Think counting is all there is to this illegal scam? Watch the second half to see why even a fair game is nearly impossible! Did the count fool you?

@RyanStonedonCanadianGaming

5 жыл бұрын

Poker? Blackjack? Slot machines? Celo? Yatzee? Backgammon? Closest quarter to wall wins?

@Tahgtahv

5 жыл бұрын

A few things I've noticed, some of which has been mentioned. There may be some bad math, either intentional or unintentional (you guys don't even have the "from earlier..." count right, the correct total is 29), but a lot of it is just picking one number or the other. They're clearly on top of the holes, but when doing it fast, it's hard to notice. The second thing is the distribution. You have: 11 ones, 17 twos, 39 threes, 44 fours, 21 fives, 11 sixes; choose 8. The math for that actually sounds pretty complicated, but the slightly easier case of 1 marble at a time gives you an expected total of ~28.4755

@scamschool

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tahgtahv Good catch! And yep, the distribution is *very* skewed to 3s and 4.

@ehrichweiss

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't fully understand the rule about 29 until close to the end. I thought that it was only doubled for that particular round but if I'm understanding correctly it doubles from that point on. That's an awesome angle to it. Love it.

@cadlyn

5 жыл бұрын

i picked up on the miscounting right away... all in all though a very interesting scam.

I thought I was going crazy when he kept miscounting.

@TimBowers

5 жыл бұрын

I was like 'hey, is he adding the number above, or below? Wait, neither, what's going on here...'

@MACIEJ454545

5 жыл бұрын

I was the same, I noticed it and wondered what the rules are on that

@CreeperAssassins1

5 жыл бұрын

@@MACIEJ454545 fair counting counts above, since the bottom row only has numbers on the top

@MichaelBeck_profile

5 жыл бұрын

Me too

@AirNeat

5 жыл бұрын

I knew it was the scam all along. Brian did miscount as 27 when he was actually supposed to get 29 though haha

For being a mathematician he sure has troubles with single digit additions… HEY, WAIT A MINUTE!

@KiDKiSAM3

5 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who noticed! 😂

@kylemcdonald5978

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah me too, but after a couple of go's i was like "i see what ur doing"

@Spitfire14

5 жыл бұрын

I saw that aswell

@stefmemes7222

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought for someone in his area should know what 29 + 4 is...

@sevret313

5 жыл бұрын

But you're not going to complain when it is in your advantage that he's miscounting. Perfect scam.

If you were a player, and noticed him miscounting, but you WON, would you even mention it? I bet many people wouldn't. And he only needs to miscount to help you win and hook you in. Once you're hooked, the game will finish you off.

@davidzeiger7925

5 жыл бұрын

This also plays into the psychology of scamming. If the sucker manufactures the lie, they are less likely to call the huckster on the scam since they were benefiting from the mistakes earlier. Lots of people get hooked on these since, even though they know it's a carnival game/scam, they think they are the ones cheating the huckster. Many con artists play off similar illegitimate desires and actions to steal from folks and know they won't go to the police since it's their own greed/stupidity being implicated as well.

@rapmastac1362

5 жыл бұрын

Just like the ball and cup game. You see the ball and the "other patron" picks the wrong cup, you are like this is way easy! You go and he does a switcharoo and you lose. Only high bets on this game.

@geoffhazel2

5 жыл бұрын

@@rapmastac1362 That actually happened to me on vacation. Saw a game on the street, watched the "move", said "ah, I got this" and while I looked down to pull out my money, he pulled the move on ME. Lost my £5 and knew immediately (but too late) how it had happened.

@capatainnemo

5 жыл бұрын

you wouldnt win

@wolf1066

4 жыл бұрын

So many cons start with letting you win small to begin with.

My D&D group is going to hate me after tomorrow night. I'm going to set up in the corner of a tavern and make so much gold.

@untitled6087

5 жыл бұрын

but surely people who play a game based entirely on dice would see how this works? after all, rolling up a character has you working with a distribution, 18/3 are _super_ rare.

@pukesmiley2784

5 жыл бұрын

For calculating which digit its going to be just roll a d 11 and a d13 to figure out the coordinates if you dont want to buy new dice, there is an app

@Oskanwhitchfather

5 жыл бұрын

YOU JUST GAVE ME THE BEST IDEA. Side note: I'm the DM this time around...

@charlieb8735

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking D&D players would be the hardest to scam, especially anyone who has cast fireball more than a couple times lol.

