Honestly, the way Ariel began the interview he was pretty much looking to spark an argument.

@Tristenc

7 ай бұрын

That’s what Ariel does, throws subtle jabs to get something going

@ArkusVI

7 ай бұрын

@Tristenc yeah, he legitimately is a weasel. Says some shit and then acts like the victim afterwards.

@adequatequality

7 ай бұрын

He's an entertainer before being a journalist, and Chael was so pressed cuz he didn't get an outcome his way so he's taking his frustration out on Ariel

@cuyxjrplays

7 ай бұрын

True but Cheal took offense to that and didn’t catch Ariel joke or sarcasm from the start imo.

@onlyifyouknew4508

7 ай бұрын

@@adequatequalitythat’s the dumbest take on this argument I’ve ever heard, it’s pretty obvious that Ariel is a straight up weasel I mean he’s been known to do this kinda shit he’s a slimy journalist. You saying he’s a entertainer first then a journalist doesn’t apply because most entertainers don’t act like douchebags for clicks constantly.

Ariel can never just be a cool dude, always takes the chance to be weirdly passive aggressive every chance he gets.

@vangoghsseveredear

7 ай бұрын

Dude D rides certain people so hard, it's cringe af

@ThomasBlaa

7 ай бұрын

Dude calls himself heelwani

@Cultofpersonality09129

7 ай бұрын

@@ThomasBlaaya, he’s net a good heel.

@RunForPeace-hk1cu

7 ай бұрын

@@vangoghsseveredearlike you to DW and the UFC? 😂😂😂😂😂

@ericswag8465

7 ай бұрын

​@@RunForPeace-hk1cuthe fight sold 67,000 ppvs Now what?

Ariel has been known as a passive aggressive instigator since he showed up on the scene more than a decade ago. People keep acting surprised when he ends up in the middle of every beef in MMA. I wonder when people will realize he’s the common denominator.

@RiceCooker-ge2te

7 ай бұрын

That’s literally Wade

@REL-420

7 ай бұрын

​@RiceCooker-ge2te if that's how you feel, then why watch his video and support him??

@boogiesarmiento7364

7 ай бұрын

@@RiceCooker-ge2tewhen has Wade ever been passive aggressive

@TheSakufighter

7 ай бұрын

Ariel thinks tough guy rubs off on you and it doesn’t. Such a punk 🤡

@MimiPipoo

7 ай бұрын

You can't deny he is one of the most entertaining of the MMA media. It was fun to watch and Ariel as always isn't completely wrong or right which makes it interesting.

The worst part of the whole ordeal is that Chael and Ariel used to be both great friends, with Chael even being the only "insider" backing Ariel when the UFC was banning him from everywhere. And Ariel just sacrificed his friendship with him for a few views.

@Lowest_G

7 ай бұрын

He clearly wanted to argue to argue in the beginning Ariel is clowning himself rn.

@AFjwdhfkusdhfkwudf

7 ай бұрын

They are grown men, and both said they are cool with each over

@albertoamoruso7711

7 ай бұрын

@@AFjwdhfkusdhfkwudf I would describe Ariel many things but not a man.

@edsherwook5196

7 ай бұрын

He’s a weasel through and through

Saying "my source is me" is something you never say in an argument

@DCshandle

7 ай бұрын

Fr like when the fbi investigated itself and found no foul play

@LegendaryBilly

7 ай бұрын

@@DCshandlethat happened, more than once

@Ellefsen97

7 ай бұрын

When you’re a journalist, sure you can

@DCshandle

7 ай бұрын

@mattm6200 he’s too embedded with what he reports. Real journalists report. Ariel tryna say “WE proved everyone wrong” bro didn’t do anything. Saying Francis making 10 mill is a W is true but chael saying the Saudi lost money is also true. Bruh Ariel is a literal rat

@captain_malaria

7 ай бұрын

​@mattm6200 oh, is that what we were meant to think by hearing, "it's been reported"? Moron.

Ariel's main character energy takes away from his journalistic integrity

@MrSolcross

7 ай бұрын

But also, if chael is a student of the game, then so is Ariel. He's brash and cocky, just like the fighters he covers. Maybe he knows what he do.

@Big_Stink

7 ай бұрын

@MrSolcross the problem with that is he makes himself on the level of his interview subject. He has to maintain the distinction that he is not a fighter, he is a journalist. He turns it on and off when it suits him

@Marcnshae2011

7 ай бұрын

Both guys cared more about being right, as opposed to hearing each other's points of view.

@myword787

7 ай бұрын

He has no journalistic integrity

@RiceCooker-ge2te

7 ай бұрын

Yet y’all are defending Wade

"Sometimes peace is preferable to being right". Ariel could definitely learn a thing or two from that quote.

@nicholaschristodoulou3821

7 ай бұрын

Bru… If that was the case nobody would watch

@wardogsmokes

7 ай бұрын

​@nicholaschristodoulou3821 wrong! You don't need to be a weasel to get views. There are plenty of sports commentators I can mention..

I think Chael would've probably conceded he was wrong about Francis IF Ariel approached the interview like a friend with journalistic integrity. Instead, Ariel, like a weasle with a vendetta, premeditatively ambushed Chael and attempted to humilate and publicly shame him before having a conversation. Ariel basically started the conversation with 'nanny nanny boo boo'. You can't approach an alpha male like that. Chael's ego flared and he defended positions he most likely would have admitted to being wrong about. Both guys were wrong but Ariel is one manipulative, shady character. I don't blame any pro fighter not wanting to talk to him. Dude always has motives.

