This one was fun, thanks for having me on again CBC Vancouver! My apologies to Delta.

@xogus8551

4 жыл бұрын

About Here but it's true...

@cjmel3927

4 жыл бұрын

Amazing work

@juliansmith4295

Жыл бұрын

Did whoever suggested Delta as an alternative have any ideas on how to get those passengers to Vancouver, or were they just expected to hang out in a bog somewhere. Anyway, excellent video, as always.

Really like the reporting style of Uytae Lee. I wish he posts these videos on his own channel.

@xogus8551

4 жыл бұрын

Jun Sian Lee He does! His channel is called About Here and he discusses a lot about city/urban planning topics on it. Super fun to watch :)

@JunSian1001

4 жыл бұрын

@@xogus8551 Yup, I have subscribed to his channel and watched all his videos there. He has not posted anything for 2 months.

@somethingsomething404

Жыл бұрын

I suspect CBC has signed him to an exclusivity deal

This guy makes some of the best content out there. Pay him more, give him staff, get these things going on a weekly basis.

I'm always excited when I see there is a new Uytae video

@JunSian1001

4 жыл бұрын

Me too! :D

@nicholaskraak7108

4 жыл бұрын

I legit think it's the only channel where I actively drop whatever I'm doing when I see a new video.

“This chonk” Love it!

I'm glad you addressed the problems with the cruise industry at the end of the video. Without any limit on the number of tourists, your city quickly becomes one giant souvenir stand for boat boomers.

@Dino-uv2ng

4 жыл бұрын

1.5 billion liters of sewage into the Straights from these cruise ships. Add that to raw sewage from Victoria. But outta sight.....

@TheoWerewolf

4 жыл бұрын

I hope I live long enough to enjoy whomever comes after Millennials spending their time laughing, calling Millennials names and putting them down for things like avocado toast and whatever environmental disaster the Millennials accidentally create.

@0xsergy

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheoWerewolf What do you mean 'accidental'? how do you 'accidentally' dump tons of garbage. 100% intentional. Noone rags on boomers for accidental problems because they didnt know better.. its the common sense ones like putting your trash in a can not the ocean

@CRAZYMANIAC44

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dino-uv2ng Sorry. We're working on it. Takes a while for construction around this place *cough* bridge *cough*

only ever problem i ever thought of, was the traffic, the bridge makes because it is only 3 lanes ..............

@jasonbeallie5535

4 жыл бұрын

it needs to be widened to 6 lanes for sure.

@lm1584

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbeallie5535 that would just place congestion at the North end of the bridge in the afternoon, and on W. Georgia in the morning. There are so many bottlenecks up and down that corridor.

@naruto0123456780

4 жыл бұрын

@@lm1584 true. Honestly just adding one more lane to make it symmetrical would be fine.

@jfhow

4 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbeallie5535 all the traffic has to go onto existing streets, which are already very congested

@johnleach7879

4 жыл бұрын

I agree to a point. And that point is financing. The GG bridge in SF was paid for years ago. It is 8-lanes. Yet, today, the toll is $8!! WHY? Watch out what you wish for.

CBC, please more Uytae Lee videos please

I think this is a problem with cruise ships being too big, not bridges being too low. Anyway it seems like if this really is a problem for Vancouver, it’s probably cheaper and faster to build a cruise ship trip terminal rather than modifying or replacing the bridge.

@lesliengo8347

5 сағат бұрын

ships can also be built longer, not taller.

WE NEED MORE OF THIS GUY

I’m going on a 7 day inside passage cruise of Alaska, starting in Vancouver this summer. Stay strong champ 💪

It's not just cruse ships, it's container ships too. To which raising the bridge might be a reasonable idea, but it would cut off West/North Van during that process. It's a landmark as much as the golden gate in SF is, so we can't just tear it down like any of the others. However, if the flight costs are really the issue driving cruise ships away from Vancouver, then that's probably for the best. The bridge issue comes along with the problem of how to just get people between downtown Vancouver and North/West Vancouver, and until there is a decision to extend the Skytrain, it probably will something kicked down the road until it is too late to do anything without cutting off North Van.

@vonn1334

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t have to demolish the bridge to raise it.

The Lions gate bridge is the same height as the Bridge of the Americas over the Panama Canal. Cruise lines are much more concerned with transiting the canal than they are with Vancouver!

