The ProCo RAT Distortion & RAT-Alikes: King Of The Dirt Pedals? That Pedal Show

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In this episode we get down and dirty with arguably the king of classic distortion devices: the not-so humble ProCo Rat. In equal parts loved, despised, revered and feared, its contribution to music over the past 40 years is immeasurable. Dan has always been a fan, me less so, but this episode has definitely made me rethink everything I thought I knew about the raucous rodent!
We run through a bunch of Rat and Rat-alikes and ask most of the obvious questions. It begs a follow-up episode featuring more of the more contemporary takes on the circuit, but as ever we can’t do every pedal in one episode. Enjoy!
Pedals in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research ST-300 Turbo Tuner Mini
USA: bit.ly/2AYjob5
Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• ProCo Rat (White Face, old)
No longer made
• ProCo Rat (old reissue)
No longer made
• ProCo Rat 2 (current standard model)
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2Tmovw3
USA: bit.ly/3s2Apez
• JAM Pedals Rattler
UK: bit.ly/3DTd7tR
USA: bit.ly/3oP7icx
Australia: bit.ly/3GJehdm
www.jampedals.com/rattler/
• Arc Effects Soothsayer
arc-effects.com/
• JHS / ProCo Rat 2 Pack Rat
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2IiFnhE
Australia: bit.ly/2jVePEy
• Mooer Black Secret
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2TCz9Oi
• Walrus Audio Iron Horse
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2TmXQiE
USA: bit.ly/3wLKCOU
Australia: bit.ly/2tX7U2I
• 1981 Boss DS-1
No longer made
• Ibanez Tube Screamer Mini
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2dRVXa2
USA: imp.i114863.net/ad33M
• Walrus Audio ARP-87 Delay
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2khFrA2
USA: bit.ly/3ynnSU2
Australia: bit.ly/2xXMsvF
• Walrus Audio Fathom Reverb
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2Jxexiz
USA: bit.ly/3IGZ0vc
Australia: bit.ly/2JsVFRM
• TheGigRig G2
www.thegigrig.com/g2
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Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro playing: 0:00
- What are we doing today? 1:33
- Famous Rat users? 2:57
- Today’s amps and a Marshall tangent: 4:09
- Tube Screamer for reference: 7:23
- Boss DS-1 for reference: 8:53
- The filter control? 12:50
- The other Rats today: 14:50
- Dan’s old Big Box Rat: 16:00 (16:45)
- …and with Mick’s Strat? 19:40
- …and Dan’s ’61 Les Paul Junior
- Low gain through to gating: 22:40
- Clean up off the volume pot: 23:25
- Jam Pedals Rattler: 27:58
- Rattler with Mick’s Strat: 30:35
- Tube Screamer with Rattler: 32:43
- Arc Effects Soothsayer: 33:20 (35:15)
- JHS Pack Rat: 39:45
- Vocally midrange and a neck humbucker: 44:45
- Walrus Audio Iron Horse: 48:21
- Mooer Black Secret: 54:00
- All on? Surely not: 59:14
Guitars and amps used today:
• Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
• 1961 Gibson Les Paul Junior - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2r9lRJZ
• G&L Fullerton Deluxe ASAT Special: glguitars.com/product/fullerto...
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335: no video yet
• Marshall 1987x and 1960AX cabinet with 4 x 12-inch Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3v3Xazc
• Sovtek MIG50 with Zilla custom 1x12 with WGS12L speaker
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  • @BeesWaxMinder
    @BeesWaxMinder3 жыл бұрын

    The RAT is the “Tele” of stomps IMHO!

  • @honestmusicreviews
    @honestmusicreviews5 жыл бұрын

    Dan - 1. Never put that SG jr down 2. Always keep a RAT variant on your board 3. Never let Mick turn your gain down. Brilliant episode! Thanks

  • @codybaggett9741
    @codybaggett97415 жыл бұрын

    "I just figured out what Josh does in all his pedals: makes them loud with high headroom. That is what makes them sound good."-Mick "Loud is more good." -Josh

  • @FrozenCharlottes

    @FrozenCharlottes

    5 жыл бұрын

    Its funny because its true

  • @LithiumGrim

    @LithiumGrim

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, actually no. When adding (hard)clipping diodes to a circuit it will logically lower the overall volume as it clips the amplitude of the wave. In the middle setting there are no clipping diodes in the circuit, thus making it sound louder or better said, not lowering the volume anymore. This has very little (=nothing) to do with headroom. Different diodes have different forward voltages and in that way have different effects on the overall volume of the pedal.

  • @andymellor9056

    @andymellor9056

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@LithiumGrim Because Headroom has to do with the Op Amp, Correct?

  • @LithiumGrim

    @LithiumGrim

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@andymellor9056 Yes, and for the most part determined by the supply voltage to the opamp. Most pedals use +9V and ground (0V) for an opamp. If you use a 18V supply (when possible!!!) it will increase the headroom of the pedal (not the amp!!). Actually, it is more determined by the difference between V+ and V- of the opamp. If you put +9V to V+ and - 9V to V - you also get 18V :)

  • @gerryjamesedwards1227

    @gerryjamesedwards1227

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@andymellor9056 just as Arnold said, but I just wanted to add the fact that different op-amps will vary in how close the output voltage can approach to the supply voltage. Some of the older chips couldn't get within a half volt of the negative supply. I understand that this was mainly down to inherent mismatches in the Npn and Pnp transistors, an issue that has pretty much been solved in more recent, higher end chips. Also the inherent noise of the op-amps can vary widely between different types.