@Oskanwhitchfather

5 жыл бұрын

@@charlieb8735 See, you set it up in character, make it cost 1 Copper, and tell them they can have /anything/ if they make it to 100 points. Literally anything, including homebrew, and self-made, OP, game shattering, God killing weapons and/or armor that makes them invincible. Entice them with riches and powers every gamer dreams of. Let the Fighter cast spells like a Cleric, and a Sorcerer, in FULL PLATE. Then sit back and watch them gamble away their money, and laugh on the inside as they rage at the scam, only to reveal it was a scam 2-3 years down the road....

I was adding up with James and I was thinking the math wasn't right

@rajdeepguha734

5 жыл бұрын

I too thought that a lot of times

@armindoroudi9025

5 жыл бұрын

he explains why later

@valderhide1674

5 жыл бұрын

@@armindoroudi9025 I figured the incorrect math; especially from a guy whose all about math and thus I would assume being accurate; was part of the scam. Been a long time since I watched numberphile and James

@Quantris

5 жыл бұрын

Yup. But the tricky part is those errors are in the player's favor, so even if they notice they may go along with it.

@sisi7304

5 жыл бұрын

Same, but that's why it's called "Razzle Dazzle"

I caught the miscounts but figured he was looking at the wrong side of the marble... until Brian got into his losing streak. Cheeky, Mr Grimes!

@richardpike8748

5 жыл бұрын

Same. I wondered why he was inconsistent with his "side-picking" but didn't fully catch on

@Loogaroo1

5 жыл бұрын

That's exactly how I interpreted it. Because there's no borders around the numbers/holes, it would be very easy for the scammer to choose the numbers either above or below the hole to manipulate the total. The order that the marbles are counted would also be manipulated; if you know that 27 is a dud number, you engineer the count towards 23 and save the 4 for last.

@davids.9789

5 жыл бұрын

He bamboooozed him

@arandombard1197

4 жыл бұрын

@@Loogaroo1 Nope. You don't need to engineer a dud number. He only lies to give good numbers.

@AsmodeusMictian

Жыл бұрын

See, here I thought I may have just been going crazy, THEN I thought he was being creative with which side of the marble he was counting on. Turns out? Nope....complete and utter scam.

On video, this scam becomes really easy to spot, especially because we have a top-down view and no money into the game. In real life, with your own money involved and a less than ideal view, I reckon it's almost impossible to spot if you're not aware of the probability ahead of time

@Rowgue51

4 жыл бұрын

There's really nothing to spot. That's not the scam. The probability is the scam, even without doing any miscounting. The miscounting is always done to benefit the player to keep them hooked, so nobody that wasn't already aware of the scam would be calling them out on bad counts. The bad counts also wouldn't be anywhere near as frequent in a real world scenario. He was doing them right and left here just to expedite the process and not have you sit through three hundred rounds before any points were scored. But in a real world scenario the miscounts would happen very infrequently and only when the scam artist sensed the mark was about to walk away.

@MikkoRantalainen

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rowgue51 Exactly. The only thing you need to notice is that the game is equal to rolling 8 dices and to get the price you have to throw basically 8 times 1 or 8 times 6. That's about 2/6^8 or 2:1679616. Doesn't seem that good a bet, right? The part where the scammer promises to add *all the already spent money* to the price is the genious part. That makes it appear that you cannot lose as long as you keep playing until the win.

@jhoodrico569

Жыл бұрын

@@Rowgue51 that deff is the scam that’s where the scam starts . Him letting you think you win a couple times is the reason you’re ever playing still . Deff the start of the scam . I understand you’ll never win but you could figure that out early if he isn’t miscounting

Damn now I can legitimize the joke,” a mathematician and a magician walk into a bar”

@Actually_Zahren

5 жыл бұрын

A Mathmagician if you will...

@JorgetePanete

5 жыл бұрын

@@Actually_Zahren Mathgician, you mean

@unounk9415

5 жыл бұрын

Does singing banana even age? This is from April 2019 and he looks the same as ever other video from years ago

@Actually_Zahren

5 жыл бұрын

@@JorgetePanete Personally I think Mathmagician rolls off the tongue a bit better

Holy shit this is a legendary collab

@Nalkahn

5 жыл бұрын

I liked before watching :D

@PhilieBlunt666

5 жыл бұрын

I was about to say, numberphile and scam school, holy crap that just sounds perfect

@wobblysauce

5 жыл бұрын

That it is... fit so well together.

@blablub2402

5 жыл бұрын

My favourite channels together!

@JonO387

5 жыл бұрын

Legendary mismatch.

"It's not much... " *"It's $400."*

@hex1101

5 жыл бұрын

I'll make MORE with this.

@zacharybarbanell1064

5 жыл бұрын

I mean, as far as "stacks of dollar bills the size of a brick", 400$ is pretty low

@stephescobar575

5 жыл бұрын

Greatings, fellow proletariat =)

@fenhen

5 жыл бұрын

In the UK, the smallest possible note value is £5, so the smallest an equivalent stack size in the UK could be is almost 3000 bucks.

