Did you ever hear the tragedy of Price Gougeis the Greedy? I thought not… it’s not a story Gaben would tell you, it’s a sith legend. Price Gougeis was a business man, so covetous and so miserly, he could sell anyone anything. The only thing he feared was losing his money, which eventually, of course, he did. He raised the prices too much, then his customers stopped buying his games. Ironic, he could sell anything, but not at any price.

@LegendofTotalWar

11 ай бұрын

this is my favourite comment

@The_Flamekeepers

11 ай бұрын

ROFL

@KnowzsPenge

11 ай бұрын

Like or not, not reality.

@Minifutzi_o.O

11 ай бұрын

I love these tragedy stories, I hope they're still in 1000 years popular.

@gendy4369

11 ай бұрын

love it but dont wanna break 420 likes

That might be the hardest disaster battle Legend has to face

@KanKazable

11 ай бұрын

Ahhh, forgetting WH3 launch? :-)

@adriankoch964

11 ай бұрын

@@KanKazable CA was definitely cheesing him with the review.

@esaesaeesaesa

11 ай бұрын

Seems unwinnable tbh

@TheUnluckySaurus

11 ай бұрын

HAHAHAHAAHHA this comment is pure gold

@sjdjjsjsjs3991

11 ай бұрын

Regional prices in australia are insane

Great point about the pricing bell curve. To add to this. The CA perspective is likely that even if they lose 50% of their sales on this DLC, they will still make more money with the 2.5x price increase than if they had kept it at $10. 100 sales at $10 is $1000, 50 sales at $25 is $1250

@onappap

11 ай бұрын

Great point from a money stand point, however how it comes across is that they don’t care if their fans like or get to experience there content, they are just locking it off from so many people just for the sake of siphoning more money which makes their fans feel bad about it. Even the people with the money can’t be satisfied from the dozens of bugs and half finished content in these recents dlcs, love your content btw

@k.v.7681

11 ай бұрын

@@onappap Well as said in the preface of the video, what we see is the sales department effect. You can be sure those in customer satisfaction are grumbling, maybe even more than most players. Companies like this are a maze of group and personal interests. What companies as a whole do is try to find that sweetspot between reputation for further sales, and cash-flow in current ones. You could see them slightly backtrack in a couple years to reaquire some good will from the player base, at which point the power will be in the customer service department, and then go back in again with a money focus a bit later, giving the reins again to sales. It's always shifting back and forth to a slight degree.

@Michael-bn1oi

11 ай бұрын

They have truly learned the GW pricing model.

@Pers0n97

11 ай бұрын

Something everyone seem to have missed too is why CA hard stopped making race DLC after the Vampire Coast DLC (outside of the mandatory Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs) when they could (and should) have pumped out 1 or 2 more races DLC for TWW2 (mainly Araby and Amazons, which could have occupied the center of TWW2 map) and why they will never do another race DLC from now on: Making a race DLC cost them a lot, LOT more than making a lord pack, but will at best bring them the same amount of money than said lord pack (if that, a lot of people end up skipping race packs but will take lord packs because they add units to the races they already play). This is the exact same reasoning that is now making them crank up the price of DLC: spend the minimum and price it the maximum.

@bobsagetthelord6621

11 ай бұрын

I doubt that CA doesn’t care at all about number of sales. Even if they jack up prices that only is patchwork. If you have 1000x10 sales, then that goes to a 500x20 sales, that trend is more likely to keep going down in future instalments unless the 20 dollar DLC is more than worth the money. Less saturation mean people are less interested in the product. If you go to a forum and the only post you see are people saying they skipped a DLC then very few would buy it regardless. When the good will runs out then you have to make a better product with a more than fair value to have any chance in making your money back.

The business school term for what you were talking about price levels is “price discrimination”. Like you said, it’s about trying to sell to every customer possible by selling to them at the highest price they’re willing to pay.

@Daiciyomon_4594

11 ай бұрын

With less content like ordered KFC dinner plate with one chicken and one chilli sauce but still charge you dinner plate price, would you accept?

@user-fu2tx9hp4r

11 ай бұрын

​@@Daiciyomon_4594Its called high culinary,high price just for who made this 1 wing.

@t4stingo

11 ай бұрын

Which is why piracy is morally correct.

@majormoolah5056

11 ай бұрын

Very good point, thank you

@Hollow_Theorist

11 ай бұрын

@@t4stingo yeah, yeah, nothing wrong with stealing from rich corporations right? Honestly stupid unless your broke and work yet you can’t experience the videogame any other way.

The price caused a literall total war among the community

@jarus7618

11 ай бұрын

*electric guitar riff from cinematics is heard* Nice comment, sir.

@ricardoceballos5567

11 ай бұрын

@@jarus7618 bro this debate might as well be a total war trailer. It's amazing

@sagittariusa9012

11 ай бұрын

Total War? more like a war against CA. Total War will be all vs all...

@MEGABUMSTENCH

11 ай бұрын

@@ricardoceballos5567 yes very le epic

@jdunnatl

11 ай бұрын

I can't believe how many people are defending the price.

I reckon this will be the first DLC I don’t pick up, it’s just not really worth it at that price with Baldurs Gate just out and Starfield soon

@cls880

11 ай бұрын

Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty too. Seems there are a lot of good releases which respect our wallet more.

@JaySwag77

11 ай бұрын

Dude that's my thought exactly!

@mcbrite

11 ай бұрын

Definitely! There are so many games I have yet to play or finish... Cyberpunk, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Jagged Alliance 3, X4 newest DLC, finish jedi fallen order and play second one, . . . I could NEVER play Warhammer again and still have a maxed gaming "calendar"... Never mind my other hobbies like motorcycles, paragliding and so on...

@arkimus1911

11 ай бұрын

You should really try out a game called Aliens: Dark Descent if you have not tried it. It was one of the biggest surprises I have had so far.

@donkey9113

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't buy starfield on release, this year had too many bad releases on pc

This happened recently with War Thunder. They kept price gauging, and ignoring player feedback to the point they have lost all the good will they had. Fortunately, they realized they are destroying their business, and turned around, put up feedback poll, for people to write whatever, collected everything they could, and put up a road map to gett their game back on track, and so far, for the last 2 months, they are sticking to their plan, with outstanding results from the playerbase and in sales.

@LiveforHM

11 ай бұрын

2 steps forward, one step back approach. They will just wait and drip feed more monetization practices to boil the frog that is the vast majority of their playerbase. Look what happened to Call of Duty and Battlefront.

@guiltyspark4074

11 ай бұрын

Funny thing is free to play players don't like that. If free to play players leave your pay to win players follow eventually. They are just killing the game slowly. I remember thinking about joining back war thunder, then i realised what they changed and decided to stay away. Same happen with some of my friends. I used to recomend that game a lot. Not anymore

@marlongomezacevedo2170

11 ай бұрын

The same won't happen to Total War, CA has been overpricing its DLCs for years now and people simply keep on buying whatever they sell, so they'll just keep doing this and the crying and moaning from Total War players will die in a few weeks, if not days.

@bob101021

11 ай бұрын

Warthunder fan here as well. The review bomb really did help the community

@lilporky8565

11 ай бұрын

Well look at that, a road map that was actually followed. Sounds like cap to me, but I don't play WT so I wouldn't know.

Something weird is going on at CA. In the recent video they put out about the Changeling, they mention preordering the DLC three times. I've never seen that happen in any of CA's previous DLC walkthrough videos. There must be new management at CA or Sega.

@karl5175

11 ай бұрын

you vill consume ze product get excited for next product dont ask questions

@blodstainer

11 ай бұрын

they might want to push their deal with GW to either make a TW with 40k or Age of Sigmar or to include other content into this game. Warhammer 3 still makes money and they don't have much more warhammer fantasy content to create new DLC from.

@xanman2003

11 ай бұрын

@@blodstainer I was thinking about this and, given all they're creating with Kislev and Cathay, I could honestly see them looking into potential new daemons/chaos units. Now they've definitely got realestate to include further specialized marauders and beastmen into the chaos factions but I'd love to see them create further units and even new daemons with GW. With the combination of Old World, AoS, 40K, and Horus Heresy, you'd have such a massive market for new daemons, especially given how old a lot of the sculpts are

@cpsw85

11 ай бұрын

I still haven't bought Chaos Dwarvesnl, and Hashut's Hellbulls are my bloodbowl team!!

@berthold64

11 ай бұрын

​@@karl5175fpbp

22:10 “Get your wife’s boyfriend to get you a switch” I died at this line

Good job on presenting a level-headed position as a pillar of the community.

