I'd never heard of this personality test before this video.

@mikeg9b

5 жыл бұрын

I haven't heard of the Big Five either. The only personality test I know of is the Myers-Briggs.

@doubleru

5 жыл бұрын

Literally the first time I hear about it, too.

@benjaminroberts1496

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikeg9b that one is bad too

@ferociousmaliciousghost

5 жыл бұрын

It is a first for me as well.

@Kram1032

5 жыл бұрын

I think the only two personality tests that are worth their salt, scientifically speaking, are the Big Five and Hexaco (which is an iteration on Big Five that adds an extra dimension, so you could also call it "Big Six" I guess), and the standard seems to be Big Five. Not sure why Hexaco didn't take off as much. Maybe the difference is too marginal. After having done both tests, I personally find Hexaco more fitting. (Expand for links to both tests) Big Five: openpsychometrics.org/tests/IPIP-BFFM/ (I'm pretty sure this is a different website from the one I originally took the test at but the questions should be standardized so it should be pretty similar) Hexaco: www.hexaco.org/hexaco-online

I don't believe anyone in the world said to one of their friends "you're such a type 8."

@JustButton

5 жыл бұрын

JustDoIt God you’re such an Aries!

@justdoit2521

5 жыл бұрын

@@JustButton, holy mother of God. Who are you and how did you know that?!

@anjunisingh6373

5 жыл бұрын

I have heard this!

@Daymickey

5 жыл бұрын

I do this to my coworkers. For example my teammate is a type 1 and she's super detail oriented and organized. When something logistically challenging gets done because of her I'll say "gosh you're such a type 1". I do it to my husband and friends too.

@EmperorZelos

5 жыл бұрын

@@justdoit2521 gawd you are such a type XXX

People: *ITS NOT GOOD TO STEREOTYPE!* ALSO PEOPLE: *WhAtS your ZoDiAc i Wanna kNoW yOuR personality!*

@AtarahDerek

5 жыл бұрын

The zodiac is like looking at the color of a country on a random world map and assuming what a specific house within that country is built out of. MBTI is like noticing a house and going up to it to better see how it's constructed. The stereotypes come into play when people say, "Oh, your house is made of brick? You must be pretentious and insecure."

@TheReZisTLust

5 жыл бұрын

@Your Worst Nightmare nah

@MsMimi127

5 жыл бұрын

Ahahahahaaa

Get all 9 types together in the same room and make a transmutation circle. Make a philosophers stone,

@gladysrambuyon5479

5 жыл бұрын

hahaha thanks that made my day!

@TheAnnabanana5000

5 жыл бұрын

Big brother?

@danielbickford3458

5 жыл бұрын

You're going to need a whole lot more then 9 victims

@R_U_Good

5 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to stop by and drop off this "W"

@MrEmrys24

5 жыл бұрын

You need to make one that encompass a city to successfully make a philosopher's stone

I bet there's a lot of *Type 2* in the US... *Type 2 Diabetes*

@GGrev

5 жыл бұрын

UNDERRATED COMMENT PLEASE LIKE AND RESPOND YOU MONGRELS

@Tom_Blue222

5 жыл бұрын

I gave this a like from 69 to 70 I guide others to treasures I can not obtain

@gwyn.

5 жыл бұрын

cyber maze Nice

@BlueCrashFigurineHoldingWumpa

5 жыл бұрын

PepeHands

@BlueCrashFigurineHoldingWumpa

5 жыл бұрын

not like this...

I think what's interesting with the enneagram isn't the personality type you end up being asociated with, but the road of discovery that come with it. I've been introduced to it today (fun fact) by a friend, before this video was released, and I looked into it a bit. The main goal is to identify what you tend to lean on in terms of virtues and pulsions, and the long term idea is to try to balance out your traits, to become a better person. There's a philosophical aspect to this thing that is worth checking out, even if you don't believe in the whole thing itself. ;)

@dragonfucker2000

5 жыл бұрын

John C I really like this take on it! That’s how I see it as well!

@b.sylphaen

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. It has helped me a lot to see my own flaws and how I react to my own feelings. I never thought about the enneagram as science, but just as a tool of self discovery.

@wcropp1

5 жыл бұрын

John C yes-you can make a similar argument for tarot cards, astrology, occultism and magic, good books, film, etc.-that they are simply exposing you to “archetypal” roles, common personas in our culture, whatever you want to call them. And it is a good way to make you think about which of these you are most aligned with, which you need to work on, etc. Is this the best methodology for doing such a thing? Maybe not, but it can “make you think” as much or more so than many other things-as long as you don’t get overzealous with your claims.

@b.sylphaen

5 жыл бұрын

@@wcropp1 I agree with that too. I read tarot cards and people usually ask me to predict their futures. When I say I don't do that and I just use them for guidance and meditation, they have no idea what else to ask. It's sad because they can be an amazing tool if you don't lose your mind over it and keep focused on your own process.

@zephyrsblade7188

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! My psychology professor introduced this to us and said that she liked it because it could change over time and help you see how you yourself are changing as compared to the more "fixed" MBTI. Along with tarot cards and fictional character analysis, it's very helpful in making me reflect on myself for a direction for my personal growth.

Everyone needs to know about the Barnum effect.

@AvailableUsernameTed

5 жыл бұрын

DIdn't Barnum say 'There's a sucker born every minute'?