@chrisbrovold5888

7 ай бұрын

I hold no reservations on how Ariel approached Chael for 2 reasons. 1. Ariel is just spoon feeding Chael his own medicine. You can’t dish it out and not expect someone to not feed it right back to you. Just because Chael would win in a physical fight against most people he holds a sense of entitlement with how he speaks and acts like he is invulnerable to any verbal attacks. But when he enters into debate that’s Ariel’s octagon. In fact it was cool to see Ariel not back down. Very David and Goliath. 2. I would rather have a friend who calls me out on my B.S. then a friend who just becomes a “yes man”. I want my friends to want me to improve and grow even if that means at times it warrant’s uncomfortable discussions.

@coldtouch

7 ай бұрын

They supposed to be friends , every good friend grills his friend and sometimes fight. Ariael maybe took it top notch that's because probably he respects chaels opinion. and him being right so maybe that led him to this situation...

@bappagone299

7 ай бұрын

​@@chrisbrovold5888yeah your comment is very Bs lmao😂 "call you out on your bs" or bring you onto a public platform, ambush you and try to force you to apoligize? When has cheal ever done that? You say he's getting his own medicine but chael has normal conversations with people and doesn't try to ambush his guests with out of context clips to try and spread a "I'm right so concede" narrative. 1This is not David and Goliath 😂😂😂 this is embarrassing.... Ariel didn't hold his ground, he tried to play mental loopholes to spread his narrative onto someone who's supposed to be his friend, don't believe me? It's clear the moment he said "The standard? Saudi is the new standard.", "IM RIGHT, IM RIGHT" -Like bro this is your friend and not a reporter.... What are you saying rn....😂 2 Also chael was never trying to force his opinion because he was alpha and could beat ariel in a fight😂 Ariel lies, FORCES HIS OPINION on chael and then starts being disrespectful to his freind after he defends himself, which just so happens to be someone he would never speak to like that in person, AND someone who worked in the industry for years AND works with the promoter of the event 😂 Cheal is the last person you should try that bs with, just because ariel had the saudi president on for 45 mins does not mean he is instantly right and gets to do whatever to prove that....damn. Have a conversation, don't pull your friend onto your show in front of thousands and try to get him to apoligize publicly for his opinion on what was going to happen. Just because ariel was right doesn't give him the right to be outright disrespectful to anyone who wasnt.

@semyaza555

7 ай бұрын

@@chrisbrovold5888Total nonsense.

@stoicsavage509

7 ай бұрын

This is anti semitic

Considering the fight did below 100k ppv sales, I have to give it to Chael. He was right all along.

@liamanderson6191

7 ай бұрын

Surely that’s only in America, I know a lot of people watched it over here even in UK though originally we didn’t want to

@gemknight2193

7 ай бұрын

To be fair, Ariel’s point was not whether the fight sold high numbers it was if Francis won by being paid big money.

@aidanthomas2510

7 ай бұрын

It pains me that it did too because that is going to feed into the argument of the likes of Dana. Jones vs Francis would have done way more, let's state that off the bat. However, Francis to me still made the right move. Because even if that $8-10 mil figure for the Jones fight was right, that would likely have been the only time he made that. So should he keep boxing, which I have no reason to think he won't, he'll almost certainly make more than he ever would have made in the UFC. The other thing I have to admit I admire, is that he said on JRE that he negotiated a minimum amount that his opponents would make into his PFL contract. Plus, as doomed as his healthcare and sponsorships arguments probably were, again I have to admit I admire the fact that he's at least raising them because as much as I love the UFC, I have to say they've taken as much money from the fighters as they possibly can (the sponsorships was a great example and Francis wasn't the only one to say that), and the fact that they don't get healthcare given how dangerous what they do is, is criminal honestly. You might agree or you might not, but I love that Francis was willing to bet it all for this and I hope it inspires other fighters to do the same.

@freendysinaga9762

7 ай бұрын

yeah barely.. he's just technically right. this sonnen guy's voice is so irritating and he doesn't look like the smartest guy. how is he so popular 😆?

@PMraz-ev5gg

7 ай бұрын

@@aidanthomas2510 realistically speaking the only reason he made $10 million was because it was given to him from the Saudis. Going forward and promoters taking in account of the flop, I am not to sure if Francis makes that number again unless it's under another Saudi event. Time will tell if Francis actually made the correct move. But I wish nothing but the best for him, he deserves it!

The giveaway here is the sheer glee and excited way he intentionally tried to set up a friend at the beginning to attempt to make himself look superior. That was Aerial's true self - manipulating, opportunistic and happy to embarrass someone coming on his show in a dishonest way but framed to intentionally highlight himself and make a friend look weak. Aerial is classless and dishonest while claiming to be authentic, brave and even the victim when it suits him. I remember when he turned on Gina Carano when it became the popular thing to do even though she had always been kind to him. The punk is snake.

Sad to see a genuine friendship seemingly fall apart live. Like both guys and both made good points but Ariel starting the interview the way he did was pretty selfish. Chael definitely tried to keep it respectful until he dropped the ESPN part 😂

@wikkyyy6927

7 ай бұрын

Not even proper mates ya weasel

@JosephTongret

7 ай бұрын

There is never a genuine friendship between Ariel Helwani and another human being. The type of person Ariel has proven himself to be does not have the ability to be a friend to anyone.

@lukaslorenc

7 ай бұрын

I think there is mutual respect and maybe a growing friendly/work relationship between them... I think that this is just really heated debate, nothing what either of them had not experienced before. They will be fine.