  • @KingEvan87
    @KingEvan875 жыл бұрын

    Dan’s uncontrolled giggling and mick covering his ears when Dan is making those amazing obnoxious noises through the JHS rat is what playing guitar is all about. So good.

  • @RodClark
    @RodClark5 жыл бұрын

    I'm convinced that the tone knobs on a Marshall aren't actually connected to anything. LOL.

  • @markferguson3745

    @markferguson3745

    5 жыл бұрын

    Funny, felt the same about most of my Fenders-

  • @elonmush4793

    @elonmush4793

    5 жыл бұрын

    yeah the old Marshalls don't change sounds much

  • @RAndrewNeal

    @RAndrewNeal

    5 жыл бұрын

    My Marshall (not old) solid state sounds best with all EQ knobs at noon. That's just the sound I like.

  • @klorand

    @klorand

    5 жыл бұрын

    (several people are typing...)

  • @shoegazeforever8810

    @shoegazeforever8810

    4 жыл бұрын

    On my Marshall Vintage Modern the tone knobs are just for decoration or very fine tuning. I just leave them on 5. (The Body and Detail knobs set the tone.)

  • @jhnlk
    @jhnlk5 жыл бұрын

    "No LED but it's quite obvious when it's on."

  • @fishfingers160

    @fishfingers160

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fucking hope so 😉

  • @chrisj2155

    @chrisj2155

    5 жыл бұрын

    That made me chuckle

  • @Glicksman1

    @Glicksman1

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, you know it's on. Your guitar sounds like rubbish.

  • @alessandrodecarli2462

    @alessandrodecarli2462

    5 жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣

  • @michaelczesnozki1671

    @michaelczesnozki1671

    5 жыл бұрын

    The led is in the A of RAT. I have one.

  • @jamesstonehouse3448
    @jamesstonehouse34484 жыл бұрын

    Rat into a big muff is an iconic sound in the drone doom genre

  • @jonathanhathaway7796
    @jonathanhathaway77963 жыл бұрын

    I've used two Rats for decades through a Roland JC-120, and I've gotten nothing but praise since 1986, often from tube snobs who can't believe they're saying it. I never put the distortion up more than a third, the other one a fourth, and it gives me a great, classic Rock sound with lots of definition. I think I use distortion until I hear someone else using distortion. I'm always surprised how much players use. To each his own.

  • @Roosterboi21

    @Roosterboi21

    7 ай бұрын

    One of the things I have noticed with other bands around here is that there is a load of gain on most guitar parts. They will be doing a CCR cover and the guitars sound like Whitesnake.

  • @subjectt.change6599

    @subjectt.change6599

    4 ай бұрын

    I use RATs through a JC40 and an CR120. Nothing makes tube snobs scratch their heads like RATs through solid state amps.

  • @joemisek
    @joemisek5 жыл бұрын

    42:26 It is absurd how excited I get when I hear some Soundgarden riffs on That Pedal Show. It's like bringing my youth together with my adult gear fascination.

  • @pauliusi9691
    @pauliusi96915 жыл бұрын

    Guys, it’s been a year since I picked up playing again. After 10 years of teenagy, high-gainy, shreding I dropped the guitar. Came back last year mainly inspired by your channel. It’s been a year and I learned more than I did in those 10 years thanks to you guys. Just wanted to put that out as a thank you. One small comment under a vid, one giant part of my life.

  • @christianmoller263
    @christianmoller2635 жыл бұрын

    Been requesting this like mad so thanks for putting it up!

  • @wadeadkins4927
    @wadeadkins49275 жыл бұрын

    I bought a RAT while still in high school in 1983. It still is on my higher gain pedal board all these years later. Great pedal, great video!

  • @justinp2033
    @justinp20335 жыл бұрын

    And that TS into the Rattler combo is absolutely amazing. I need that tone in my life.

  • @spiltmilk615
    @spiltmilk6155 жыл бұрын

    After more than a decade with the Rat 2, I recently made the switch to the JHS Rat, and two observations jump out at me. First, unlike most high gain boxes, it actually sounds great through an overdriven amp. Second, it's a killer platform for the gnarlier side of slide guitar. Great episode, guys!

  • @brian_malota
    @brian_malota3 жыл бұрын

    Just bought a 1989 rat and holy shit they work SO perfect with single coil neck pickups on a tele. Sounds amazing.

  • @antonioroman4895
    @antonioroman48954 жыл бұрын

    I had a Vintage Rat and now a JHS and a Moer. I highly recommend the Moer !!!

  • @Gadrun
    @Gadrun5 жыл бұрын

    This might be my favourite episode so far, keep up the great work, guys!