@alissa6380

5 жыл бұрын

I read this as "the Batman effect" and was like, you're right, I have to know what that is

@memeswiper

5 жыл бұрын

Explain

@MsMimi127

5 жыл бұрын

Astrologyyy

Hello! I hope someone reads this (please), but I’m probably coming to this video late, so I understand if this feedback won’t be of consequence. Crash Course, I tend to really like your videos. But, with respect, I think this one is more than a bit reductive. Here’s why I think so: I think the value of the Enneagram is that it provides language for thinking about the patterns with which we live life and through which we interact with our world. That does not mean that any given enneagram type will provide a fail-safe descriptor of every action-what evaluation of a human being could? We’re complex and almost all typologies are failures-not just for us, but for most aspects of reality! However, the language of the enneagram can nonetheless be useful for assessing our own personal tendencies. Sure: No one is essentially a number. No one has essentially one fear, or one vice, or whatever. But a lot of us have predominant fears, or patterns to which we find ourselves returning often (even if not always). I imagine that an equal critique could be levied at supporters of the enneagram itself. The straw-person described in the video, who says “You’re such an 8!” Is making neither a helpful, nor precise, nor analytically nuanced comment, and is employing a highly-distilled distortion of enneagram-typing to make a mean comment about someone’s behavior. This is not lifegiving, of course-but it’s also not really faithful to the spirit of some of the best enneagram literature out there. Thoughtful people write books that are hundreds of pages long dedicated to the enneagram, providing lengthy, thoughtful (and if imperfect, still helpful) analyses of each type. Particularly of interest are some explorations of the enneagram by contemporary theologians like Richard Rohr and Andreas Ebert-I really think such books are more resistant to the Barnum Effect than this video would like to suggest. It’s not as simple as the ridiculously vague traits offered for example here-you make the enneagram sound like a horoscope! Have you read one of the longer enneagram books? The types are really not that vague. Maybe some fans of the enneagram wrongfully simplify it the way you caricature, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re really not judging the enneagram at its best. Furthermore, you’re really not meant to take a test, as if your personality can be gleaned from a deluge of multiple choice questions-you’re meant to read deep profiles and reflect over a long time. To be honest, I’m surprised to find myself writing such a long comment on a video. It seems unlikely that discourse in KZread comments will ever generate productive intellection, even in the comment feed of such a high-quality channel as this. And I’m also not a psychologist-by training I’m a scholar of comparative religion, and while I’ve certainly interacted with the work of some psychologists (for example, William James), I am willing to accept that I may be wrong here, if someone is willing to explain to me how and why. That said, please indulge a couple more comments: perhaps I would not be so passionate about defending the enneagram if I had not already seen it being put to good use in pastoral context, doing the work I described above of helping people identify some of the core tendencies they have, and offering some reflections and strategies for understanding those tendencies. The enneagram has helped my dad-who is a talented priest and chaplain-to give people language to describe some of their deepest fears and insecurities and vices about life. And please do not take me for some ascientific religious fanatic who is too hopped up on spirituality to think with good sense. Neither I, nor my father, nor the many people who reflect on the enneagram deeply (especially in a pastoral context) are idiots. Rather, we understand the limits of the enneagram, but also understand it’s gifts as an evocative emotional tool. If approached with nuance and with levity, the enneagram can be far more than a mere horoscope, and far more incisive than a Myers-Briggs tetrad. It can help us to identify that which challenges us with greater frequency, and give a name to those deeper patterns that-while apprehended by us, perhaps-may elude analysis by us unless we have a linguistic tool for categorization. I tire of all this “scientism” levied in critique at the enneagram because I think such critique makes false assumptions about what the enneagram is attempting in the first place. It’s not a perfect typology. It’s not even a perfectly exclusive typology-thoughtful fans of the enneagram will be the first to tell you that the types interact, overlap, and even meld into one another *depending* on circumstances. So yeah. Of COURSE you’re going to get different results on different occasions if you limit the enneagram to a facile multiple choice questionnaire. But finding a perfect, be-all, end-all number is not what it’s about. It is rather about reflecting on a few (namely, 9) patterns (or pattern-clouds/matrixes) of human experience, and asking questions about which patterns seem the most imprinted on our lives, if any. If we find ourselves relating to a pattern (such as, for example, the shame triad), what might that tell us about our means of evaluation and interaction with reality? Such questioning is useful. It is certainly not only achieved through the enneagram-the enneagram isn’t some arcane ritual after all, it’s just a thought schema-but for a lot of people, the enneagram is a helpful and compelling place to start. I respectfully hope you (whoever reads this damn essay) will consider whether you yourself are the one being vague and simplistic when it comes to discussing the enneagram. It’s not a perfect typology, but it is a language. And while no language can perfectly encapsulate reality (what language could?), a language is still a good starting place for learning about ourselves, our world, our relationships, and our conceptions thereof. Thank you, and peace to you.

The Big 5 may be the most accurate personality test, but it is not helpful. It gives you a score of 5 traits, but it does not tell you how those traits interact with each other. It neglects the fact that people are more than the sum of their parts. So all you're left with is some percentages and no idea how to apply the information.

I like the system from MAD magazine all those years ago the type A personality. You're either a type A or not. As for what the A stands for, I can't say in polite company but it rhymes with gashole 😂

@jerry3790

5 жыл бұрын

Don’t worry, the internet is far from polite company

@debrachambers1304

2 ай бұрын

Agashole?

I actually take issue with this video. I have my own reservations about the Enneagram, but the descriptions of personality types are anything but vague. People on Instagram draw vague extrapolations from the types, but I'm skeptical that the Barnum effect does a good job at explaining the popularity of the Enneagram. I guess more research is needed.

@Firewalkerbg

5 жыл бұрын

EconomyofTruth a lot of this research has already been done actually.

@b.sylphaen

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. The enneagram can be extremely specific.

@Dizalddin

5 жыл бұрын

Uhmmm Ahkchually. Enneagrams worked for my Grandma. Shes recovering as we speak.