@williamboyle8918

7 ай бұрын

U guys believe this is a real beef ? Lmfao

@PicaPauDiablo1

7 ай бұрын

​@@williamboyle8918thank you. They are closed and they both played the beef drama

How Wade can say Ariel's genuine is beyond me. Ariel is as disingenuous as can be.

@rais6036

7 ай бұрын

I like Wade but he does some dumb things man

@user-pv8sp5bk7n

7 ай бұрын

@@rais6036You gotta give Wade a little leeway. Him and Ariel are forming connections, it would be bad for Wade to possibly burn a bridge and go all out of Ariel, and possibly the same towards chael. i think there’s more that wade wanted to say, but he kept some of it to himself, which is the smart move

@will.42069

7 ай бұрын

Ariel is somehow well respected so you have to lick his boots a little

@Ignornaceisntbliss

7 ай бұрын

@@user-pv8sp5bk7n He didn't have to diss Ariel, but calling him genuine is a bit too much.

@bball5104

7 ай бұрын

I gotta give wade some record credit, he actually knows him - we’re just viewers

Ariel's 10-20m didn't age well. Has the nerve to call himself the source in front of a guy that works for the distribution company, then as a "journalist" tries to intimidate Chael to give his source. lol.

@will.42069

7 ай бұрын

Chael wanted to say the number so badly

@johnjackson8740

7 ай бұрын

Not sure where your going with this completely, I mean he is a source regardless if he’s correct or not?

@jacobmcdermott55

7 ай бұрын

@@johnjackson8740 Hahahaha that's not how that works. You can't cite yourself ESPECIALLY if you're not actually right, that's misinformation

@johnjackson8740

7 ай бұрын

@@jacobmcdermott55”a place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained.” Looks like ur wrong.

@jacobmcdermott55

7 ай бұрын

@@johnjackson8740 This isn't about the literal definition of the word source. Like the source of a lake. This is within the context of journalism. Are you stupid John?

Ariel and chael both made solid points but Ariel’s wormy and weasel ways Cost him so 10-9 chael

@retrac3147

7 ай бұрын

Eh I don’t know, the first round the knock down made it a 10-8 ariel in my book. The following rounds I think chael changed up his game plan which helped him a lot. Close one to judge for sure.

@HelloThisIsMyStory

7 ай бұрын

How did Ariel move like a weasel am I missing something here Kind off looked like Ariel started saying Chael got it wrong but Chael took it so personal ifk why

Chael said a million times “today needs to be about Francis being celebrated as a competitor” indicating to Ariel bragging talking about the business of the event being top level is dead wrong.

In hindsight, the numbers came out and the ppv literally did bomb... Genius Chael strikes again 😂

@wedontagelikemilktho.7839

7 ай бұрын

But Francis still didn’t fumble the bag.😂

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

​@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839it's crazy 😂 no Saudi event has made profit but they are using the Saudi event not making profit to discredit Ngannou.

@nounalmonds408

7 ай бұрын

Undisputed. Never lost a round

@bulletproof1581

7 ай бұрын

It's not a Genius move lol, someone who doesn't watch boxing or MMA AT ALL could tell you the exact same thing. Francis isn't a professional boxer, and he's facing a top 3 boxer, so it was logical for people to think that his chances of winning were low, also Fury has been piss assing around and pissing fans off for years, so it would be stupid to think that the PPV numbers would be high lol

@Mrwm117

7 ай бұрын

You totally missed the whole point of this argument if all you took away was that the PPV bombed dude

The numbers of PPV buys were released also. Chael was 100% correct. If anyone but the Saudi’s put that event on they’d be filing for bankruptcy. So he’s doing a touchdown dance on an event that was massively in the red. It’ll never be repeated because of how badly it went.

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

Only thing Chael was right about, Ariel didn't disagree with him about it, Ariel never said the PPVs would do great or even good, he just said you don't have a source for it and your self reporting it just like me... Where as Chael made multiple videos saying Ngannou would fumble the bag and he already had by leaving UFC.

@seanking6184

7 ай бұрын

@@Era-lk1loyes he did, Chael said it would do low numbers and Ariel was defensive like “how do you know?!” And then has the cheek to say Francis made between 10-20 million… $10,000,000 disparity for ppv is disingenuous

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

@@seanking6184 he factually did earn between 10-20mill, he worded it slimy but he wasn't straight up wrong like Chael was, and has been for months.

@seanking6184

7 ай бұрын

@@Era-lk1lo factually I earn somewhere between £1 and 100 million a year… To even suggests that the ppv points essentially earned him another 10 million when in reality they probably earned him less than 500k is absolutely being disingenuous to the point of bias. And Chael wasn’t wrong either, because you can make the argument that 1) he would have earned more vs Jones and 2) he’s pigeonholed himself perhaps 1 more boxing match. Saudi’s gifting him money doesn’t change the fact that it wasn’t a smart decision for 99% of fighters… Ariel is operating purely on hindsight

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

@@seanking6184 I think let's keep it realistic here 10-20mill is 100% difference your difference is like 1000000% It's like if an entry job for an IT technician was 40k a year without bonuses and someone is just getting into it says "I should be making 40k-80k when I get this entry level IT technician job", he knows he could make 40k in bonuses but he knows it would basically be impossible at it's not going to happen, but it doesn't change the fact his theoretical possible earnings are a minimum of 40k and a max of 80k and on a job advertisement they would 100% say "earn 40k-80k as an entry level technician" they know nobodies warning 80k 😂 Did you forget about the PFL deal Francis signed? And Jon Jones has career earning of $14.3m and has contributed more than 7,000,000 PPVs are you serious??? How tf would Francis be getting 20m+ for the Jon Jones fight?