@stevebooth9542

5 жыл бұрын

Humblebrag much?

Honestly, I noticed a dodgy count the moment Brian won. He won points though, so I guessed I just miscounted. Damn. I feel scammed.

@AndyLundell

5 жыл бұрын

That's the best part. He only has to cheat to make you win. So even if you notice, you keep your mouth shut.

@barrytone6581

5 жыл бұрын

Dang someone put 70 likes instead of 69. Someone is truly a monster.

@TheNaturalnuke

5 жыл бұрын

I legitimately thought he wasnt counting them i the order he was picking them up.

@randomhotelroomnumberg2195

5 жыл бұрын

i also noticed it before the initial reveal.

@magnusanderson6681

5 жыл бұрын

@@renaminginprogress6903 road to 667

I can say as a viewer, I had the advantage to be able to see you were miscounting, but unless a person is looking for the indicators that they are being scammed, it is very easy to miss. One time when I was a cashier two people tried to scam me through asking for change and distracting me from a distance. Once I knew I had handed the person exact change and he asked to change another big bill to smaller ones while his partner was yelling for me from a distance to distract me, I knew what was going on and right then was my chance to stop it. I slammed my drawer shut and told the scammer the truth. That's your change, I know it's 100% right, and the drawer won't open again without my manager. He starts throwing a fit. My manager walks over, opens my drawer hands him a $20 and writes me up for my drawer being under balance by $20. Not the worst manager I've had, but I definitely was not happy that I got punished for them being scammed and not believing that I counted exact change.

And even if you notice that he's counting wrong, you're probably not going to say anything about it, because hey, it's an error in your favor!

@404killer

5 жыл бұрын

i dont think you understand the game. higher score doesnt mean more points...

@Luweesel

5 жыл бұрын

@@404killer No, but when he was miscounting he was often winning you points which you weren't getting by playing fairly

@ixcaliber

5 жыл бұрын

@@404killer And I don't think you understand the point of miscounting.

@404killer

5 жыл бұрын

@Agent J ?

@404killer

5 жыл бұрын

@Agent J your iq must be much higher cause im confused

Marvel: Avengers Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover... Scam Nation:

@Maninawig

5 жыл бұрын

Not the first colab... Check out Scam School Pi Day

@danmcshane6004

5 жыл бұрын

Hold my beer

@pyrokinetikrlz

5 жыл бұрын

I was going to write the very same comment!!!! HAHAHAHA

@awesomeminingwizard

5 жыл бұрын

Hold my FREE beer

@photelegy

5 жыл бұрын

Also the SlowMo-Guys and MythicalMorning-Guys crossover 😉

I've subscribed to you both independently and I did not expect to see him here at all.

Using the range of numbers on the board to figure out it's equivalent to a dice roll, then imagining the distribution curve and figuring out the range of likely point values, it's such an elegant way to see through a game of chance. This is why I love Numberphile, it makes applied maths seem natural; something I quite got the hang of during school.

EXCELLENT collab! Now we just need one with Matt Parker :)

@YoungsterJoeyAUS

5 жыл бұрын

Would that be a Parker Scam?

@andymcl92

5 жыл бұрын

@@YoungsterJoeyAUS That would depend on how successful it is...

@YoungsterJoeyAUS

5 жыл бұрын

It’ll have to look like it would work, but ultimately fail.

@lindsaytang1017

5 жыл бұрын

It would be a Parker square scam

@andymcl92

5 жыл бұрын

@@YoungsterJoeyAUS That kinda clashes with the Modern Rogue style where things look like they're gonna fail but are surprisingly effective!

for the dice version you could always swap in weighted dice every once in a while to replace the miscounting.

@scamschool

5 жыл бұрын

Good point! The number distribution on the marble game favors 4s, so dice weighted to 4 would mimic that

@raelik777

5 жыл бұрын

@@scamschool Yeah, you'd probably want half weighted to 4s, and half weighted to 3s, since they're on opposite sides.

@ablejack3

5 жыл бұрын

The board is not only skewed against the player with distribution though. Even a fairly distributed board is skewed against the player. The reason is that any 6 roll "occupies" one of the (already fewer) sixes that is available to the other seven marbles. Whereas any roll of the dice does not affect the other dice. The extremely illustrating example is if there were only seven spaces numbered 6. Then it would be obviously impossible to roll eight 6's.

@magnusanderson6681

5 жыл бұрын

@@scamschool Their point was weight a die to 6 or 1 so you replicate them winning. I suppose 4s and 3s would make the dice version more like the board version probability wise though.

Just walk in with 10^100 dollars and get a free tv!