@custos3249

5 жыл бұрын

So is short, "I'm not an expert, so let me tell the actual experts they need more research so I might still not agree."

@lehaf34r

5 жыл бұрын

Take as much issue as you want

You mean we can't encompass the entirety of a person within a strictly defined box of traits? Fascinating. It's almost like this is...pseudoscience.

@Alkoholwioslaidziwki

5 жыл бұрын

Ekhm ekhm big 5

@spelcheak

5 жыл бұрын

It's almost as if the test shouldn't be taken as all encompassing…

@gaberylosborne8018

5 жыл бұрын

Upon basic understanding of the enneagram, it's not based on strictly defined boxes. The results you get, too, kinda show you how much of what traits you have based on your answers. However it's not perfect and yeah, isn't based on solid, repeatable science. But then again, when discussing a person's personality, is it ever truly rigid and the same, all the time for everyone?

@asherschmidt9820

5 жыл бұрын

Loving your username, lol

You failed to mention that each personality type has three subtypes as well as the connections between the types. Nor have you mentioned that many psychotherapists, and psychologists are trained in this method, or that it is used in establishing "roles" and not stagnant personality types. While I agree there is little scientific research to validate this system, when you are critiquing a method it would be nice if you were more thorough and scientific in your research especially when presenting it as a pseudoscience.

@spelcheak

5 жыл бұрын

They don't care about giving it a fair look. They only want to strawman anything that isn't Freudian psychology.

@Kevorama0205

5 жыл бұрын

It’s a pseudoscience exactly because there is little scientific research to back it up. You don’t need to show a bunch of counter examples to phrenology to call it pseudoscience, for example, and you cannot, because they have excuses for everything.

@rev.rachel

5 жыл бұрын

@Your Worst Nightmare The vast majority of what we know involves an appeal to authority--the fallacy comes from appealing to an authority regarding something about which they do not have expert knowledge. The psychotherapists and psychologists who are trained in the enneagram as a lens for understanding personality are not claiming to be authoritatively contradicting the studies about personality test. For the most part, they are quite upfront about the fact that it's not meant to be a systematizing categorization system splitting us up into quarks, mesons, and so on based on consistent, verifiable, and consistent attributes. Rather, they use it as a lens for interpreting oneself--people are inclined to align themselves with groups divided by identity markers out of a desire for seeking solidarity. Psychologists who use the enneagram responsibly recognize that impulse and offer the enneagram types as a response, not so that clients will call themselves an 8 and walk away without thinking about it, but rather because it serves as an arbitrary point of origin from which to examine the self. Ultimately, the goal is really to learn how to use the strengths of each of the types and minimize their weaknesses; "your" type simply serves as the origin of your coordinate system. You have to start somewhere.

@danielsuarez8210

5 жыл бұрын

Dekimate Not sure how this is a strawman argument? I think it’s you who have committed the strawman here.

@NickC_222

5 жыл бұрын

"Pseudoscience" has gained this stupid connotation of being some kind of an insult, but that's an applied connotation, not something the term actually suggests in reality. 'Pseudoscience' is simply "a collection of thoughts or beliefs that are mistakenly regarded to be based on the scientific method." Given how rigorous the scientific method is, and how complex some hypotheses are, it's easy for something to be "mistakenly regarded to be based on the scientific method." However, a classification system isn't the same as an actual theory, and complexity isn't the same thing as a rigorous testing protocol. Personality types *are* pseudoscience. A LOT of psychology is pseudoscience. It's very science-like, maybe even based largely on scientific practices, but technically speaking, most of psychology cannot be tested with the scientific method because it's more ethereal than physical matter or measurable phenomena. Being labeled a pseudoscience doesn't 'necessarily' mean something is any less real than any hard science, it just means it doesn't follow the scientific method, and while sometimes, like in the case of religiosity, that can be bad or harmful, it isn't _always_ bad or harmful; psychology is still immensely helpful and pragmatic, in a good way. But to pretend something like this topic can be described in a way that has zero nuance is kind of silly. There's nuance to almost everything in life, even science (take the phase "we're not totally sure" being used to describe a 99.8% probability- technically that's a true statement, but people almost always perceive it inaccurately.) Psychology is an immensely helpful and highly refined pseudoscience, but it's not "bad science" or anti-science or religious at all. For people to pretend psychology even needs to be considered in a strictly scientific framework or terminology is a dogmatic belief. It is to measure a dolphin's physical capabilities by how well it can climb trees. It's apples and oranges. It doesn't matter that psychology is technically a pseudoscience- that doesn't detract from its usefulness or undeniable value and even the high probability of its accuracy- it just says the school of study doesn't strictly follow the scientific method.

Though the principles and basic premise of attacking personality tests are grounded, there's no reason to single out the Enneagram in this episode. Frankly, as someone who has both used the Enneagram with great success, and who also sees its flaws as adopted by mainstream culture, it's still much more comprehensive and well-thought out compared to other tests like DISC, or, god forbid, the colors. Could it be instead that all of these tests have kernels of truth that popularity and the internet have twisted to make profit? It's because there's no easily accessible Big Five test that it helps as a tool for scientific research; people can't bring competing results into a psychiatrist's office to argue they don't have the style their doctor claimed. And vice versa, when people use personality tests to better understand others, whether at work, with friends, or their community, the good is shrouded over by those who misuse it to type others (a fundamental error to those who know and use the Enneagram.) This allows you, SciShow, to say things like the Enneagram puts everyone in "one of nine categories," which isn't the whole truth. They don't acknowledge that the best Enneagram test is more like an aptitude test than a choose-your-own-adventure. Yes, people have more than one style, which is why the Enneagram is flexible (unlike Meyers-Briggs, where you are either X or Y - no wiggle room allowed) and you move to embody different numbers in different scenarios. I disagree with the writers' portrayal and poor understanding of this test (and maybe even sub-culture) because it shows they are writing quickly, and subject to confirmation bias toward things they research from an angle of discrediting, rather than experiencing and explaining. I have noticed characterizations like this in past episodes as well, but this one stuck out as it's something I know (apparently) more deeply than the people producing this episode. Do better to represent the people you want to correct, SciShow.