@charlesharper2357

4 жыл бұрын

Good point...I didn't believe it at first so I actually checked. The Bridge of the Americas was built in the early 60s with the approval of the US Navy...

I think Delta would be a fine place for a cruise terminal. Passengers can enjoy Tsawwassen Mills, Save-On Foods in Ladner, and that sketchy area where Highway 17 meets Highway 99. It's the unique west coast experience everyone is craving.

@welfare201

Жыл бұрын

This is a serious issue. Seattle’s cruise terminal is right downtown, within walking distance of the Space Needle. Victoria’s cruise dock is not as walkable from downtown, but it’s close enough that you can run rapid shuttles. Delta would be bad for tourism, unless there was a rapid service to downtown, costing hundreds of millions.

@NoSpam1891

Жыл бұрын

@@welfare201 SkyTrain is rapid.

@innosam123

Жыл бұрын

@@NoSpam1891 Not fast enough for Delta. It'd still take about an hour by SkyTrain to go from Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal to Downtown.

This isn't an issue. The Jones Act means (with rare exceptions) every single one of these ships will need to dock at a Canadian city. Even if they leave from Seattle.

@czechsanchez01

4 жыл бұрын

is that because they're registered under flags of convenience rather than being US vessels?

@steven_jahn

4 жыл бұрын

@@czechsanchez01 Correct. They have to either start and finish in Canada or make one stop in a Canadian city. Since Victoria is limiting their cruise ship intake, Vancouver is the only other option that is appealing to cruise itineraries. The video raises a concern that isn't an issue unless US law changes.

@garryej

3 жыл бұрын

@@czechsanchez01 Jones Act requires ships going within the US must be US carriers. Stopping off at Vic or VR circumvents this law.

Excellent reporting. Uytae Lee is a natural talent.

The economic math is a little complicated, because clients on cruise ships have everything paid for, including all food. Sure, they may drop a bit of change at either end of the cruise, but mostly they buy only trinkets. Some money goes to local tours, though that cash is narrowly focused. Likewise a few Canadians work on those ships, though most are from elsewhere. Cruise ships drop off many tons of garbage, which needs to be accounted for. Cruise ships generally run their diesel engines continuously at port, so pollution is a factor. They use fuel and food purchased more cheaply outside of Canada so they don't pay Canadian taxes for consumables. Yup, there is a continuous stream of port taxes that can be addictive to local cities, but out of that the city is expected to upgrade the port and provide support services. There is pretty much no charge for the real adventure, an amazing trip through the Vancouver Island inside passage, our home.

I love this guy’s news editorial stories ... always very compelling & watch worthy.

CBC is lucky to have this host.

Such an informative well constructed video! Always looking out for vids by Uytae!

Watching this video during Covid19 pandemic and seeing the beating the cruise industry is taken, I don't think the height of the bridge is going to be the main issue for Vancouver's tourism cruise industry.

These are all fantastic. Glad to finally have some bad ass video essays about our city!

Very well balanced analysis of the problem! Excellent.

Excellent report. Thanks for this piece of journalism!

Another great video. Keep up the good work Uytae!

when he said delta was known for krispy kreme i felt that

Fun fact Seattle is planning on converting at least on slot in the cargo terminal to accommodate another cruise ship. Currently 3 cruise ships can be docked simultaneously.

Thank you Uytae, well done. If anyone needs a new bridge it Taylor across the Peace River, just South of Fort St John. It's an old worn out steel deck bridge, with welders burning rod constantly to keep it whole. Please come North and make us a video, we could use your honest insights. Best analysis of a subject ever :-)

Finally a good video by CBC. Nice job.

I picked Seattle as the air fair was less for my AK cruise. Both SEA and YVR are great cities. To visit YVR I landed in Seattle (watch those airport taxes - Yikes), rented a car and drove to YVR and then took ferry's to visit Vancover Island. SouthWest has some very reasonable fares to Seattle. Excellent video. Your right about the pollusion from these ships as most use "Bunker Oil" to run engines that create electricity to power the props. This fuel is so dense that to burn it, it has to be heated prior to being burned in the engines. I toured the engine room of a cruise ship and it is amazing, but this fuel is one dirty dude. It looks like sludge or tar prior to being heated.. Look at the port of Long Beach air quality and you willl see the smoke from the many ships that dock there. Love Vancover, and Victoria, and Seattle.

Uytae is back baby.

This guys videos are great.