@TuberTugger

5 жыл бұрын

Well, you actually double your prizes a bunch. So you get a few dozen TVs.

@uegvdczuVF

5 жыл бұрын

@@TuberTugger After getting a 29 the price doubles. After 10 times you rolled a 29 it costs 1024 dollars for every roll after that.. until you roll another 29... .So it's more like 10x100x1000x10000 dollars for a few dozen TVs :)

@stephen3164

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but you play till the end, you get your money back! Just like in blackjack when you keep doubling your bet - though you're betting $32k, tyen $64k on a hand but when you break the losing streak, you only net your original $8 bet. Except in this case you gotta spend at least $1M over the course of 17 hours... yeah, that's not happening.

@ArmadilloAl

5 жыл бұрын

10^100 is simultaneously 1) 85 orders of magnitude more money than there is in the world and 2) at least 50 orders of magnitude NOT ENOUGH money. Per the graphic at 15:39, the expected cost *per roll* after the 5,000th roll is over 3x10^150.

This is such a random collab, these are two people I never would have expected to see in the same room, but it's awesome to be able to! James is my favorite Numberphile presenter!

@G-H-C

3 жыл бұрын

I won't stand for this matt parker slander 😒

I quite liked this. A lot of math based scams are really obvious, and though this one's not too hard to figure out if you have any idea on how probabilities work with multiple dice, it's not really obvious, and also since it's clearly technically possible to win it seems like a fair game. I did notice James counting weird, but because I was expecting the scam to be more about probabilities, it didn't actually occur to me that he was doing that to skew the game in Brian's favor, which is devious. :D

@hearmerant

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly that. I really didn't expect him to just lie. Even though I caught the miscount, I thought it was me at fault somehow.

@Dargonhuman

5 жыл бұрын

@@hearmerant It seems like a lot of people were thinking that as well, which points to another logical fallacy of trusting authority figures unquestioningly; we assume that since he's a professional mathematician and most of us are not, then any discrepancy is our fault and trust he knows what he's doing. It's this fallacy that's the root of many cults, political parties and most misinformation out there - if someone convinces enough people that they are an authority on a particular subject, then they never have to furnish proof of said expertise which then gives them the freedom to proclaim whatever they want as most of their followers will fall into the same trap of "They know more than me, so if I disagree I must be wrong."

@KuK137

5 жыл бұрын

@@Dargonhuman Politician? Heh. Try certified liar in (mostly right wing) "news" programs or a priest. I could understanding leaving politics to someone who is dedicated enough to make it his job, but a lot of idiots trusts people who have nothing to do with field of interest to make decisions for them...

Ive seen them playing this game on the show floor of a comic book convention in Vegas. Cops and gaming commission came in and arrested them.

@celinak5062

5 жыл бұрын

+

@redtails

5 жыл бұрын

Lel. Hope they paid a shitton of fines

@Squidbush8563

5 жыл бұрын

@@redtails they probably took them out back and shot them. The gaming commission doesn't mess around.

@ghoulishgam3r508

4 жыл бұрын

Surprising, honestly. Vegas is all about scamming people with unfair odds.

8:35 did James actual just snag a paper that was flying away out of mid air? DAYMN

@KaitouKaiju

5 жыл бұрын

Have a feeling that wasn't the first time

Oh my god ! Haven’t watched Scam School- or Scam Nation I guess - in years! How he’s changed... Good on you my dude!

Every time I see a recent video with Brian Bushwood I always thank Jesus that he got rid of those spiked tips.

Is James is commiting Grimes again? He is such a bad guy.

I seriously need to run this to D&D. I would love to see how far my players dump gold into this scam.

@magnusanderson6681

5 жыл бұрын

lol

Who'd have thought playing D&D would have prepared me to see through a scam

Just practice miscounting and fool the scammer xD

@OrangeC7

5 жыл бұрын

The scammer would surely know the odds, though, and catch you at their own game, which they touched on in the video.

@redtails

5 жыл бұрын

might as well play the game a few rounds and say "hey dude this is razzle dazzle, give me the prize or I'll call the cops"

@Gray13475

5 жыл бұрын

@@redtails Good way to get shot or stabbed. Razzle is still pretty popular in dozens of variations in low income areas(mostly ghettos). We (State SWAT) are called in to do Multi-Block No-Knocks from Popularity and the bonused Illegality in my State. Most Local and County Agencies here; do not have the training, equipment, funding, or weaponry to pull off such high paced UCRs(Urban Clearance Raids). Those of us on the State Team are actually using our years of MOUT(Urban Warfare) and CQC Training to pull such raids off as rapid pace, as we do them - Clear, Search, Find, Next in 5 minutes or less.