@Jagrofes

11 ай бұрын

Feels out of place for legend to give such a level headed take. Good character development.

@warlockengineer407

11 ай бұрын

​@@Jagrofeswhen it comes to pricing, Legend has always had level headed takes with his DLC reviews. Giving his honest opinion on value. One of my favorite things about his channel

So glad you and your wife are going to try baldurs gate 3. I've loved larian for awhile now and I'm happy to see their success around this game.

@Erehart

11 ай бұрын

Imagine the cheese and creativity he can pull off

@stewenw4120

11 ай бұрын

@@Erehart Oh i would really like to see that :)

@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou

11 ай бұрын

i cant wait i already beat it with dark urge lol legend might not like turn base combat lol

@mrstalfos7489

11 ай бұрын

@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou Honestly i can see him enjoying a little of that good old barrel-mancing and cheese whole encounters. The things you can pull off in that game are hilarious.

@adamg7984

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad too because maybe then he'll know what actual value in a video game is like.

At least with chaos dwarves, EVERYTHING was new, so it was at least a little reasonable…

@Inventor2

11 ай бұрын

Sure everything was new but the 3 lords have no unique mechanics at all making every campaign feel the same.

@djoctavio1234

11 ай бұрын

​@@Inventor2yeah but your paying for a faction it would make sense that they'd have similar abilities that's the point that's like telling someone all skaven factions are the same because they have food and undercities stupid point

@SilentHotdog28

11 ай бұрын

@@djoctavio1234 At least they made some skaven factions have unique mechanics (Skryre lab and eshin assassins)

@devilsmessanger

11 ай бұрын

nowhere near everything new. every campaign mechanic was reskin of existing mechanics , like caravans and slaves and using "a resource" to rush building . and units too ,only a few are actually new units. it is not bad dlc but it sure was overpriced for amount of work they did (NOT) put into it .

@corn776

11 ай бұрын

@@SilentHotdog28yes, they added that through different DLCs.

You know, listening to this reminded me of TotalBiscuit. He left a huge hole in critical gaming analysis, and I'm glad that you have and are willing to share the same level of critique and sensibility regarding this corner of the industry. Thanks Legend

@GoldSpangledBananaBoy

11 ай бұрын

TB was abrasive, dickish, and unabashedly forward. A shame we don't have someone like that with as much reach anymore. Miss'em.

@alexknight1361

11 ай бұрын

​@@GoldSpangledBananaBoyI think as much as he was that, his abrasiveness was better directed than the gaming community as a whole can manage. He knew enough about the industry to understand when and where things could be changed through advocacy. Sometimes things will upset gamers even if it's not something that a company can't be faulted for. TB was good at acknowledging when that was true and good at calling out when it was bullshit. It made it a lot easier for the community as a whole to direct their anger towards things that could be changed. I think TB deserves a lot of credit for raising the standards for PC ports. Without a figure like that, it feels like the gaming community has a lot of anger but really doesn't have a good way to put that anger to use.

@Raider0075

11 ай бұрын

TB said something and it holds true today: "Please, and I'm not telling you what to do w/ your money, but please. Don't preorder video games." He is gone but his wisdom lives on.

@robertmosley1188

11 ай бұрын

Yes, got those vibes as well. The industry isn't the same without him, but makes me really happy to see those occasional people that still hold his ideology

@kardoxfabricanus7590

11 ай бұрын

R.I.P it felt especially bad when people were celebrating his death and learning that people you called associates and friends were doing It to the point it makes your political awakening of the fact that good politics ≠ good person. A few respectable people actually apologized and explained why it was wrong to even remotely compare him to someone as evil as fucking Margret Thatcher. Honestly I learned to choose proper friend groups from that experience and TotalBiscuit actually made me a better person.

"The Reddit is a lot more reasonable" if that isn't a daming indictment of the Steam discussion forum I don't know what is

@rodrikofharlaw6848

11 ай бұрын

Reddit a wasteland of free thought and you call it reasonable.

@emilemerian3740

11 ай бұрын

@@rodrikofharlaw6848 not reasonable, MORE reasonable THAN steam discussions. This conveys how terrible steam discussions are if you already think reddit is bad

@rodrikofharlaw6848

11 ай бұрын

@@emilemerian3740 Steam is still better. A little more hostile but grow some skin you circle jerkers.

@mathiaspedersen7171

11 ай бұрын

Reddit got to much censorship, where steam leaves it more unfiltered. Hence the more toxicity. But I wouldn't trade that, for what people are truly feeling. I'd rather get the whole truth, no matter how toxic it is.

@rodrikofharlaw6848

11 ай бұрын

@@mathiaspedersen7171 These people fear truth that goes against their narratives and programing.

Such a shame CA doesn’t work with modders and community of historical titles even though there are great projects like DEI and upcoming Age of Bronze campaign which are doing better job than official devs. And it’s not me having nostalgia 'bout "good old days", it’s them missing profit from exclusion of new players and not listening to feedback from current historical player base. CA is a big company nowadays and really has resources to implement cooperation with community and rewards for cool fan projects. Thanks for this explanation, Legend.

@eternallyscreaming169

11 ай бұрын

frrrrrrrr, DEI is the only thing that has made me sink months and months into a single campaign and the modders are so helpful! asked many questions in the past and theyve always been providing links and fixes as well as information on what they plan to do next. wish they could make their own spin off lol

@user-nh4df3ix4x

10 ай бұрын

@@eternallyscreaming169, I’ve even heard that mod developer had to buy multiple copies of the game because of problems with mod implementation or smth though it may be an exaggeration.

The thing I hate the most about CA DLC is that they are broken and OP when they are released, and then just before the next DLC comes out they are "re-balanced" into uselessness. I am just so done with it.

@R_J8

11 ай бұрын

Is this from a singleplayer standpoint? Chaos Dwarfs is the second strongest faction in the game, post nerf.

@lmaolol9357

10 ай бұрын

That sounds like CoD Warzone

I will definitely buy this DLC..... at 50% sale.

@TheBarser

11 ай бұрын

Thats the spirit

@erikvannik5208

11 ай бұрын

In my opinion wait until 75%

@Lukashoffmann94

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, even at 50% it will barely reach the price, that it should and would have been with the typical discounts.

@StroggKingu

11 ай бұрын

​@@erikvannik5208So far none od the DLC, even Tw wh1 were lower than 50%

@sheepfly

11 ай бұрын

Sail the high seas. Much better

I agree with you 100% on the "good will" point in the video. It seems to be a trend these days that bigger companies every now and then just decide to cash out on the good will that they have gained and it's actually really annoying. Sure it's good for the profits short term, sometimes even long term. But Baldurs Gate is a great example of what can happen when a company respects customers. Me and six of my friends bought the game simply because we all heard so many good things about it. None of us would have bought it, no matter how much marketing was behind it, but when people whos opinions we value say good things about something, we believe them. I will not be buying any more Total War games or DLC on day one, only when they are on sale and the base game is in a much better state. I've bought every single DLC and Total War game for the past 8 years on day 1. I know I'm just one person, but I have friends who've said the same and I haven't heard anyone say one good thing about CA or Total War games for years and I work in the industry. Their good will is running on fumes at this point, I'm waiting to see what their response is once that well is dry.

@-pancakes7205

11 ай бұрын

I'm most likely going to buy BG3 again on PS5

@prinstyrio0

11 ай бұрын

Exactly why so many publishers want Larian right now, their good will, to use it to cash in on short term profit. Look at Blizzard as another example that's been cashing in on their good will and nostagia for over a decade now, and it still works despite it's been going over the edge multiple times and losing tons of fans for exploiting their willingness to consume their products they love. It's really sad that when greed takes over, all they see is consumers willing to spend more money than usual based on trust and attachment to a company for previous deeds or any form of attachment needs, rather than feeling like they should continue working on that trust and not take advantage of it.

@clone3_7

11 ай бұрын

@@prinstyrio0 I do not think at all, that with Blizzard it is working. They simply switched from a large player base to a small pool filled with whales. I think many of the WoW players are also just a bit addicted at this point, some of them seriously cannot put down the game, even though Blizz is for sure trying everything to do the opposite. Hearthstone is the only Blizzard game, that I would say has good quality besides WoW: Classic (which is pretty much the past work of Blizz, not a new product, although I heard the dragon expansion is good).