Love the enneagram and love his video. I don’t think the enneagram is intended to be a scientific tool to measure reliability and validity, I see it similar to the Myers Briggs and astrology is is something that everyone can relate to in some way and can be used to further someone’s knowledge of themselves and others but not to measure something scientifically. What I love about the enneagram and is not present in other personality tests like the big five is an awareness of how your personality changes under stress and in times of celebration and actualization it can be very beneficial to notice those patterns and address them when hey arise, especially the stress patterns. The big five does not do this whatsoever

@spelcheak

5 жыл бұрын

The MBTI is a science but one that's misused more often than not by companies wanting to sell a quick "test" or people who like to take everything they can to extrapolate meaning in their lives.

This video is great just for giving me the name of the Barnum Effect, thank you, that's something I knew about but didn't have a name for until now.

@garret1930

5 жыл бұрын

@Your Worst Nightmare No And no You should look in to what those are and come back later.

I actually think you’ve missed 2 important distinctions here. The original system’s goals/claims/fundamentals, and “user-error”. The system itself states that everyone shows some amount of characteristics of every number at different times and situations. The belief is that you will move through situations with a core fear and motivation in mind. Often times the issue is that people in the community just look at the “fruit” or outward action of an individual to label them with a number, which is the complete opposite point of the enneagram. It’s not as simple as “here’s your number. That’s what you are”, even though people like to use it that way. As usual, people are the bigger problem, not the system.

@quincyfreeman2901

Жыл бұрын

@@UCdZ why do you say that? Most people who have made decent process in self reflection and understanding find a consistent powerful narrative in their life, where they have often made decisions that boil down to the primary influence of a motivation/fear. The motivation is the direction we try to move in, and the fear is the opposite - something we are trying to move from. Now sure, just as I was making the point in my original comment, there’s almost always multiple facets and drivers at play. We aren’t that one dimensional. However, rarely are people so inconsistent or unreadable that a primary, distinct pattern/fear/motivator can’t be determined where, when it boils down to a decision, will often be the deciding factor when compared with another driver, especially if tired or stressed. I think most people would suggest trying to note your fear first. Often the best way to do this is to get outside input from people that know you well and have seen you make lots of life decisions. While that’s happening, good self introspection may be able to pinpoint it on it’s own, though sometimes people need someone else to basically show it to them. This fear is not often a simple surface level fact that’s obvious. I used the word narrative earlier because it’s often a much deeper undercurrent for people that they haven’t really put defining words to, unless they’ve walked through that process and developed purposeful, good self awareness.

I'm a type 10: *Memester*

@hatim9687

5 жыл бұрын

*meme lord* *

@ana.tomasovic

5 жыл бұрын

@gaybutte He just made a joke, though.

I can’t believe you guys made a video about the Enneagram! It’s very popular where I live, and I spent a semester learning about it in detail in one of my college classes. I’ve always wondered about the scientific backing for it. Thanks!

One of the primary weaknesses of only accepting personality archetypes that have scientific validation is best explained by the “Streetlight Effect”. If you don’t know what I am referring to, it’s a joke about a drunk who is frantically searching for his keys at night under a streetlight. A man comes by and offers to help him search for them. After a while of fruitless efforts, the man asks the drunk whether he is absolutely certain that he dropped his keys there. The drunk replies that he actually dropped his keys in the park, but the light was much better over here. All the “Big 5” really account for is external behavior, but not *why* you behave that way. And as neuroticism is generally unhealthy, whereas openness is generally healthy, there’s very little neutrality to any of those measurements. I am an Enneagram type 1, but I almost never test as a 1, simply because dealing with disabilities means that perfection isn’t remotely within reach, and so I have had to grow and adapt while becoming more accepting of myself and others. Yet deep inside the desire to make the world a better place is at the root of everything. It is because of Psychology’s obsession with verifying everything scientifically that caused me to abandon the study of psychology for the study of history, as at least within that the desire to understand humanity is not reduced to what you can pin down under your thumb.

I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately. My ex’s mom LIVED on the Enneagram of Personality; she would profile everyone and tell them what their number was according to her, then would treat them accordingly. She assigned me a number and would throw it in my face all the time (my ex and I were living with her); “Of course you did this, you’re a #”, “You shouldn’t even try that at all, you’re a #”, “I know you say you’re good at x and have worked x job, but you really shouldn’t do those things because you’re a #”. My ex agreed with her and joined in. It pigeon-holed me and I started living accordingly because they pushed it so much. I stopped doing hobbies I enjoyed, I tried getting jobs I didn’t think I’d like, etc. (my assumptions were often correct). This lasted for multiple years and I ultimately ended up losing myself and living according to her/my ex’s expectations. 4 years later, I’m still re-finding myself and am just now realizing that living my life from an Enneagram number is ridiculous. Enneagram numbers can be helpful when trying to figure out why miscommunication is happening between people, but you should not assign someone a number and expect them to live purely based on that. Thank you for this video, it was very helpful for me.

