It is a poor carpenter that blames his tools. This was on you. The information is out there. You build the room around the projector.

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

Odd, the instruction manual didn't say that I should start with an unfinished basement so that I could build around this unit. Way too much hassle! And after installing a regular projector, I'm not sure there were any inherent advantages to the short throw projector.

@MatthewParksSr

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin again, There is a plethora of great information on the internet that could have helped better informed the decision. Particularly with regard to an expensive purchase. Especially since projectors are a reflected medium as opposed to a directive medium, like a TV monitor. Mounting, reflection, diffraction, viewing angle, throw angle, brightness, throw distance, light reflection, LoS and light rejection are all considerations off the top of my head that I have to learn when considering my first projector. These consideration all carried over to subsequent projector. But if I want the best experience and ROI, I put in the time. You have to design any room around a projecter for optimal results particularly because it is reflective. The advantage of a short throw over a long throw, which I have owned both, is that you do have to have ~11 feet of unobstructed line of sight air space between your viewing area, where you sit and the screen that you viewing, contingent on your desired viewable screen size. The may mean the exploration of various mounting options and even some creative keystoning. A short throw means you have less of the focus of design is around the mounting options and LoS of the projector which shifts to the screen making it more like a TV. Though, pound for pound, projectors will give you more screen size for the buck, considering the recent availability and pricing reductions of extra large screen tvs, 75 - 85 inches, I have sold my projectors, and have moved toward direct images media such as LG C1s.

@suntzu1550

Жыл бұрын

Just got my first short throw projector. Totally different experience. Feel like you’ve just not done the right research.

@ptroy72blue

Жыл бұрын

Good point Mat but another is maybe you shouldn't have to or the manufacturer should provide or offer clear pre-reqs. Yes maybe you and I understand this the research bit but home theater experience shouldn't be a science experiment. Manufacturer also hold some responsibility. For example slapping Atmos on a sound bar doesn't mean that it always produces Atmos sound. We may understand that but how many don't get that if it's not in the source material your NOT getting Atmos. Also you can't get Atmos unless you have at least two height channels and PLUS most Atmos tracks streamed or otherwise are quite week. Don't get me started on Atmos more Dolby BS marketing to rip consumer's

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

@@MatthewParksSr I mean, are you listening to yourself? Look at how much information you just described just to make a reasonable experience with the projector possible. This is a *consumer level product* that is marketed as plug-and-play. The manual for this projector is practically shorter than your comment, and that's more or less my point with this video. I'm making this video available, so that in the course of doing research, people can understand the inherent downsides - including not just immutable items such as a room itself, but also the non-existence of appropriate furniture. It's an unfair expectation on the manufacturer's part to make the customer have to figure out the setup and not offer solutions to common problems. It's unreasonable.

I purchased a wemax nova as well. The fixed aspect ratio relative to the size which directly affects the image height was the exact problem I had as well. I was shooting for a 150" screen but that literally placed the image 17" off the ground. Not wanting the wemax sitting directly on the floor, I decided to ceiling mount it. It was really a major pain but inverting the problem has solved what I was I was hoping to accomplish.

Wow I can see like three easy solutions with just a little effort. 1. Put the projector on a sliding tray. 2. Tilt the rear of the projector up slightly with a shim under the base. 3. Make a frame and stretch your own projector screen to eliminate surface flaws. Probably took you longer to make and upload this to do any one of those.

Hello, some others have already pointed out what you could improve (I'll check your other videos). But it's an unbiased honest opinion and experience of you, what many other users will have. So it's good that you released this video!

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that, thank you! In my other home theater videos I've returned the UST projector and went with a conventional one.

I appreciate knowing this before I jump into purchasing this. this isn’t what other youtubers reviewing the Formovie would tell me so I’m glad I’m hearing this from you - definitely need to figure out my furniture and distances and everything before making a purchase like this.

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! And yeah, they make it sound like things always go perfectly, there's no inherent compromises, etc.

bro you did absolutely no research before buying 😂 dude is using a pull down screen 😂 i needed this laugh thanks

@aminabello2454

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

I'll concede that these short throws are so finnicky that they can't deal with anything other than a perfect surface... but most of my points still stand. You need a very peculiar setup for the room - some of which you can't really do much about, which is ceiling height. You can't get a proper large picture with a sub 8' ceiling without major compromises, or having to basically put this thing on the floor in an awkward space like 3 feet from the wall. You also need specialized furniture. I don't know, for all the fuss you have to go through, I don't really understand the advantage of this over a traditional projector.