@Deid

11 ай бұрын

A thing you have to understand is that the gaming industry is simply too big at this point. It does not matter if some of the few who actually pay attention start talking about how they're not buying from x and how they're absolutely doomed. Diablo 4 came out and made a fucking load of money in sales despite blizzard, for months and months and even years at this point failing as a company, relentlessly pissing people off and acting purely and utterly on a profit-over-everything mindset. Why? Because there's a gigantic consumer base of people who 1. do not value their own money because they have too much 2. simply do not give a shit and would buy a game from literallyhitler®if it means they can consoom something for a few hours and move on to the next thing 3. people outside of the, all things considered, small bubble of the internet that is people actually deep enough into the hobby to pay attention in the first place and 4. a new generation of kids who dont know or care about anything and simply buy whatever looks cool to them You can argue that total war is a more niche thing and can lose customers more easily until it's really in trouble, but there's a lot of people who famously do not have object permanence and WILL forget about any and all drama the moment it leaves their focus unless reminded of it. Unless they have such a colossal series of fuck ups in a relative short amount of time it won't matter.

@charlesc.9012

11 ай бұрын

It is a positive feedback loop, or a slippery slope. Once a company establishes that they can disrespect their customers, they will try to take as much ground as possible. They will reach a point where they must apologise and change, or go out of business with no further damage caused. At least that can happen, the IR-A-S, not so much

It really is sad to think where CA was 20 years ago and where they ended up now. They've fumbled the bag so hard.

Great Video but slight disagreement on one point: If everyone in both armies is 10% slower it advantages the ranged units because they have more time to shoot. Every change even if equally applied will help specific unit types.

@emanuelalfred1565

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, I disagree with this point too. Also, heavily armored units will struggle if it’s rainy due to their weight and muddy areas which gives lighter troops an advantage. The mud will also effect chariots. So army build variety will be important. Regional recruitment is going to play a heavy role too. Egyptians will do fine in the desert but the Hittites will struggle being that their troops are heavily armored.

@RobBCactive

10 ай бұрын

Yep, also delays concentrating spread out forces can be significant. Still last LoTW videos I watched he just showed cheesy cavalry tactics and couldn't be bothered to use pre-Marian reform Roman units calling them garbage despite the fact that they could be used effectively, if coordinated by maneuvering in battle.

After all your exceptionally well argued points, that "Shadows of (short)Change" comment got a genuine laugh out of me. Great vid.

@Garret007

11 ай бұрын

couldnt agree more

Legend telling me to get my wife's boyfriend to buy me a switch is all I have ever needed in life

@julioramos1544

11 ай бұрын

Do your wifes bf one better and get the dlc for free, google dlc unlocker. Fuck CA

The thing about the total war series is that there is no real competitor for CA to be afraid of. CA knows that people will pay more because they need their fix of the genre.

@nicwolf1370

11 ай бұрын

Eh I just play HOI4 these days. They might not be competing for this niche but they're definitely competing for player interest

@robertsteiner4696

11 ай бұрын

Not true. People will just play the old games that are constantly on sale, they are self cannabilizing themselves into the dirt. It's working now, but how about 10 years from now when no one can afford video games or DLC because of going through a constant decline in the USD having a recession? It will destroy them eventually.

@marcgw496

11 ай бұрын

@@robertsteiner4696 if the recession gets that bad I think video games are the least of our concerns

@Mario-kf3ej

10 ай бұрын

@@nicwolf1370 Paradox is as greedy as CA ...yeah I play Stellaris and CK3 , those DLCs prices can really be crazy. And not sure they even add more than those WH3 ones ...

I grew up on Medieval 2 and I loved the game to death, when I got older and was able to get back into the newer entries of the series, getting Shogun 2 and then working backwards to Empire and Napoleon. All games that I had a lot of fun with (Though Empire was painfully jank more often than not), then I saw Rome 2 happen and how people received it, and I stepped back. I was watching the series for a while, but it seemed to be going down a path away from the older games that between quality issues changes in the games fundamentally that left me alienated. I got Warhammer when it came out but I realized that the fantasy total war games just weren't going to be something I could enjoy, so I went back to just idly watching Total War as it went on. It's been sad watching it progress and get worse both content wise and money farming wise. Nowadays I just hope someone can make a game similar enough that CA feels like they have real direct competition, and that either they'll get their act together or be superseded by someone else. Or perhaps the even more unrealistic option that people avoid their products so much they're forced to change how they operate.

@HrHaakon

11 ай бұрын

I just autoresolve in Empire, and have alot of fun that way... XD

@williamchristy9463

11 ай бұрын

That's sad. The warhammer games are probably the best Total wars since Medieval 2, just in terms of faction variety.

@Zayjay14

11 ай бұрын

@@williamchristy9463 I couldn't really enjoy the way the gameplay in Warhammer felt, it's hard to put into words exactly, at least in a concise manner without going back and playing it again but it just didn't feel good to me. I'm one of the old TW fans that just can't follow the series into its new form ig. That and though the base game has a decent amount of factions and units, I can't say I was much a fan of the DLC cycle even when it was more substantial for less than what they're trying to pull now

It's too expensive for a Third Worlder like me :,(

@itnotmeitu3896

11 ай бұрын

Skill issue

@marekvesely3725

11 ай бұрын

@@itnotmeitu3896 lol

@mcpepp3603

11 ай бұрын

Just sell a kidney

@maximusd26

11 ай бұрын

@kristofmolnar7106 they don't usually ask when buying dw

@talalbosunia4088

11 ай бұрын

How about I just sell myself to slavery to some white men in Europe? Seems like a good solution to me.

I live in the U.K. and don’t have a lot of disposable cash because I’m poor. I live in Cardiff with my partner and everything is going up in price and everything is extortionate (my flat is about £900 a month and was the ONLY ONE which didn’t have ungodly amounts of mould, cracks or water marks and bulges in it which landlords and estates agents say ‘it’s not black mould so it’s not a health risk it’s fine’ and these were ONLY £5 less a month) and I’ve just had to leave my minimum wage job to luckily find another with even a few more hours and this is getting common. (I have a degree and plenty of qualifications it’s just there is nothing available work wise and I’ve worked retail, warehouse work, district council contract management, software companies etc.) I know another store in the company I’m with lost 6 people last week because money but the problem is in the U.K. at least everything is going up in price and people just allow it. I was somewhat defending the price yesterday as I view it from the average dev position who I know is underpaid and over worked but sleeping on it I realised that allowing this to happen is literally what’s causing all the issues in the U.K. that impacts those I was looking to defend and allowing people to starve. It’s unacceptable and we need to do something but obviously the ones who can choose a DLC over a meal can’t comprehend it. I hope the outrage caused by this might actually make an impact as even sotek is speaking out about it who is normally positive like myself. (Sorry this is a rambling mess I’m very tired and about to go to work, I hope you get my point the situation is just tiring and upsetting, you can barely afford minimal leisure time nowadays unless you’re working 50+ hours or earning £30k+) People must not be ashamed about being poor, we’re poor because stuff like this happens and we’re too scared to admit we’re struggling. We’re poor because companies exploit us NOT because you’re lazy or haven’t worked hard and your voice needs to be heard and don’t let those who tell your otherwise belittle or demean you the world was built on the backs of us and it’s about time we realised that. Again sorry about the rambling mess I hope this and the million edits I made make sense.

@Pattrickro

11 ай бұрын

Keep grinding brother, WR11 here.

@Druchii

11 ай бұрын

@@Pattrickro was born and raised in Worcestershire (Worcester myself) only moved to Cardiff within the last year! Same to you man

@Crouchy232323

11 ай бұрын

Join the communists viva le revolution bro

@simpbeforeusleep

11 ай бұрын

@@charlesman8722yeah if you’re poor the last thing you need to complain about is the dlc price of a video game when you can’t afford a place that isn’t trash when you’re supposedly splitting it with a, partner? I guess wife or w/e

@TheCabarro

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, well, this whole idea of poor people are lazy is probably at the top of the idiocy by idiotic excuses for human beings, and I really pity whoever thinks saying this makes any kind of sense. That said, I still think that this rage about the price is a bit premature, since we still haven't seen everything that it's going to offer.

I wish every community had a legend of total war. In the current state of the world we could all use a little more empathy. Video games are supposed to be fun, these communities are built around sharing fun and/or meaningful experiences with one another. Be kind to one another even when angry at a given situation.

I always love when legend takes on the broader issue in this very niche community I found myself in over the past five years. I bought Medieval two total war shogun two total war and empire, total war off of a sale one year, and then got into Warhammer two as Warhammer three was coming out, and it’s been nothing but tumultuous ever since. And I appreciate that legend is here contextualizing it.

For me, I think the issue is the fact that fact we’re getting the same amount of stuff for a lord pack for WH2, but split across 3 factions. Edit: Legend, you’re an amazing human being for explaining this stuff. Hopefully CA will listen to you.