You also need to realize why those Seattle departure ships need to make that Canadian stop at all. If they didnt stop in Canada, the ship would only be travelling between American ports, and then would be subject to American labor laws making ship labor very expensive. That stop in BC is just as important to the cruise company as it is to the port.

@jackmacdonald8499

4 жыл бұрын

I knew there was a requirement to stop in Canada, but did not understand the reason. Thanks for the info.

Who remembers Final Destination 5?

Good presentation style. I actually learned something!

No mention in this story of the shock tourists receive when they disembark right into Canada's poorest neighbourhood. It's not just the sheer number of homeless it's also their staggering level of destitution, addiction and untreated mental illness. That's what cruise ship tourists remember about their visit to Vancouver.

@crosswire7777

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah!! Right into the Fairmont Pan Pacific, Alberni, and the financial district. YOU TELL EM!

@brianmcdonald9502

4 жыл бұрын

The tourists can get pictures with all the skid row drug addicts.

@charlesharper2357

4 жыл бұрын

I drove taxi in Brisbane, Australia for a few years. Whenever somebody who traveled to Vancouver found out I was from BC they almost always talked about how horrified they were about all the beggars, junkies and drunks they saw.

Thanks for this great content

Hm I would have though that a three lane bridge with one reversing lane that's the only connection from North and West Van to downtown might have been a slightly more significant issue.

Good job man, well-made content. Please do the next video about airline monopolies in Vancouver which makes the costs skyrocketed.

I am so happy to hear you came to that final conclusion: it’s a blessing in disguise. Or... why not have the passengers of those large monster ship use shuttle boats to Wreck Beach? From there it’s an easy stroll into downtown...🤣🤣🤣

good analysis.

Another great video👍

We need one more bridge atleast. We can't keep up with traffic anymore

What's the best part about living in Delta, BC? Never having to say you're Surrey.

Thoughtful video with deft touch.

more videos like this pls !

Wooohoooo my favourite creator showcase is back

This guy is awesome!

Very interesting

Love your videos👍👍Keep it up😉

I see I'm a little late to the show... but this was really well done. Took you for a ride while weighing all the pros and cons.

Seems like the anxieties of "we don't have enough space for this economically profitable but also environmentally damaging venture!" are a common theme between Vancouver and London, as are KZread documentary videos about them.

If the problem is the cost of travel to Vancouver vs. Seattle. The loss of the cruising industry isn't a blessing in disguise, it's the canary in the coalmine.

That 61 meter clearance under the Lions Gate only occurs a few days a year, on the highest king tides. But about six hours after a high king tide, you get a low king tide, when the bridge clearance sometimes reaches about 66 meters. The rest of the year, during normal tides, the clearance ranges from about 62-64 meters. It does mean large ships have to adjust their schedules to work with the tides, but that’s a routine task in navigation. So the problem with the Lions Gate isn’t nearly as bad as suggested here. Except for the very largest mega-cruise ships.

These ships are major polluters so why raise the bridge for them?

@Grahameajohnson

4 жыл бұрын

Because otherwise they're going to find another nearby location, and the most-likely plan would be to take the example of Roberts Bank / Deltaport and either add to the square-footage of the existing facility - which, btw, is already poised to add 2-3 more massive cargo ship berths and all related infrastructure - or build their own causeway and separate facility, either of which option would greatly impact wildlife in that ecologically-sensitive area. And no, the cruise ship companies are not simply going to give up going to greater Vancouver, it's simply too lucrative.

@Cameron-or1fr

4 жыл бұрын

they are not that bad, sure they use a fair amount of fuel but there is often thousands passengers, if you base it on a per passenger basis, an entire cruise is comparable to an economy flight from new york to tokyo

@twoah927

4 жыл бұрын

Because they are just gonna go somewhere else at least bring in some revenue that could be spent on green initiatives.

@PrivilegedPat

4 жыл бұрын

CYYZ_Spotter is that money being spent on Green Initiatives now?

@MrAnonymousRandom

4 жыл бұрын

Raise the bridge? The bridge is obsolete already. It needs to replaced with something that has at least 6 lanes instead of the current 3 lanes. As for pollution, the port is set up to allow the ships to hook up to the local power grid. You're sounding like you've never purchased something that is made in China.

Just like the Bayonne Bridge, they could raise the deck, although it is very expensive. Otherwise, they'll just have to build a taller suspension or cable-stayed bridge right alongside it.

