Let's do something fun! Who lives closest to the piece of debris in Australia? Where you at? - Shoutout to Ground News for making this video possible, check it out here: ground.news/primal

@eddiefletch64

Жыл бұрын

Damn ground news looks pretty good ngl, also I’m Australian lol but on the east coast

@Tripintrios

Жыл бұрын

Um it was in New south whales right next to the snowy mountains

@getahanddown

Жыл бұрын

Speaking of that. Pretty sure the US had to pay Australia when Skylab came down

@squeakymonjure

Жыл бұрын

Pretty cool that ground news, I live in South West Vic!

@ArwinaThePlanet

Жыл бұрын

5 comments? *let me fix that*

Imagine suddenly hearing a loud bang while sleeping so you wake up only to find that there’s a rocket fuel tank in your room

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Right?! Talk about a stressful morning.

@jmi5969

Жыл бұрын

What's inside, kerosene or hydrazine? well, I guess in the latter case there'll be no wakeup.

@WinWin-pz9wq

Жыл бұрын

The inside is liquid oxygen and kerosene oh also let’s say there is probably no “wake up”…

@jmi5969

Жыл бұрын

​@@WinWin-pz9wq Hey, we pay big bills just to survive through the winter and here comes three years' supply of fuel. Let lox evaporate, and enjoy the fortune. Anyway, much safer than storing trucked gas in underground tanks.

@45hr52

Жыл бұрын

God damn it. I can't even turn my back for 2 seconds before a second stage to liquid fuel booster crashes through my ceiling

Fun fact: NASA was fined $400 for littering by the Shire of Esperance for Skylab re-entering. They never paid until a radio host did it for them.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting! I'll have to look that one up!

@geronimo5537

Жыл бұрын

How to sum up NASA in two sentences. Expensive enough to take on the mission. Too cheap to clean it up after.

@0Sirk0

Жыл бұрын

AND IT KILLED A COW!

@pjludda4323

11 ай бұрын

@@geronimo5537 Heh, so exactly like SpaceX!

If the ownership of the space debris is automatic to the builder, then the responsibility of removing it and cleaning it up should also go to the builder.

@jensaugust743

Жыл бұрын

That's also the case, lol.

@KobrokoHere

10 ай бұрын

The bill goes to SpaceEx if the local authorities clean up

@ArabianKnight63

10 ай бұрын

Exactly but they write laws to suit their profit. Imagine a scenario where the debris is of no use to them, the land owners owes the mess and when it has some data then they ll rush to show us the law if ownership, instead should be pay up basis

@roger7341

7 ай бұрын

Once a spacecraft has been smashed into hundreds or thousands of fragments, how is their owner identified? And is it the owner's fault if a different owner's spacecraft impacted it?

I was really hoping you were going to cover the cow that was killed in Cuba when a piece of a US rocket fell on it. The incident made it so that no US rocket ever flew over Cuba again until SpaceX got permission to start again a few years back. Great video btw!

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Omg yes I've heard about that! Poor cow 😥

@1224chrisng

Жыл бұрын

they just restarted flying over Cuba again, but they're mandating automated FTS systems, so only Falcon 9 can fly that trajectory for now

@dr4d1s

Жыл бұрын

@@1224chrisng I didn't think that flight actually happened yet. I thought it was given a different trajectory a couple days before launch and they never came back to it.

@1224chrisng

Жыл бұрын

@@dr4d1s they did plenty now, mostly Starlinks, look up the Polar Corridor

@dr4d1s

Жыл бұрын

@@1224chrisng thanks for that, i appreciate you taking the time to answer. I guess I didn't realize the polar corridor flew over cuba. I thought that was what the dog leg was for, to avoid it. TIL.

People need to clean up after themselves... *even in space!* 😂

@ch4.hayabusa

Жыл бұрын

Nah, Elon senpai doesn't have to clean up his mess. His mess makes me happy.

@NC_Isro_64

Жыл бұрын

*low earth orbit

@Nexus69420

Жыл бұрын

I can agree with this.