  • @NeopolitianNPLTN
    @NeopolitianNPLTN5 жыл бұрын

    All I play is punk rock using a RAT and a blackface Fender. I don't usually go past 9 o'clock on the distortion knob. Then fine tune with guitar's volume knob. (LP junior)

  • @jamesgoddin8880
    @jamesgoddin88805 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see you include a budget Mooer pedal here. When I got back into pedals again after a foray into rack gear then multi-fx I bought a bunch of Mooer pedals because they were so cheap, especially on eBay. Admittedly I’ve switched out a few for the ‘real thing’ now (the green mile is not a great tune screamer) but several remain happily on my board - orange 90, trelicopter, ensemble king, pure boost, e-lady and black secret. They all do the job I want them to do very well and for a fraction of the cost of more respected pedals, plus they take up comparatively little real estate on the board.

  • @lw1391

    @lw1391

    5 ай бұрын

    The e-lady and black secret are phenomenal!!

  • @tweedguitar9103
    @tweedguitar91035 жыл бұрын

    Thanks guys..Dan, i've waited 30 years for some insight into this beast ..thankyou . Back in the day I wondered why it sounded so good with just a strat and marshall of the early 80's straight ahead rock. i haven't heard one since , but it's an big edgy sound that cut through the mix, a sound i'll never forget. Loved the singing versatility of the rattler with your strat Mick.

  • @bbmade
    @bbmade5 жыл бұрын

    There’s usually a moment on That Pedal Show where I flash back to teenage year of trying guitars, amps, pedals and just having fun for the sake of fun. Good times.

  • @Yamazaki1923
    @Yamazaki19235 жыл бұрын

    This show makes Fridays for guitar players around the world simply better. HAPPY FRIDAY!

  • @andreaschronis3161
    @andreaschronis31615 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for finally getting to this topic. I have a TON of distortion / OD pedals, and I love a lot of them, but nothing ever feels better than playing through a Rat at high volume. It may be the GOAT.

  • @subjectt.change6599
    @subjectt.change65994 ай бұрын

    I am the proud owner of 3 RATs; the You Dirty Rat, the Fat Rat, and the JHS Pack Rat (the new one, not the mod). I just can’t get the same feeling from anything else. It’s everything I like about fuzz, but nothing I hate. It’s everything I love about tubes, but without the weight or replacement costs. It truly was a revolutionary device.

  • @stratfredo27
    @stratfredo275 жыл бұрын

    Bought the original in 1978. That with a Boss Flanger through a Fawn Marshall 50w JMP playing a Les Paul Pro Deluxe with P90's was for me the epitome of rock Great show as always boys

  • @mark7166
    @mark71665 жыл бұрын

    Re: the Rat having Big Muff characteristics- I totally agree. I love the tone of a Big Muff, but it just does not work for me. A Rat, however, seems to do exactly what I want the Muff to do, but with more mids... so I guess I’m really a Rat person, haha!

  • @ozono3videos

    @ozono3videos

    5 жыл бұрын

    I agree. I have a big mouth not knowing what to do with it and as I listened to the rat I said:eureka!

  • @seandyer4151

    @seandyer4151

    5 жыл бұрын

    Trims all the flub off to but keeps the sustain and thickness . Probably it’s why Gilmour used one on delicate sound of thunder era board I think

  • @michael_caz_nyc

    @michael_caz_nyc

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hey Mark - I was Never a Muff/Fuzz guy until The Thorpy Fallout Cloud. Give it a go??? - It's like a Hi-Fi Big Muff (that cuts through the mix) You might like it? I will Never be without mine. Gilmour, Santana, Iommi = Done.

  • @mark7166

    @mark7166

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@michael_caz_nyc Thanks for the suggestion! If I ever get back to wanting a Muff (other than the one I have), I will definitely look at it. I've heard nothing but good things about it.

  • @mattgilbert7347

    @mattgilbert7347

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Phillip hanna I'm a fan of the Vick V-2. It's like a Rat-Muff hybrid.

  • @willroutt3566
    @willroutt35665 жыл бұрын

    I love the episodes like this that dig into pedal history and classic circuits. Good work, boys. Keep ‘em coming!

  • 4 жыл бұрын

    42:37 - Outshined! Great tune, kudos Dan!!!

  • @40spinup
    @40spinup5 жыл бұрын

    Dave Grohl was a big Rat user on the first Foo’s album. Listen to Exhausted.

  • @legatomodi3522

    @legatomodi3522

    5 жыл бұрын

    drummers and bassists gravitate towards them when they play guitar for some reason. i can not say why, i can just say ive seen it happen enough to see a pattern that rarely fails

  • @kosmicwizard
    @kosmicwizard4 жыл бұрын

    For the money the black secret is the ticket, in my humble opinion, it sounds better than the modern rat, has 3 clipping modes and uses the original LM308 chip. Cheers.

  • @SandalwoodBros

    @SandalwoodBros

    3 жыл бұрын

    I believe it has two clipping modes?

  • @kosmicwizard

    @kosmicwizard

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SandalwoodBros yep, couldn't remember off of the top of my head at the time. The tom'sline black teeth has solo, turbo and normal, so maybe I was getting confused with that? Cheers.

