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@serpilyeter2944

2 ай бұрын

You Videos is cool

Although a very noble act, when flying in bomber formation without fighter escort there is very little you can do if anything to save a stricken comrade. Personally, in that situation you need to cut your loses and keep moving. Instead of one lost crew and aircraft you now have two. RIP and thank you for your service.

I'm sure some of the crews who witnessed this said to themselves, "Sorry, but better you than me." War is, after all, an exercise in personal survival.

While I admire loyalty I have to say that trading 20 lives for 10 and 2 Superforts for 1 was a damn stupid thing to do. He did nothing that could save his friend and killed his own crew. A officer must be thinking of big pictures. Further, he weakened the Combat Box, risking other crews and Forts.

@badboyvr4

2 ай бұрын

Reminds me of the scene in the movie "Twelve O'Clock High" where Gregory Peck chews out one of his aircraft commanders for this exact same thing. Peck went on to say "this group, this group" , he was talking your first responsibility. Peck then ordered that roommate assignments be changed, that way nobody got too close to a roommate and became best friends with them.

@vincentstella5131

2 ай бұрын

Having served in combat as a pilot I fully understand and empathize with the choice Walter Young and his crew made for their friends. If you have never served with friends in combat you may never understand why choices like that are made. In a phrase Waddy Young would probably approve of, please don't be an armchair quarterback if you've never been on this kind of field. I salute him and all those who gave their lives so that others may live.

@mark8544

2 ай бұрын

​​​@@vincentstella5131 poor leadership and amateur heroics got his whole crew killed for nothing, I'm sure their families were delighted about the sacrifice ......and before you start you're not the only veteran in town. Some of us remember a not too distant conflict when American A10 pilots managed to kill more of us than the Iraqi's..........typical American gobshite talk from someone who's probably a PlayStation ace with that attitude, grow up.

@mark8544

2 ай бұрын

100% had he survived he would have been charged.

@Tempestzzzz

2 ай бұрын

@@vincentstella5131 I can't understand why Miss 'Behavin did'n't try to ditch. Being captured by the Japanese by now aircrew knew was not pleasant.

The truth is that he has no hope, whatsoever of helping his friend’s plane, given that it headed back to Japan. There were only two possible outcomes. Either both planes would surrender or both planes would be shot down. The hard, heroic thing would have been to recognize that and keep his crew safe.

Omg I still remember that B-29 nose art. Damn shame this was never shown in movies or Tv.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

God darn! B29 stories need to be told more and I love that TJ says more B29 stories. Excellent work on keeping historical stories alive.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@aquarius5719

2 ай бұрын

These are stories about people getting shot like a sitting duck. Scary stories.

@DaveSCameron

2 ай бұрын

Without fkn #adverts

@JasonMcCord-qk3yb

2 ай бұрын

Yep! They are often incredibly scary stories, Imagine: having to turn back to Japan; a country you just BOMBED, for “safety”! You would hope

@moonshineofthemoon8054

2 ай бұрын

@@aquarius5719 I would never be a bomber crew in WW2 ever

Thank you for that one. I had mentioned Waddy's Wagon in the remarks on one of the nose art videos and asked if you could find any information on it. Boy did you ever! Thanks for filling in the story.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

My relative -- Joe Gatto, tailgunner on Waddy's Wagon. Thank you for remembering him and his buddies.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Wow, very cool.

@mattwilliams3456

2 ай бұрын

I’m not sure how he’d feel about your profile pic…

@JasonMcCord-qk3yb

2 ай бұрын

@@mattwilliams3456Well, it’s actually Mandarin. It’s Zodiac calligraphy for “Dragon”. In WW2 the Chinese were technically US allies, so I think his relative would probably approve.

He violated a standing order never leave the group

@Marty1833

2 ай бұрын

We few. We happy few. We band of brothers, for he today that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother.

@jimwiskus8862

2 ай бұрын

Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, orders or not. Many corpsman died defying orders not to help our wounded. U saw a short video on just such a young man just a few days ago. I do respect your opinion though. ❤

@S01DATT

2 ай бұрын

And violate the group integrity

@cjaquino28

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. But if a close friend is in great peril, and you can help, I bet you would jump to their aid, even at your own peril. I ask you, is it stupidity and sentimentality, or is it camaraderie?