@ethan.salazar4092

Жыл бұрын

It’s not possible

@reggiep75

Жыл бұрын

@@ethan.salazar4092 - Give me a solution then.... *if you even have one.*

I wonder if in the future, debris we left on celestial bodies like the moon and mars will be considered a historic site and space tourists could visit them and admire the remains of our long lost robotic pioneers.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

I think the coolest thing would be to go and visit the Apollo 11 landing site on the Moon. To be able to just walk around that would be endlessly fascinating!

@technoquetz126

Жыл бұрын

@@primalspace yeah especially since it’s basically eternally preserved, those footprints will be there for at least a million years unless solar storms mess them up, it would be cool for tourists on the moon like 500 years from now to visit the Apollo 11 site and see it exactly how it was over 550 years earlier

@thunderbird1921

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, Apollo 12 (the second human moon landing) touched down within walking distance of the robotic Surveyor 3 spacecraft. So the astronauts got to see a "historic site", if you will. I think they might have even recovered stuff from it. Maybe someday humans will touch down on Mars, and be greeted by one of the rovers driving up to their camp!

@technoquetz126

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderbird1921 it could be cool if they bring one of the rovers back to earth, obviously that would be kinda heavy though so maybe not

@LSF17

Жыл бұрын

@@primalspace but won’t the footprints be distributed and erased if that happened? It’s not just all about flags and descent stages you know 😢

That Soviet satellite that fell in northern Canada could have landed on the densely-populated US east coast had it done one more orbit. Thank goodness it landed in such a remote area.

@captainjirk9564

Жыл бұрын

Might've led to the end of the cold war.

@history-jovian

Жыл бұрын

@@captainjirk9564 with a new world war.

@paulmaxwell8851

4 ай бұрын

It was too close for comfort. I was out walking the dog that day, and it missed me by only 2,500 km. What a close shave!

Nice work, as always. Just for the record, the repeated shot of junk falling around the water tower is debris falling back to the pad it was launched from, albeit in the shape of a rocket.

My favorite space moment was the James Webb Space Telescope launch and watching the first images be revealed!

@imho2278

Жыл бұрын

This is a thread about space debris.

@Astro_Aves

Жыл бұрын

@@imho2278 i was doing what he said to do to win the giveaway?

I guess my favorite Space Moment was watching the Apollo 13 Splashdown, during School Hours. The Teachers shut down Classes and brought in the TVs. I was 10 at the time, but understood/knew more about the Mission than most of the Teachers.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Love this! So many moments like this watching in awe from school with friends and teachers. Very cool. Thank you for sharing.

When I was eight years old, my best friend and I promised each other that we would share Skylab if it fell in either of our yards. Alas, we did not acquire Skylab. On a related note, I recall reading a book about a group of friends that set out on a one year trek in the Northwest Territories. They canoed through the summer and built a crude log cabin for the winter. They were camped on a very remote inaccessible lake when fragments of Cosmos 954 crashed through the ice. They saw it land and investigated the site. They were shocked when they were suddenly scooped up by the Canadian military, flown back to civilization, tested for radiation poisoning, and then dumped back in the wilderness. If anyone knows the name of this book, please tell me. I would love to read it again.

@stephenplayz8265

Жыл бұрын

Its called Operation Morning Light!

@LifesLaboratory

Жыл бұрын

@@stephenplayz8265 That's a book I'd like to read as well, thanks. But that was about the search. The book I'm looking for was written by a wilderness adventurer, who just happened to get scooped up in Operation Morning Light. Cheers.

Somewhere among my late Father's photos is one of a piece of a rocket that fell in the bush of Zambia. We lived there at the time, Dad was a pilot flying in and out of remote places. The locals had this piece propped against a (?)tree. There was still visible parts of "USA" painted on it, which clearly shows on the photo. When NASA wanted the thing back, the locals wanted money, so NASA told them to bugger off and keep it!

