The “Pre-Sampling” of Grandmaster Flash’s “The Message”
Today we’re talking all about the creation of the landmark song, “The Message” by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, why it’s so important to music history, breaking down the inspirations, and once we’ve unravelled the whole thing, I’ll create a mashup moving through music history, using not only the songs that sampled the message, but the songs that the message, well sort of “pre-sampled”
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TOPICS COVERED
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Correction: I misspoke! Herc’s party was August 11th, not the 12th
@devilishclover
Жыл бұрын
Video ruined :(
@rickyspanish4792
Жыл бұрын
@@devilishclover Yeah that's an obvious unsubscribe 8)
@blakegeorge3274
Жыл бұрын
The best channel
@NoyziNeighborz
Жыл бұрын
Yeah man... Don't wanna mess that date..lol. That's like on of our kids B-Day in this Hip Hop world.
@huadataotie5619
Жыл бұрын
Probably ended on August 12th anyway, so no mistake there really.
I’ve had a stressful week, but knowing there’s a rapper whose stage name was Duke Bootee has really given me a lift.
@christophergarza9118
Жыл бұрын
😂 hilarious
@StretchinBack
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaKV1raRdaiekdI.html In 1984, I recorded Bootee's "Live Wire" off the radio onto cassette tape.
@ericbrooks858
Жыл бұрын
He was a music producer not rapper
@HypnoticHollywood
Жыл бұрын
He wasn't even a rapper but just rapped on this one song.
@analogmainstream
Жыл бұрын
@@HypnoticHollywood he had an whole album out in 1984 where he rapped. He also rapped on The Message II (Survival) alongside Melle Mel
So my dad and Duke Bootee (The Duke of Booty) did music together in Savannah often before Duke’s passing so this episode is special to me. My dad recently gave me one of the original copies of “The Message” and it’s amazingly Duke Bootee throughout. He conceived it in a basement, wrote, produced and outside of the verse beginning with “A child is born with no state of mind” it’s all Duke. Wiiild to remember we’d be at his house and they’d be doing music while we watched; As kids you think these guys are old but you grow up to learn they’re absolute legends.
@jizzmaster2000
Жыл бұрын
💁
@gardenlover9663
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your story/history with us.
@subsanity667
Жыл бұрын
That's a very interesting story! I love Duke Bootee's production methods from those early rap/ hiphop singles especially the raw drum machine beats,and scratching on Z-3 MCs- Triple Threat 12 inch,it still "Slaps" today, 100% real hip hop
@DubTuck002
10 ай бұрын
This recounting of hip hop history is special 🙏🏽 thank you 👊🏽
@LaurenceCousins-ov9tn
10 ай бұрын
Who was your dad?
This is hip hop history. Man, the blending of the songs. Perfection!
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
🙏
@thatracecameraguy
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agreed. That mashup was sick
@sgtcreasegrease
Жыл бұрын
@@diggingthegreats some real dj ish.
@work6312
Жыл бұрын
I’m in my mid 60’s I can attest to the fact that this is history.
@ericwitt4359
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where the bass used in the various songs at 10.00 minutes in the video come from? Looked for various songs of Duke Bootee and couldn't find it. Can anyone tell me because I would like to find it.
I’m 57 years old. Born and raised in Fort Greene Brooklyn. I was in, and into “hip-hop” from day one, although not anymore. I can’t fuck with this shit that they are doing today. I remember all of those “base” song that inspired The Message; and I remember The Message and how it was viewed when it came out. I say all of that to say this: That mix you did was hot as fuck.
Thank you for acknowledging Mr. Duke Bootee... He's a legend from my neighborhood... He wrote the whole song except the last verse that Mel wrote... Mel downplays him like hes only a percussionist..Give that man his proper respect.... Rest in peace Mr. Fletcher.
@vincent5318
Жыл бұрын
I caught that also, Mr. Fletcher was a musician at the highest level. What has Melle Mel done since 1982?
@TheKidyoung24
10 ай бұрын
@vincent5318 I'm all about giving credit where it's due to a legend such as Duke Bootee...but don't degrade another legend such as the pioneer of reality rap...mister Melle Mel himself. It it wasn't for him and several others before and after him, we'd still be spitting the "bom to da bomb da dang to dang diggy diggy" and "hip hop da hip it da hippy hippy hip hip hop and ya don't stop" etc and etc. Don't get me wrong...I love and appreciate all that come before and after ....I love hip hop from the beginning till today. I'm rather an enthusiastic and potential expert in the world of rap music....so no disrespect intended but Melle Mell is a legend to this genre as is Duke Bootee
@LaurenceCousins-ov9tn
2 ай бұрын
Ed was an incredible musician. More than a percussionist, which is amazing in itself. He was also a jazz pianist and vibraphonist. Inspiration to me.