*HELPFUL INFO FOR ANYONE BUYING SHORT THROWS* I have a wemax A300 *and* a Formovie Cinema 2. And had dozens of older projectors 1. INVEST in a black screen be prepared to spend 2k on your screen! (It's a game changer) 2. Easiest furniture fix. Buy 2 of whatever you're planning to sit it on against the wall. Ie. Ikea tv cabinet get 2! It sticks out from the wall but at least it's nice and flat and you have plenty of space to size the image how you want. 3. You may experience issues connecting PC's because of DRIVER issues (remember one is using android the others using say windows). 4. If you haven't bought yet get the 2nd editions of the whatever new version comes out. Like a car they tend to have fixed any issues from the original release model. (Ie. The Formovie 2 is FAR brighter, and much more rugged compared to the original (bigger fan vents, cooler chip temp and so on). If you are willing to invest in the above it really is an amazing theatre experience! Every bit as good perhaps better than watching a movie in a theatre! (No joke the detail is amazing for the screen sizes!)

Your channel is entertaining. Nice Ume (plum blossom) painting by the way

The one and only video available which answered my exact queries. And what about the issue of projector light washing the ceiling above? Is it too distracting? For the facts you stated in the video and the ceiling light wash, I will stick to longthrow projector. Thanks.

would you recommend a normal throw laser projector isntead of a DLP ? my old DLP has color wheel problems i think and maybe lasers dont have those issues or require less maintenance which i dont like

Really good video ! The Truth behind a projector... Lots of things to think about

Idk man the longer I watch this the more I think you should’ve started with the projector, and it’s pretty common knowledge that you want a mounted alr screen for these

@wazup3333

Жыл бұрын

Alr screens are overpriced

@youarehere0

Жыл бұрын

Don't need ALR unless your room has a lot of light coming in from outside or you are a fan of watching content with all the lights on in your house (which I find strange personally). The very least you need is a cheap fixed frame projector screen (Alibaba @ something like 200-600 bucks depending on size - the higher value being maybe 150", which Formovie Theater can handle).

You could have mounted the projected on the ceiling instead of placing it on the floor! Some of the UST projectors support that kind of placement and allow for the projected images to be flipped so as to provide for a projection that is larger by way of starting from a place that is as close to the earliest available initiation point (place closest to the ceiling) as possible and then continuing onward as far as possible from there, in your case, toward the floor.

On the bright side, I'm looking forward to the follow up video of how to mount a projector to the ceiling!

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

The mounting probably isn't too bad, it's making the outlets that are the fun part if you want a clean look...

Do you know how to get live TV to work? I have apps, but I can’t change the input to get to live TV.

Sorry for your unfortunate experience, but I do appreciate you posting it. I’ve had a standard projector (JVC) and had HDMI handshake issues, excessive noise issues and only a so so picture (even though I spent $500 several years ago on a professional calibration). In my new build, I’m probably going to go with a UST (though the front runner for me is the Hisense PX1 Pro.) I plan to pair it with a quality AT screen, completely control the light, and place my front 3 towers behind it. My former room only had about 7 foot ceilings, so based on your experience, UST wouldn’t have worked in that space, but the new basement has 10 foot ceilings so it shouldn’t be an issue

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah with such tall ceilings and the AT screen you should have no issues. I still find it somewhat awkward/distracting to have this big projector be within line of sight, but maybe that's just me. I guess it mostly comes down to what the room has to offer space wise.

@gerardofollano8417

8 ай бұрын

I have 7.3 ceiling and UST 120" works, depends how high from floor you set up your projector, mine is 7.5" off the floor. in a custom made cabinet which has a sliding shelf.

Great info. Man! I have been contemplating on getting laser t.v. but I can't find a live demo anywhere in my area.

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

Right lol, but a "demo" is exactly what turned out to happen for me when I ordered it from Amazon and wound up returning it.

dude its your room set up doesnt go well for your room. 7ft ceiling is low dude., minimum is 8ft. that projector is best for 8ft and higher ceiling. or you can do is have it closer to the floor get a center speaker floor stand or make your own

You can buy a much lower stand, search for wall mount tv stand but use it on the floor, or buy a ikea and install a slidings shelf in the center so the projector sits only 5- 7 inches from the ground whihc will resolev you ceiling height issue.