I find it very interesting that she specifically mentions that telling someone that they are a Type 8 is offensive... you see, typically Type 8 are the most offended by that remark. It kinda sounds like this came up in an actual conversation. Type 8s dislike being categorized and controlled more than any other type. She even thinks that just "taking control of situation" is something than anyone could do spontaneously, as it often comes very effortlestly to Type 8s and not so much for most other people.

I hate personality tests, and horoscopes. However, I love reading about my Myers-Brigg result. I know it's mostly nonsense, but it makes me feel so good about myself at the same time. It's a guilty pleasure.

@spelcheak

5 жыл бұрын

It's not mostly nonsense if you die deeper in the structure. But if you are taking a "test" it's not even the real MBTI.

@Jessicanana89

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm more in the belief that the only reason we try and justify to any degree, is because we love labels and feeling like we belong to something. It's all subjective.

I've never heard of this before, but I've heard lots of people use the 16 Personalities one, which seems a lot more popular.

As someone who's studied Enneagram for a few years now, I have several thoughts: 1) Of course it's not based in peer-reviewed scientific research. It's all taken with a grain of salt, and anybody who claims to have hard-coded evidence into this system's physical existence in the human brain is delusional. 2) Self-reported personality tests in general are always going to have high levels of inconsistency. People tend to slightly redefine their perceptions of themselves depending on their mood. Furthermore, each slight iteration on the same basic question can result in different responses depending on how the individual subjectively interprets it. 3) From what I've read, I don't think the lines of integration/disintegration (the "you start acting like this other type under points of stress" idea) hold any merit to them, for the reason listed below: 4) Enneagram types are not simply collections of disparate personality traits. That's the most absolute bare-bones superficial analysis of the system, and one that neither remotely systematic nor helpful for understanding people at a useful level. I absolutely never recommend that anybody attempt to dig into these systems by starting with tests for this very reason. Once you start thinking about personality as collections of surface-level quirks, you lose out on what actually makes people tick in a meaningful way. Enneagram's core comprises of three base neuroses that supposedly encompass the entirety of human existence. Each type both fixates on these neuroses in different priorities and handles these neuroses with different coping mechanisms. Some types overlap with primary neurosis, and others overlap with the coping mechanism. This is how the Enneagram gets its structure and evolves beyond simply defining complex, nuanced human beings as grab-bags of personality quirks. In short, do your research.

Interesting video. Thanks

Lol we were just talking about this with my group of friends/family. 😂 Thank you for this! Also, love your hair!

I remember taking it years ago and it gave me high scores for like half of the groups.

Thank you for the video!

I like things like enneagram and other personality types because while they might not be scientifically sound, they do at least open up a dialogue and give vocabulary to make me aware of what my tendencies are in certain situations. I usually score as a 9, but I also act like a 2 and 4 and have some aspects of all of the types (as does everyone) but I’ve become more aware of what I tend to do sometimes.

The only time I’ve used the Enneagram system is when developing characters for writing or video games. It’d probably also be a cool basis for a magic system in a video game, like the Zodiac system in Final Fantasy: Tactics.

I was never much drawn in by the enneagram... but you've got me craving more info on the Big Five now! *goes to find that other video, and then will google more*. :)

@DavidLindes

5 жыл бұрын

Found it! (Took a while, so sharing.) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIJqwa1vca_Liqw.html

So who else had never heard of this Enneagram thing until they watched this video? I've literally never heard of this at all.

I mostly use the enneagram to further develop my dnd characters personalities 😂😂

I have always felt like Type 9 is me on my good days, and Types 4 & 5 are me on my bad days. Even if I look at the system in terms of core fears and motivations (as you’re supposed to) rather than how well online descriptions of each type fit you, I feel like my core motivations can easily change depending on the situation & which fear is most relevant to who or what it is I’m dealing with. This is why I much prefer the Myers Briggs, as it’s based on a scale of preferences in four different dimensions and it acknowledges that each of the 16 types has many shades of grey based on an individual person’s strength of preference. For example, I am nothing if not an Introvert, but my other three letters are more middle of the road, yet another person of my type might be a Perceiver right down to their core, yet fairly ambiverted.

"You're such a type 8" sounds like something a *Karen* would say.

@gambooyt

3 жыл бұрын

to the manager

There's always that one personality who argues with the other 8 over what to eat. Wouldn't be so bad, if they weren't all in my head.

@OriginalPiMan

5 жыл бұрын

But since you're Canadian most of them are just apologising to each other for arguing.

Thank you for making a video about this as it is a very current issue. Though the Enneagram may encourage some self-exploration and foster conversation, it's not backed by evidence. The Big Five really is a much better alternative. For a different type of personality test that measures psychopathology, a good one is the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory 2 (MMPI-2)

Can you do an episode on the Myers-Briggs test? I personally think that it seems (more) scientific (than this), but I honestly haven't looked into it.

I mean, part of the issue is the OCEAN / Big 5 can be pretty negative and even insulting. It's pretty clear that being "neurotic" and "close-minded" is a bad thing, and the test implies that your personality is unchangeable (so if you're a close-minded, irresponsible, introverted, argumentative neurotic there's nothing you can do about it). Meanwhile, every Ennegram type has a mix of positive and negative traits, and underlying beliefs and values, and you are encourage to develop associated traits to improve your life or get along better with others. For example, I had a pretty strong "type 4" personality in high school, but over time I developed more "type 5" traits-- which made it easier to get along with others because I was better able to step back and be thoughtful, rather than give into extreme emotional impulses. That is, I got better at emotional regulation and overcame some personal biases, so I now have much better relationships. My personality changed, which is something the Ennegram is good at accepting. On the flip side, I don't think I would change into a "type 1," because I fundamentally disagree with the core beliefs and values that drive type 1. The things that motivate a type 1 actually really irritate me and put me off. But what's interesting is that, after learning that, "oh, some people are genuinely motivated by xyz, which is the opposite of my own motivations," helped me better understand the minds of people I frequently have conflict with--and, thus, get into fewer conflicts, or resolve them faster. It's a bit why acceptence-commitment therapy (ACT - which encompasses some CBT methods) was really effective in helping me improve my quality of life, while other styles didn't--and actually made my quality of life worse. Because ACT connected me to my genuine motivations and empowered me to use them to make positive changes, but other therapies are designed around motivations or to uphold values that I simply don't have. But, other people *do* have them.