@donalharris3724

2 ай бұрын

@@cjaquino28Stupidity. He reacted emotionally and not with his head. His friend on the other plane was going to die no matter what Capt Young did. All he accomplished was kill every member of his own crew and put the rest of his flight in danger. Officers are supposed to be able to think clearly while under stress. He did not.

I’m sitting here in shock after watching this video, having heard somewhat conflicting stories all my life about the fate of my fathers only brother, Lt Benjamin “ Benji” Crowell and the crew of the misbehaving “ B 29. At 81 years old I heard first hand stories of my surviving aunts and uncles and their wartime experiences. Prior to Ben’s deployment to Saipan, he flew B 24s based in North Africa. His younger sister Benita was an Army Air Corps Nurse in Europe, and married an Officer of same service . Ben’s oldest sister worked in an ammunition plant in Elkton , Md. My father Eugene had served before the war in the Air Corps, at Langley Field, then at the Canal Zone Panama, where although he was an aircraft mechanic, his duty station was the Officers pool….performing exhibition diving as well as lifeguard ing. Evidently the Colonel’s daughter had something to with that! Growing up with the Greatest Genaration as mentors was a blessing, appreciated more as time goes by. I firmly believe we owe them everything for their sacrifices. By the way, all of the eligible family member served when called during the 60s, myself in the Medical Corps, Army then Navy as a reservist. This film is the only time my Uncle has ever showed in this manner, may he and all others who gave their all Rest in Peace….you are remembered always!

@OcotilloTom

2 ай бұрын

Cap. I'm glad to hear you got more info. on your family member. I'm sure others in the family will be pleased as well. My father served with the Marines in the Pacific during WW-2. He was the reason I joined the Marine Corps right after high school in 1964. I served two combat tours with the Infantry in Vietnam. First tour as a machine gunner (0331) and 2nd. tour as a Platoon Commander (0369) of a Combined Action Platoon. I retired after after 20 years in the Marine Corps in 1984. Tom Boyte GySgt. USMC, retired Vietnam 1965-66/1970-71

@michaelmikelson2946

Ай бұрын

Please contact me directly. My relative was on the plane as well. Much of this account (95%) is incorrect.

A very good friend of mine lost his uncle on Waddys Wagon. Bernard Black was the flight engineer. At this same time, my uncle was a mechanic on b29s located near Guam and Tinian between fall of 1944 through the end of 1945. The stories and actions these men took I am still in awe of. Bless each of their souls.

I live near where Waddy grew up, and I've been to his hometown, leading me to be extra invested in this one. It almost brings a tear to my eye.

@kudukilla

2 ай бұрын

I know that town well, same town that Jake “McNasty” McNeice, the leader of the group that sported Mohawks on D-Day, spent a lot of his childhood. They both graduated from the same HS.

My Grandfather was a Bombardier/Navigator on a B-29 in the 873rd BS, 498th BG, and that January 9, 1945 raid on Tokyo was his very first (of 30 missions total). It was a 14 hour 25 min mission according to his official report of action.

This may be in the top three best videos I've ever seen from you, TJ. Keep up the excellent work, keeping history alive and immortalizing these brave heroes.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

What a compliment! Thank you!

A court-martial offense if he had survived, he sacrificed his crew and the integrity of the box formation for a crippled bird that was as good as lost. If he had succeeded in saving everyone, he would have received the Medal of Honor, but fate is no respecter of heroes. "To do good to mankind is the chivalrous plan, And is always as nobly requited; Then battle for freedom whenever you can, And, if not shot or hang'd, you'll be knighted. - Lord Byron

had a feeling this was going to be a sad story..no doubt these brave men were the greatest generation..thx TJ...

Thank you as always, for your hard work saving history. Brave heroes like Captain Young and his crew should never be forgotten!

Saw that photo of Waddy's Wagon so many times and therefore sort of assumed they had made it through the war as their sad fate was never mentioned in captions. Walter Young was very brave but also very stupid. He must have known what the outcome would be and now 20 man are dead instead of 10. Still, true heroes. All of them. RIP.