Another problem with these projectors is that in a home theater type setup it ends up having to be installed right where you would normally want your center channel speaker to go. To be clear the problems you outlined here are problems inherent with ultra short throw (UST) projectors, not "short throw" projectors. They are not the same thing. I actually prefer short throw projectors because they have a lot of the same advantages as a UST but none of the disadvantages that you mention here. They can still be installed at the front of your room, so that people aren't constantly walking between the projector and the screen and you also don't end up with the loss of light intensity that you get when the projector is placed farther away from the screen. They're typically less expensive than UST's as well Granted you are TYPICALLY still going to want to mount a short throw projector to the ceiling which is a problem for some people. However it was the perfect solution for me because it allowed me to free up that location for my center channel speaker. It also allowed for a nice clean look in my living room home theater as I have only the center channel speaker on a stand (same as the stands my main speakers are on but shorter), with no need for any other "furniture" at the front of my room.

For your situation I think that focusing on a smaller throw ratio is very important because it would allow you to set the projector closer to the wall. Also I believe that Formovie has a fixed focus, so maybe something with adjustable focus and raising the front feet would be a viable option for your situation. It still wouldn't be ideal because you would need to adjust keystone which does impact the image at the edges, but it may not even be noticable to you in the right circumstances.

@jamesadkinsiii7925

Жыл бұрын

Hello! I’m looking at the Formovie theater and I’ve measure it out a few times because I really want to fit a 120” screen in my living area but where the screen has to go is just under an air conditioning unit that is about 2 feet from the ceiling mounted on the wall. Therefore I’m forced to mount the 120” screen just below the ac unit and am going to have to basically set my Formovie in the floor. And if I did all of that I would still be 2in shy of the recommended placement. I saw a website that said I need to put the projector 16.9 inches below a 120” screen. I can only place it 15in below. Ultimately, I’m asking if you would know if I could place it 2 inches too high but use the 2 front legs to adjust the picture to fit the 120” screen perfectly and make up for the incorrect placement. I can place the projector as far out into the room as needed pretty much. I just didn’t wanna have to do a whole lot of keystone correction like you mentioned.

I want to switch from TV to projector. After watching this I'm so thankful to have a high ceiling.

whats up bootman! glad you posted something! Wheres Dori and Nemo? Also, looking up at a screen sucks, most TV's are too high on the wall, its a tough situation no matter how you slice it. Also, walls are *never* flat, they're all wonky like that. Between framers holding only 3/4" in any given direction and then the sheetrockers having to make it all up with mud.... it gets wild.

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's amazing how it only *looks* straight, but I'm looking forward to getting a regular projector in later this week. I already replaced the screen to a 16:9 120" diagonal and it's absolutely massive. Very excited. If I have the motivation I'll try to do a voice over video/guide on home theaters because it's a total doozy.

Did you have any issue with Focus. My top left Adjustment is not getting perfect whether I move left or right arrows.

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

I did have issues. On occasion there's a defect from factory, but you really need more or less a perfectly flat surface to project on. What are you using for a screen?

@sundarva

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin I use fixed screen on wall 120 inches. The top left corner is not getting perfect clarity

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

@Sundar Natarajan ok, fixed screen is ideal. Things to check are keystone corner correction, make sure the projector is perfectly orthogonal/perpendicular to the screen. I had to play a lot of games moving the projector up and down and forward back when trying to get a better picture. Also make sure that the leveling feet are set properly. You may consider using a level on your furniture to give yourself an idea how much you need to adjust the feet. It's best to start with the best image possible without adjustments first.

put it on the ceiling move the furniture to the sides add some decor to it you don't need a screen you can use the wall there is a special paint if you want a better definition too.

yeah never really bought into the projection screen stuff I’ll stick to a traditional flat screen OLED tv, works good enough for me

@Arvidje

Жыл бұрын

cant find a 100 inch oled below 2000,-

Does your wemax emit a loud ringing noise? Just got mine and it does. Its almost unbearable.

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

Not mine, no - but I have heard they have a wide variety of quality control issues, so I wouldn't be surprised. Either way, I wound up returning mine because I couldn't get a decent image for my setup. Got a regular projector instead - this BenQ: amzn.to/3gIagM1

Maybe you need a sliding tray for the projector.

You need a motorized floor projector screen thats alr with your ust projector

If you could buy a center besta unit that is larger put the projector in the drawer and pull it out

What is the smallest picture it will project?

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

This one is at 80": amzn.to/3gkNJVh

I was thinking about getting one and mounting it on the celling

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

That could work! Just gotta have 8 foot ceilings or greater

You should try mounting it on the ceiling. Not saying you’ll have better luck, but most likely you will. The image will be down toward the cabinet.

What about wedging the back to angle it a bit?