@TomDufall

5 жыл бұрын

The scammer can afford to let you win a round and then count with you the next round though, unless you claim 100 points.

I particularly like where you cheat to the benefit of the mark in order to build his "confidence", and keep him playing. It's sort of like being your own shill in the 3 card monte scam.

@user-yg4kj2mf1p

Жыл бұрын

Even in the three card monte, if the scammer has taken some of your money, he might let you win once or twice to get your hopes up and take everything you've got.

Really enjoyed this one. Now I want to make my own razzle dazzle board. I see a laser cut project in my future.

@Roxor128

5 жыл бұрын

Just drilling holes smaller than the width of the marbles would do. Marbles are what? 15mm wide? A 12mm drill bit should suffice for holes big enough to stop their motion without letting them fall through.

Thanks so much for having James Grime on the show. I am such a HUGE fan of his and seeing him on this is just simply amazing!

I literally searched up numberphile and went to check notifications and saw this!

4:15 Did you confuse the top and the bottom when adding up? Wait, he does it on purpose

@johnholmstrom4212

5 жыл бұрын

But Brian miscounted a few times too lol

@crushingit5128

5 жыл бұрын

I was actually getting infuriated that he kept miscounting. No idea it was part of the scam. Not a very good one if you ask me.

@m4r1o148

5 жыл бұрын

@@crushingit5128 It's a VERY good one considering the only way you can (plausibly) get any winning numbers is by miscounting. If someone calls you out on your bullshit, but continues to play convinced that you're miscounting to prevent them from winning, they're just digging themselves even deeper. Ideally, once you realize it's a scam, you should drop the game altogether. Although I have a feeling that if you already started playing, you're not the type of person that can do that lol

@BlakjeKaas

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnholmstrom4212 Wait wat lol

@arandombard1197

4 жыл бұрын

@@crushingit5128 It's obvious that he miscounted. But if the miscount means you win, then what reason do you have to challenge it? It makes the player think they are the ones scamming the game-host.

This is so brilliant. It’s one giant misdirection. Because everyone, even marginally skeptical people, are going to assume the scam is in the marbles or the board. They’ll be staring that thing down like a hawk trying to find why they aren’t winning. The scam is in the number card, and you aren’t even thinking about the number card.

@zyzzy-ko4ww

Жыл бұрын

Actually, the scam is in the prospect of doubling the cost to play (especially if it happens more than once as a running gag): 2^40 is about 1.1 trillion, 2^255 is about 57.9 zillion (not a typo) and 2^335 is about 7 googol (Don't ask!).

I'm so glad this showed up in my recommended! I love Dr. Grime, and scams and gambling psychology are fascinating subjects!

I was counting along at first to make sure he got the numbers right and noticed some of his counts were off. While I was figuring out how that was going to effect the game he gave control over and then I started looking at other angles because you're not going to intentionally miscount yourself, and besides you'd already gotten actual points so... It is quite diabolical.

@MrDannyDetail

5 жыл бұрын

You're not going to intentionally miscount youself, and yet in this game Brian miscounts the first three times he does the counting....

I first heard of the "Razzle" game through a different channel's video and wanted to learn more. Your video came up from my search. And, since James is on here from the Numberphile channel, I know it's going to be a good video.

@zyzzy-ko4ww

Жыл бұрын

This Razzle Dazzle game is so crazy it makes me envision the following variation on a theme: only prime numbers (11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47) count for points.

I was so ready for the value distribution-not expecting the miscounting! That is real scam artistry. Thank you, Prof. Grime!

Dice version: Scoring 100 points would take 342 rounds, and cost $2.62 billion on average Marble version (updated): Scoring 100 points would take 4978 rounds, and cost $2.19 x 10^164 on average Marble version (with non-blocking marbles): Scoring 100 points would take 3431 rounds, and cost $1.73 x 10^111 on average (I wrote some code to calculate this, using the game board shown in the video, assuming each hole has equal probability.) More stats: Dice version: Expected score per round is 0.292, probability of scoring is 0.0274 Marble version: Expected score per round is 0.0201, probability of scoring is 0.00294 Marble version (with non-blocking marbles): Expected score per round is 0.0292, probability of scoring is 0.00401

@nawarelsabaa

5 жыл бұрын

One of the comments above pointed out that the board skews the results in more ways than one: e.g. after a marble stops at 5, the other marbles would have a one less 5 to stand on, thus making the probability of the second marble stopping on a five slightly less than 1/6, and so on. Maybe that's where the difference stems from? In case you accounted for that, feel free to disregard this, but I hope it helps!

@NightGlyde

5 жыл бұрын

@@nawarelsabaa No, I didn't take that into account. Thanks for pointing it out! I'll have to update my code.