I watched the interview on Ariel’s channel but I can’t stop laughing at Chael man he’s hilarious

Ariel would never talk like that to chael in person 😂

@fightflow21

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely not 😂 he would be the bitch in the corner

@LordColeslaw

7 ай бұрын

He would. And if confronted, he'll accuse him of being an anti semite

Ariel telling Uncle Chael to grow a pair is pretty crazy lol. As much as I love Ariel, Chael would strangle you in a heartbeat lmao

Ariel was right clear up until he played the antisemitism card, then he lost credibility.

@theoutsiderjess4869

7 ай бұрын

Chael wasn't listening to what Ariel said he got so damn heated that he didn't listen to the questions properly

@nick4942

7 ай бұрын

Was he right when he said “it’s reported Francis made between 10-20 million”, or was he right when Chael called him out on lying and then Ariel lies once again twisting his words saying “Francis made 10-20 million as reported by ME”, or was it when the ppv sales came out and they ONLY SOLD 67k . Ariel is so full of shit , he’ll form his opinion just in spite of Dana.

@MrJojoringo

7 ай бұрын

Ariel is never right

@len3169

7 ай бұрын

Ariel is a goof.

@charlesgraham9954

7 ай бұрын

ofc the crybaby is going to play victim.

Someone commented about how "wade should use his platform to talk about Palestine" and got absolutely bodied and deleted his comment. This is a combat sports channel!!!

@ThePassionateDisciple

7 ай бұрын

Exactly

@codyjohnson6427

7 ай бұрын

Yea. It's not about the movement itself, it's just the context within this channel makes no sense. I wish people had some common sense

@VolkovAlexandernovskiOfficial

7 ай бұрын

Yeah but Israel are doing their best to make Antisemitism a justified reaction to their behaviour. Israel is good but Russia Bad? Na tuc all of them especially you Yanks who justify the BS Maybe stop focusing on a fight between KZreadrs and fix your government funding these wars. You effing nothing khunt

@FlareDope

7 ай бұрын

That was me. I didn’t get “bodied” you selfish and unsympathetic scumbag. I deleted my comment because there was people like you in the replies just spreading hate & negativity, so I thought it was pointless trying. Yet you still found a way to spread hate after I deleted the comment 😂 pathetic

@FlareDope

7 ай бұрын

@@codyjohnson6427It does make sense. I said it wasn’t a religious, nor political matter. It’s just about being a human. Wade can speak up about it. But I deleted my comment because of people like you who just didn’t get my point.

Ariel has a huge grudge that he’s not “part of the team” and was pushed out by Dana and he uses Francois and anyone else he can to have so called victory laps.

😂😂😂 Uncle Chael makes it seem like it’s his own channel monologue even when in a two person convo

@skiwlkr9928

7 ай бұрын

Makes me feel like I’m watching his own video

@Pdog7293

7 ай бұрын

Never lost a round

Shoutout to Christian for editing the 2 hour live react😂

@bearInMind.

7 ай бұрын

Stream was jokes

They both made good points but at times were talking past each other. Even 30 minutes in, I was thinking that Chael was in on what Ariel was going to do - that this was all part of a work. But clearly, based on the last 5 minutes especially, there was nothing scripted about this one. Uncle Chael was ticked off.

@daquandavis5498

7 ай бұрын

“Both made good points blah blah blah”… the fact that Helwani even did this shit in the first place shows his journalism is suspect n always will be. 🤣 “independent Helwani” is just a name for a guy that’s clearly terrible to work with😭

@filthynumber1

7 ай бұрын

​@daquandavis5498 they did both make good points. They just weren't listening to eachother. Then it went past the point where any reasonable conversation was happening I dont blame chael for bailing. As entertaining as it was for us to watch, they weren't getting anywhere as far as resolving

@user-pv8sp5bk7n

7 ай бұрын

@@filthynumber1Overall, Chaels original statement that the business side of the fight bombed is true. the Fight did 67,000 ppv buys. that’s horrendous. if you wanna blame the time zone and location, you really can’t. a week or 2 earlier, islam makachev vs alexander volkanovski happened at the exact same time zone did way more. Ariel trying to use himself as a source is bullshit, and he was way fucking off. that’s terrible

@suj1201

7 ай бұрын

@@user-pv8sp5bk7n yes, Ariel exaggerated regarding the money & when he was challenged, cited himself which was a bit 🤨Francis likely got between $10-$10.5 mil. Still, that could be more than all his UFC fights combined. So, there’s no need to embellish. I honestly did not think this fight will do well in the PPVs, but I still had an expectation of 200K buys which this did not reach. there was not much promotion for it; and most didn’t think Francis would do well in his pro-boxing debut against arguably the best HW boxer of the past 20 years. If we’re talking about personal financial gain for the individual to determine if this was a successful decision, then it’s evidently clear: Yes. If we’re talking about immediate business success, then it’s evidently clear: No. But the key word there is “immediate.” that doesn’t mean the rematch will not do well. I think it can. What hurt the last fight was the idea that Francis didn’t stand a chance. But now that he has seized that opportunity & demonstrated it wasn’t just a lucky KO punch, but rather he can be competitive and go the distance w/ a highly skilled boxer, it has now sparked intrigue. This fight has garnered far more discussion in the week after than in the entire month before, ya know? I think the first fight just became the promo for the second. Or whatever fight Francis decides to do. He may not necessarily need to go to Saudi next. Perhaps he can fight in Vegas or Africa. It’ll be interesting to see.

