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When I first heard this poem in middle school, I was spellbound and went on to read several stories from Poe and still consider him one of my favorite writers

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

He’s fantastic!

if you haven’t read it before, I recommend reading Poe’s essay “The Philosophy of Composition”, where he breaks down the exact mechanical “logic” that he went though in order to built this poem from the ground up. it’s a really fascinating insight into his frame of mind, especially in the form of lyric poetry!

@TheCodeXCantina

Жыл бұрын

Very cool. Thanks for the recommendation

Great Poem and great discussion. I think too often people ignore Poe the Poet, almost forgetting that The Raven is actually a poem. Poe's poetry has a broad appeal which snobbish people might hold against him, but there is a read beauty in the cadence/tempo of Poe's lines and word choices. The changing rhythms of the words in The Raven heighten the intensity of the lines and highlights how close the narrator is to insanity.

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Great point!

Just would add that the bust the raven perches on is that of Pallas (Athena, goddess of wisdom). He takes the trouble to name it, so I would say it was important. Glad you are starting to discuss some of Poe’s work. He was a huge influence on the European Romantic writers, especially in France. And was more popular there than here for a while.

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed!

@andrewvelonis5940

2 ай бұрын

I was going to mention that as well.

THE RAVEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! One of my favorite poems! I've actually begun memorizing it recently.))

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! I think we were in sync on timing for Idiot too. Strange coincidence

@andrewvelonis5940

2 ай бұрын

So have I. It really allows you to get a deep understanding.

“The way he exudes this sickly obsession, onto something that is not even deserving of receiving that attention, this raven..” 🐦‍⬛ omg 😱 the horror of what he just said 💔my heart hurts, poor raven 🫀🙏

I don't if you guys know about the album 'Tales of Mystery and Imagination' by The Alan Parsons Project from 1976. This is an complete album about EAP's short stories/poems. And of course there is a song 'the raven' on it

The most important way for me to understand The Raven is the context it was written in. People of all ages used to die in the 1800s so Lenore can represent anyone that the audience has recently lost. Grief was a common state people of the 1800s found themselves in.

I fell in love with this poem when I heard The Raven by Omnia for the first time. And don't know how to thank you :))))) you're just awesome!

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Nooice

I'm with Krypto! YEEEEESSSSS! I had a professor who said Poe believed every word in a poem had value and should create a singular effect. The Raven I have always felt was more of a ballad than a poem. I love the way Poe perfectly expresses how grief and loss (the longer it goes on - consuming) can overrun rationale and make the grieving appear insane. I always considered 'the book of forgotten lore' like a photo album or memory book, where he was almost grieving the memories that were slipping away with time. &, that in trying to hang onto those memories, he welcomed the raven as someone he could pour out his guilt and grief upon, but also speak out his memories and tell of his love. Maybe I put too positive a spin on it. 🤷‍♀

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, great thoughts!

You guys really helped me understand this poem up to some extent! Maybe if I read it out loud, I'll understand fully!

Yesss Krypto, learning the mechanics of poetry and short stories infinitely increases my enjoyment of them as well! Love this guys, and love that you are exploring poetry.

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

Ah! The Raven!! I’m hoping to make that into a song soonish! 😊

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t wait to hear it!

Been a while dined I've read this one too! Enjoyed the discussion 😊

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

It was very nostalgic to return to!

Poe chose the raven because, like parrots, ravens and crows can be trained to speak.

Oh, I could discuss this at length. I agree on some points, but let me give you guys a couple of corrections: It is mentioned a couple of times that the bird flies in, and near the end, one of you says it flies away. Wrong. "Open here I flung the shutter, when with many a flirt and flutter, in there stepped a stately raven..." And at the end, the raven "still is sitting, still is sitting..." You mention that the narrator is trying to get to sleep, or is getting ready for bed. Not quite. He is trying to bury his mind in obscure literature to escape the pain of dwelling on his loss. My inference is that if he just went to bed, his mind would be so occupied with her that he would not be able to sleep.

@TheCodeXCantina

2 ай бұрын

Thanks. I don't remember the Raven leaving either. Did one of us mention that in the context of this being cyclical for the narrator part of the discussion?

@andrewvelonis5940

2 ай бұрын

@@TheCodeXCantina 11:18

@TheCodeXCantina

2 ай бұрын

@@andrewvelonis5940 Correct, we were talking about this being a repeating experience. Sorry for the confusion. Cheers.

A raven is a big azz bird, I wouldn't be getting aggressive with it. In all seriousness Poe is brilliant, he created an entire genre of entertainment

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

😂

IMA have to wear my "Nevermore!" tshirt today!

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Ha!

@bighardbooks770

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheCodeXCantina Yep ... I wore in the tag video I just tagged y'all in 😜

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

@@bighardbooks770 I’ll have to check it out later once I’m off work!!

Great video, guys. Technically Ravens can "talk", so it makes you wonder where that Raven's been. That bird has seen some shit. "Nevermore" Cheers!

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Heh!

@andrewvelonis5940

2 ай бұрын

From some unhappy master whose misfortune followed fast and followed faster

So what you’re saying is, this is where they got the idea for the movie, 50 First Dates?

@TheCodeXCantina

2 жыл бұрын

Basically 😂

Edgar Allan Poe never wrote "The Raven," he merely claimed it as a kind of 19th-century "identity theft." The poem's premiere was submitted anonymously to "American Review" under the pseudonym "---- Quarles" by the true author, Mathew Franklin Whittier, younger brother of poet John Greenleaf Whittier. Poe, a critic for the New York "Evening Mirror," finding the poem in an advance copy of "American Review," scooped Mathew in his own paper by two days. Mathew had shared a copy of "The Raven" with Poe in early 1842, so Poe had a handwritten copy in his possession. This enabled him to convince his editor that he had permission to scoop "American Review"--but he mysteriously left the "Mirror" shortly afterwards (suggesting that he may have been fired for lying about it). It is the height of absurdity that the editor of a newly-launched monthly literary magazine like the "Review," would have given a daily newspaper this permission. The real author was not in a position to reveal his identity because of his anti-slavery work and connection with the Underground Railroad, and hence could not publicly defend himself. See my paper, "Evidence that Edgar Allan Poe Stole 'The Raven' from Mathew Franklin Whittier," or the more condensed version intended for scholarly journals, entitled "Edgar Allan Poe’s Plagiarism of Mathew Franklin Whittier’s Poem, “The Raven," each of which can be downloaded from the following links. They can also be found by searching for each paper's' title on Academia.edu. www.ial.goldthread.com/MFW_The_Raven.pdf www.ial.goldthread.com/MFW_The_Raven_condensed.pdf

@GemmmaPlumm

7 ай бұрын

Wait what?! That is painfully interesting...

The most famous American poem, known around the world for almost 200 years, and Poe supposedly sold the rights to it for around $10 so he could spend a night on the town and pay off a few gambling debts. If he only knew...

@TheCodeXCantina

Жыл бұрын

Crazy!