@nawarelsabaa

5 жыл бұрын

@@NightGlyde Glad I could help! Also, please post a reply when your new results show up. I'm Interested in seeing how this changes the probability.

@NightGlyde

5 жыл бұрын

@@nawarelsabaa I've updated my original post with new stats

@nawarelsabaa

5 жыл бұрын

@@NightGlyde that's a very significant difference after such a seemingly small change! Thanks for the update, and lots of fun in your future codings!

I noticed when the good Dr. Grime (what a cool name) was counting it didn't seem to be reflected by what he was picking up from on the board. I was thinking "Where is he getting these numbers from?" Something was definitely off, but I doubted myself enough to assume that maybe I was reading the board wrong. And then I noticed how the numbers above and below the marble spots are very close and could easily be confused. This was something I was questioning, was I looking at the number below instead of the number above or vice versa? It quickly becomes obvious how deviously designed this scam is and while I kind of caught onto it, I still second-guessed myself when he was adding up numbers that weren't legit. It's a pretty brilliant scam. Then again, I would never pay money to play a game like this because it's obvious it's a scam from the start. Great video, though! Thanks to Dr. Grime for demonstrating it!

I love James Grime! I've been following both this channel and Numberphile for over a year! Suu-whoop!

This was great. This first rounds of miscounts, I was doubting myself thinking that maybe it's the other number that gets counted. Even though I kept looking at the edges and re-verifying it was supposed to be the top number. So I can see how a pro scammer could easily do that in a crowd of people with the real excitement of winning.

OH MY GOD IT'S JAMES WHAT THEY KNOW EACH OTHER MY HAPPINESS IS REVIVED

Makes sense, the mean of the numbers 1-6 is 3.5 * 8 marbles = 28 is the avg. expected score. The ones that score no prizes or points are +-6 from the avg. a, which I would expect is a couple of std. deviations. 29 is so likely because it's only one away from average.

@timonix2

5 жыл бұрын

It get's worse. The balls are not independent events. If one ball lands in a 6 that spot is blocked. So the odds for another 6 is reduced

@kenj0418

5 жыл бұрын

The marbles are even more weighted towards the middle than the dice. Each of the dice is an independent roll, and 1-6 is equally likely. But with the marbles, if the first marble lands in a "1", then you have one fewer "1" hole to hope for. So the odds of getting eight "1"s on the marbles would be much worse than the 6^8 for the dice.

@kurt9395

5 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbellmusic3091 It's much more worse than that. If you look at the board, the numbers are not evenly distributed and are heavily skewed towards 3 and 4. 83 of the possible 143 positions (58%) are either 3 or 4.

Wow, good job Brian, I wasn't expecting this. I've been subscribed to Numberphile for years.

I’ve followed both of you for many years and it FILLS MY HEART THAT YR FRIENDS!

This was an incredible episode. I am fascinated by not only the scam but the math and mindset that you get into when you are playing this game. While Brian was playing I was trying to see what I could catch. I noticed in the beginning the miscalling of numbers and later on the blocking of the colored numbers but the math behind it was astonishing. I am geeking out about this so much right now. I would love to see more episodes like this. Again this was amazing.

Would you like some Grime with your Scam? Why yes. Yes I would.

@AhsimNreiziev

5 жыл бұрын

+

This is KZread at its absolute best. Fun, educational, better than T.V. Even the ad isn't intrusive. Bravo.

@scamschool

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, man!

This feels like a cross over made exclusively from someone stalking my watch history. Amazing and thank you!

@apple54345

5 жыл бұрын

i think he's onto us. we should probably back off a bit.

@apple54345

5 жыл бұрын

oops. sorry. that was meant as a reply to a different comment.

Blew my mind seeing this 'crossover'. I love Jame Grime's stuff!

Is nobody going to talk about that ad?

@ceruchi2084

5 жыл бұрын

CRINGE

@Squick99

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly I was mildly amused by it. The content creators need to make a living and ads are the main way to do it. I'd much prefer a funny ad voiced over by the content creator than a jarring stop and some Nascar ad comes on.

@TuberTugger

5 жыл бұрын

It is a lot harder to sell ads than it looks. sell ads... SALADS!

@jjohnston94

5 жыл бұрын

Only to say that it ends at 10:50.

@KingBobXVI

4 жыл бұрын

The only thing I had to say about it is that the stock footage girl at the beginning is hot. Then I skipped it.

His shirt has a bear smoking weed on it.

It's pretty wild that such a harmless ooking game can be so vicious. The distribution graph explanation was excellent.