  • @matthewgurlitz3514
    @matthewgurlitz35144 ай бұрын

    I just got a Rat 2 for the first time in years. I used to own one and sold it, God knows why. Here, all the Rats sound better than any other pedals in the lineup. I also have and love the SD-1, but in your context, the Rat kills it. It has serious body, whereas some of the others have a bit of flub. Unlike the SD-1 or Tube Screamer, the Rat sounds great at either living room volumes or band levels. The mid-hump stuff sounds a bit dull at home without a cranked amp.

  • @fishfingers160
    @fishfingers1605 жыл бұрын

    Love these little tangents you guys go off on. Like watching Ronnie Corbett trying to tell a story in his big chair.

  • @TomasWildViking
    @TomasWildViking5 жыл бұрын

    I never had access to a Rat when I started out, so instead I tried many different overdrives and distortion pedals; Korg Overdrive (can't remember the model), Boss Turbo Overdrive, Washburn Thrash Metal, Boss DS-1, Boss Metalizer etc. At the moment I have 2 drives on my board, both Boss: SD-1 and DS-1. Followed by a MXR Phase 90 and a cheap 10-band equalizer

  • @andrewnuzzo7919

    @andrewnuzzo7919

    2 жыл бұрын

    AND AS I KNOW HAVE AND ALWAYS USE I ALSO HAVE THE VERY BEST MOST USEFUL PEDAL ON MY BOARD ANY BOARD ALL BOARDS SHOULD HAVE AND I RECAMEND GETTING AN MXR 10 BAND OR THE I BELIEVE MINE IS THE CALINE COPY OF THAT WITH INPUT GAIN AND OUTPUT VOLUME. I CANNOT PLAY EVER AGAIN WITHOUT ONE. I HIGHLY HIGHLY RECAMEND IT TO EVERYONE IN PEDAL LAND AND THOES WHO REIE JUST ON AMP WITH CHANNELS PLEASE GET N USE A 10BAND EQ YOULL NEVER LOOK BACK AGAIN. signed the GUITAR WIZARD

  • @RichardSeal
    @RichardSeal5 жыл бұрын

    The guitar faces were in fine form today! Awesome show, love that Rattler!

  • @alanhaynes418
    @alanhaynes4185 жыл бұрын

    Just love it when Dan repeatedly maxes out the sound level meter with the Les Paul/SG junior!

  • @Guitar_Ted
    @Guitar_Ted5 жыл бұрын

    I don't think I've laughed so hard (from 47 minutes in) while watching one of your videos. Pure joy! That was off the rails. Thanks for making my day.

  • @srh361
    @srh3615 жыл бұрын

    Surprisingly the mooer held its own! I was hoping to see a keeley stahlhammer but these selections will definitely do! The JAM sounded the best!

  • @davedavem
    @davedavem5 жыл бұрын

    Graham Coxon on a previous TPS: "When I wanted more noise I added another RAT to my RAT." (slight paraphrase since I'm busy watching this video...)

  • @ludovicboully3643

    @ludovicboully3643

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes, and Mick and Dan added a Rat to a Rat to a Rat........

  • @mattgilbert7347

    @mattgilbert7347

    5 жыл бұрын

    If you chain them together you get a Rat King.

  • @davedavem

    @davedavem

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@mattgilbert7347 It's not good when your pedals become sentient.

  • @elonmush4793

    @elonmush4793

    5 жыл бұрын

    needs more rats!

  • @mattgilbert7347

    @mattgilbert7347

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@davedavem My mega-MIDI AI board begs to differ. And it knows where you live...

  • @FinleyWheatback
    @FinleyWheatback3 жыл бұрын

    I bought a Rat 2 in 1989 brand new. It's been my main distortion for almost every situation. It just has an excellent voice that retains the tone of the note no matter how much gain you pile on. And I think it cleans up nicely when you back off the guitar volume. Scofield has used a Rat as his main grit effect since the 80s. I found with the drive on about 9 o'clock, and the volume on about 3'o'clock, you get as much distortion as you would probably want with guitar volume on 10, but it cleans up nicely almost completely clean with volume on below 5. And on those settings, it still provides just a little compression, and evens out some of the partials. I've tried a lot of boxes, but I keep coming back to the RAT, have been able to make it work for anything. That super- bright, overly distorted signature sound is not the only thing it can do.

  • @omarpigeon
    @omarpigeon5 жыл бұрын

    God what a wonderful episode. The SG sounded particularly glorious through that setup. And the RAT just sounds extra on everything, from guitar to drum sounds (ah, a distorted 909 kick!) through bass and synths !

  • @TheMRCHEEFY
    @TheMRCHEEFY5 жыл бұрын

    RAT + SG = Winner! :)

  • @stubkar

    @stubkar

    4 жыл бұрын

    Rat plus P90's....

  • @kellymckenzie4865

    @kellymckenzie4865

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @BruceHamiltonmusic
    @BruceHamiltonmusic5 жыл бұрын

    As a Doom Metal Guitarist, RAT's are one of my favourite ways to get a massive sound, great to see so many of them!