at a former workplace my colleague sent me a personality description based on your sign and I don't know where i came from, who wrote it, it was just a 20 page word document for all the signs. there was a part in general about the sign and then separately for women and men. so i read mine, and it said specific things like as you age you will wear less makeup because you're skin will be more sensitive, and you go in expensive stores and try to find a bargain. a week before reading that i went into a designer store and looked around if i could find something under $50 :))) and this was a a few years ago and my skin is more sensitive compared to how it was, i don't wear foundation anymore, as opposed to that period of time when i wore it daily. it creeps me out sometimes 😂

It's a system for self discovery and growth and mental health development not just some typing system.

I honestly love your voice. It's so calming.

@hatim9687

5 жыл бұрын

yes!

@AifDaimon

5 жыл бұрын

@@ClimbOnBetabot for me, among the ladies, Brit is the best.. Among the guys, it's Hank..

It sounds like someone doesn't like the type they most identified with and criticized a system that is about growing and developing out of habits then falling into them again. It isn't pigeonholing if you allow it to be and it is meant for self-identification not for others to say so. Plus, it has so many more applications than the Myers Briggs, and any system including the "Big 5" will always put people in boxes, but everyone does have habits and recognizing them and trying to improve them (which the Enneagram emphasizes) can be very helpful. Fruit for thought.

Could you please make a video on the 4 temperaments and possible connections to the five factor model?

My experience with the enneagram system is that it works, but not because it is uselessly general, but because there are so many categories and subcategories that it can get quite specific. It still doesn't have any scientific backing or use, though. My mum had a book about it around 15 years ago. Not only do you get put in one of 9 types, there are then 9 levels within that type (1 is happy and virtuous, 9 is almost always suicidal); and then to recognise that you can't neatly slot people into 9 columns, there are wings to say you have traits in common with the category one number higher or lower than your own. There were still lots of holes in it, such as failing to recognise that you could have a large number of traits from multiple categories (even when they aren't adjacent), but it still had 243 categories once you included everything. And while sticking people in 9 categories without scientific rigour is one kind of useless; sticking them in 243 categories is another kind of useless.

Just gotta say, love that hair cut/style on you!!

I would love to see a video on why people accept the ticketed prices when shopping at a store but negotiate and attempt to lower a price when buying things from a person directly, like car sales, home sales, offerup and other things.

i enjoy the fact that she isn’t trying to push that these 9 personality types are definitive. she’s mentioned that none of these are backed by science and you can end up with many varying results. Doesn’t feel like it’s being forced, but rather a rundown of what these things are and being encouraged to look into it yourself when you have the time. absolutely enjoyed the video

Thanks 🙏

I'd like to know some more about the flaws with Myers Briggs. That's one of the first tests that come up on a Google search.

My favorite kind of "personality type" classifications are Homestuck's Classes and Aspects. As there's essentially 144 different combinations(12 "aspects" of existence, and 12 "classes" defining how one interacts with their aspect) there's a lot more room to dig deeper into specifics -- not that there's anything remotely "real" about it either, but the context of "character arcs" and self-actualization makes it so much fun to ponder even in purely fictional realms.

Counterargument: Type is determined not by test, but by the individual verifying results of the test. Tests are often misused in the way you describe. Enneagram is a personal growth tool. A type is distinguished from another type by dominant fears of the type. Every person has the entire Enneagram within them, but one is dominant.

I first learned about the Enneagram test a couple of years ago. I am Not a Psychologist. I have studied Engineering, and have interacted with many folks with different personalities in and from several different countries. Mood swings seem to be "normal" for some people, but not all that I have known for many years. I do recall something about Biorhythms and a 19th Century origin. Meyers-Briggs seems to be better way of understanding different human personalities, as long as it is NOT used to Judge, "Pigeon-hole" others, OR ourselves. Anybody ever have a "bad day" or say or do something, then think later, why did I say, or do THAT?

Can you guys do a video on the Myers-Briggs test? Honestly have never heard of the enneagram before this video. Also, is there a video about horoscopes between all the SciShow shows?

@massimookissed1023

5 жыл бұрын

They already did :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIJqwa1vca_Liqw.html

Have y'all done a video on the Myers-Briggs test?

It is obviously pseudoscience, but that doesn't mean there's nothing of value in it at all. Also, it's inaccurate to say that it only encompasses one aspect of personality because along with the main enneagram type are there things called "wings" which is a secondary type which describes your second most important motivations. Having two main types, plus four associated types related to stress and growth makes for at least six shades of influence. It can be as simple or complex as you want it to be and I find it's just an interesting way to look at human behavior and the different possible fears and motivations that might make people tick. It will be truer for some more than others. It's all just fun and theory at the end of the day.

I'd be interested in seeing how this system compares to the Myers-Briggs personality profiles. (I'm an ESTP)

I don't relate to most of the Enneagram types. I'm not a 2, I'm not a 4, I'm not a 6 or 7, I'm not an 8, and not a 9. My tritype is 153 1w9 (1 usually in integration to 7), and that type fits well. Other tritypes like 468 don't suit me at all. Standardised tests are usually not that useful. You have to find your type individually. For me personally, learning about MBTI and Enneagram helped me understand people better.