For those curious why the marble version is more insidious than the dice... With the dice, each die is equally capable of rolling each number. Since the highest-possible and lowest-possible results are the 'preferred' to actually win, you can easily get lucky and get all 6s or all 1s. Look at the board. Each row has only one 6 and one 1. And column-wise, there are no 6s or 1s on the edges at all, they're all in just two columns toward the middle (but separated by three more columns, with columns of just 3/4 flanking directly.) When a marble lands in a 6, that six is no longer available. The pool of possible 6s is smaller. But each row has *FOUR* 4s, and the outer columns are entirely middle-numbers (the left two are just 3 and 4, the second-from-right likewise.) And the 1 and 6 alternate, so even if you figure out a way to throw the marbles well to get a bunch of them landing in the two columns of 1/6, they'll be likely to *SPLIT* high and low values, again averaging to a middle. The board is skewed _significantly_ toward getting "middle" numbers.

@Roxor128

5 жыл бұрын

Now that's an insightful observation! I completely missed that.

I've been razzle dazzled before. He used ping pong balls with numbers though and a fish net to scoop them out. got us for over $100.

@brucekidd1352

5 жыл бұрын

Let me guess, you were in the Caribbean...

@404killer

5 жыл бұрын

@webnothing lol

@theobscene1654

5 жыл бұрын

I saw a reveal on that one that showed that there are numbers on opposite ends of the ball so the guy can show you winners when it looks like you wanna bail.

@rodolfogarza8947

5 жыл бұрын

@@brucekidd1352 Close. I was an hour outside of Houston Tx at a Crawfish Festival

@texasbeast-2544

2 жыл бұрын

They got me for $180 yesterday

The number of people who commented on this video STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING THE TRICK, is a testament to how good a scam this is.

This is the collab that I never knew I needed

You should definitely collab with Alec Steele (awesome British blacksmith living in Montana). I mean the kid's literally barely in his twenties and making hecking awesome swords for a living.

@lazarus190

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't know I needed this until you pointed it out, though a Steele collab would be better for Modern Rogue.

This is the collab we never knew we needed

Two of my favorite channels and I’d never thought I’d see a collab

The brilliance of misscounting, is that no one will fight you because you misscount and made them win points, so only when you've made them win a ton, you could go and miscount one, but because you has counted on their favor, they wont doubt you later

@pietrayday9915

5 жыл бұрын

Besides that, the miscounting is being exaggerated here for a point: it doesn't need to be this obvious to work.

A really cool part about the miscounting is that you get points so even if you notice why would you point it out

I noticed James would be counting wrong. Adding or subtracting 1.

Great explanation. I've read about this before but seeing it in action is really something. And thanks for helping me understand the math!

Two of my favorite KZread personalities together in one spot?! What is this magnificence??!!??

"Is that real money?" "Yeah, but it's not much." "This is $400." Some of us have different definitions of 'not much'.

@BravoCharleses

5 жыл бұрын

WPR.

@archerelms

5 жыл бұрын

I think he meant not as much as it looks like lol it's not much for the amount of bills there

@Valandar2

5 жыл бұрын

@@archerelms Yeah, but then it's not as funny. :D

@ghoulishgam3r508

4 жыл бұрын

400 isn't even a months rent in a shitty appartment.

I noticed his counting wasn’t right! Great collab, this video was great!

I saw James Grime and Scam Nation and I thought I would just get another video on grime dice but I get this masterpiece.

I'm impressed of how many know of both Brian and James. Awesome colab, guys!

Brian and James - been following you both for years, and auto liked this vid before watching. Cheers to you both, keep rocking hard, and I'll watch the vid now. Thanks for all your work! ~ Steven Jacks

We all know where James is going with all those $1 bills.

This is honestly one of the weirdest and best crossovers i’ve Ever seen on KZread

The board odds are skewed even further than the dice because the 4 and 3 are far more common on the board than the 1 and 6, making the middle totals much more likely.

Ah so this is how EA figured out their strategies.

@L0j1k

5 жыл бұрын

No, EA got its strategies from its full-time staff of psychologists which has more psychologists than all the casinos in Las Vegas combined.

@TuberTugger

5 жыл бұрын

Open this chest and win 1-100 parts of a character. Hmm... sounds familiar. It might be possible that all in app purchase games are secretly razzle dazzling us.

@TheMrRuttazzo

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty much every single game containing some form of loot boxes or even simply tedious enemy farming with a 0,0001% chance of a "legendary" component. For the latter you might not necessarily spend money, but a lot of you lifetime instead, which in some way is even worse than just lose money.

@zyzzy-ko4ww

Жыл бұрын

Laughing Joking Numbnuts and Evil Anarchy team up to present... Razzle Dazzle The Video Game! The electronic Razzle-Dazzle board keeps changing so you'll never win!