@2degucitas

Жыл бұрын

Was he flying for MAF?

@johnjones4825

Жыл бұрын

@@2degucitas ZFDS....Zambia flying doctor service. Right now I'm looking at the gift he received when he left them in 1972, up on my bookshelf!

@dbh_

10 ай бұрын

What year was it?

@johnjones4825

10 ай бұрын

@@dbh_ When it fell I couldn't say, but the photo was likely taken in 1969/70, possibly '71.

2:40 actually there is another case where NASA' got a $400 Littering Ticket For Skylab Debris in Australia

@maxpower7150

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but they didnt pay. A radio station did as a joke

@MrHichammohsen1

Жыл бұрын

@@maxpower7150 Still counts

@imho2278

Жыл бұрын

Bits were sold off.

Wait so your telling me that when I get a random drop of rain on a clear summers day... that's actually Buzz Aldrin's urine?! I am blessed.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@1rr3gular

Ай бұрын

@@primalspace HHHHHHHHYYYHHHHHHHHHH

They barely mention this awful situation on the news. I didn’t have any idea of how bad and dangerous it is. Thank you very much! 🙏🏻👍🏻👏🏻

@primalspace

6 ай бұрын

And thank you for watching. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.

My favorite space moment was watching sn8 fly live when I had three streams open and I was freaking out and yelling! It was so awesome though!

This might be the first time I've thought to myself "That GoPro needs therapy" lol

Frozen space pee being categorized as space debris is not the info I wanted to know but here we are.

I thought it would be forbidden to launch nuclear materials towards outer space. Great and informative video.

@unitrader403

Жыл бұрын

i am pretty sure the Story in the Video happened before these Agreements were made to limit their use and set safety standards. Also some Probes do use Nuclear Decay as Power Source, because its reliable over a long time in Environments where Solar Power is not feasible. The Perseverance Rover is a good and recent example of this.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

An extra note on this incident - satellites with nuclear reactors are meant to eject the reactors into a graveyard orbit, where they will remain in space for thousands of years. This one failed to eject.

@dalentoews3418

Жыл бұрын

Deep space satellite use radioactive decay waste heat as their heat source. Launch vehicles have a much higher safety requirement than other launches.

@memethief4113

Жыл бұрын

specifically nuclear weapons aren't allowed to be put in orbit, nuclear material is used for many missions where solar panels wouldn't be effective, since the radioactive decay produces waste heat which can be turned into electricity, providing a constant supply for over 10,000 years

Thank you for the progress bar on your advertisement, very solid. Great video too!

@primalspace

9 ай бұрын

Thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed the video!

Excellent video, thanks!

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Thanks AJ!

Great work! I love these channel!

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrei!

@andreimihai9022

Жыл бұрын

Video suggestion: ESA's new SUSIE program

Back in 1969 I was hit with a piece of the saturn rocket. It left a cut on my leg. It was still hot. I just dusted myself off and got back to work.

Saw a booster come down once. Just over 10 years ago now. We could tell from the speed and the shape that it was artificial. It didn't land anywhere near us, it down in the Atlantic judging by it's direction.

@danzstuff

9 ай бұрын

Cool

@MeneTekelUpharsin

Ай бұрын

Did you hear about it in the news?

@bazpearce9993

Ай бұрын

@@MeneTekelUpharsin Yes it was on the news later. But the video didn't show much.

I liked the new animations but the 2d photo animations with the smoke was the coolest part to me lol.

If the ISS when it's scheduled to fall to earth in 2031 lands in my back garden, it's going on ebay!

@SuprSBG1

Жыл бұрын

I’ll place starting bid of 1K

@imho2278

Жыл бұрын

If you still have a back garden. The cupola is big.

🎶 _Let's talk about space debris, let's talk about you and me! Let's talk about all the boosters and the rockets that may be!_ 🎶

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha I wish I could give multiple "likes" to this comment. I'm going to be singing this all day now.

@andie_pants

Жыл бұрын

@@primalspace 😁

Interesting. Thanks.