@semyaza555

7 ай бұрын

@@user-pv8sp5bk7nThank you.

Areiel: Ima buy this lottery ticket Chael: all evidence points to that being a bad choice. Ariel: I won! See? I was right all along Chael: doesn’t mean my original assessment was incorrect

@Rapido20

7 ай бұрын

Incredibly du mb statement the chance of Francis beating the guy was immensely bigger then the chance of winning the lottery

@kevinbjorkman7225

7 ай бұрын

​@@Rapido20 Its not a dumb statement. The point, which you clearly miss, is that its a stupid move due to the fact that it is in a fact a gamble of which you did not have odds of winning. The odds that this would be a one off for Francis, he loosing and no more offers comming his way was a real and the most proable outcome. That would make this a "stupid" move. Now, that did not happen, but the move is still a loosing one. If I go all in during a poker game with a loosing hand and end up lucky, the move itself was still the "wrong" move cause the odds were higher that I would not benefit from it. Same as I can do the "right" move and still loose. But its about doing the highest likely move cause that move would benefit you more times than not. Doing boxing is more a gamble for his economy than what UFC would have been. As such, its the "dumber" move if you look at it like that.

@wardogsmokes

7 ай бұрын

Well said

@dianeaustin2414

7 ай бұрын

Exactly

@gordonramsdale

7 ай бұрын

Completely irrelevant point, since one is a lottery based on probability and the other on skill. It wasn’t luck…

All I know is Francis didn’t fumble the bag 😂

@patricknez7258

7 ай бұрын

Facts

@wedontagelikemilktho.7839

7 ай бұрын

People are just coping cuz Francis silenced them.😂

@04ngsnake

7 ай бұрын

Facts

@haydenroyer

7 ай бұрын

Connor earned 4-6million in his last 5 fights or so. So what's to say Francis wasn't capable of earning more, and that number compounding each time? What if this is Francis one and only fight, then he fumbled bag Givin he could have made 20 million in paychecks, not considering all sponsorship and endorsement deals

@YappyDK

7 ай бұрын

The ppv were extremely low, he did get the bag tho

That ppv did 65k buys ☠️ holy fahk that’s a bomb

I swear internet historians from the year 2150 are going to be researching public sentiment on this fight and come away thinking ngannou actually won... 😂

67K PPV buys btw

Why ariel acting like he was the one fighting

@DMtheDM93

7 ай бұрын

Because Ariel is in a fight a long long fight. A fight against Dana a fight against the UFC. Here’s the thing Ariel does this all under a guise that he is doing it to better the fighters; but the reality is that when Ariel was Dana’s lap dog and he was getting scratched behind the ears he wasn’t speaking out against the UFC. Honestly Ariel was one of my favorite people in mma; but for about the last three years I can’t stand to watch him.

@Romanus-

7 ай бұрын

Because he’s an absolute worm

Chael works at ESPN, he knew that the PPV was a bust. Ariel literally made stuff up.

@rigovalentine

7 ай бұрын

so chael sonnen is the guy to break the PPV buys, the guy who literally had nothing to do with the event, also his numbers were cap, there's already different numbers coming out, nothing official from the actually people managing the numbers from the event

@ChrisBenhardt

7 ай бұрын

But to Ariels point, Francis still won. He got paid.

@dallasalexander8112

7 ай бұрын

@@ChrisBenhardtbros defending a liar 😂

@ChrisBenhardt

7 ай бұрын

​@dallasalexander8112 I don't think really anyone is lying. The PPV could be a bust, so Chael is right. Francis made more money in this fight than he would have in the UFC. And will made considerably more in his next boxing match. These two just argued completely different topics.

@nunchuksteev9811

7 ай бұрын

@@ChrisBenhardt the numbers are out, it sold 67 k. Ariel said it's being reported Francis would get up to 10 mil in ppv buys, he just made it up.

I’m so glad you brought back the og background music! Missed it.

"There is not a word, of what you just said, with the tone and narrative that you want it to be interpreted, that was correct." He probably could have turned the camera off at that point and called that a wrap. lol. No one will ever out talk Chael. 🤣😂

i wish i could watch these breakdown videos but ariel is so annoying that i can't listen to this interview anymore

I really like Wade, not just his videos and but as a guy. He’s honest and straightforward. I saw a comment based on Wade saying Ariel is genuine… it said “You gotta give Wade a little leeway. He’s forming connections, it would be bad for Wade burn bridges… I think there’s more that Wade wanted to say” I hope that’s not the case. I really hope Wade stays genuine and 100% honest with his takes & doesn’t filter himself just to appease assholes like Ariel.

you been on the sun beds wade ? or have you got a new light because you was glowing today

No body brings the breakdowns like my main man wade!

Ariel was wrong about ppv buys but was right about Francis...But Francis only made 1 to 2 million dollars more than he would have had he fought Jones. He'll make more going forward and he exposed boxing...But the ppv buys were less than 70k...not good.

@rustyray420

7 ай бұрын

But with his performance, you can expect much higher ppv going forward if he gets a rematch or another match up with a pro boxer

@wedontagelikemilktho.7839

7 ай бұрын

@@rustyray420Yeah this is just the start, ppl ain’t overlooking him anymore.

@comixof2morrow

7 ай бұрын

@@rustyray420 ,Yes.. That's why I stated he will make more going forward. Francis made the smart decision for himself. It could have been disastrous but it wasn't for Francis. Good on him. I was rooting for him anyways but Sonnen is absolutely right about the ppv buys and that's what he was arguing. In reality, Francis didn't make as much as he could have made had there been more people buying the ppv's. People will want to tune in next time and the promotion will give him a bump up in pay. If Ngannou starches the next opponent then WOW...he will be huge in boxing. We are talking $50 to $100 million a fight.