I found that the results I got from the enneagram are totally consistent with other trait tests I have taken for work, etc. If you take a test that asks you 100 things like, "Do you feel most comfortable when spending time alone?" or, "Do you like surprise parties?" or, "Would you rather sing a solo in front of an audience or put together a jigsaw puzzle with a close friend?", it's going to be pretty straightforward to distill what your personality traits are. It's not exactly witchery.

There are two types of people in this wold: people who believe in personality types, and everyone else on various parts of a spectrum.

FYI . The Enneagram changed my life, for the better . I have been informed that they are in the process of proving it scientifically. I see it as the DNA of ones personality ... soon to be proved!! Just sayin'

My in-laws were the WORST. They'd offer options but NONE of them could decide on where to go. I'd just say, "We're going to the Golden Dragon. Whoever wants to join us, follow along." And we'd all go for Chinese. They hated that I did that, but seriously, they'd never chose if I didn't. After twice watching them miss all available movies because they spent the entire evening discussing which one to see, I stepped in and decided every time after that.

This view of the enneagram is very simplistic. Of course we all have parts of each type in us, but we have a primary type and a secondary type ("wing"). The enneagram is complex, and if it was studied more in depth you would be able to see the nuances and subcategories defined better. It's all about self-awareness. It's not a box to put people in-it's a way to describe our coping mechanisms and understand what we can do to move away from our egos.

I don’t think the types/tests are perfectly accurate, but I do think it can be a good self reflection tool. Self identifying traits you relate to and evaluating whether they are strengths or weaknesses if made pretty easy by looking at stuff like this.

I actually don't have any issue with multiple types being identifiable to a person. Depending on the source type descriptions can be pretty specific, it's not vague. And if humans really did have 9 tendencies as the enneagram describes, they probably should be things that many can identify with. On a personal note, there are types I strongly DISidentify with.

So how does Hexaco compare to Big Five?

im not saying the enneagram has any scientific value, but it IS incredibly accurate in how in determines types. the thing you said about vague generalisations does not apply here, that seems more a horoscope thing. our types describes mine and my friends' personalities 100%, so much so it's scary, and i can easily tell which type my friends are without them doing a test, which shows to me that it isn't just based on vague generalisations

I would love a similar episode about MBTI! Or if someone here in the comments got some sources on how good or bad it is.

@SciShowPsych

5 жыл бұрын

We covered it in our other episode about personality tests! kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIJqwa1vca_Liqw.html

@LoveSasukeKai

5 жыл бұрын

@@SciShowPsych Thank you so much! I must have missed that episode, my bad.

The problem with the Big 5 is that it stigmatises disability and doesn't factor in that a person may want to be able to do something and also be inclined towards doing it, but be physically unable to do so for a variety of reasons. Example: I scored high on orderliness, which is a direct result of fibro and knowing I have to choose my battles. By keeping everything tidy, I have the energy for cleaning when it's required most of the time, and don't have to waste my time on tidying before cleaning can commence. Same goes for adventurousness - I was thrill-seeking and risk-taking before doing so would result in me being bedridden for weeks or months. So this test is inherently ablist.

Have you done a video on the Meyers-briggs test?

What about the Color code personality test. So far seems more specific and defined but limited to 4 groups focused on motivators that result in certain behaviors feelings, and thoughts

Counter argument- all personality psyche is either vague or limiting and the premise that there are types itself asserts a much more rigid nature to individuals than they’ll actually demonstrate. I feel the only value they offer is in discussing results with others and sharing the evidence for how you/others fit different categories. These all offers a non-hostile/neutral mode of conversation to share the different ways actions or intentions are perceived. Every model is only as good as its function; if we’re looking for accuracy we should just use direct adjectives. All this is just a language game to the same end. Otherwise the function of personality psyche is for relational perspective.

never heard this one before, but i'm familiar with the Myers-Briggs test..

As a 9w1 I’ve found it very helpful. Both to understand myself and others. I collect 6s like they are going out of style. My stability is something that 6s appreciate even if I’d rather be more dynamic.

@thaliacoombs39

5 жыл бұрын

P Cochran Yh im a 9 and I have a tone of 6s in my life 😂.

Here is what I find about the Enneagram. Divide 1 by 7. You get 0.142857... This sequence is precisely the same as the progression you mention at 1:26 if you get stressed. To me this is a fun mathematical thing that has been presented as a personality theory, so that is why I question the Enneagram.

Never heard of it. Mbti and the Jung's personality types are the ones I know about.

I'm guessing the same applies for the Briggs-Meyers test?

Thanks for the debunk.

I had never heard of Enneagram before I opened this video, and the ad that played before it was for the Enneagram Test. Either the KZread algorithm has a great sense of humor or has yet to understand the definition of "irony".

I'm 100% going to take that test, assuming it's free and online. That being said, it will only be for fun, and for the sake of seeing its flaws first hand.

@massimookissed1023

5 жыл бұрын

Do it again a week later.

@aubee2744

5 жыл бұрын

the tests are bull but the system isn’t. maybe the test can narrow it down for you but read through the type descriptions and find which one stands out to you. If you’re really curious though, look into enneagram books and podcasts. i didn’t really learn much about myself initially that i didn’t already know, but as i got deeper i started to learn so much stuff not just about me but people in my life who i sometimes struggles to understand. i’m not saying enneagram is for everyone but it sure helped me.

Scishow, thoughts on Kokology?

Why is this one of the only videos I can find critiquing the enneagram??? We need more. It's been so harmful to my mental health.

So popular? Myers-Briggs is the only one I had come across until very recently.