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

Did that, it turns the image into a trapezoid

@jeremykirkwood699

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin yeah. That keystone effect is difficult.

I see you're taking a lot of flak for your video, but I agree with you. You have actually proven to me that my issue with my Bomaker Polaris isn't the projector itself, but rather the angle at which the image is thrown making contact with my screen, causing the wavy, uneven and out of focus edge/s. Now that I know this, I will sell my Bomaker and get a regular throw 4k projector since it will have a direct cast to the screen instead of a sharp angle. There is a good amount of info available that can help you determine UST projector placement versus image cast/screen placement but just like you, I think it should be a lot easier to setup and dial in. I've owned several projectors and none of them have ever given me issues like the UST. Nope, no more UST for me, I learned the hard way. Also, slight waves in your screen will not show up anywhere near as bad with a normal direct throw projector. Thank you for the video.

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that! Yeah, it just really seems like you need a far more perfect and finicky setup to make UST work, for very little benefit. I've been very happy with my regular projector, and I feel like it provides just as high an image quality for half the price. I think the flak comes from the UST fan club, which I don't understand why they're coming here to watch at all. It's like they have a suspicion of flaw about their own setup, but don't want to hear it/admit it.

@shannonjennings1454

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin 😁 Sounds about right. I'm just surprised that more people haven't pointed out that the cast angle of the UST will show uneven surfaces in the displayed image versus the forgiveness of a regular throw onto that same surface. I have a very nice 135" motorized screen from Da-Lite and now I know that a normal throw 4k projector is the right choice for me. If I ever change my setup, then at least now I know that a tensioned fixed screen is the only way to go with the UST's. If I ever decide to remove my motorized screen and my TV behind it, then I would go for the Formovie UST and a 120-150" fixed screen, alr preferably.

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

@@shannonjennings1454 yeah exactly, ALR seems to be the thing to do for UST's need for the flattest surface in the world, only it costs almost as much as a decent regular projector. But I mean hey, who knows. Maybe it really is as good as they say. I wish you could go see an in person side by side comparison to see what all the hubbub is about.

@shannonjennings1454

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin yeah,that's very true and a great idea. Why not have a setup at Best Buy? From what I've seen, there are no better alr screens than Black Diamond. They are extremely impressive in full light but there's a huge price to pay for them so most people can't justify the expense and stick with TV's.

Can you ceiling mount it

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great question, didn't even consider it. Based on my brief search, it seems that you can.

A little research goes a long way.

Build a static screen it's easy. As for picture it's easy to allign properly. If not cut a section out the cabinet and lower it.by 10" easy peasy. Moaning about something so simple to fix with a little effort. There is a guy called crow1176 who does a decent screen paint that's cheap. He also has a UST optima p2 4k so he can give you some great advise

On the plus side, your fish have never looked healthier! They've really grown. More seriously, the room is looking sharp!

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno if I'm being gaslit, but I feel like as time goes on Roku adds more variety of fish into this screensaver lol

Professionaly prop up the front of the Projector a bit and it will drop the image therefore getting more hight clearance for a larger picture... Also just buy a Projector sheet and hang it. You will get a bigger picture because it's directly on the wall and further from the Projector. AND, you won't have all the wrinkles & waves from your pull down screen. Plus it's cheaper than your pull down option. You're welcome. Gotta have big 🧠s

Will you end up selling the ust projector to get a big TV. Sometimes, i feel TV make everything simpler simple. I hear you. GET A TV !!! Get a TV. Get a 75". I don't know to thank the inventor of projector or hate them, having a TV make more sense. At least, TV got far better picture quality. As you said, you are getting a normal long throw projector, maybe it is a better option for you. But can i know why you don't want to get a TV for this basement/room ?

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

I hear you. It was always about screen size for me. I now have a BenQ at 120", it's awesome.

building a custom media cabinet for a couple of hundred dollars with fix this.

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

I considered this, but my conclusion after mocking it up was that even with custom furniture, my ceiling was too low to make it work for the size screen I wanted.

You bought the wrong screen. You need the one that keeps it tight. Traditional screens don’t work. But the right one are more money, a lot more

Get a cheap bracket and ceiling mount it. That should solve your furniture issues

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

Considered it, but wound up returning it and just got a regular projector instead. After seeing the picture quality of both, I'm not sure there's any inherent advantage for short throw projectors, unless you don't have to fuss with a ceiling mount.

@Arvidje

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin or unless u dont bother with buying lamps..

Can any of the Ultra Short Throws projectors put out a 4:3 aspect Ratio as an option ?