@abs2fast2furios

7 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, no taxes in Saudi

@ericswag8465

7 ай бұрын

​@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839did you buy the PPV? Please be honest

I’m so glad we got this video. I couldn’t believe watching this the live.

Best way to start my day w wade's video

Helwani was in the wrong this time because he set Chael up with the interview by ambushing him. Him saying Chael was the only one who believed in the fight and then playiny a clip of Chael saying the opposite was a bitch move in journalism. If Helwani had just been up front and asked him why he didnt believe in Francis and whether he regrets not supporting it - then ok. But instead he went about it in a deceptive way. So Chael had every right to call Helwani a weasel and a rat. Because it was a weasel move. Now Helwani is trying to claim Chael is antisemitic because he said weasel. Ambushimg someone in an interview is bad practice. Literally everyone knows to not do that because they wouldn't want it done to them. Again Ariel showing the clip wasn't the problem. It was him lying about it to embarrass Chael. Despite all the hate Helwani gets ive always stood by him because I do think he is the best MMA journalist and has been treated unfairly for doing his job. But he absolutely did not do himself any favors with this interview. He just proved all his detractors right by acting like a weasel.

@wardogsmokes

7 ай бұрын

No way he called him antisemitic for calling him a weasel 💀

@benschmelzer7748

6 ай бұрын

Seems like a mountain out of a molehill…

I really haven’t laughed this hard in a long time and really needed that. I’ve seen this a few times now and keep laughing harder and harder every time I listen to these 2 knuckle heads lol uncle Chael is HEATED and I’m here for it lmao

It sold 67k PPV. So it was in fact NOT 10-20 million. So Chael was right the whole time.

@Massacre2k11

7 ай бұрын

In America! The fight was bigger outside the us

@anujkalipdewsing4033

7 ай бұрын

10mil was regardless of the ppv

@ericswag8465

7 ай бұрын

​@@Massacre2k11source? Or did you report it, just like ariel did?

@Massacre2k11

7 ай бұрын

@@ericswag8465 cause espn is only in the us idiot. Common sense it’s only the espn ppv

@mr-anfosh827

7 ай бұрын

bro its 55k us and 11k espn so no its worldwide@@Massacre2k11

Your reaction to the interview totally captured my emotions. You are real. ✌🏿

Chael knew he was right about the PPV underperforming. Look at his “I know something you dont” smile as Ariel talks nonsense about knowing differently.

They were both making points for 2 different arguments, the whole point from Ariel was that Francis came out with a win when everyone was saying that he wouldn’t and doubted him while Chael is arguing the whole business side of the event

@zOmEn616

7 ай бұрын

In my opinion i think is vice versa, ariel’s arguments was about the buisiness side, and lets be honest, anti ufc more importantly anti dana white, and chael even said that the event was gonna fumbled and it was a one sided fight but he got proven wrong by francis and he chael does believe francis won the fight, BUT he was right that the event fumbled in ppv buys.

@Inyourbox-kr5uf

7 ай бұрын

@@zOmEn616but Francis still got paid 10mil. So he didn’t fumble the bag

@erickhernandez4511

7 ай бұрын

@@Inyourbox-kr5uf exactly, Ariel is and had always been backing Francis, that’s his whole point,

@curtharakaly4620

7 ай бұрын

He wasn't backing Francis...he was mocking the UFC. Huge difference.@@erickhernandez4511

@curtharakaly4620

7 ай бұрын

He would have made double that fight Jones...@@Inyourbox-kr5uf

9-9, no one won, hating on ariel doesn’t mean chael won

@InterYamah

7 ай бұрын

They both had points they were right and wrong with, i honestly dont understand why everyones talking about this so much tbh

@theoutsiderjess4869

7 ай бұрын

Its a tie both guys are fighting over sources

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

​@@InterYamahOnly thing Chael was right about, Ariel didn't disagree with him about it, Ariel never said the PPVs would do great or even good, he just said you don't have a source for it and your self reporting it just like me... Where as Chael made multiple videos saying Ngannou would fumble the bag and he already had by leaving UFC.

@InterYamah

7 ай бұрын

@@Era-lk1lo ariel literally said ngannou would make 10mil from ppv buys alone, chael was also right about ariel lying about having ngannous best interests at heart when encouraging him nd it was obviously just about getting back at the ufc for him

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

@@InterYamah That's a complete lie he never said that, I guarantee you cannot find me a quote of Ariel saying "he would make 10m from PPV buys alone

You're the best reactor to this interview I've seen so far. You got the intricacies of both arguments - most people miss some of Chael's points.

I'm pretty sure Ariel just always starts feuds with someone new any time his viewership starts to dwindle. He's a black belt in starting problems then playing then victim.