@Tzilandi

11 ай бұрын

It's the same amount of units per faction as The Queen and the Crone gave the High Elves (Alarielle, , Handmaiden Hero, Sisters of Avelorn, Shadow Warriors) and Dark Elves (Hellebron, Sorceress Lord, Sisters of Slaughter, Doomfire Warlocks, Kharybdiss). The Prophet and the Warlock added 13 new LLs, Lords and units, the same amount of units total, with the Lizardmen taking the majority. The price is still steep, I agree, but it's not any different from the WH2 Lord Packs.

@Ton0_oTon

11 ай бұрын

@@Tzilandino it’s not, each faction gets 4 new units with one of them receiving a LH instead of a generic lord or hero. And this is before we find out if Tzaangors or any of the others have more variants

@Ton0_oTon

11 ай бұрын

@@Tzilandialthough yes the prophet and the warlock is a strange anomaly

@alfasolmega4458

11 ай бұрын

​@@Ton0_oTonA new tw player here, is The Prophet and The Warlock worth it? Only have the third game

@fish5645

11 ай бұрын

@@alfasolmega4458 If you like Skaven (or want to play them) the DLC lets you play as Ikit Claw, one of the best Skaven lords by a mile whose army specializes in weapon teams and artillery with unique ways to improve them. The other half is a Skink lizardmen lord which is also quite good but I think Ikit is the main selling point, you can easily find videos on Legend's channel of him using Ikit to see if it is something you want.

As much as people like to focus in the Dollars and Euro pricing, they are so many other regional prices that got it waaay worse. In Argentina, this DLC already is HALF the price of the base game, and is more expensive than Chaos Dwarfs for some reason. In Reddit, I've seen so many other countries like Turkey and countries in Eastern Europe that got the same treatment.

@julioramos1544

11 ай бұрын

Hi, google dlc unlocker and get it free.

@luxie8097

11 ай бұрын

The only thing worse than the regional pricing is the absolute geniuses in first world countries saying that the regional pricing is fine because "well thats only x$ USD, thats really cheap!". not understanding that different countries have completely different economies, average wages, costs of living etc.

@KrolPawi

11 ай бұрын

​@@luxie8097 thats a more complex problem than you think. If the pricing isnt Universal there are pepole who Will buy it in Argentine or turkey steam shop Just by using vpn.

@aquelehiru3179

11 ай бұрын

I Brazil the price is absurd, Just tô compare, minimal wage here os 1091reais and only the base game is 250Reais (1Dolar= 4,90reais)

@bwcmakro

11 ай бұрын

​@@KrolPawiSteam has countermeasures against that.

I love how you leave the messy tangent at the end of the video for us loyal subscribers

Thank you so much for explaining something that I've believed for a long time now. I've clocked >2000 hrs on WH2 yet on WH3 it's

@adriankoch964

11 ай бұрын

Same, no WH3 DLC till my main launch gripes with WH3 are fixed, and they still aren't. Happy to watch Legend from time to time & follow the game, but nah man, there's more games being made every year. Hooded Horse publisher makes a lot of titles to scratch that strategy itch.

@fydennis

11 ай бұрын

Same. I bought full DLC for WH2, but not a single one for WH3. Surely CA is not "immoral" to increas price, but I have my own justice and I simply vote by not buying these DLC and not play WH3. Plus, there is a new FromSoftware game on the horizon this month with a honest price. People like me don't complain about the greed, they simply walk away.

@derigel7662

11 ай бұрын

Wild exact same games here i went back to lol

@VelocitysMovies

11 ай бұрын

i just dont get it man. i got into wh2 like 6 months before wh3, ive been playing wh3 for hundreds of hours and love it! what is the problem? i just havent seen any yet

@RicardoSanchez-es5wl

11 ай бұрын

As much as I hate to say it warhammer 3 is so damn good now especially the chaos DLC. I hate rewarding a sucky company and I NEVER preorder but the DLCs have been quite good.

Legend, I feel like there's also the issue of apathy cost. Which is basically that the longer it stays at that higher price, the less people are going to care enough to buy it when it eventually does go on sale. Most individual players are only really interested in one Lord or faction in a given pack. If they are priced out for 6 months to a year, then that's plenty of time for that interest to dull and fade and be replaced with apathy. Cause people aren't gonna just sit still and wait for a sale, they're going to play other games, and the games that they're playing are the ones that they'll buy content for, not games they haven't touched in a year cause it's become too expensive. They might revisit it much later if things are on sale for like 80% but not in the near term.

@tegridyfarms6197

11 ай бұрын

Yes for me the only reason would be to get the tzentch patch to make it hopefuly fun...

@Bayonet1809

11 ай бұрын

My grandfather would always say, "If you wait long enough you won't want it anymore", which is very apt here. When the Chaos Dwarfs DLC came out I was really busy with life, so couldn't play it and thus didn't buy it. It has since gone on sale, but I no longer feel excited to play it, so have still not bought it, despite having the time to play it. Now I have moved onto other games. I suspect that I will also skip this new DLC for the foreseeable too, as even with a 50% sale it will not interest me in playing Warhammer 3 again with all of the bugs and issues the game still has.

@andreir1183

11 ай бұрын

6months down the line more review of the DLC have come about. If they are negative and the game is still fill with bugs then the incentive to come back to this game and invest into it is even less. also now people are excited to invest into this since its brand new and exciting, so if they value this dlc at 15$ that excitement might make them want to overpay a bit to maybe 20$. but in 6months when this is no longer new, you might have a problem even in convincing them to pay that 15$ and will need to lower it down to 10$ to buy it. so you don't necessarily make money by this strategy.

@Booklat1

11 ай бұрын

real talk, I was considering buying all 3 total war warhammer games this christmas I might just not, considering how everyone that plays the game seems to agree the latest dlcs have been overpriced

@arcticdream4905

11 ай бұрын

Thats what im doing. At this point im waiting for the whole package including DLC to be around 40 bucks. If I have to wait 3 years for a G2A key fine, but im definitely not paying these insane prices. Would rather play another game/support less egregious devs. This monetization is becoming intense and it wouldnt surprise me if this new era is only in its infancy. Could easily see them start selling unit skins or even individual RoR's for 99 cents.

The problem for me is also exchange, 25 USD might not seem much, but in my country, that is about 100, which utterly ridiculous.

@tafadzwashepherd4580

11 ай бұрын

Aee you a fellow malaysian resident lol

@MandoMTL

11 ай бұрын

Regional pricing should be addressed.

@HansWurst1569

11 ай бұрын

25 for a dlc is quite a lot. nowadays AA studios make complete games for that price.

@kirilld6206

11 ай бұрын

even british are whining while a game cost like 5 subway tickets lol 🤣

@lucasbogea

11 ай бұрын

Same, DLC's costing R$100 + are way too expensive.

Are there other good alternatives to CA total war series if you're looking for games with decent real time battles? (obviously paradox is great for strategy but not really for those into actual battles)

@TheOrangeCat2

11 ай бұрын

Manor Lords is coming out soon, I guess? Mount and Blade? Yeah, it's a niche market.

We will always come back to your channel that's for sure legend

Watching CA pissing away their goodwill is like watching an drug-addicted family member piss away their life. You just want to shake them and say "why the hell are you making these terrible choices??" But you know it just won't make any difference.... They need to really get on top of the bugs among the other issues. Thanks Legend for this video tho!

@vikingcathq

11 ай бұрын

I'd use another analogy. CA is the dealer and the customers are the junkies who keep throwing them money against their better judgement. Yeah they'll lose some of them but they've tapped into a core of addicts who will keep giving them money no matter what so they'll ride this to the end. By the time Total War Warhammer runs out of steam (which could be a long time coming) it'll be someone else's problem, they'll have made enough. The company is made of individuals after all not people who stay there forever.

@nateTrh

11 ай бұрын

Warhammer pretty much ruined the franchise. You have these donks willing to buy every dlc and CA knows they don't have to improve their engine. Either they have a brand new engine that's amazing in the pipeline or they know they're at the end of the line and are milking as much money as they can before the Total War name is killed off.

@arcticdream4905

11 ай бұрын

Whats funny is they dont see the short term gain, long term loss effect that will clearly take place here. Surely they may come out in the green in the end, but their respect and integrity have been tanking ever since Rome 2. They more than likely dont care anymore.

@hazanko5875

11 ай бұрын

The real "Fatshark Game Enjoyer" experience as well

@My13101994

11 ай бұрын

especially after warhammer 3 is just much weaker as a game then 2. The fix they promised for chaos and the 4 chaos factions also require a DLC even though they are the main part of a full price game

I think this price would be a lot more acceptable to me if it meant they were going to put more attention in to maintaining the game, but that doesn't seem to be the case. It looks like every time there is a DLC or an update that, while there will be bug fixes, there will be new bugs and a whole host of issues that we will just have to deal with until the next major DLC/update. It was the same with Warhammer 2 but at least they weren't charging this much.