I studied space law back in my college and cover space debris for my final assigment journal... With amount of rocket launch into the space, its just surprising that is almost little to none mandatory requirment for any goverment or private entity to clean up after the end of satelite life, there is only orbital burn, and graveyard orbit... There is several space debris cleaning project but its really need support form International community, since by International law, the only one has right to do something about their debris is the Country that own the satelite...

If a company wants to retain ownership of something that lands on MY Property, they are going to be paying a massive, Daily Rent as long as the debris sits on my property. WAY MORE "IF" there are dangerous substances on-board.

I got mentally stuck at “3 businessmen who were on a vacation”.

The starship debris is a interesting case since it never went to space I don't think the OST applies, and since it wasn't government property, starship debris from sub orbital tests is finders keepers.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

You might be right about that! But I can't help but feel SpaceX must still have a right in that scenario to get those pieces back

@stillatwork

Жыл бұрын

@@primalspace probably depends on airplanes debris law (which I don't know off the top of my head) since they were effectively experimental aircraft for those sub orbital hops. Edit: found this on Wikipedia about Aircraft Archeology (which seems relevant) "If an aircraft wreck, or the remains of any aviation property, is located on private land it is not automatically protected by any federal, state, or local law.." so yeah finders keepers seems to be the law of the land unless its a federal plane (including military) or under federal investigation for an aircrash.

Neat little video I'm going to sub

I think thats an awesome sponsorship, for once it’s something I would use

Sounds pretty fair. If a company refuses to remove it, you either take ownership or have the city remove it for disposal and have them bill said company. Love to see the litigation on wrangling payment on those haul aways.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Haha for sure!

The country the debri falls on could look at it as a nuisance or a material gain, JUST hopefully no one got hurt or anything destroyed-- AND we should be looking to collect material just whipping up there in space, right in our zones. (if so, there should've been insurance for THIS)

Space companies should have a debris buyback program

I have a broken, charred bolt that I assume is one of the exploding bolts they used to use in stage separation. My gramps found it when he was 28. It may not be what I think but it doesn't look like any other ordinary broken bolt.

5:10 A small correction: it was actually part of the TRUNK attached to the Cargo/Crew Dragon capsule. This is where the solar panels and radiators are located, as well as the unpressurized cargo, and the fins help provide stability in the event of a launch abort.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

I say and show that in the video

@Tymptra

Жыл бұрын

Smartest KZread commenter.

@colinberg3342

Жыл бұрын

@@primalspace You do say its part of the capsule which is where I think the confusion is from.

2:11 I like how they don't specify the temperature scale, because they don't have to.

I'm Canadian and 60 years old and NEVER heard this before

Awesome video

good video. I noticed your image shows NSW and you said the debris landed in Western Australia...

@devlinwalters7650

Жыл бұрын

I'd say he may have crossed wires there,The pieces discovered in WA were of SkyLab at the end of the Apollo era.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

You hit the nail on the head! My bad, I had written an extra bit in about Skylab but deleted 🤦‍♂️

Very good video, thanks! Just a minor nit-pik: you stated the debris was found in Western Australia, but then the map showed it landed in Eastern Australia.

Kinda upbeat reporting on what will soon be common: space debris raining down on the world, with no thought of the consequences…

@primalspace

4 ай бұрын

Really hoping to see more cleanup / retrieval efforts made in the future.

Debris from space is still owned by… the owners. It’s no different than a car or truck crashing into your house. You don’t suddenly own it just because it’s on your property.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

That's what I said in the video!

@ericy.2108

Жыл бұрын

@@primalspace why did the Boca Chica guy get to keep and sell Starship debris if SpaceX wanted it back?

@biplabkumarghosh6300

Жыл бұрын

@@ericy.2108 Spacex probably didn't want to sue him, especially considering they already have hundreds of pieces to analyse

@JohnWilliamNowak

Жыл бұрын

That is probably untrue in most jurisdictions.