Not gonna lie Ariel knowing chael has had a bad encounter with Francis and throwing it in his face and asking him to apologize to clown him to his audience is pretty messed up when you think about it. Ariel was right about Francis but he clearly isn’t arguing like this because Francis deserves more credit…. Everything he did was snaky, ofc he was right he set the interview up for him to be right and for chael to be wrong, from the very beginning.

more entertaining than any recent face to face/press conference

This stream was hilarious

Ariel set the tone for the interview from the off and the rest was basically a draw cause Nganou never made 10 to 20 million but at 76 thousand ppvs which chael knew as he works for espn which sold 50/60.000 its not hard to deduct it would bomb Which is why dana wasnt offering him 10 mil a fight and no other promoter was quick to sign him leaving the ufc , not onefc pfl who signed him eddie hearn and rest Watch the rematch and his future boxing fights disappear after the recent ppvs numbers of 76 thousand , nevermind promoters losing hundreds of millions. What opponent is going to fight him aswell if there not getting paid its a lose lose. Amanda nunes vs Aldana did more ppvs than Nganou and Fury and thats using Fury's fanbase in boxing n Nganou's in mma so it not just bombed it really bombed I loved when youtube guys try to take stuff as there own knowing there getting all the information thats already out there , yet say nothing but try and pass it of as there own 😅

@mattb5846

7 ай бұрын

I think a rematch would actually do much better. The reason the ppv bombed was the time it came on, but also the fact that nobody thought Ngannou was going to make it competitive. Everyone doubted him, and such, no one wanted to pay 80 bucks (in the US) to watch a boxing event at 2pm which had like 3 okay fights and the main event, with a weird musical performance before I might add, that everyone expected to either go to a boring Fury decision or for Fury to KO him early. Everyone was just waiting for the social media announcements of “Tyson fury by decision” before Ngannou started giving Tyson a run for his money. In light of all this, now that we know that the matchup is competitive, and that Ngannou can hang with top boxers, I believe people will be a lot more interested a second time around. Of course, I don’t think this will happen anytime soon, maybe not at all for that matter.

@johnbutler2780

7 ай бұрын

Saudi want him to fight in December lol.

@kennyfnpowers707

7 ай бұрын

There was no real promotion for this. All I heard about was the Paul v Danis and the funny thing is that KSI v Fury was supposed to be the draw.

@gordonramsdale

7 ай бұрын

Your point is null because it’s based on the low ppv numbers, but although they WERE low, they sure as shit won’t be low now!

@benschmelzer7748

6 ай бұрын

That was the ESPN+ buy rate, traditional PPV outlets in the US put it above 200,000, much higher internationally. PPV cut puts Ngannou’s pay somewhat above ten million most likely, we’ll know soon…

LOVE YOU WADE

This is a great work by two of the best in the business….

The reason Francis didn’t have to sign a multi fight deal is because they were sure he’d lose. Now nobody will sign a fight with a guy from another sport for a single fight without a signed rematch incase it doesn’t go their way. They can’t even do that with other fellow boxers, so there is almost no way they will take that risk with someone who might just go back to mma after killing a cash cow

Chael was in the wrong with the whole Francis being successful deal, but Ariels antics and arguments at certain points were kinda shotty. Love them both tho definitely a top tier segment

You didn't play the bet on the lottery part. That was a good point

dawg wade ur blowin up

Sonnen was right and he did not get the info from hidden sources. It is all over the internet. The PPV numbers were really disappointing. And Sonnen was right again. The time of the event had to do with poor PPV numbers. I am myself a hard core MNA fan and have missed a couple of PPV because of the time difference. I just forget. Sonnen was right all along.

Ariel started with a fckn low blow ….what a weasel move on someone that he’s called a friend n standing up for him in the past

What is the beat in the background there? It's absolutely glorious! Kinda sounds familiar.

I find it funny how Ariel has a hate boner for the ufc and Dana when in fact he got to where he is at from interviewing popular ufc fighters

10-8 Chael. What you think of the Buakaw vs Saenchai BKFC bout coming up?

@matthunter5710

7 ай бұрын

No way that's a real fight coming up .... is it??

@jstChase

7 ай бұрын

@@matthunter5710 it happened earlier today. Well yesterday now

Here’s the truth…Chael is not wrong. Francis was given that money and not earned. But! He did not “fumble” the bag, he made more guaranteed dollars than he MIGHT have with the UFC.

@curtharakaly4620

7 ай бұрын

No, he actually didn't. $10m from boxing isn't more than $8m plus PPV shares of over 1m buys as well as backdoor money that isn't disclosed. Francis would have easily made at least $15m fighting Jones just from the fight alone, never mind the increase in everything else afterwards if he had beaten Jones like he thought he would have.

@theb.o.a.t.8225

7 ай бұрын

@@curtharakaly4620 if that fight happens, I agree. But to hang the balance of your financial livelihood in the hands of someone you don’t trust is tough. He made the right choice. He’s in control of his career and has earned life changing money.

I don't really care abt who was right. But Ariel talking crazy instantly made me wanna side with chael. Like chael was also talking crazy but at the very least we know he can back that up. Ariel just can't💀

22:53 killed me ahahahahah🤣

I genuinely think Chael had intended to approach this interview in a civil manner by giving props to Francis but also re-iterating that this fight, although Francis got paid, was NOT a commercial success in the way Ariel had propped it up to be. That's all. But noooo, Ariel had to try and play the "gotcha" game and press Chael to admit he was wrong...which he wasn't because the whole argument was that the PPV would bomb.

I understand the criticism many people have had about Chael's behavior and I'm sure in hindsight Chael himself wasn't crazy about it being on camera. But c'mon man, Ariel brings this out of people! He absolutely used a video chat as a safe distance to behave in a way he wouldn't in a face to face interview. Not to mention his perpetual victim persona.

Ariel would not talk like this if Sonnen was their ‼️

ok real opinion Chael is right what he saying broadly is that this could and would be highly volatile for the common pro boxer. Ariel is super annoying and just trying to beat his own drum with no logic.