I've never heard of this test, I thought this would be about the D&D alignment chart.

Did you link video that you recommended?

@DavidLindes

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fIJqwa1vca_Liqw.html

Is the Meyers-Briggs any more evidence-supported?

I find it odd when people try to categorize people when most personality research is focused on continuous variables in a dynamic system. However, I don't find test-retest reliability a strong argument against these tests. It's popular in the trait approach (like the big 5), but in a dynamic approach isn't personality supposed to be fluid?

I have literally never heard of this personality type system before. Myers-Briggs, yes.

also looking at that system and its pattern lay out and connections I have to ask why is it symetrical? because that shows it almost completely artificial if it was truely mapping connetion between its various facets those connection would almost defininately un symetric or not sharing the same amount of connections to you other parts of data like the guardian might split to 5 others while another might only connect to 1 other type if this was a realistic study

I think with these online tests like enniagram, mbti, socionics etc it's more about preference than anything else. Only because you got one type as a result doesn't mean you necessarily have to 100% agree with it's description and disagree with the description of other types, it's just more likely that you will. And yes, your results may vary from test to test but that might be due to some tests being inaccurate or you interpreting the same questions in a different way

I know the Enneagram isn't 100% scientific, but the Barnum effect doesn't really apply to it in my opinion. I got typed as a 5w6, and after reading each type, I could see that some could sort of be like me, but only the five was accurate, even down to the wing type. Also, I don't think you mentioned tri-types? I feel like quite a few things were left out in this video, but it was enjoyable otherwise.

Having done tests for the Big Five Assessment, Enneagram, DISC, and the MBIT. It wasn’t as though the questions I had for the Big Five Assessment were different and clearly more detailed. They used the same kind of questions, like “I am always prepared.” This question is JUST like the other questions you would get from any other tests that I have done. Because the questions were all the same, I received the same kind of information from all of the tests. Big Five Assessment, Enneagram, DISC, and MBIT all revealed that I am a highly conscientious observer who cares a lot about details, but I may also be so focused on details that I am slower with my tasks. It isn’t as though the Big Five Assessment gave me information that shows how the Big Five Assessment is clearly the best. When you do think about the geometry used in the Enneagram, you will see a few things that I personally find very interesting. You have a core type, but you also have a wing, which is indicated by a number next to your primary number. As a type 5, my wing is 4. There are enough videos about what these types mean, so I am not going to talk about that. Then there are three triads, each with three numbers that are linked. The guts are used by 8, 9, and 1 and the unhealthy form of oneself is angriness. 2, 3, and 4 make use of the heart triangle, which is about emotions, engaging your heart, and having shame as a fundamental notion in your triggers. Finally, 5, 6, and 7 are all linked since they are mostly done with your head, which can also be thought of as being extremely consciously aware of what you do. The head triad joins individuals that are really engaged in creating something, and they all have the same fundamental concept, which is experiencing fears and incorporating these concerns into their thinking.Then there are three triads, each with three numbers that are linked. The guts are used by 8, 9, and 1 and the unhealthy form of oneself is angriness. 2, 3, and 4 make use of the heart triangle, which is about emotions, engaging your heart, and having shame as a fundamental notion in your triggers. Finally, 5, 6, and 7 are all linked since they are mostly done with your head, which can also be thought of as being extremely consciously aware of what you do. The head triad joins individuals that are really engaged in creating something, and they all have the same fundamental concept, which is experiencing fears and incorporating these concerns into their thinking. Then there are the stances, which depict aggressive, withdrawn, and compliant behaviors in three triangles, and they demonstrate how we get what we need and desire. As a type 5, I am used to responding to the world in a withdrawn manner. Last, there are two arrow for each type. One of these arrows shows our stress, so we can be more consciously aware of some of our triggers and some of our default reactions. The second arrow shows our growth, showing the healthier version of ourselves. I'm not asking you to believe in this theory because I feel there are logical grounds to perceive helpful information in it. However, I do want you to understand what this idea is all about. This speaker makes it seem as though possessing one of the nine categories is the sole thing that this theory reveals, which is wrong. Perhaps SciShow Psych is lazy and doesn't want to discuss what this theory actually is and WHY the Big Five Assessment is supposed to be superior. Anyone who understands just enough to declare that this theory has 9 categories without discussing any other aspect of this theory is, in my opinion, being arrogant. 😾

Am I the only one who has never heard this test before? Like she keeps mentioning it being popular but I usually see alignment charts or the Meyers Briggs test

I never understood the enneagram test lmao i literally fit in none of the boxes. same with some other folks i know too

Does this also apply to personality types based on zodiac signs? Surely the correlation between birth month and personality type is enough!

I'd also like to point out that this personality test is 100% positive. No neediness, no anger management, no tendency for bad feelings... I'm pretty sure you can't define a personality without the ability to describe negative traits (unless all negative traits are now considered disease or something, but to me that seems pretty avoiding)

It's not what you do...it's what you think while you're doing it.

Firstly let me explain why test results of a person may not be correct or differ from time to time; because some people can not monitor themselves, aren’t able to see how they actually behave. They may be very irresponsible but see themselves as responsible etc. I’ve seen a lof of people misleading Enneagram tests and as a result manipulating the result of the test without knowing. So the tests aren’t reliable and they don’t represent the Enneagram system. Secondly; Enneagram is an esoteric knowledge sourcing the ancient times, the producer is not known as you mentioned, so positive science apperantly won’t take it as something valuable. But the truth is, human science isn’t only about positive science, even therapists agree with this. And lastly, Enneagram is not only one of the personality types, it’s the real science of the spiritual part of the person.

as if the big 5 and MBTI were that accurate and backed by scientific evidence...