  • @tonisiret5557
    @tonisiret55575 жыл бұрын

    "The Rattler" is the pedal I've been looking for, for a good 20 years. Gain - stacking, & more importantly, gain shaping abound. Thanks guys! Hope the gig went well. Outshined!

  • @DareBear2099
    @DareBear20995 жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite channels on youtube doing an episode of my favorite distortion pedal ever... Rat has been on my board since I was in high school. It's my favorite, always and forever.

  • @daniel207pzd
    @daniel207pzd5 жыл бұрын

    Ah the ProCo Rat... My favourite and main go-to distortion pedal with my Fender Blackface amps! :)

  • @mrtwohats
    @mrtwohats5 жыл бұрын

    A TPS haiku: Mick finds the strat rat - In glorious schwaang Dan beams - Slight loss of hearing

  • @jimvalver8449
    @jimvalver84495 жыл бұрын

    I had a Big Box Rat as a teenager in the 80's. That along with an Ibanez FL9 Flanger and a solid state 2x12 was my first "Rig"

  • @blizzbee
    @blizzbee5 жыл бұрын

    I hit like before i watch. That’s how much I like my vintage Rat. You guys ,as always, did great!

  • @jasondejong3062
    @jasondejong30625 жыл бұрын

    The Jam Rattler+ tubescreamer= mick on full beast mode! See mick, you can play with loads of gainy awsomeness🤘🏼

  • @MiniMationsAnimations
    @MiniMationsAnimations5 жыл бұрын

    No way, I was about to search for a video about the RAT, and this beauty pops up in my feed!

  • @yanghan1094
    @yanghan10945 жыл бұрын

    I was having fun again with my old rat since last Monday , and you guys come up with this video! Right on time!

  • @LostPlanet2024
    @LostPlanet20245 жыл бұрын

    Listened to Blue through the Rattler again and its the best I have ever heard that guitar sound on a lead tone... just stellar!!! Just throaty, punchy sweetness!!!

  • @thorwulfx1
    @thorwulfx15 жыл бұрын

    This episode made me very happy. The RAT is such a fun pedal. It's great for taking a well-mannered amp and turning it into a tooth-gnashing lunatic.

  • @ludovicboully3643
    @ludovicboully36435 жыл бұрын

    Finally the SG Junior is Back...And with th Rat it´s a killer sound

  • @antropophagore
    @antropophagore5 жыл бұрын

    This is my favorite episode, I love rat pedals, I have a Proco Turbo rat and it is amazing. By the way, the option in the mooer, "vintage" is a Rat2 and "turbo" is a Turbo Rat Rat2 is Silicon clipping diodes, Turbo is LED clipping diodes.

  • @jotakabe13
    @jotakabe135 жыл бұрын

    I agree with Dan. I own a Rat clone and I LOVE the sound, but when I put it in a band context, for me, it is too loose and sloppy. So in my live rig I have a tighter distortion sound. But in the 3 or 4 pedal home rig, it is the Rat. Loved this episode. Thanks guys!

  • @philipellis7039
    @philipellis70395 жыл бұрын

    When I was a child ( I'm 54 now to give you a time frame) my grandmother used to run entertainment evenings for other old folk and the kazoo was the main musical accompaniment for most of that. There is a lot of spit in my childhood memories. Whilst I'm here if I dare mention another pedal channel there is an episode of 60 Cycle Hum where he puts a mic'd kazoo through pedals. A must watch for anyone who is a fan of the small, spitty instrument. Sorry, as you were - back to the Rats.

  • @LEgoiste

    @LEgoiste

    5 жыл бұрын

    Excellent tangent!

  • @RAndrewNeal
    @RAndrewNeal5 жыл бұрын

    The Rat 2, fourth overdrive/distortion pedal on my list of pedals to save up for. Sounds awesome.

  • @karlopalenzuela7915

    @karlopalenzuela7915

    3 жыл бұрын

    just got mine at a surplus shop..and mind blown years of searching ...this is something

  • @BenCDaugherty
    @BenCDaugherty26 күн бұрын

    FYI, rats were indeed the big box when they came out. When they went small, then they became white faced. Great vid guys!

  • @TinManSixtySix
    @TinManSixtySix4 жыл бұрын

    I've had this 1989 Rat 2 since 1990. Got it second hand, it and a Crybaby wah. Ten years ago a friend took it to the US for Robert Keeley's three-way mod. Love it even more. The Rat is distortion with a fuzzy edge. Good for Gilmour, Nuno and Lynch, good for me.

  • @bobilly
    @bobilly5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the show! The TRex Mudhoney we all love is quite RAT-ish actually and my favorite variant I've played. This gives me some more options to ponder!

  • @dinadams

    @dinadams

    5 жыл бұрын

    MetalThrashingMatt me too, I’ve had many a boutique Rat, but the Mudhoney is the best, midrange in just the right place and can be smooth or aggressive, treble not so papery and it’s very dynamic. Danish Mudhoney is currently going for an absolute song at Thomann, get it while you can folks!