@hobowithashotgun48

11 ай бұрын

100% agreed. I am only interested in the Cathay and Kislev lords from this pack, and even still I would be willing to pay this price if I saw that CA was actually working on fixing the bugs in the game rather than just adding new ones every time they add new content.

@aprinnyonbreak1290

11 ай бұрын

Agree. If this was DLC for Warhammer 2, I'd seriously consider it Warhammer 3 still doesn't run as well as 2, it's still a mess, so no.

@Pedro-zu3uq

11 ай бұрын

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 This for me is the worst of all, one year later and Warhammer 2 still runs better.

@Grivehn

11 ай бұрын

Its the worst for pvp players. Theyre already dont get basically anything, might not even buy the DLC - or forced to, to get access to the current, most busted units... either way, they WILL have to contend with the op/bugged units of XY patch for 4-6 months. Stuff like Grail Knights last patch completely ruined the meta, as did strong lords in the past like Grom or Taurox.

@Jrock420blam

11 ай бұрын

@@Pedro-zu3uq Is WH3 not running well? Last i played I could burn out about 15 turns before I could do 5 turns in WH2 cause it takes a week to run through turns in the old game cause it runs poorly

The job they've done at completely fumbling this trilogy is truly impressive

@LordVader1094

11 ай бұрын

Seriously. It's crazy how they went from WH2 to this disaster of a finale to the trilogy.

@fishlasers2925

11 ай бұрын

@@LordVader1094the most pronounced sentiment I associate with the TWW series now is overwhelming disappointment. CA stood at the precipice of immortal greatness, and we were ready to carry them on our backs. And as they marched from TWW2 to TWW3, they sold their souls to some golden capitalist calf and their games began to fester and rot from the inside out.

@jameswoolnough2659

11 ай бұрын

I think it’s crazy to say they fumbled the warhammer trilogy. Just ignoring everything other than the negatives

@tomayto70

11 ай бұрын

​@@fishlasers2925 TWWH has been around for a ridiculously long time, there's plenty of opportunity for CA to recover

@matthewy2j

11 ай бұрын

WH1 was reasonable / middling at worst but not superb, though they went into 3 with arguable one of the biggest W's being WH2 and it's DLC content + pricing only to immediately shit the bed regarding DLC policy again.

We need more balanced, logical and measured discussions like this in this dialogue! Fantastic video!

My major annoyance is that the DLC covers 3 different races. I only play a couple of the races, and it helped on DLC because I could ignore the DLC that didn't cover the races I liked. They were already doing 2. From their perspective they are "increasing" the number of DLCs I would buy on top of making my pay more for each. From mine, they are reducing the percentage of the DLC I even want while increasing the price. Which Is why I wont be buying.

@microwaveenthusiast7410

11 ай бұрын

@@charlesman8722sometimes less is more

@ErikNiit

11 ай бұрын

@@charlesman8722 They could sell them separately at a lower price instead of selling a bundle of 3 that many only want 1 of.

@albertotejedorgauna

11 ай бұрын

They've not beefed it up more, they give you only about 4 units per race, which may be overpowered but aren`t enough. it just doesn't seem interesting to me, and it isn't worth 35 dollars

@Freekymoho

11 ай бұрын

@@charlesman8722 beefed up but with a commensurate price increase

@shmekelfreckles8157

11 ай бұрын

@@albertotejedorgauna I though it was 25

For me, when I bought the Chaos Dwarves, whilst the price for that was steeper than what DLCs were before I felt it was ultimately worth it because I was having fun with a brand new race with all new units and mechanics and also at that time there was no other game out there that was keeping me occupied. The difference here is that its a lord pack for existing races, I will have to see what changes these races are going to receive, how their unique mechanics will play (and these arent necessarily fun mechanics, Nakai and Markus proved that for WH2) and how much impact the new units are. But the other main difference is now I do have other games to keep me busy. I am having a blast with Baldur's Gate 3 and very soon Starfield will come out. Its far easier a decision this time round for me to skip this lord pack until later when there is a sale or something.

@Masquerade1200

11 ай бұрын

I'm the exact same. I love the chorfs and for a whole new roster it felt worth it. Now with Baldurs gate and starfield I'll probably just skip on warhammer 3 for a while

@confusedravioli2556

11 ай бұрын

@@Masquerade1200 same thing for me but instead its gonna be nonstop payday 3

@andregon4366

11 ай бұрын

You supported their decision, this is the consequences. I'm still waiting for a 50% off.

@qwertzu1195

11 ай бұрын

Yep same

Legend, great video and really well said. I havent bought any CA stuff in over 2 years. Partly I don't have a lot of time, but also the mod communities are great. There are so many great mods which overhaul the game, e.g divide et impera, RTR imperium surrectum amongst others. I don't know the stats on mod Downloads, but would be great to see the profile of the modding communities raised ( appreciate this wouldbe a tough sell to CA, as it would reduce their profits. It's sad so many total war youtubers have disappeared from a few years ago. I love the franchise, and got into it from Time Commanders on the BBC in the UK, not long after RTW1 was released.

@alpharius1497

11 ай бұрын

@@hohenzollern6025 WH3 recently got Nagash just so you know, if you already have everything for it I'd highly recommend, the modteam put a hell of a lot of work into it with a ton of new and improved mechanics, can't praise em enough

good to listen to a balance viewpoint on this, i really appreciate you looking out for the community

You know what.. I'm actually super impressed with the reason and logic you applied here. I know you've had an extremely rough relationship with CA and it can be very stress inducing - but you've actually explained this in a really calm and smart way. Doesn't seem to be much bias or rage at all, just hitting the key points and peeling back the curtain. Personally, I'm not so bummed out by the price - I'm more upset at the lack of Hag Lore, lack of Generic Lord for Kislev, Generic Hero for Cathay, and lack of both for Tzeentch. Beyond that, I'm certain I'll still get my moneys worth from playtime. I would've just been nice if they'd matched the content per faction that previous DLC had hit.

@PenguinWithInternetAccess

11 ай бұрын

Honestly from my pov all of this gets covered by mods anyways (bless them they make incredible work)

@obi-wan3916

11 ай бұрын

They need to start selling lords individually because unlike a faction pack a lord pack will often include factions you aren't interested in playing. From this perspective lord packs are even worse value unless you are someone who plays every faction in the game.

@PenguinWithInternetAccess

11 ай бұрын

@@obi-wan3916 It's probably on purpose sadly

@Klongu_Da_Bongu

11 ай бұрын

@@obi-wan3916 Well to be fair they did alright so far. I didn't want Eltharion when I got Grom, but Eltharion actually made me play the high elves for the first time. Really cool guy.

@ZergleJerk

11 ай бұрын

This one does seem weird. It looks like a lot of cool stuff will be added but it seems like they had all the stuff being released just "laying around" so they took a shotgun approach which is not something they do very often. At least not with Warhammer. "Weird but ok" is my opinion so far.

You’re 100% correct on the good-will side of things. I only bought 3K on a heavy sale and honestly barely touched it since then. Never touched Troy, never will. Hell, I didn’t even know Pharaoh was in the making. That’s how little I care about CA’s new shit. I got Rome 2, am happy with that.

Thanks for posting your analysis. It made a lot of sense to me and I agreed with your conclusions. It was refreshing to hear a fair and rationale perspective on the price tag. Keep up the good work!

22:12 "Get your wife's boyfriend to buy you a switch" I spit out my drink, rofl.

There's no justification for it, even if there is an "explanation" for it. It should be 15$, not 25$. Don't buy it, don't preorder.

@cristianfatu2088

11 ай бұрын

Say who? I want a 7900 xtx and the 4090 for 10€ But sadly inflation hits everyone and i have to pay those 1200€ or 1800€.

@MandoMTL

11 ай бұрын

​@@cristianfatu2088That's not an argument. You're reaching hard.

@jellydamgood

11 ай бұрын

​@@cristianfatu2088do you really have to? You can just not buy it. Buying entertainment products isn't exactly a survival necessity.

@Diegoshadow85

11 ай бұрын

@@cristianfatu2088 You don't have to you are just addicted manchild that can't control urges.

@Queen_Serafina

11 ай бұрын

@@cristianfatu2088 bro what are you talking about?

Don't buy it. If you buy it at that price, you've participated in setting the price.