This whole back & fourth was hilarious

ariel was never in the right here 😆- there should be a level of respect and professionalism when you’re having someone on a podcast (who is also your friend) rather than trying to get a hit piece on them… Ariel comes off super childish with his “look at this clip where you’re wrong and I’m right! Apologize and admit you’re wrong!!!” 🤓🤓🤓 what a goofball

@ryanfruge8819

7 ай бұрын

And then he never admits when he is wrong. 🤣

@PeepersonCreedo

7 ай бұрын

@@ryanfruge8819 exactly dude like cmon 😆 80% of people said the same thing as Chael but ariel wants to call out all his friends like a cornball 😆

I hate when people say nobody thought Francis was gonna win or had a chance whatever. I can’t have been the only that truly believed he would make the fight a hell for Fury. I thought Francis was gonna KO Fury.

@scottjohnstone5551

7 ай бұрын

Bullshit

Since this argument took place 2 things have happened. The PPV numbers came out and Chael was right. AJ said hes no longer interested in fighting Francis so one of his matchups is off the table.

40:29 Yes! He has completely adopted Trumps hand motions & mannerisms. I’ve been saying this bro!! 💀😂

Ariel told him to grow a pair of balls and called him a coward, that’s fighting talk. Then tries to paint Chael as an anti-semite, something which could have drastic implications on Chael’s career and livelihood. Ariel took a massive L here

@pandacat6276

7 ай бұрын

Lol thank you. It was so weird to see after.

Chael was a composer in his past life 🎶

We've just witnessed the last time Ariel interviews Chael... Wade was right, this was not a work.

Inviting a friend to publicly shame him is such a snake move. Does not matter who is right, is it worth it?

two guys with the gift of the gab going at it. love to see it.

I kinda got the vibes the event wasn't doing well, no one talked about it till the day of, but it doesn't even matter because francis got paid big and his next fight he will get even more money

I cannot stand Ariel

Great react content 💥

Ariel just blatantly lied in this, if you still can't see through Ariel you are the definition of naïve at this point

@gordonramsdale

7 ай бұрын

He said 10-20 million, when 10 mil is guaranteed from Saudi, so idk if it’s a lie because that’s true

This was beyond the Francis fight..this was personal for Ariel. Chael's body language made him seem like he knew at that point Ariel knows hes been talking shit about him behind his back. He even nearly chose flight over fight when he tried to leave the interview. He tried to stay composed because he remembered he has a KZread channel where he'll have to face his fans

@ericswag8465

7 ай бұрын

Its always personal for ariel. Thats why he lied about the PPV numbers, and cried antisemitism when he was called a weasel for being a shameless liar. The dude just hates dana white.

@yeahkevinn

7 ай бұрын

Ariel the instigator. Acting like it was all unprovoked. Walking away doesn't always mean you're afraid. He just gave up on Ariel.

@derrickmonster95

7 ай бұрын

What’s the point for Chanel to staying sitting in voice chat with someone who is just trying to argue do has better things to do

@Era-lk1lo

7 ай бұрын

​@@yeahkevinnWhat was Ariel even wrong about? People keep calling him names but nobody can tell me why Ariel is wrong... You could say "the PPV flopped" but Ariel never said it would do good, he never said it will sell 800k+ PPV buys, Chael is arguing against a strawman the whole argument.

@dannyboyyy5402

7 ай бұрын

@@Era-lk1loAriel was wrong the minute he opened the interview how he did. You can be right all you want but it’s not an excuse to be a slimy little dickhead about it. It’s called social awareness and goofs like you clearly aren’t outside enough to know how to properly talk to people.

Ariel starting off the interview poorly and kept pressing the issue whenever Chael tried to change the discussion. Made sense why it escalated, but both are in the wrong for not backing down. Also, Chael used the nuke on Ariel and called him a weasel. Dana White used to insult Ariel with that term, so it struck a nerve with him. Even after interview Ariel kept taking jabs at Chael throughout the show. Dude was deeply bothered by it all

@wardogsmokes

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for sensitive word insight👍

lets go 💪🏽💪🏽

Chael coming with the motions tho 😂😂😂… also that slight smirk he gave knowing this PPV royally bombed

Mathematically speaking, which is the point Ariel is trying to make - he is completely wrong. You don't invest 100k into a 1% probability outcome for the exact same payoff that you could have got for a 50+% probability outcome I.e. 2 - 3 more fights in the UFC

@sirtoby4939

7 ай бұрын

The 2-3 fights is complete fiction. Nobody has 2-3 title fights in 18 months, while having knee surgeries. Show me where and when that's ever happened. Go on. I'll wait.

@resimatemaluleke9096

7 ай бұрын

@@sirtoby4939as if Dana was ever going to give Francis 10 million over 3 fights , while his last fight as CHAMPION he got 600k like be realistic over here

@rhysjeffery1630

7 ай бұрын

@@sirtoby4939 thankyou for waiting. Connor McGregor fought 4 times in 18 months post knee surgery.

I get every PPV and didn't get this one because I didn't see it being a contest and I got a heap of mates that were in the same boat, I thought it'd be a sparring contest and Francis would offer nothing.

Bro I kept laughing at chaels handmovements bro couldn't stop dancing 😂

ariel is such a little girl dude wants to argue against these fighters then cries when they say something back

Respect for both Ariel and chael for giving us this entertainment 😂 it was a banger 😂

Bro got that sonic adventure 2 type beat on always

Wade jus helped me understand both of these niggas

When you pull the race card, antisemitic card or the gender card when is clearly not warranted in the least.... *You lose by default and are never taken seriously again* Chael left the argument somewhat wrong.Its ok to be wrong. *Ariel left the argument looking like a complete POS that tried to have someone he calls a friend cancelled*

I feel like after the interview, they got on the phone and said to each other "that's going to get views'