The SpaceX piece that landed in Australia was from the trunk, not the capsule.

That woman... Can you imagine the chances of not only being hit by space debris, but also that it was a piece small and light enough that somehow survived reentry, but also didn't kill you so you can tell your family and friends about it? I think you would be more likely to win the lottery twice.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

And think about how more likely that is to happen now 😱

Who knew when space debris lands on your house and call it a museum.

is there a straight trajectory for debris to fall? As in, a typical line of how the debris falls into the layers of atmosphere, via a "track", which is common amongst debris found? So then you roughly guesstimate the site to which debris falls? Or is it geographically common for your example of China?-send a rocket and it fails within said place of origin of launch? As I am just curious about round vs flat universe...and if "flat", then there would be a trajectory estimate-if launch is successful, no? And does insurance cover getting "struck by space debris"? Asking for a friend...

I wish that in the future, we will return rocket stages (SpaceX and Blue Origin are already doing this) and find the way to return existing space debris from the orbit.

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

I hope so as well.

@thecyanadon

Жыл бұрын

Starship could in theory do that.

Ground News is wonderful!

My Parents lived in Texas and had some pieces of Colombia land in their trees.

I feel like space debris falling back down to Earth is the desired outcome when compared to how that same debris could rather be orbiting Earth and hitting spacecraft at tens of kilometres a second.

Another reason why SpaceX Starship is something to really looking forwards for than just another rocket that'll just go up into space and back, just hoping they'll make it a thing to make sure everything is not wasted away.

@primalspace

4 ай бұрын

Agreed.

great vid

I don't know where you obtained your photos of space objects around Earth, but they look as though they are from the 60s or early 70s since I have seen them in 1992 when working at NavSpaSur and the density was much thicker. All the objects (every one) is tracked by our space fence and their decay is tracked. Of course, that is the US, what China and Russia do, I have no idea. Advancements always have their caveats. Just think, it may not be a rocket piece that bonks you on the head. It may be a real meteorite. But is it yours at that point?

Constellation urine! Always wondered if some still orbited earth.

A huge amount of that liability is gonna end up on Space X I'm assuming

@allegorx58

Жыл бұрын

They deal in rockets. I’m sure they can handle the liability.

Any jettisoned material can have a retro rocket that can aim the deorbit for a safe target zone. Dropping your junk on some ones person or property is in-excusable and should be heavily fined.

0:29 just spotted Elon Musk with maraca's Nice one @Primal Space

I did enjoy this video

Very informative

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

1:00 how did they get the footage back? was it not being streamed? what would be the point of putting a camra on it if it wasnt gona be viewable and you werent planing on getting it back?

collecting metal scraps from spaceships is some starscape drone hunting type shit

Space debris is supposed to burn up on re-entry but that was always a belief especially in more recent times.

Space cleaner will be a good job in the future funded by all countries according to capacity , I remember an anime about Space which had a Debri section whose only job was to clear dangerous Leftovers in space

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

So true. I can absolutely see some version of this becoming a reality.

7:42 is very misleading. The only piece of Starship SN11 that went 7km was not metal, but just a piece of lightweight insulation (the piece shown at 7:47). I have no idea what those other pieces were, but if they were from SN11, they were found in the fields just next to the launch area. In fact, the StarshipGazer footage of the large piece also shows orange tape on the right side, hinting that it was in or next to an area that was taped off to try to keep the public out, so obviously it was very close to the launch/landing area. Also, at 7:57 you mention heat shield tiles, but no Starship with heat shield tiles has flown yet, so that also isn't right.

New Fear Unlocked: Being hit by a piece of space debri

Interesting that there was nothing recognizable on the "crater" allegedly left by Flight 93.

@lorriecarrel9962

Жыл бұрын

That is because there was no jet plane that crashed,anyone with a IQ over 70 can figure that out

The worst case scenario would be a piece of space junk taking out a passenger jumbo carrying a couple of hundred people.