@renhardhalim

11 ай бұрын

I buy it bcs It’s 16$ on my region. Also i work my ass for that money and already anticipated this kind of prices

"They might not have ten hours a day to play video games, they might have two hours a week." I feel so called out right now.

Never thought about incremental price decreasing to cover all consumer brackets over time, makes a lot of sense.

This kind of in fighting has always been in thing in almost every community, and it obviously solves nothing. As if lower prices would some how harm the ego of these people that protect anti consumer behavior but the best thing to do; and I have said it relentlessly, is to just not buy the product. If the product doesn't offer a good value don't buy it, mostly during the time it will be coming out, we will be only 30 days away from starfield if that's something you are interested in. You can always pick up the dlc later on sale.

@lightworker2956

11 ай бұрын

Yeah, given the insanely high rate of actual inflation (which is more than what the government admits), this price hike might not be that crazy.

@aersla1731

11 ай бұрын

@@lightworker2956 Well that's a separate discussion, even though it might some what correlate with the price hike, we just lack some info that would solely put this up to inflation. It's also a digital good, which inflation would only affect man hours and infrastructure, and we just lack this information.

@meyr1992

11 ай бұрын

that solves nothing tho did you not watch the video? they will get your money eventually when it goes on sale while also getting the money from the big spenders all according to plan

@TheOffkilter

11 ай бұрын

@@lightworker2956 inflation doesn't affect a digitally distributed product whatsoever.

@FumblsTheSniper

11 ай бұрын

At least CA releases games that people want. Pretty sure Starfield is going straight to the ps2 bargain bin.

Well said, Legend. Thanks for giving an insight into the business aspect of the price hike, too, it's always interesting to see the behind-the-scenes of stuff like that. It's a real shame that CA decided to go this route with DLC for Warhammer, but hopefully enough people get sick of it in time that they can go back to the pricing models in WH2.

5:50 to be perfectly honest, i love your tangents. It would be nice to watch a podcast where you just tell us stories from the past.

I love seeing videos like this from you, thank you for speaking out.

The goodwill and word of mouth was super on point for me personally. I used to be a "historical mark" when it come to TW but toward the end of WH2 I've heard so many positive things about it (many of which was from you) that it got me back in and I bought every TWWH products since. Another point I want to make is that people in small markets like me cant use many market sites like Instant gaming because the code are not supported in our region so we have to wait for official Steam sales for DLCs. Relative prices are also a bit higher in our countries compared to US and UK since the exchange rate and price level are not in our favors. This aggressive price strategy would discourage players in other smaller regions than most from buying future products.

@guilhermetheodoro5759

11 ай бұрын

can't you use global keys? A lor pf places seel global keys, and is rare that they didn't work.

@DarkDragon5551669

11 ай бұрын

@@guilhermetheodoro5759 thank you for pointing that out, I might have missed it or did not know how to properly use it, definitely try looking harder next time.

@AndRei-yc3ti

11 ай бұрын

What region are u in

@arcticdream4905

11 ай бұрын

Get global keys? You could be on the moon and still get a global key. This comment doesn't make sense except for the price conversions. Those have been terrible forever and I wouldn't expect it to get better when they can keep milking you guys at 0 loss to their company. Only loss is their respect but clearly they dont care if they're respected.

Legend you made a good point about goodwill. I think it applies to Warhammer 2 because then goodwill was important as CA knew 3 was coming and goodwill was valuable to help it sell well. Now there will no Warhammer 4 so the value of goodwill decreases and CA are incentivsed to favour aggressive pricing to squeeze consumers as much as possible at the end of this series' lifecycle. And whatever new fantasy game they release next can be marketed as transformative to distance itself from the badwill gained by heavily monetizing Warhammer 3. Kinda shown in how the badwill from the historical total war community never bled through into Warhammer 2. Also its been so refreshing to play a feature complete game in BG3. No locked content. No season pass. No premium cosmetics that look way better than anything else in the game. If you choose to upload any content of the game I'd enjoy watching how you approach a CRPG like it.

@sr71silver

11 ай бұрын

I'm not sure that argument holds water. It would work if WH3 was nearing the end of its life but there's still a lot of possible content for them to mine. There are at least 2 major race packs left for Ind and Keresh not to mention a hoard of characters for both old and new races. They easily have enough content available for a dozen more DLCs. That's a lot of money to piss away for the sake of a quick buck right now.

@BouncerMcDayGreen

11 ай бұрын

​@@sr71silverYes and no. You're right that it may seem a little early, but you're wrong in the sense that you think they still have a lot of content to milk and they don't need to be so aggressive right now. They will be aggressive from now and UNTIL they milk all the potentially available content. It's a good strategy. Release the DLCs at stupid prices, milk the ones who are willing to buy them, then once that wave dies off, release ever increasing sales on each DLCs until all the people who want it end up buying it, at their various levels of money spending willingness. Next sale will be 25-40% off. On Christmas they'll drop it down to 60% off. Beyond that, fuck knows. People will still buy it, just at different times and different prices. They'll use WH3 to gauge and possibly abuse as much monetary gain as they can, especially until the game gets pirated and they notice huge sale drops. They might backpedal a bit at that point, but they'll overall use WH3 as a cash cow for their next title. Could be they'll rebuild pharaoh, could be they'll work on something else.

@thelonecookie3592

11 ай бұрын

Honestly. They should do what War Thunders' playerbase did. - Review bomb it into oblivion so it doesn't reach the eyes of new consumers. A few weeks later, the game released updates which is making it far more of a user friendly experience, and reduction in money-grubbing behaviours. - It actually works as a concept. People who tell you it doesn't are wrong.

@josephrohrbach1588

11 ай бұрын

@@sr71silver I mean, I wouldn't be overenthusiastic about getting Ind/Khuresh. Those are both pretty remote possibilities.

@sr71silver

11 ай бұрын

@@josephrohrbach1588 so was Cathay at one point.

Good discussion of the topic, and I also appreciate the quick dig at 4:40, haha

This was a really good explanation on how sales work, something they might need to teach a schools

For the Chaos Dwarfs, I do somewhat understand the pricing, as we got a lot of content, more in my opinion, than any other previous DLC, so I believe that was justified. The same price for 3 legendary lords from existing races is wild. With the chaos dwarfs, we got 31 new units, an extensive system for the chaos dwarfs, and much more. With this new legendary lord pack, we are getting 11 new units, and legendary lords that will follow an system we already have, maybe slightly deviating from it. None the less, this is one of the worst priced DLCs from a content perspective, but I'm gonna have to see it in game before coming to a conclusion, definitely not pre-ordering it.

@blaat44

11 ай бұрын

We got 3 lords with the exact same playstyle while this DLC seems to have actual unique faction mechanics.

@Frederatorr

11 ай бұрын

@@blaat44 Like I said, that maybe the case, we'll have to wait to see how it plays. The chaos dwarf lords do play differently, and even if they didn't, we still got around 3x the amount of units we're gonna get in the the shadows of change DLC

@theStamax

11 ай бұрын

I'm curious how Chaos Dwarfs offered more content than ANY other dlc, considering Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast both have significantly more unique mechanics and more varied playstyles. Not saying the CD dlc was misspriced (I actually think it was a fair price considering inflation) and a fine dlc overall. I'm just wondering what you are basing that thought on. Because almost all their mechanics are straight up yoinked from other factions.

@Frederatorr

11 ай бұрын

@@theStamax tbh I do agree with you, the Tomb Kings is probably imo the most value DLC, I absolutely love it. Vampire coast is cool, but also had a lot of "stolen" mechanics, such as the raise dead, and their coves are similar to skaven under-cities, but with tomb kings, its understandable.

@shmekelfreckles8157

11 ай бұрын

@@Frederatorryou know that skaven stole the undercity mechanic from pirate coves, not the other way around?

Hey Legend, just wanted to say I really appreciate the change in tone from some of your early vids. You have become such a great and awesome guy and I fully enjoy your content now. Discussions like theese are very important and I just wanted to say good job and thank you. Have a good one mate.

@zoetje9817

11 ай бұрын

It’s so much better than 5 years ago. He sounds a lot less stressed as well. Props to him!

You have just gained good will with me Legend ! Keep up the good work !

Liking this one. It's nice to hear someone who speaks from experience on an issue and trying a rational, rather than emotional tack. Thank you!

When you see entire games like Valheim competitively priced, raised eyebrows are warranted.

@luka188

11 ай бұрын

So true, Valheim offers so much more than this dlc, how can anyone justify what is essentially a glorified cosmetic pack for that kind of price? It is ludicrous.

Shadows of short change 😁👌🏻

That´s a great explanation of how pricing works. Nicely done!

