The Real Story Behind ATF's Deadly Gunrunning Scandal 'Operation Fast & Furious' I IRONCLAD
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Today Vince takes a deep dive into the fast and furious gun-running scandal with guest Pete Forcelli.
He is widely known as a whistleblower for the Operation Fast and Furious scandal and wrote the book The Deadly Path: How Operation Fast & Furious and Bad Lawyers Armed Mexican Cartels Pete served for 15 years with the N.Y.P.D prior to joining the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, where he retired as d Deputy Assistant Director.
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“What they did was terrible, I tried to fix it, I was threatened”… continues working for the ATF for another 10 years. THEN writes a book and tries to portray himself as a hero/victim?! This man has the moral character of a used car salesman. What a joke. Dude is a POS.
@kochj0713
4 күн бұрын
So you mean everybody that has a thread of dignity or a thread of patriotism should just leave because they see something bad and then all you have left = communist that have no trouble firing on US citizens?
Dude stays with the agency for 20yrs after F&F…all you need to know.
@invictusbp1prop143
5 күн бұрын
BTW. It hasn't even been 20 years since the F&F/gun walking operation and scandal. Jus sayin...
@mcfivedad
5 күн бұрын
@@invictusbp1prop143 indeed, only 18yrs since the start of it.
@kochj0713
4 күн бұрын
Well, in the case of good versus evil if you take and remove all good people from the government then what is left I believe that’s evil so you gotta have people staying even though evil is around
Lovely, prime example of " our government wouldn't do that!?"
ATF needs to go away.
@matthewpamatian4853
27 күн бұрын
But the American gov. should stay. Cos it's only just the illegal 4th branch of government.. not the rest of it who created and implemented the unconstitutional administrative state.
ATF is doing just a bad, if not worse, today. I see no reason for BATFE to continue to exist. We have US Marshall’s to handle federal issues, and for now the FBI, but I feel that the FBI should go away, or be diminished to a very specific and small force.
@user-hu8we3ii7k
17 күн бұрын
Have you ever looked into how the ATF came to be? It was originally a branch of what became the IRS. It's kind of an interesting and eye opening look at bureaucratic expansionism and governmental mission creep.
@NoStepOnNeck
14 күн бұрын
@@user-hu8we3ii7kthats the downfall of the north winning the civil war. Federal government’s power grew.
@user-yo5jx1kd4z
13 күн бұрын
You are a pollyanna if you don't know organized crime and munitions for terror won't flood the country without specialized investigation and enforcement forces. This isn't 1812. Battles aren't by militias firing from behind cotton bails. And now we're adding a much newsws Space Force and Cyber command. Because it's not 1940.
Now we learn our own "representatives" work with the cartel.
Anyone who wants to go work for the ATF is already suspicious!
You didn’t even read the man’s book before bringing him on. I checked out after that one 😂
@seththebeatmxchine
2 күн бұрын
Yeah i thought that was a bad look too. This one wasn't great
Fast and furious never ended operation just changed names.I had intel as far back as 2008. This was going on, and as recent as 2023.The name of the game is control and the cartels are most definitely in the pocket as they say.
My family vacationed in Puerto Vallarta during the last week of March 1993, where a shootout occurred the prior November at the Christine Nightclub. Sinaloa Cartel gunmen, disguised as police, massacred Tijuana Cartel members and partygoers. We arrived shortly after, and if you hadn’t known about the incident, you never would have guessed anything from how the locals acted. This incident sparked the all-out war between the cartels
@James_Edward59
27 күн бұрын
They went to kill or capture the Arellano brothers because it was Benjamin’s birthday party and Chapo was there with the Sinaloan crew that went to capture them. They actually did capture one of the brothers and the other got away even though they let him go later on.
@sweetla4750
22 сағат бұрын
Imagine it now
Dude can’t even articulate what an actual straw purchase is.
Awesome guest! Not like the DEA guy that was biased and spewed politics.
@wesman7837
28 күн бұрын
Well, in case you haven't noticed, almost ALL of our alphabet agencies have been politicized, and corrupted to the core! Most of them are so bad they need to be abolished and disbanded! The ATF, FBI, CIA, IRS, DHS, EPA, DOJ, FDA, CDC, NIH, HHS, and I'm sure people can think of several other's like the federal reserve and the TSA that should NEVER have existed in the first place!
I feel like there was si much more information Pete had that he was willing to share. He was so interesting I feel like 45 mins does not do a justice. You definitely should bring him back for a full podcast including his life in NYC aswell.
I am always surprised at the true HEROES you find. Thank you both for your service. QUESTION: I have a question for your guest!!! Who can I notify if a DA's office refuses to do their job by prosecuting an evident murder?( same situation in same place on 48 Hours)
This is a side of the Fast and Furious story I have not heard. This is why I watch this channel.