  • @bobilly

    @bobilly

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@dinadams wow, you aren't kidding! $93 😲

  • @1961jscofield
    @1961jscofield5 жыл бұрын

    Wow, that SG (Jr.) is my age but sure as hell has endured the decades far better than I have!

  • @jeffroq
    @jeffroq5 жыл бұрын

    Kazoo solos 😀 spot on Mick. I always reach for one for the solo on Del Shannon's Runaway. Don't think I've ever got to the end without breaking down in fits of laughter.

  • 5 жыл бұрын

    Been play guitar for 40 years. Gibson, Martin, Guild, Taylor...got my first 2 electric's las year. 2018 Gibson Les Paul & SG. Marshall, Blackstar & Fender tube amps. My first pedal I'm gonna try here at my Hollywood pedal shop will be the Rat! What a sound!! Thanks guys for another great show!!!!!

  • @stevekirby7333
    @stevekirby73334 жыл бұрын

    Finally got my hands on a Rattler, which I've been looking to try ever since this video. I noted that other than trying it with one of the Rats and finding that the sound didn't clean up, the Rattler wasn't tried with the guitar turned down. I was looking for slight grit to moderate dirt. I found that with a Strat in the store, that turning down the guitar gave a really boxy sound on the Rattler. I guess there are some input impedance things going on but while it cleaned up better than the Rat in this demo, the top went totally away and that mid voice that made the Rattler sound big took over. Glad I tried it before doing the online order thing. Back to the search.

  • @stephenpetris9603

    @stephenpetris9603

    2 жыл бұрын

    A a

  • @bigJohnnybabyboy
    @bigJohnnybabyboy5 жыл бұрын

    That was the best episode of That Pedal Show ever. Why? Because it had Rats. The only way to make an episode as good is to do another show with Rats. Maybe a part 2 with You Dirty Rat, Turbo Rat, Solo Rat, Fat Rat, Brat, Deucetone etc.

  • @yaniv-nos-tubes

    @yaniv-nos-tubes

    5 жыл бұрын

    ive had the turbo rat since 1990...every time i hear the ordinary rat i'm amazed how crappy it is compared to my turbo rat and i understand why people hate rats because if the basic one is bad no one tries the turbo rat

  • @Joeyd123abc2

    @Joeyd123abc2

    5 жыл бұрын

    And the T-rex Mudhoney, a great rat-alike that isn't really like a rat.

  • @TheNorthernChris

    @TheNorthernChris

    5 жыл бұрын

    The Turbo Rat is fantastic. It has a more even eq to my ears and less gain. It’s a more open amp like sound. Love it.

  • @cesmcmyth

    @cesmcmyth

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Joeyd123abc2 exactly. I was expecting that one in this episode. You play the dual? Or danish?

  • @Joeyd123abc2

    @Joeyd123abc2

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@cesmcmyth I play the dual. I'd love to have the danish on my board but I don't think I can justify that amount of space for 1 drive pedal at the moment. Especially when I can have 2 of what is essentially the same circuit in that space.

  • @gfreak73101
    @gfreak731015 жыл бұрын

    Awesome vid. Currently working on stacking an SD1 on very low gain into a KOT clone so high gain is my play ground at the moment. Really impressed by the mooer rat comparison. Big Graham Coxon fan so I think Ill have to get one of these to try. Thanks again

  • @clayheinzerling1852
    @clayheinzerling18525 жыл бұрын

    I love when you guys have Jam stuff on I don't think I've ever heard anything from them that I didn't like. Also I get a big 'ol smile every time I hear Dan play some Soundgarden

  • @ThatPedalShow

    @ThatPedalShow

    5 жыл бұрын

    We're with you on JAM stuff. Always stunning sounds.

  • @ChristianBundgaard
    @ChristianBundgaard5 жыл бұрын

    I have one of the old Rat 2 pedals from the early 90’s when they still used the LM308 chip. I think the Rat sounds great as a low/medium gain overdrive. The trick is to set the filter control really high. My go-to settings are: Distortion at 9-11 o'clock, filter at 3 o'clock or higher and volume at 3 o’clock. Set like this, it cleans up great with the guitars volume control or by varying your pick attack.

  • @Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55

    @Two_Seat_Pete_FatA55

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's exactly how i set mine too

  • @pepe10296
    @pepe102965 жыл бұрын

    This is a great channel, I really enjoy a lot the info you guys bring to the table and the all around joy you share. As a constructive criticism, sometimes, as a viewer I'd prefer more focus, like one single mind kind of approach with the topics you choose. Having said that, long live the rat!

  • @DanEtch
    @DanEtch5 жыл бұрын

    Had a Keeley-modded Rat, and it was incredible. My mate who plays bass was on the lookout for a dirt pedal and hated everything he tried until he tried that Rat. I then sold him the Rat, to his great excitement and it has not left his board since. I was extremely happy as I had helped my mate realise his tonal nirvana. Now I want a Rat again. Dang.

  • @GoDrex
    @GoDrex5 жыл бұрын

    Back in the 80's I used a Rat mainly to boost and give more sustain and cut to leads. It helped in a two guitar metal band.