Insane pricing. And Baldurs Gate 3 has hundreds of hours of playtime, quality and quantity content, no extra costs. And it has an actual fun campaign to play. Remember how fun the main campaign from TW3 is? Creative Assembly gets too high on their horse.

@tarnyowl6068

11 ай бұрын

Tbf WH3 prologue with the guys slow turn to chaos filled with voice lines and cutscenes was amazing and made me super excited to play the game.

@xiaopewpew

11 ай бұрын

baldur's gate has very limited amount of playable characters to be made naked. warhammer 3 offers entire armies. there is no comparison in quality and quantity.

@RevolverOcelot1976

11 ай бұрын

@@tarnyowl6068 The prologue was the best part. The descent into madness from the protagonist of the prologue was really good. The siege mechanics and the grindy chaos gate mechanic broke the fun in the original campaign for me. An ogre playthrough was fun though. I own every dlc of total warhammer. i will buy this next dlc. but still 25 € for 2 lords is really pushing it.

@RevolverOcelot1976

11 ай бұрын

@@xiaopewpew Your are a true gentleman/gentlewoman/whatever you identify as. I do not think that the amount of naked, fuckable characters are a good metric to rate a roleplaying game on. BG3 is not a hentai game. The main campaign of TWH3 is not fun. How many people are playing it again? Everyone is playing Immortal Empires. And that campaign you did only get if you owned all 3 games. That is like 60 € times three. 180 € to have fun with the games you paid for. If that is not price gouging, then what is in your eyes? If you have to pay hundreds of dollars to get the full experience, then BG3 is the better more cost-effective game, it will have no extra DLC and comes as a fun experience out of the box. And yes you can compare a tactical roleplaying game to a wargame. They have the same origins. D&D was a wargame at the beginning. The BG3 has well though out mechanics, TWH3 is a messy piece of garbage with unbalanced units, and each time a DLC gets released suddenly all the new units are super op to make the peopel buy it. The units and models are superb and it is fun to fight fantasy armies in the Warhammer Fantasy universe. Do not get me wrong, i am still a fan and own every last game and dlc of the series. But the greed/business practice of CA is really pushing the limits of respectfull attitude towards their loyal customer base. I like the TW series but hey they are really pushing it with 25€ for 2 Lords. What is next? TWH 2 and 3 were glorified race packs with 4 races too, and a shitty campaign tagged on it. The only playable thing is the big immortal empires campaign. Did they even patch the Chaos Gate Campaign. Did they change the siege mechanics that are completely nonsensical, gamey, frustrating, time consuming and not fun to play after x times. I just want to have fun battles, not a wag-a-mole capture the flag mini-game. Have fun.

@IVPixel

11 ай бұрын

such quality that the animations during the conversations look like something from mass effect 1

You're 100% right about Pharaoh. Not that I wouldn't play it if it's good. But I've been burned too much by historical games since ToB. And was really disappointed how they fumbled 3 kingdoms DLC (whoever decided to do 8 princes as the first DLC should be fired)

Total War Warhammer becoming as expensive as Warhammer Fantasy itself

A very solid video. For my part, I am in a rough financial situation so I couldn't pre-order even if I wanted to. But... even if I was doing fine? I'd be letting this sit on the shelf for the moment. That price seems like a little much for me, and there are far too many other things competing for my time these days.

I am in the camp you talked about with Pharaoh. I want the game, I'm reaaally interested in it actually. But I'm not buying it till release day *at best* partially because of this but also bc of the recent failure in bug fixes and game maintenance.

Great video. People need to know about all these marketing techniques to avoid making mistakes. It's also good to hear that other KZreadrs on the inside are starting to push back to. (I warned CA many times they have a revolt on the horizon - did they listen? Of course not)

@conradovillegasalvarado6392

11 ай бұрын

Holy shit it's pajama man

@IceniTotalWar

11 ай бұрын

The Fez speaks the Truth !!!

This price was a final straw for me. The problem is, I'm not living in first-world countries. When the price was raised for my region for the base game I didn't like it, but still, because I loved Total War and I knew I would spend a lot of time in this game, I bought it even though I didn't like the price. The next step with pricing was chaos dwarfs DLC which doubled their price on total war DLC in my region compared to DLC for 1 and 2 games. I hated it but still, because I loved the game I bought it but it was like the final price that I could give for a DLC. And now they've doubled the price for every DLC again. I can't pay for it and if I could I wouldn't. It's just disgusting to ask this price for one DLC, which is nearly equivalented to Baldur's Gate 3 (again, in my region, I can't say for the others) and I really doubt that it will bring me the same joy as BG3 is doing it right now. Total War games still don't have a text localization for my region but still, they're doubling the price (they did it twice). Well, I better play another game that can bring me the same or better experience (BG3, Hogwarts Legacy, Elden ring for instance) for the same amount of money they're asking for one DLC that brings us only 3 factions with no 4 LL like it was before. It's not worth the price for my region at all, and I really doubt that there will be a lot of people here who will buy it. With this, I'm done with Total War games until the price is changed. But I still will watch your videos because I really like your content, doesn't matter if is it Total War or other games that you play on the channel. Love you, Legends

@AndRei-yc3ti

11 ай бұрын

What region

@zunjin

11 ай бұрын

Sucks to live in your region

For me, the biggest problem with CA is not the prices or content quality, it was putting Troy on Epic exclusivity for a year. Which meant even if they gave it away for free it was basically DOA. Still, Pharaoh is back on steam so I guess they learned something from that diabolical.

@MaMastoast

11 ай бұрын

I dunno if they learned anytihng, I just dont think Epic is doing the aggressive exclusivity push anymore

When Legend plays BG3 i hope he makes a barbarian that later becomes a monk as a stand in for the softening of his demeanor over the years. Good video, never pre order

That's insane. For me this DLC costs almost the same amount as the base game. Even Paradox DLC policy is better.

@CataStudies

11 ай бұрын

Paradox DLCs from my experience at least are somewhat worth the price.

@TheBarser

11 ай бұрын

Its way to expensive, but we are not at the level of paradox yet. Atleast the warhammer dlcs has been good with lots of content while paradox dlc are usually just small updates

@RoulicisThe

11 ай бұрын

Paradox DLC are worth the price, and they usually accompany updates to the game itself that you don't have to pay for. And besides : you don't "need" DLC to have fun on their game, it's perfectly serviceable by itself. CA released Warhammer 3 half finished and is making us pay for the missing parts piece by piece.

@MrJustCallMeJames

11 ай бұрын

@@CataStudies They are not. I have always used Paradox DLC practices as example of bad DLC practices. The fact that CA somehow manages to be even worse. Means that people from CA should go to jail. Not that we start accepting Paradoxes DLC practices.

@beefmonstr4644

11 ай бұрын

@@MrJustCallMeJames I dunno, I've spent a lot of money on Stellaris and I think it's all been more than worth it given the time I've gotten out of that game

Question for this: Obviously the plan is for the other 2 planned DLCs to be in the same price vein ($75 for all of this, Jesus), but if this one does poorly enough, do you think they will reconsider, or is it too late for those two as well?

You are not failing, they are failing us. Best of luck in your life mate

25:33 I know that this is a hyper-specific comment, but I would say bows do have massive impact in Shogun 2. Not because they are particularly devastating units, but archers shape the battlefield a lot. If a side lacks archers in Shogun 2, the other can pick off entire units without being touched (whether there are trees or not matters a lot, and the skill of the units matter too, Bow Samurai are so much more effective than Bow Ashigaru), or using the threat of that, forcing the enemy to attack one's defensive position.

As someone who isn't a stranger to DLCs being both high in quantity and price (Paradox enjoyer here), CA just cannot justify £20 for this DLC. Now granted, I thought £20 for Chaos Dwarfs (Which I'm yet to buy) *might* be justifiable. It's an entirely new race with entirely new units and mechanics, and honestly, I wish it was reasonably priced because their playstyle is one I enjoy the most (Heavy emphasis on artillery, magic, etc). I understand that companies have to charge more nowadays because inflation, at least in the UK, has increased a lot, so they need to charge more to make a profit. But as you said, charging £20 for a DLC that adds 3 legendary lords to factions that already exist with a select few new units completely shreds their image. The base game was £50, which was steep enough as it is. Shadows of Change + Chaos Dwarves = 80% of the base game already. There will always be the select few people who have money they can throw at these DLCs because they're financially doing well in life, and kudos to them. But as someone who works part-time and has just finished university, some months I cannot afford to drop £20 on a singular DLC. Now I don't have any experience in sales, only retail (xdd), but I feel like maintaining a good image and charging low enough to be appealing to the mass, but high enough to still make a profit, is so much better than charging an extreme amount. At least with a company like paradox, who are notorious for their DLCs, actually have ways around their mass amount of DLC,. that being the subscription service. I still use this for EU4. TLDR: We should all not pre order this DLC or any DLC at this price UNLESS we get both high quality and quantity. Screaming and crying about the price but then still buying it makes no sense. CA, like every other company, sees the world through money, not ethics. Take their money away, and maybe, just maybe, we might see a change. Tho since the prices are decided by a select few driven soley by profit, it's unlikely.