@joseywales8257
14 күн бұрын
@user-yo5jx1kd4z Unfortunately you still are in the dark, the Fast & Furious the rest of us participated in, in no way resembles what's being said here. The ENTIRE operation was monitored and documented the by the Pentagon. I can go out on a limb and say no Pentagon officials were interviewed for this podcasts. 2,000 guns ??? Yes that many were moved in the first 30 days.
I've listened to this multiple times now. Great interview!
Imagine willingly joining the ATF 😂
@gregd4391
6 күн бұрын
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
🤘🤘🤘 love watching everything you do brother.
I worked in a body shop in port orchard Wa, and personally seen 3 guys using the shop after hours. Hiding guns in the big foam bumpers on dodge mini vans. They would put about 6 long guns in each car. And around 8 pistols if they only did pistols. They would cut the big foam crash bar in half. Set the guns down on one side. Then spray lacquer thinner over them. And wait. It would melt the shape partially. Then dump the guns off and start carving the shapes out. And someone would dip the guns in oil and hang them. Then they would spray oil in ziplock bags. Tape them up and place in the bumper. And use deck screws to put back together and reinstall. They bought every model of that at auction they could. Get them across, and swap plates on same color and return empty. And do it over again. They were probably getting around 120 guns a month across the border. They even started taking hairspray and covering the bumper bolts. And using a electric leaf blower to pump dust to stick
Great interview. Very informative.
@thisisironclad
6 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
The ATF should and abolished. Defund the ATF
Excellent job on whats going on at the border
Defund the atf
want an illegal gun or the best drugs? find an ATF agent.
As a Kid being an FBI or ATF agent was a dream job now as an adult the few times I have had the agencies reach out to recruit all I could do was laugh l, couldn’t say no fast enough the biggest jokes in LE.
This guy was a 1st responder during 911, and then got lung cancer?? U should ask him WHY and HOW did he + thousands others got cancer!!! There were some i journalists who really cared did investigate it at the time.. But was stopped by the powers that be.. and just like he said ATF administrators told not to speak on Fast n Furious, the then mayor of NY city also was ordered to order al thel 1st responders never speak about anything they really encountered at the site on those days...
@vagrantwanderer
17 күн бұрын
the towers had asbestos, unfortunately
As always, its not the guys on the ground actually doing the job, it's the select group of higher-ups making decisions that impact the entire country poorly.
@alefdesign1990
5 күн бұрын
Nah they are responsible for their murderous mafia behavior
Its crazy to even think you would find a firearm after its been used. Why would they leave it next to the body
THIS CASE AND OTHERS LIKE IT MAKE ME think the US attorneys were/are on the payroll of the cartels just like biden's actions on the boarder
@lukeblanch3672
Ай бұрын
They all are on the cartels payroll. The Secretary of State of Arizona, Adrian Fuentes or whatever, was a cartel lawyer or 8 or 9 high profile cases. He got all of them off.
@wesman7837
28 күн бұрын
Right? Or I guess Soros people trying to sow chaos in our country!
@wesman7837
28 күн бұрын
@@lukeblanch3672That's UNBELIEVABLE! He belongs in prison for the rest of his life!
@sweetla4750
22 сағат бұрын
@@wesman7837but yet nothing will done
Isn't it ironic that these same guys sharing this info, don't consider 911 to be an inside job.
That's just crazy no wonder why there's so much trouble
Great epsiode. Pete is s solid dude.
Sorry but this dude is hard to follow.. 🤦🏼♂️
@jetterbuglove
8 күн бұрын
I couldn't follow him either. I am more confused on it all now. I was hoping to understand who did what
23:00 minutes in and I stopped watching!!! SO WHO WAS RHE PROSECUTOR THAT LET THE GRENADE GUY GO?????
Thanks for sharing, I really enjoy this channel and the information it provides.
💰 talks!! 👨🌾
Bio: I was a government thug. Yeah, we get it.
@BigPhilsSaws
Ай бұрын
Yeah no shit.
The citizens United States need to hold that US attorney accountable as y’all know the federal or state will never do it
This interview is incredibly there’s soo much that could get cut up into some KZread short videos especially the judge who just let the dude go WTF WHO APPOINTED THAT CORUPT DICKWAD Also I just got your book bro your a badass 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank heavens their opinions don’t represent the views of Homeland Security (A contradiction in terms). If you want lies, go to a government website or spokesperson.
Tabacco come on guy
@peteforcelli1380
Ай бұрын
Yeah. CJNG and the Sinaloa cartel have each made $4B in tobacco smuggling so far- mostly within Mexico. The Biden Admin is contemplating a combustible nicotine ban, which opens up the door for them to start smuggling tobacco into the USA. America is the land of opportunity, but they seem to only want to afford opportunity to criminals and foreign adversaries these days... Just saying...
Where's coco
What about ghost guns and untraced guns number is way wayy higher
Even asEnglish civvie heard about this operation was awful government work another interesting guest think get his book after urs obviously that’s on order 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Mexico sueing Americans for a Mexican problem lmao ok. I understand we use the world's drug supply, but at some point you need to clean up your own house.