I suspect this mini-documentary was made before covid-19...

cool vid!

Cruise ships now consider to embark at Delta Port to avoid the congestion inside Burrard Inlet

So does Lion's Gate Bridge creates problem or not? I am confused.

The title of this video is "The Problem with Lions Gate Bridge.." but it's about Cruise ship Industry.

Well done articulate video. Never too late to raise the Lions Gate Bridge.

@lesliengo8347

5 сағат бұрын

or not allow super tall ships. The Lions Gate Bridge is already tall enough, and ships can be made longer, not taller.

It’s important to note that non US flagged ships are required to stop in Canada before going to Alaska because of the Jones act foreign ships can’t transport pax between two us ports

Give the Lions Gate Bridge a Raise! 🔝

Bravo!!! .. Good decision .. I say, eventually the bridge will need to be replaced and make it taller THEN! :)

I think the size of the ships are the problem. Ships can be built longer, not taller, and certain aspects of ships can be adjusted, like how many cargo a cargo ship is carrying. While bridges can be heightened, for the sake of the cruise ship's company profits and the cost of increasing the height, is just not desirable.

Reporter: This Chonk. Me, a millenial: I relate to this.

Building a new cruise terminal in Delta needs a Canada Line extension to be built from Richmond-Brighouse station, as well as building extended platforms at all Canada Line stations to fit 4-car trains. Raising the height of Lions Gate Bridge requires checking on the legitimacy of performing major works at national historic site, together with performing studies on environmental impact to Stanley Park (if required). It’s clear to decide which proposal is much better. (Of course, flights to Vancouver are really getting more and more expensive...)

@MrAnonymousRandom

4 жыл бұрын

There's no need for a Canada line extension to Delta. It's just a matter of chartering enough tour buses. It's going to take more than the cruise ships to justify all that construction work. The Canada line's short platforms is a corner that should not have been cut to begin with. Most people who have taken a cruise ship before can tell you that they are not going to risk using public transit to travel such a long distance. The ship is in port for 8-12 hours, you don't have time to waste, and you are going to be stranded if you don't make it back on board in time. But even then, being able to get off the ship at downtown is something that cannot be substituted from a convenience standpoint. Most of the tourist attractions for this kind of day trip are in downtown. The suggestion that the Lions gate bridge can be raised to solve this problem is absurd. If you are going to be spending big bucks on the bridge or tunnel, it would be for a replacement with 6 or more lanes. Going to that length to preserve an obsolete bridge is a waste of taxpayer dollars. The Lions Gate bridge, the Massey Tunnel, and the Pattullo bridge are a disgrace. These crossings really makes me wonder if I am living in a third world country.

Normally a CBC youtube video is pretty lame, good job with this Uytae Lee

Victoria's mayor and council also likes the money tit. They let a festival company have extension of noise bylaw till two in the morning on the weekend. thus causing a flood of complaints to the police which she then told to not take those complaints. They also lied about sound meter readings, just so they would be seen as the growing nights spot area. It wasn't till threats of lawsuits did they back off. Oh and the mayor , she lives in oak bay.

05:24 ... wait a minute here... Victoria is concerned about the environment, yet they still flush their raw sewage straight into the ocean ?? Pot, meet kettle.

@smallstudiodesign

3 жыл бұрын

Umm .. why perpetrate really old outdated misinformation? That’s no longer a fact.

Just started watching - Hard to imagine the cost to replace it

@brianmcdonald9502

4 жыл бұрын

Groper will pay for it he loves the lower mainland and all the stupid snowflakes that live there.

well done:) Pip

There are many cities in the world where the port is not near the city advertised (like Rome - Civitavecchia 58km away).

dont forget there's barely any support parts dude, and it look very wavy

Lions Gate Bridge has always had traffic since the 70's so what if you need to relax, take in the views as your driving across, or below the Lions Gate Bridge. Musical theatre, Mulkin Bowl The Bridge has historical value, and so is Stanley Park. if Delta can take on the bigger ships and let Lions Gate be. Delta can expand its port of call, and invite Cruise ships to be a port of call, are a port of call for crews not just for boomers Silent Generation remained quiet about the Lions Gate Bridge for decades, and now the bridge is passed onto the next generation quietly onto the next generation to discover the blessings and pitfalls of running a major city with and without cruise ships.