As someone that has studied hip-hop production for decades, I love these videos. It's like watching Jeopardy at home and trying to guess the answer before the contestants. So important to pass this info on to newer generations. Keep up the good work. And oh...here's some suggestions for future videos: 1. The innovations and legacy of Kurtis Mantronik (the original 'King Of The Beats') 2. DJ Magic Mike and the 'Bass Music' scene of the 90's 3, The history of the Beat Tape released as a commercial album.
@davidallen6126
Жыл бұрын
all 3 suggestions are great ideas, I hope he makes 'em
@fedoramcclaren4294
Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness...YES!!!
@chamboyette853
Жыл бұрын
Cool073 - I'm not into hip hop but I listen to this channel because the guy looks sooo cute and cuddly that I think about taking him to bed with me and just caressing his stomach (no homo by the way because I don't care for them). On another subject, if that is your real picture I would like to put my fingers on your glasses while you are wearing them. May I?
If hip hop had an anthem, this would be it 🔥
@PoloRollo
Жыл бұрын
this guy 💀
@cloony1
Жыл бұрын
Player's?
@PoloRollo
Жыл бұрын
This was the TikTok anthem for like a month
@lostinjazz
Жыл бұрын
Hip Hop‘s anthem has always been „Apache“ by The Incredible Bongo Band in my book though..
@PoloRollo
Жыл бұрын
@@lostinjazz I was thinking more of a radio hip hop like Gangsta's Paradise or Hypnotize.
Honestly the only issue I have with the creator is he doesn’t do enough videos. I really enjoy ALL of his videos.
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
🙏 I wish I could do more too!
Your channel is not only great , your charisma is off the charts makes me keep wanting to watch
If it isn’t already, hip-hop should be taught as a college course. Its contribution to music is incredibly massive, it’s so interesting to hear the history of the music we listen to today, it’s origin, it’s transformation through the years, how innovative Artist metamorphoses simple beats and rhythms into a masterpiece. I would love to be a hip-hop nerd and know much more than I do.
@malik87breaker
Ай бұрын
It's a sub-culture that could be researched. If not as a culture. If only someone can make researches, it is doable. Why not research? It could be taken as a class.
This channel is so informative!! Is it me, but I also hear One Way’s “Cutie Pie” from the sample.
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
Oh absolutely
Good information and the mix you did at the end was dope... In addition to the facts you provided, Edward Fletcher aka Duke Bootee wrote almost all of the lyrics, even Melle Mel's part except for the last verse that Melle Mel wrote and recorded on a previous Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 song called 'Superrappin'. According Mel it was Sylvia Robinson who suggested he used those same lyrics for The Message
That djing at the end mixing all 3 songs together with some of the best dj I've seen
You finally convinced me you are a God-damned musical genius. Your idea for that tribute mix was so innovative.
I don't even comment on videos, but damn, I had to replay that mix like 100x. Awesome channel 😍
That bottle percussion at the end, sheer genius! You have done it again my friend 👍🏾
If anyones wondering the dope synthesizer sounds that actually made this a timeless classic are very hard to replicate ,come from an analog Sequential circuits prophet 5 synthesizer and the drums come from an oberheim DMX Drum machine. Good look making this with VST synth plugins...
Keith LeBlanc, Doug Wimbish, Skip McDonald=The Sugarhill sound!! Add Adrian Sherwood to the mix, and you have Tackhead.
@mossadon
10 ай бұрын
Here's Tackhead live with Mel droppin The Message ... kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZndhuNmmZrK2pLQ.html
Damn that was the sickest mix you've done so far on these episodes
Biggest musical influence for The Message probably was One Way - Cutie Pie! One of the most instantly recognizable beats of Hip Hop history!
@csmcrckrs
Жыл бұрын
P.S. And I LOVE the flexatone sound effect! Could this be the source for the flexatone becoming such a staple of West Coast Hip Hop? Perfected by none other than DJ Quik of course
You should do a video on how early producers utilised limited sampling equipment, since samplers with more memory cost a fortune at the time. e.g., look at how Ced Gee made Ego Trippin' using the 1.2 seconds of the original SP-12. It's also the first time the popular Synthetic Substitution break was sampled.
