameCave1

5 жыл бұрын

Guilherme Rubio not a dev issue when the hardware is released after the software

@Walamonga1313

5 жыл бұрын

"It's the dev's fault that people can use other controllers" lol

@gcavrubio

5 жыл бұрын

@@Walamonga1313 at least in this case, it is a matter of how the game reads opposite directional commands. There may be a case that will contradict my statement, but I believe it is valid for this matter

@ahzekahriman5840

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Imagine if FPS games did not properly code their reload and firing so you could fire and reload and throw a grenade at the same time. Poor coding. Capcom has been doing that for years and no one seems to remember.

@salvatronprime9882

3 жыл бұрын

Came here to say this. The software is the final arbiter. Patch the game and problem is solved.

Great job explaining the hitbox situation!

Why does SODC cleaning default to neutral when left and right are both being pressed? What advantages does that have over defaulting to the most recent input instead?

This is one of the reasons hitboxes got popular. Some people, including me, just assumed "so good it gets banned at tournaments"

If this can be done on a legal controller then it should be allowed on the hitbox as well.

@PegimampooS

5 жыл бұрын

You can use hitbox just fine, unless your name is Daigo. Its like nba banned dunk for kareem jabbar..

thanks for the info bro. straight up. mad love

well done on this, concise clear & informative

😂😂😂😂😂 Whole situation summarized Everyone - hit box is broken Daigo - hold my gafrobox Everyone - he's cheating

@tokyopinokyo

5 жыл бұрын

mythical orange don’t forget about DualShock

@platinumorange1034

5 жыл бұрын

@@tokyopinokyo are dual shocks that op

@elijahbrown7080

5 жыл бұрын

@@platinumorange1034 they can do the same

This video is great and very informative (if played on 1.25 speed).

@KindKraken

5 жыл бұрын

2x speed

Great vid dude. Thanks for the knowledge!

Nice video. I’ve been playing video games since pong. I didn’t know they had a term for that. Has anyone said that you look like Shaemus from WWE wrestling?

So do we ban keybords to? I dont get the issue and i use a normal tekken 7 fight stick.

@SolidSkewt

5 жыл бұрын

Better to say do we can keyboard layouts using a keyboard has to much delay unless the adapter is godliek

Wow, I never thought of using a DS4 controller in that way. Now I can abuse that on my brothers. :)

This is very interesting.. I remember back in the day when we used play mvc2 and cvs some people used to complain when someone came with a mass system 360 arcade sticks.. The reason behind it was you could execute easier infinites, wave dash, cancels etc... But lot of people never knew how awkward it felt when you play with those sticks

Hideous? That’s perhaps the coolest hitbox I’ve seen in my life! The white hitbox looks clean and neat for noobies and beginners but his looks like what a final boss would use. Dayyum wish i have one! Still love your videos dude. It’s clear and easy to understand

Don't people also enter with keyboards?

Uh, thought the whole reason to have arcade sticks was so you could have a real arcade joystick like we had playing the SF games back in the 90's at arcades

@danielbenitez4120

5 жыл бұрын

Not whem moneys on the line

Very informative and interesting video I am not such a fighting game enthusiast the last time that I really enjoyed a fighting game was Tekken 3 on the PS2 I played that game a lot.I really like your video but what amazes me that in those sponsored fighting tournaments that there are apparently no strict rules what is acceptable or not in using different joysticks/software I think it’s simply solved by the rule that tournament players have to use all the same controllers provided by the sponsors of the tournament so there is no one that have a unfair advantage.

I love the idea of hitboxes. And I always said If/when I build one it would need an extra up input. (thumb button + wsad directional layout) AND last wind SOCD. I see no problem with daigo's hitbox at all. Plus all my recent tweets about enforcability of these bans. Banning the hitbox doesn't make sense. I do find it interesting that you say the DS4 uses last wind SOCD, because IIRC Xbox360 HD Remix and PS3 HD Remix, you could 100% do walk forward booms with their official pad controllers....

Why not just allow two sticks for a stick player?

He was definitely pushing his luck with that insane hitbox.. but let's be honest, this whole thing is only being talked about cuz it was Daigo. I personally really like hitboxes, and at least with the standard layout ones it's only one button per input, only 4 directional buttons and not like 4 up buttons or something, and proper SOCD cleaning too. That makes it more standardized and acceptable, but people will hate no matter what, even the people who've never used hitbox style controllers.

@broobclop2355

5 жыл бұрын

pad can literaly do the same stuff.

@DUpGaming

5 жыл бұрын

He said on his own stream that he did it to force TOs to clear up the murky rules atm.

@GarethXL

5 жыл бұрын

it's not because of daigo but rather the fact that the TO, this came into attention to the FGC as a whole because capcom normally doesn't have clear cut rules for gafro box, this whole thing caught attention mainly with Tekken TO and players trashing how a major allows the gafro box to be legal since alot of Tekken TO doesn't allowed a late cleaning box because of the extreamly unfair advantage it gives to mishima players since it literally makes the difficult execution of EWGF into a joke. as for arguments of it's the same as pad, as far as i know you can't plink direction and OSs on a pad. at least not consistently afaik. we might as well allowed macros if that's the case since hey since that's just a step up from turbo controllers.

I learned something new today. I had no idea what hit boxes are and modded controllers being used in tournaments.

You speak very clearly and explain everything well. Consider me subcribed!

I have never seen this kind of controller before, but I don't see how it is much different from a keyboard.

@burgerking8157

5 жыл бұрын

Bigger buttons with more unique placement is easier for most aracade Stick players to transition to. Keyboard is actually a really powerful controller in its own right. I don't see a reason to ban it in comparison, if that's what you mean

The craziest part of this is that Daigo actually used something other than an arcade stick

Just wondering, what board supports 4 extra buttons? Did he daisy chain buttons to the board?

Wait why can you not already hit left and right at the same time on a hitbox if they are already in button form? you don't need two sets of left and right to do that

@misantrope6267

5 жыл бұрын

Left + right does nothing

8:40 "If you liked the video, leave a like, if you didn't like the video leave a like" I guess there is only one thing I can do, then.

*I clicked to see if it was anything different from the issue many years ago. But it's the same thing. "able to block both ways with some devices".* ✅😲

@rafaelmalagon7950

3 жыл бұрын

Nice to know you are interested in this kind of things, hope you're fine!

What's that stick at like 1:15 to 1:30? New to this looking to buy a good, cool looking one like that

also having 2 of the same directional buttons means you could easily do dashes and fades steps. as opposed to double tapping the same directional button which could sometimes miss

but... *CAN YOU USE A GUITAR TO PLAY!?*

@TerdSmasher303

5 жыл бұрын

You can find people using guitar hero controllers in fighting games. Believing in the heart of the cards will get you far

I think these tournaments just need to use their own controllers and just give multiple choises for competitors.

@Jesse110

3 жыл бұрын

People get used to the controller they are practicing with. Even things like how it has worn out can impact you slightly.

Didn't even know this was an issue until I saw this today. Thanks for all this great info... Now I can casually name-drop 'SOCD' and sound like a proper FGC boss. 😂

Very cool video thanks for the great information!

What's shocking to me about all this is that there's a man alive with the balls to tell Daigo he can't do something.

SOCD cleaning?? I’ve only heard of OCD cleaning.

@micoromico

5 жыл бұрын

The S stands for 'super'

Never knew that there's are buttons version of directional for the arcade controller. Looks really practical for fighting game.

incredible video. very well explained how and why its an issue