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, don't know. I've watched a lot of older 4:3 stuff on my regular 16:9 projector without much bother, you just have a lot of empty space.

You have not even started yet, so much more you will find out in time. I've explained things in more detail here if you care to look. kzread.info/dash/bejne/anp5tZWMgNqek6w.html regards, Michael.

I love that inexperienced people are buying these and returning them right away therefore letting us experience people get great projectors at an open box discounted price! Keep it up newbies 😎❤️‍🔥

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

Not sure what that even means, as if "experienced" people (ie, happen to have the proper dimensions of room) are just collecting these en masse to flex on non-short throw users.

Yep welcome to the AV industry, you always have to dig for facts and read the fine print. I'm sure they tell just plug it in and dont tell you that USTs I think need a specific screen and there are specific distrances for the thhrow. Agreed I wouldn't want my 2k UST 'ON THE FLOOR''. Just get a normail projector.

@Arvidje

Жыл бұрын

if u need lamps i can get it for cheap...

If you filled your screen with 88”, there is no way you are projecting 120” picture on it. Agreed you picked a screen. Besides if you had bigger screen you still won’t be to project it cause you need to be lower and out. Yeah, bad choice in furniture. Either you should return the screen and furniture or return the projector. Btw, it is made by Xiaomi.

The pic is wonky from projector anyhow, I’d never buy a short throw projector that costs so much anyhow. I honestly get better results with my £200 nebula projector.

just move the furniture you got slightly more away from the wall. hahah i dont see the problem haha. the poor image screen is on you , you need the alr screen or maybe the motorised floor projecting alr screen (its alot of money though but worth it)

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

"Just have low standards hahah, furniture in the middle of the room to accommodate a projector is totally worth it hahah"

@wezmartins5773

Жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin hahaha true but it s only to move it a tad more and it will be perfect haha

You obviously did not do your research for any of this stuff. Nor did you read the manual for any of it either! !

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

Ｏｂｖｉｏｕｓｌｙ！！！

For that price it should have vertical len shift

@Arvidje

Жыл бұрын

does these things have a lens?

You should read all info before you buy it and also looks you have no idea how to use projectors. I have same and really good abd easy setup👌

Random thoughts: a. 14" is a pretty good size b. occupy the wall! c. right projector wrong house / ceiling e. happy to know you're alive and well (except bugged by that artefact)! (though your argument on why you posted nothing lately is as valid as any argument can get) Take care.

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

Back in my day we had black and white 14" screens and that was a luxury! You kids and your cellular phones! Where'd 'd' go?

80 inch wall mounted tv is simple

@Bootstrappin

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! Wound up going with a conventional projector and 120" diagonal screen, very happy with the outcome.

the problems are not with the projector.....

Someone didn't do enough research....

Wrong type of screen. You need a screen designed for ust projectors. Though it should work on the wall might be cause its White.

All these problems you have is on you for not knowing how to use a short throw laser projector... Because of the short distance and angle you HAVE to use a special screen that is totally flat and perfect. It is wise to do research on what you are bying before you buy.

This was not meant for you.

Mount it on the ceiling and flip the output in the setup. The unit shows in inches what it needs to produce a screen size to your liking. So It's kinda like buying a car with 17 inch wheels and bitching cause you can't put 18 inch wheels on it... Should have done your homework before you shilled out the big bucks.

You can get an 85" OLED TV for the price of ALR screen, let's not even talk about the price of projects. It's really nonsense.

Move that goofy ass furniture its over kill ... you move those sides out the way you might be good

My brother in Christ this entire video is a you problem, you just didn’t do research, most of this is just basic information literally almost every single reviewer gives 😂

You got a defective unit.

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

What makes you say that?

@gmdesignservices

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bootstrappin Picture should not be wavy right out of the box. Check Amazon reviews and others. Send the unit back.

@Bootstrappin

3 жыл бұрын

@@gmdesignservices gotcha, thank you. I wound up going for a regular projector in my next video anyhow

Lol

Sorry but it was your fault for not doing your research before purchasing something expensive.

@Bootstrappin

Жыл бұрын

Ah, the classic 'do your research' line. Of course I did my research, and the reason I uploaded this was to share information that I did not encounter. Information such as: 1) You need tall ceilings, 8 feet or greater 2) If you don't, this thing will be on the floor (some may be OK with this compromise, but I'm not) 3) If you want 120" projection size, then despite the 'short throw' claim, it'll have to be 3-4 feet away from the wall - making a good layout/proper Feng Shui futile