Two legendary youtubers collab :)

I never thought of this crossover possible. I didn’t know I needed it until this very moment

I will never get tired of these guys together.

Hey Bushy, Have you ever done a video to show how "quick change artists" operate? I was managing a Taco Bell one night when a guy came in and started working on me. Thankfully I realized what was happening early on and grabbed the money I had out and made him start over, and wouldn't let him run his scam at lightning speed like he was trying to do. I'm a math guy but I was amazed at how quickly he was trying to change the game on me. A real eye opener. Starts out sounding simple but escalates FAST!

Thought I saw him mis count in the first one. but then I was like nah he's a maths guy I probably saw it wrong

@ceruchi2084

5 жыл бұрын

^^yes! This is what makes the scam so brilliant. It causes self-doubt.

I love discovering new channels like this!

holy shit. been binging old numberphile and scam school videos, and this pops up months later since ive subscribed...holy shit.

I'm sitting here thinking "Ok he has 31, he picks up a 3, now it's 34, but guy said 36 what?" see kids, being able to count is important.

@killmepls7865

4 жыл бұрын

That is the entire point of the scam

Give em' the ol' razzle-dazzle

Razzle dazzle is one of the best, worst scams I've ever seen. Looking at it clinically, I love it. It's so effective and so simple. Looking at it as a potential sucker, if someone with that board ever asked me to play a game, I'd have to seriously fight the urge to punch them.

Razzle dazzle was a frequently played scam game thrown at gullible tourists passing through Ludowici, Georgia on US 301 back in the 1950s and 1960s. Ludowici was also known for having a traffic light that was operated by a button in a barbershop to change from green to red without yellow. It was a money maker for the town.

Yeah. One time he uses the number below the hole, and the other time he adds the number above the hole. Hence why it seems James Grime cant count.

Giant wad of $1's - someone's headed to the strip club after filming ;)

@untitled6087

5 жыл бұрын

Imagine him taking that out of the bank....

@AndyLundell

5 жыл бұрын

@@untitled6087 People get stacks of ones from banks all the time. Anybody who regularly has to make change will accumulate large bills and need to get small bills from the bank. (The worst-case would be if you only sold a product that was $19.99, it'd be a rare customer who handed over exactly that amount. )

@untitled6087

5 жыл бұрын

Andy Lundell oh, I live in the UK - £1 notes aren’t a thing, so I didn’t consider it too much. I don’t know the ins and outs of all of us currency

The sad part is not only did a bunch of people get suckered out of their money by this game, but that somebody sat down and came up with this.

The colab I never knew I needed. Awesome video guys!

I knew something was off, I just kept second guessing myself (maybe I was supposed to pick the number on the other side?)

I thought his idea was to choose what number to add up: above the hole or below

@MrDannyDetail

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I did too, particularly when Brian also miscounted on his first three goes!

@ragnkja

5 жыл бұрын

Why are people so fucking stupid? That’s another way they can bamboozle the player/target

Fun fact! I saw a guy pulling this exact scam at a flea market. If I hadn't seen this video, I 100% would have considered playing

If you start to see them wanting to cash out, you can miscount them another win to hook them back in. Diabolical!

Couldn't you also bamboozle them by miscounting yourself?

I've seen a different version of this concept a few years back. Instead of a board it involved a big bowl with air blowing pingpong balls around and you had to scoop a ball with a fixed oversized spoon. (Fixed meaning it could only move as much as it was built to move) and I think I remember it being $20 a try and an additional $20 each try. The goal was 100 points but if you went over you busted. The premise of carnival games are so simplistic it borders genius, but it's never what it seems Haha.

Many, many years ago, I lost $4 playing a game similar to this, you rolled the marbles down and they landed in slots at the bottom, like the Plinko game on the Price is Right. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I knew something was not right. The next day at work, a coworker was talking about how he had gone to the same carnival, played the same game and lost $200. I couldn't believe he was that stupid, but now I see how they get you. Thanks for an awesome video!

@zyzzy-ko4ww

Жыл бұрын

Plinko is probably the only game on The Price Is Right where (the unlikely event of) a perfect score ISN'T considered a "win"... but at least there you only have to defy 59000-to-1 odds, not 59-billion-to-1 odds!

The doubling of your bets to cut back on losses is also counteracted by table limits. With a table limit of $500 and a minimum of $5, your bets would go 5, 10, 20, 40, 80, 160, 320, and then you'd be unable to double again to recoup your losses.

@MrDannyDetail

5 жыл бұрын

Is a table limit and a minimum fixed into law where you are then? Or are you just theorising about this scenario (if say the game was set-up in casino with such house rules)? Also I don't suppose someone operating an illegal game like this would bother to follow a table limit law (or house rule) if they were already breaking another law just by running the game.