@imho2278

Жыл бұрын

Which then crashes into an office tower block, which then crumples onto the street, which then drops into the subway....

@Jumpingjackflash123

Жыл бұрын

@@imho2278 Or falls on a nuclear silo then Russia attacks USA

Makes me think of a song "Space Junk" by DEVO!!!!!

Space x doesn’t need that piece of metal washed to shore, you should ship it to your house and keep it in your basement (jk I’m glad I got to see that awesome shot of it coming back to earth)

China trying to respect life in any way challenge: impossible

it's not a problem, it's a solution.

Take out the starlink satellites and the exponential increase in satellites becomes a linear increase. And SpaceX does intend on deorbiting their starlinks safely.

Ethically if a piece of space debris fell over a country, the spacecraft's owner should cough up the cash if it wants to retrieve it. If I were the only one to ever retrieve it, I would absolutely sell it for cash.

@kalebgullan4157

Жыл бұрын

Man that’s literally the smallest fraction of an issue to them..

Funny thing is even when you have infinite amount of space you still have to clean up your after yourself

They have the audacity to think that they are getting the junk back they put into space if it falls into someone's backyard, let alone harms someone. It should cost them thousands or more to the land owner for putting them at risk.

People: “hey what do we do with this?” Government: “oh thats a old rocket part just let it either cook in the atmosphere or fall into the ocean” Fish: “beautiful day today, wait whats that thing in the sky. AHHH” *fish dies*

But in the philippines. A rocket debris landed on Cagayan though.

it is bcoz of u i become space fan

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

So cool 😁 welcome to space Daniel!

This is just a regular day in KSP for me

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

I hear one video saying the tiny pieces are bad, due to the speed that might not be seen and can cause catastrophic damage to Satellites. I hear this video saying the big pieces are bad, because those are what make it back down to Earth.

@NinoJoel

Жыл бұрын

The video was focused on what's bad for the people down here. And not spacecraft

Not sure it landed in WA, I reckon it was on the East Coast,maybe NSW.

Favorite space moment is SpaceX starship.

I heard Rocket Lab (RKLB) was going to help clean up the space debris, but I wonder who will flip the bill.

Thanks

We were living in NWT, Canada, the searchers found radio active particles in my back yard!

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Pretty wild!

@user-jc2we4sn1i

4 ай бұрын

Magnetic north focuses cosmic rays of how nuclear is essential for propulsion since even diborane fuel to condense oxidizer from air is still too limited,

A shooting star might be an astronauts's digestive burrito.

Finding a full fueltank ... nice !

Imagine you are random person eating dinner and you heard a crash and realize There is an ion engine on your plate

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

LOL yeeeaaaaah not the most appetizing 😅😅

Saw the remains of Skylab in the 70's that fell in Australia.

You forgot about large chunks of Skylab falling in Western Australia when it was decommissioned.

@memesfromdeepspace1075

Жыл бұрын

And Australia fined NASA for ilegal trash dumping

@bravoalpha101st

Жыл бұрын

Esperance fined NASA $400 for littering when that happened.

we really need to build a small orbital vehicle that can go around collecting all the junk and pushing it down to earth for a more controlled and targeted descent. most of this stuff is orbiting for a year before it comes back down, plenty of time for a small remote craft to give it a nudge and yeet it towards an ocean rather than land.

@primalspace

11 ай бұрын

Agreed. There must be a better way to manage our debris.

Imagine if one day some of that debris lands on an island with an uncontacted tribe

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

haha glad you enjoyed that one!

Six million dollars? That's just one Malibu house.

Great now that piece of metal is gonna come down from space and spear me while im sleeping. New fear unlocked!

@primalspace

Жыл бұрын

😅😅 sorry about that!

@gandalflotr2898

Жыл бұрын

If you're Survive you can sell it to exotic Collectors

2:38 That may be the only LIABILITY claim from one country to another, but in 1979 Australia DID charge the United States with littering when Skylab crashed here and sent them the fine ... a whopping FOURTY DOLLAR fine.