The last verse of the message is hands down one of the best in hip hop history🙏🙏
My man you do not miss. Learning so much from your content, much appreciation for the knowledge!
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the support
Duke Bootie /Ed Fletcher started as a jazz drummer/vibraphonist inspired me to play vibes and other percussions.
I'm not a huge music guy, but I love your channel. It's so well researched. How you present a song's influences, break down the history, and remix the songs is FIRE. Keep up the great work, my man!
The best rap song ever made. STILL today the lyrics hit home, the beat is original and unforgettable, the flow on point. Amazing.
Nice job. Old dudes like me already knew this info but you put it in an incredible way. Love it.
"The Message" had meaning, very good beats and even connected people who weren't into rap because of the lyrics. The Message is one of the blueprints missing from today's rap/hip hop. It was and is a statement!
I feel like the majority of people who listen to hip hop could care less where samples came from ..which is unfortunate because every sample has a story ..so i appreciate this channel !!!!
@Chito783
Ай бұрын
I love going down the rabbit hole searching for the original songs that were sampled.
That mix you did at the end was .... 🔥
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
Love the channel, sir! Hoping to see you cover Gil Scott-Heron some day 🙌
Great video! I love the history behind the songs and how they are sampled to this very day. The mix on the end was phenomenal. 🔥🔥🔥
Your video intros are amazing. You get to the point and make me want to watch and learn more. Honestly been binging your stuff all week 😍
These videos are amazing! Very informative and inspiring. I always want to go immediately to the studio after watching.
Bro, this is just GREAT! Keep it up man, the content is perfect.
Thank you for your work. It is much appreciated. So much joy in watching the love for music in you.
Nice breakdown of what influenced this classic song! I still play my beat up 12 inch single of The Message to friends or younger people into hiphop.
Thank you sir. Keep doing what you doing. I love your channel. Everything you've done is outstanding.
Man you are legit my new fave KZread channel. Hip-hop is life and you embody that statement. Your videos are done real well, the information is solid, and it's super fun to watch! Big props!!!!
i got so excited when i saw this!!! this is one of my favorite rap song's ever and to see it be broken down is amazing!!! there was always something about the instrumental i liked so thank you for this! amazing videos as always!
your videos are always great - you can see all the work that goes into them - awesome job!
Man, this channel is criminally underrated. Also mad props for Duke Bootee.
Your channel, lectures and demos are facinating. Wow!
i love the way you did this ! The isolations , The edits ! dope
Amazing video. Great story telling about the history of the song. I loved the mix at the end.
Miles was down with Duke Bootee too. Theres even a song on Doo Bop called Duke Bootee. And i think he was involved in the production of that album along with Easy Mo Bee.
loved the mashup, great work
What a fantastic track breakdown and music history demonstration, world needs more content like this! 🔥
This is one of your BEST video, BRAVO!
Really appreciate the time you put in to your work, I learn something each episode. Love the work.
@C-Lyfe85
Жыл бұрын
He put all that work in and still got it wrong. This dude don't know nothing about no funk music. Anybody that knows knows that record was inspired from Al Hudson and One Way Cutie Pie.
OK, my mind is blown by the notion of Eno/Byrne being an influence on The Message. It delights me to know how broad the pallette was for hip hop from the very beginning.
Another Friday, Another journey into Hip Hop history! For everyone digging the songs "stemming" from The Message check out "Close Edge" by Mos Def it is an awesome 1A/cousin to the songs mentioned here both the studio version and especially the live version from Chapelle Show.
As always, a banger of a video. Love this channel.
Genius and Epic. Hip Hop History was just created right there. wow
always super cool trip with you man, thanks for making these videos. great work
This is becoming an all time great youtube channel for me
This is fantastic. I always wondered about this one. One of my favorite grooves.
love this channel, look forward to watching every friday, keep up the good work 👊 !
When i first saw your content i was pleasantly surprised to see how high quality it is and surprised at the amount of subscribers you have, this os truly high quality content and inspires me. Id love to see you do a podcast or something like that one day as well as expand your merch and such!
Thank you so much for this videos from Spain. Top. 🙌🏽
This one Was amazing so much knowledge, talent and own Skill at The end in just one Video. Your Research and Editing skills are on an Others Level! Your Chanel will be one of the greatest on KZread in your niche about Samples & music History 💯💯💯
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
🙏🙏
Mate, thanks for all this information. Love your channel
That mash up was super dope!