  • @msmoniz
    @msmoniz5 жыл бұрын

    In 30 years of playing I had never tried a Rat pedal of any kind. Last year stumbled upon on a used TurboRat. Tried it and it hasn't left my main board since! Hooked!

  • @billtice5057
    @billtice50575 жыл бұрын

    The EQ on the MXR Super Badass Distortion is the game changer with distortion. It should have been in this lineup

  • @hongsiahseow5969

    @hongsiahseow5969

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's not a Rat circuit though, is it? As far as I know its an MIAB. Had it but had to sell it and replace with an even smaller pedal on my board so I can fit one more pedal on it.

  • @LeviBulger

    @LeviBulger

    3 жыл бұрын

    Not even a Rat. So no, it doesn't belong.

  • @BaronsDuju
    @BaronsDuju5 жыл бұрын

    Love the Trower tangent! This is where this show shines. Goes to show that we need to be okay with some of the settings being on 0 or 10. I think it’s natural for guitarists to set everything between 4 and 8. Sometimes the extremes sound great as well. I recently made peace with 0 presence on my Silver Jubilee when I gave my strat plugged in. It sounds better in smaller rooms, but my OCD hates it that way.

  • @rbrwr
    @rbrwr5 жыл бұрын

    For what it's worth, I believe the switch on the Black Secret is up = silicon diodes, down = LEDs. You can see the LEDs flickering behind the filter knob in turbo mode (e.g. 54:50). 22:03 ...would loop this. 23:19 Mick using the ASAT.... was worried that Dan would pick up the Edcaster and then TPS would be backwards. 29:18 love the S&M leather pedal.

  • @misterknightowlandco
    @misterknightowlandco3 жыл бұрын

    Rat + Tube Screamer + Chorus = The sounds of 80's metal. 🍻

  • @MegaPaulCooper

    @MegaPaulCooper

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes sir

  • @javierubilla4852

    @javierubilla4852

    3 жыл бұрын

    The rat before the tube?

  • @saintrhoads3375

    @saintrhoads3375

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@javierubilla4852 idk, but I'm definitely trying this tommorow

  • @adakhochalai

    @adakhochalai

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tube screamer can be swapped with sd1as well

  • @saintrhoads3375

    @saintrhoads3375

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@adakhochalai it didn't sound that great

  • @jhut5150
    @jhut51505 жыл бұрын

    I’ll preface this comment by saying that I don’t have time just yet to watch the video, so maybe I’m missing something and if so, I apologize. I’m not seeing any mention in the description area about you guys using Dan’s vintage AC30 in this video. How in the world did this slip through the cracks? The Rat and the AC30 are a glorious match made by the rock gods in heaven!! Again, I’m sorry if I’m speaking out of turn having not watched the video yet. Love the show and thanks for doing this Rat video. It’s my all time favorite distortion/drive.

  • @deanjohnston104

    @deanjohnston104

    5 жыл бұрын

    Hi. Nice show. Great show in fact. I too would like to add to what some others have mentioned; it would have been nice and also useful to see a Rat paired with a Vox Top Boost circuit. It seems a lot of people feel the Rat is one of the few distortion boxes that works well with this particular Vox channel. Since the AC4 variants are only Top Boost and also very popular with many home players (I have the hand wired version - it's flippin' great), how to dial a Rat in with these, or something along the lines of 'the Rat as solution - yes or no?' might have been useful. Thanks.

  • @GiovanniBottaMuteWinter
    @GiovanniBottaMuteWinter5 жыл бұрын

    My first pedal was also a Boss SD1, about 20 years ago. A couple years ago I sent it to Analogman and they modded it for me and it’s back on the board!

  • @danielkrause7914
    @danielkrause79145 жыл бұрын

    Been using a RAT on my board forever. Earlier with a Keeley BD-2 in front but the last couple years with a JRocket Archer pushing it. Sounds great. Cool episode guys!

  • @adamscottv
    @adamscottv5 жыл бұрын

    Tube Screamer into RAT sounded great.

  • @jamescourt2842
    @jamescourt28424 жыл бұрын

    I lost my shit when he said ” Edgy Dudes ” in this demo love these guys 👍😂😆🤣

  • @steveroach4895
    @steveroach48955 жыл бұрын

    I still have my original Rat that I bought in the late 70's. I also have a Keeley modded modern Rat. Jeff Beck has been known to use one too for that matter. Love the show!!!

  • @TheseusTitan
    @TheseusTitan4 жыл бұрын

    The ES-335 is so rich in tone. It sounds great!

  • @tomcox4107
    @tomcox41075 жыл бұрын

    Would have been great to hear a 1981 DRV on there... If you can get hold of one!

  • @Marksmusic191
    @Marksmusic1914 жыл бұрын

    Nuno Bettencourt’s whole tone is based around the rat especially in the early days when he had to rent what ever back line was available when touring.

  • @JoePerkinsMusic
    @JoePerkinsMusic5 жыл бұрын

    The JAM Ratter+ is one of my favourite dirt pedals...it has a toggle switch to enter a low-gain mode. Such a great, grainy, dynamic OD. Gives something like the Hudson Broadcast a good run for its money!