@chrissmith1521

3 жыл бұрын

What exactly is historical about a bunch of metal?

Glad you addressed the cruise ship industry itself , Venice pretty much turned into a toilet, all that waste from the cruise has to go somewhere and most Venetians don't actually live in the city...they're being driven out by tourists.

if the lions gate bridge was re-done, would there be a space for a sky train? as a tourist it seemed strange that all the skytrains stop at waterfront and doesn't serve north van at all

@magnoliaflower3310

Жыл бұрын

I would pick skytrain over sea bus and bus any day. It would be nice to expand to West Van and North Van.

0:52 I saw this ship at Canada Place when i went to Vancouver in sep 2019 from melbourne

Iona Island makes sense ... jetty’s already built - and close to jets at YVR

@adanactnomew7085

2 жыл бұрын

Who wants to go to Iona?

Agree. Tourism can get outta hand big time.

The video brushed over the Jones Act and how it created the Vancouver cruise business in the first place. Couldn’t a new terminal be built at Kitsilano Beach? ;-)

@charlesharper2357

4 жыл бұрын

You think people in Kits want to lose their beach to cruise ships?

@smallstudiodesign

3 жыл бұрын

Because I’d oppose it. 🤮

Can you drop the music list, i feel like the last one song is some italian 60s piero piccioni? Umiliani? Im on the right path right?

The only problem with the Lions Gate Bridge: five lanes of traffic merging into one, leading to frequent motor vehicle accidents and causing bridge closure for hours. The Guinness family didn't think far into the future when they built it.

I thought this video is about traffic problem over the lion gate bridge.

Great little video - Need to pair down big boats and go electric anyhow. Cruise ships cause so much greenhouse gases

Love the video. But... We could use this as a reason to finally replace the Lionsgate Bridge. It's long over due.

Seattle .... Much cheaper to be a boat owner .... The big guys know that even if you are just passing by

Cruises out of Seattle miss the inside passage. Cruising is an environmental nightmare, but most things that humans do are environmentally questionable.

@arosenweig

Жыл бұрын

Actually, cruising out of Seattle will still give you the opportunity to cruise the inside passage. People prefer departing from Seattle since their airport offers more flight options along with lower airfares than Vancouver does. Especially, for those who live in the US.

Great research as always! Indeed ships can bring foreign organism from all over the world, so there's always more risk if the business is left untethered.

liked video

Chonk. Legend.

61 m between the bridge and water: high tide or low tide?

Final destination 5 fans where are you

i'd say if they're planning on raising the bridge, they should also add 3 more lanes to it; 3 north, 3 south to ease the traffic as the north shore is increasing in population. but i don't see it happening in my lifetime

@livinginvancouverbc2247

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know about that. The new Port Mann Bridge got built and the old one is gone and mostly forgotten.

@Grahameajohnson

4 жыл бұрын

Adding lanes could only happen by building a new crossing; the bridge deck is as heavy as safely possible at the moment. A perfect example of this is shown by the replacement of the entire deck back in 2000-2001. Lighter materials had to be used in order to add the little width that they did, including wider lanes and walkways. The cables and superstructure can't take any more weight.

@Gluteus.Maximus

4 жыл бұрын

They should build an underwater tunnel. All the coolest cities have em

@RicciChoi1109

4 жыл бұрын

brabus maximus Nope...the geology of the entire BC Lower Mainland basically make any underground tunnels too difficult to be built in “soft” sedimentary rock layers.

@MrAnonymousRandom

4 жыл бұрын

Only a fool would spend that kind of money to preserve an obsolete bridge. It is as stupid as all the effort that has been put into prolonging the life of the Pattullo bridge. The Lions Gate bridge is long overdue for a minimum 6 lane replacement. If A.J. Taylor had his way when the bridge was built, his 4 lane bridge might have been reworked into 6 lanes instead of the current 2 lanes into 3 lanes.

I love Vancouver

Did CBC Vancouver hire some geo majors or urban planners lately? 👍👍

What was wrong with the first video, posted 3 hours ago, to which I posted to, which is now gone?

The root cause of Vancouver’s traffic problem is down to the 3 J’s: Brij, merj and Raj

So doesn’t cruise ships bother the Orcas? Or is it just tankers, from Canada, not the hundreds of U.S. ones that ply the same routes ? Just Canadian ones. Will this be demonstrated? Not likely.