Frigging love this channel
Love the content 👊🏿
Yooooooooooooooooo Great video!!! Love the mashup. And the bottle was everything
MY NIGGA. EVERY VIDEO IS A BANGER. MY FIRST VIDEO WAS THE J DILLA ONE, BUT JESUS MAN YOU GO SO FUCKING HARD. I FUCKING LUV U.
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
😂 thank you, having too much fun over here
🔥 Great presentation, and hip hop history info and more 👍🏾
Loving all the episodes 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Best channel ever I get so excited when I get notified it’s time for my next hip hop history lesson
Sir. You just got a subscriber. Love your knowledge and love of the craft. It shows.
Your vids are top notch! Thank you:)
I remember hearing this song when it first came out on radio in the 80's. It was so different! Great breakdown 😎 📻
Great video man! This was awesome!
I normally like these breakdowns. But this one was fascinating. Being 53, from Queens, and enamored when hip hop was starting, this hit different. Subscribed.
Amazing! I’m a total “sample” nerd and found this whole story fascinating 💯✨
Thank you bruv! Good stuff🔥
Outstanding work.
This is just too much fun! Brought a huge smile to my face and some great memories of hearing The Message for the first time way back when 👍😃
Big smile on my face for your mix, love it!!! What a teachable moment! But that's what you do, Mr. Greats😍😍I was there--at Kool Herc parties! Grew up with Raheem from the Furious Five in Lambert Houses and am so happy to b here to see Hip Hop's 50th anniversary. God is good!!!
This episode was so dope thanks.
I really enjoyed watching this. Great Job my man
That Mix U Did At The End Is Too Fire Like You Did Dat Homie #Salute
Peace. Your videos are amazing man. Well put together. You’re definitely a student of this culture bruv! Gratitude…
wow, that's the best thing i've seen in a while!
You can tell what year a person was born based on which version they rap when the intro comes on. 😂
@diggingthegreats
Жыл бұрын
😂
Dude. FANTASTIC!!!
Ahhh, one of the first rap songs I learned line for line as a kid, it stayed on heavy rotation on vh1. The constant bombardment of the song/visuals eventually made me really listen its messaging. Your videos are just too interesting. Music teachers should use your videos as enrichment to their curriculum.
Marvellous vid! thanks
Wow. This video is insanely well done. Years back I read Bill Brewster's "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life", which seemed like the definitive history of DJing, and it seemed to be the most well researched and interviewed source for how the Message came togehter. That being said, what you've done with this video, the book could never do. By pulling all of these samples, and soloing them, you really painted the picture. The AMAZING remix you did combining them all was the icing on the cake. You deserve like 10 million followers. Editing and motion graphics were incredible too. Also, if memory serves from the book, I believe Talking Heads/Tom Tom Club were regularly hanging out with Grandmaster as well as the other people in the South Bronx scene back in the day (ESG, Etc...) They've all been pretty clear the pre-sampling went both ways, as Remain in Light and Speaking in Tongues definitely lifted from what people were doing in the early hip hop scene.
Great piece. “Genius of Love” itself was influenced by “Mo Bounce to the Ounce.” Also those high percussion fills in “Genius of Love” were played on “The Message” as well.
@ludamillion
10 ай бұрын
All the influences are connected because Tom Tom Club was made up of the rest of the Talking Heads after David Byrne left the band to record 'My Life in the Bush of Ghosts' with Brian Eno.
@DiscoHank
10 ай бұрын
@@ludamillion Yep, Tina Weymouth being the author of “Genius” famous bassline, and Chris playing the drums.
Dope! A lot of study and time went into this!
Groovin on that mix!!!!
White British guy of 54 years vintage here. Just subscribed due to the rich content and great mix at the end! 🙏🏼👌👌
Wow! That mashup at the end. You killed it showing how close those "pre-samples" get to The Message's sound.
1st time viewer, and I'm super impressed. The breakdown here is so polished and well crafted; and your skills on the 1s and 2s tied it all together nicely. Big up to all the Hip-Hop Historians out there keeping the knowledge alive and fresh! I love this corner of KZread. BTW love the channel name; gonna have to binge the other videos later!
Nice re-mix. Interesting history. We all love The Message.
This was one dope amalgamation. Love how you weaves it all together.
Your mega mix was 🔥.