  • @labgnat
    @labgnat5 жыл бұрын

    My old Big box Rat is my favorite dirt pedal, sounds so good.

  • @johnballantyne3458
    @johnballantyne34585 жыл бұрын

    Someone should make a RAT clone called Siberian Hamster.

  • @Gorphoz

    @Gorphoz

    5 жыл бұрын

    Special price. Only £5

  • @doctiberius2717

    @doctiberius2717

    5 жыл бұрын

    Many have tried but they always become Faulty ! 🐀

  • @kevinjohnbetts

    @kevinjohnbetts

    5 жыл бұрын

    Someone did. Iss very rare though.

  • @garywordsworth9302

    @garywordsworth9302

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fatty Owls a small pedal company from Swanage i believe

  • @seandyer4151

    @seandyer4151

    5 жыл бұрын

    Or Basil

  • @LINE4RR
    @LINE4RR3 жыл бұрын

    I love my TS808 chip TS9 into my RAT Reissue.

  • @maz7100

    @maz7100

    3 жыл бұрын

    Try the opposite as well... run the rat into the ts9 Ts9 with gain backed off to about noon or less... eq noon as well... volume slightly louder than your amps volume rat gain down roughly noon as well Eq set however you like best Those two pedals sound great either way, but the rat into the tube screamer is one of my favorite tones

  • @evanmiller2579
    @evanmiller25795 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant episode. Mick you had me at the beginning with your first power chord with the 335. Amp combination was stellar as well. I can remember this pedal back in the 80s through a Peavey Bandit 65. I remember it making me feel like a Rockstar. I also think my folks hated it which made me like it more. A little reverb and delay gives the notes a chords a little more air and bloom around them as well. Well done!! Breath Dan!

  • @davidkieltyka9

    @davidkieltyka9

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, the Bandit 65 was the amp I got at the same time as my RAT. 1985. The amp is long gone but I’ve still got the RAT!

  • @evanmiller2579

    @evanmiller2579

    5 жыл бұрын

    David Kieltyka that rocks you still have it. I managed to hang onto a Boss DD2 and CS2. The Rat is gone though.

  • @TheWhollymoly
    @TheWhollymoly5 жыл бұрын

    I bought a RAT a few years ago (what you're calling here "RAT 2"), and it was love at first schwang! I keep trying to replace it with something else, but it refuses to budge from my main pedalboard. Massive power chord show! Love it!

  • @johnetone
    @johnetone5 жыл бұрын

    You should get a cowbell to bang on for the "Simon's going to really be annoyed with me" segment of each show.

  • @JonathanPaek
    @JonathanPaek5 жыл бұрын

    It’s like you guys knew I’m looking To buying a Rat and made a buyers guide to rats just for me. I feel so special and honored and will invite you to my birthday party.

  • @belicosebumpkin
    @belicosebumpkin5 жыл бұрын

    Mick totally nailed the Parklife riff!!! Strymon Sunset Hard clipping (B) setting gives a great RAT sound. I run it into the A (treble setting) to totally customise the bottom end with the tone control....Sunset is an awesome dirt box!

  • @AlbusBand
    @AlbusBand5 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never got on with RAT pedals, but what happened when Mick ran the Rattler w/Blue, my entire life’s worth of RAT experience changed. What.a.sound. 👏👏👏 -Aaron

  • @frankfionn
    @frankfionn5 жыл бұрын

    Yo La Tengo and Bill Frisell are my favourite Rat-users. Love this sound.

  • @proteusswarm7291

    @proteusswarm7291

    5 жыл бұрын

    Add Mary Halvorson to that list and I'm with you 100%. Bill uses the Catalinbread version I believe.

  • @frankfionn

    @frankfionn

    5 жыл бұрын

    He uses the Catalinbread Katzenkönig and there is a rat-circuit included. Shure, it is not his main sound, but he has some distorted moments and than he turns this thing on.

  • @frankfionn

    @frankfionn

    5 жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/lHmBqdiIhJmzYdI.html

  • @NashTurley

    @NashTurley

    5 жыл бұрын

    Nice, yeah I guess he has some gnarly moments :)

  • @ionobelisk

    @ionobelisk

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@NashTurley IIRC, Bill once said that it was the pedal he wouldn't want to do without. It certainly seemed to be ever present once he ditched his enormous rack system.

  • @SirVicc
    @SirVicc5 жыл бұрын

    I have a RAT clone that I barely ever play. Can't get along with the sound. Then I see something like this and want to give it another go. Then when I do I remember why it never gets played.

  • @tmuka
    @tmuka5 жыл бұрын

    thanks for the Kalamazoo shout out! hilarious and impressive "something in the water" current events knowledge too!

  • @MrLoddebolten
    @MrLoddebolten5 жыл бұрын

    Hi guys, great show! I just bought the strangest pedal, called the vibe&drive. I was told it is a "ONE-OFF" by a company named VFE-pedals. It contains three in one, a tremolo, a 808ts and,.......a rat! The rat is great for lead tones, and with the tremolo dialed deep, I almost get a swelling effect. I love it!

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