"Its not that bad"
ATF= CARTELS #1 PLUG
the cia was also involved in the disappearance of the 43 mexican students.
This guy is an enemy.
Holy ads!!!!!
He’s not kidding. Canadians can drink.
@alefdesign1990
5 күн бұрын
They can commie well too. Like mandate me harder
Those who were up to their neck in the thick of it, know what dangers were there. They know exactly what its like to be in a room full of people who dont trust you. They know exactly what its like putting gps devices in wooden crates for 8 hours a day. They know what its like to grab a care package to make things work. Bribery, paying off people to get where you needed. small gold coins and us dollars. They know what its like to hide for days in someone's home and pay them for the hospitality. They know what its like to be threatened if seen again. They know what its like to be made and then have to escape an area. They know what its like to photograph people and places. They know what its like to pin coordinates to relay back to your contact. They know what its like to spread false information to start a gun battle between two groups to eliminate control of a certain area. They know what its like to play the game only to be forgotten like nothing ever happened. Many people have their stories and incidents as a result of this operation. But to those who got sucked into it for their skill. A beer raised for you.
I heard they were secretly trying to arm the Sinaloa cartel to get rid of the los zetas which was a much more brutal cartel Sinalo it looked like the good guys compared to them, but they needed more arms and if that’s the case it actually worked because they did get rid of the Los zetas shortly after fast and furious. Also, if you’ll notice almost one of those guns went to Sinaloa cartel members.
Who brings guns north
Realisticly , these high risk special opps should have priority ONE, BEING ON OUR SOIL IN OUR COUNTRY , where those involved have no regard for human lives , these troops need support going into them woods for take downs , if i could be envolved i would have a second group bring up the rear with at least an hour or so time frame behind the first group , go get them lizzards out of the woods ,and out of our country .
Dude has a guilty conscience of what he's done, i respect his coming forward and writing the book, but what else does he know like those gun dealers lives are at risk because of snitching or working with ATF are they dead from Sinaloa cartel?
Lucky #7!!!!
At minute marker 42:55, he stated I guess you can't please do that unless you're guilty of something. That has to be the most bulshit thing I've heard. Because we know law enforcement will still try to entrap an innocent person into saying something so that they can get a conviction so that they can get another check mark in their boxes. If that's the mentality that somebody has that used to work in law enforcement. We know that law enforcement still has that mentality. And that's dangerous
There was straw in texas back then
Why can’t I subscribe to the channel????
At that time Los zetas were monsters and many of they were trained in America by sf. They were gafe members the gulf cartel hired to be there army. But they later broke off. They took down Mexican Blackhawks
Dis chit is almust belebable
Pleading the 5th amendment matters more if youre innocent.
When Biden became President he kept the same border controls in place as President Trump had, but we need a younger President, a moderate conservative who treats women with respect but is able to understand what’s happening everywhere in our country and everywhere in the world. I’m thinking about running simply because I love listening to everyone and helping good ideas come to fruition.
So then that's what's actually taking place why everybody and their grandma and aunts uncles nieces nephews cousins in the kitchen sink is coming over from God knows where and no one is safe not the people coming and not the people trying to find out who the people are that are coming that's interesting, not
Eric Holder......go figure.....Thanks Obama!!!
Yes The ATF was absolutely Complicit in The Death of That Poor Agent. Absolutely Obama
Seems like the straw purchasers would’ve been at fault bc they kno
There are more than enough U.S. citizens straw-buying and smuggling guns south so easily, it would make the ATF blush if it didn’t sound like the plan all along…
Mmmmh, boot leather for breakfast lunch and dinner. ❤
Got all the aspests the was the reason for 911
What I really 😊 Really like about what this great stand your ground leadership guy was when he said, he talked with the new guys coming onto Boarder patrol 😊 It must have been uplifting to a new Boarder guy, after going through the HR Bull crap of Harassment classes, to be one on one with a Law enforcement guy who has been there done that. Talking about Scum bags don't follow Harassment ( or should say how the criminals) use it to there advantages 😊 It makes the new BP officers feel like they have a REAL person on there side. I remember as just a field hand in city PW Being forced this sexual Harassment training by are PW Director. You basically can't hold doors ipen for the someone. Its sexist. And the big blow hard female HR person talking about her Records of destroying people jobs, just because a female crys at being given a job task This same PW Director having sex affairs with weak administration assistant. FIRING the other assistant who exposed this sex affair, both partys were married Anyway this big EGO tripped Director NEVER ever went to any of the meger Field hands training. Finally a Mayor who had a bigger EGO than the Director, forced him out, sadly he went on and polluted another county on other side of are state. They all just play music chairs.
Dude the adds... Unwatchable
The absolute obsession of gun owners to willingly lump themselves in with the violent criminals that the ATF goes after has always been wild to me.
im sure im mexico when they want someone prosecuted they probably call the narcos and tell them to deliver someone to be arrested for whatever case
"a hero only dies the last time his name is mentioned" Ooof. Think I'll be using that in future 🫡