@anthonydouglas8060

11 ай бұрын

With people electing evil scum, Inflation is up every where unfortunately.

@russell6075

11 ай бұрын

They would make more money if they charged less for a digital product tbf. High prices put people off low prices more people buy even the ones less interested

@Ravengagepvl

11 ай бұрын

One little nitpick here, video game companies don't need to charge more "because of inflation". They're not having to source more expensive materials in order to make their product so there is no reason why their operating costs would have gone up. They're simply greedy, full stop.

@josephrohrbach1588

11 ай бұрын

@@Ravengagepvl They are having to source more expensive materials (part replacements and upgrades, office supplies, etc.), but not on such a big scale. They're also having to pay their employees more because everything else is inflated. It's not *all* greed.

If you pre order this there's nothing stopping CA from constantly increasing the price of the next DLC to the point where it's almost the same price as the full game

@alextros3549

11 ай бұрын

Except its not going to increase again. The price increase from 20 -> 25 is a general inflation increase. One we haven't seen since the mid 2000's. And with that in mind, its not too bad all things considered

@Guntfarm

11 ай бұрын

@@alextros3549 25 rounded up is 30. That's a 50% price increase for less content.

@Lukashoffmann94

11 ай бұрын

⁠@@alextros3549 What are you smoking to think it only went from 20 to 25? We had CoC last year for 16 and in WH1 we had Lordpacks for 7,5. Last time I checked we aren’t living in Venezuela, where 300% inflation in 7 years actually happens.

@AleXoEx0

11 ай бұрын

@@alextros3549 posts $25/£20 DLC like it's normal. Laughable.

@alextros3549

11 ай бұрын

@@AleXoEx0 You posting about that without reading, that's laughable too.

I really dont like how in the changeling reveal video total war posted the sheer amount of times throughout the video they mention ordering and preordering it felt very crass to me and i feel like theyre normally not so in your face about it but please correct me if im wrong

Hey man. You talk about "feeling like you've failed". Don't feel that way. You'd only have failed if you hadn't tried to fight for change at all. You're fighting so much more and doing more for the community than a lot of other people - I and many other like me are very proud of you for what you've done, and very happy to see you continue to involve yourself and try to make things better for us. You haven't failed at all.

@christopherboye5498

11 ай бұрын

He meant that he failed to change the minds back at CA, not us consumers.

The mechanics for the changling keeps me hopeful the other 2 faction are just as unique and complex that they hopefully justify the price point, but the lack of units will make that really hard to justify $25.

@SupremeGrand-MasterAzrael

11 ай бұрын

You are insane to be "hopeful" imo. Naïve is more like it. It's just green cathay. Cathay doesn't even get its missing heros lmfao

@arcticdream4905

11 ай бұрын

@@SupremeGrand-MasterAzrael Agreed. Cant believe people even try to justify this. Shows how far the gaming generations have changed mindsets. Quite frankly theres nothing we can do anymore. All these companies are gonna cash out and make even more profit. The "hopefuls" will hop on board with no qualms.

@generalgrizzly7914

11 ай бұрын

@@arcticdream4905 yeah idk even way back when I was younger I learned after battlefront to never pre-order a game, only made an exception once for battlefield 1 but since then I have been proven right time and again to wait for launch and watch several reviews. Cyper77, No mans sky, fallout 76, bfv, 2042, 95% of the recent COD games. I just never pre-order anymore and wait for reviews.

@hugozielinski4916

11 ай бұрын

It's going to be the same as before, with one faction getting all the fun toys, and the others getting squat.

@LancePeebles

11 ай бұрын

@@SupremeGrand-MasterAzrael hey just wanted to say you convinced me to refuse. honestly, I paid $22 for the Vortx beast because I have expendable income but I’ll take the side of the people as the community seems really upset and I can wait for a sale.

I think your point of view of former sales man it really excellent and informative.

​ @LegendofTotalWar Hey what are your thoughts about BG3?

23:47 one thing I have not often seen is why other KZreadrs aren’t meant honing the fact that sales would better if they confirmed that Mesopotamia is coming. You can’t have a ultimate Bronze Age experience without Mesopotamia! Feels like I’m the only one screaming into the wind about it.

@Artiyoum

11 ай бұрын

Yes, if it will be only Egypt and some parts of Anatolia it will be very boring.

I have disposable cash but I won't pay a dlc with only lord the same price as a race pack what the hell.

@carlroy

11 ай бұрын

In the mean time I'm gonna play Baldur's Gate 3.

I really wouldn't mind the price hike if they invested more into the game. There are a lot of issues, yes, there have been some fixes since the launch of the game, but there's still plenty to fix. Many faction to bring up to speed. Content to be added. I don't mind the price hike if we get a longer live cycle for W3. But give more resources to it. Make a custodian team.

@Phoenix-sc6di

11 ай бұрын

And the AI is still a bloody mess. It's a shame, especially in battles.

@Booklat1

11 ай бұрын

the problem is by increasing prices they only showcase their intention to milk the product as fast as they can before finally quitting working on it

I was planning or preordering, because I have the money to do so, and 10% off sounded good enough for me. After watching this video, yeah nah, will wait at least until it 1st of September or maybe when it is on sale. Not because I can't, but because you have to say enough eventually. Thanks for the info on how these business operate, will keep it in mind in the future!

The fact that video games have been 60 dollars for decades is truly mind boggling

I've been thinking about something I saw when Warhammer 3 first came out, and when people were upset about the QA issues, there were people in that subreddit begging people not to boycott the game/upcoming DLC - in fear of Warhammer 3 being abandoned before we got to see a fully finished immortal empires. They pointed at 3 kingdoms and said it was abandoned due to criticism and poor sales. Whether that's true or whether CA would actually abandon warhammer total war, I was interested in your thoughts on that take. I still see it in the community often.

@arcticdream4905

11 ай бұрын

Games are usually pulled over poor financials. However, its more likely they're abandoning the historical community at large.

@necro4258

11 ай бұрын

Honestly, if people boycotting a game over unaddressed grievances are enough to pull the plug on the game entirely, it’s probably for the best. Some things aren’t meant to be and it’ll only make things worse to try and force it.

@TheNetherlandDwarf

11 ай бұрын

These are both things I've thought in response to this. If anything else I find this whole thing really interesting. The TW games were effectively set up as a long term investment between CA and the players and seeing the way both are responding to it over time should be informative for anyone trying this in the future. Then again, all this reminds me of drama in a lot of early access titles I've seen, but just scaled up and over multiple titles, so bad business practice is not **that** interesting...

@arcticdream4905

11 ай бұрын

@@TheNetherlandDwarf At this point CA is looking at companies such as Paradox and wondering why they aren't cashing in as well. 50 copies of the DLC at $25 makes 1250, 100 copies at $10 only makes $1000. They're cashing in on the Warhammer mega-fans. Clear as day.

Lmao "shadows of short change" it really do be like that.

wasn't expecting the "get your wife's boyfriend to buy you a switch" flashbang. had me reeling, ty

*Space Skyrim be like:* _"Hey Them/They, you're finally conscious! You were trying to cross that Galaxy Gate, right? Same as us (the space rebels) & that spaceship thief over there."_

not only a legend of war but a legend in the community

You can tell how bad the good will is with CA because it crossed everyone’s mind that if we didn’t buy this dlc when it came out, they might axe WHIII. Once you think logically, you know it probably won’t happen because one dlc didn’t sell but it’s still crossing your mind.

I wasn't really aware about DLC like this being cheaper in the warhammer 2 days, as I didn't really start with it till the end of its development cycle. I bought all the dlc for dirt cheap on a steam summer sale at that time. I did preorder this DLC because seemed reasonable to me since i love cathay and kislev, and I didn't know the history of previous DLC pricing. So if CA has not changed things when next round of DLC comes out, i'll hold back on buying if they continue with the same pricing.

It makes sense to have the pre-order being so high as a feeler for getting those that would pay that much to do so, then as time goes on it gets reduced down to the price people will pay for it through steam sales. I don't think I paid full price for any TW:WH DLC except for the Chaos Dwarfs.