I was in US Marines, yes ive been in war. Its amazing how the bond with war fighting brothers will sacrifice to save their brothers. Especially when chance of success is very little but all know death is coming.

Turning back towards Japan was a ludicrous decision...the smarter move is to get the stricken Bomber out to Sea as far as possible making repeated coded Mayday calls. Then friction the controls, order a bailout where survival of the crew goes to over 80% .... Waddys Wagon could have circled giving coordinates and gun support until a Sub or Surface unit arrives. What they did was brave...but ultimately foolish.

How did all 10 crew members feel about basically a suicide mission at that point to save essentially a doomed crew? Was this a case of trying to save the battle and losing the war? Anyway, all those guys, on both sides, are heroes. I lost a brother in WWII over Germany in a B-24.

The B29 programme was actually more expensive to produce than the Atomic bomb project. Gives you some idea of how much of a giant technological leap forward the B29 was. It was a long way to Tokio and back.

@jimshoe402

2 ай бұрын

I flew in one 4 men watching 4 engines for Fires Bad engines and mine were NEW..😁😁😁

Great but tragic story. I believe he and his crew did some of their training in my country, Jamaica 🇯🇲, at the old US army airbase Vernam Field. My grandmother 👵 use live and operated a shop south of the base in the village of Gim Mi Mi Bit and remember the time B29's came there on training missions. Crew members plus regular soldiers would by from her the US military 🪖 even renovated her shop. As civilians, we were not allowed to take pictures but I know some crews did and I would love to see if any of them have any of my grandmother at her shop back then. I know of one B29 pilot who took pictures outside the base but his son was not able to put his hands them. His father flew the ship call Sweet Chariot.

What this guy did was dead wrong. He sacrificed his entire crew (men with families) and a very expensive & valuable B-29 to try to save a plane that was unsavable and according to military strategy was to be considered expendable not to mention endangering the rest of his group by pulling out of formation.

Wow, a bunch of unsung heroes, truly one of the great generations!

By far the best wwii KZread channel there is. Nobody comes even close too you!

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

I appreciate that :)

Great story, but a few minor faults. Whoever did the video graphics needs to learn a little history. A B29 showering decoy flares is a several decades historical anachronism. And a B29 with an inboard engine afire is a GET OUT RIGHT NOW scenario. The engine case is cast of magnesium, which once lit is not extinguishable. When the fire reaches the header tank, the heat of the fire will soften the wing spar and fold up the wing. The resulting spin will pin everybody in place, wherever they happen to be.

I can't comment on whether bringing their b29 home and crew members safe to fight for another day is a more rational and better choice or not. It could be. However, I can admire his courage to go along with his friend, knowing it would be a no return flight. I suspect he also had the permission of all crew members before doing so, knowing none of them would survive anyway. These courage is rare!

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Agreed!

Brave - but not smart. He lost his plane and crew and accomplished nothing because he disobeyed orders. That's why this story has not been told more often. I admire his guts - but not his decision.

Walter"Waddy" Roland Young was the first consensus All-American football player at the University of Oklahoma in 1938, as well as a 3rd round draft pick of the Brooklyn Dodgers of the NFL. The man was a hero before he went to war. He's still a hero in Ponca City Oklahoma

I really love how you added the irl footage of the raid. Really adds to the authenticity

Thank you for this and other wonderful stories of true heroes from the Greatest Generation.

Great video about a story I have known about ever since reading Steve Birdsall's "Saga of the Superfortress" many years ago. I am surprised that you didn't mention Walter young's last transmission. Apparently he called "We've got to back this formation up!"

Another excellent presentation of WW2 history. A great story well presented.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Brand new video posted right as a wake up. Brilliant way to start my day.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

R.I.P. both crews, and think you for the nations young men, and women who served and are serving today.

This was an incredible story and a wonderful video to watch. Thank you for creating such great content!

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for your support! :D

@magellantv

2 ай бұрын

@@TJ3 You're so welcome! Thanks for teaching us incredible things!

Brave men giving there all to try to save there friends.....Thanks TJ3 History for another fine video 👍👍 Old F-4 Shoe🇺🇸

Another good one man, another good one - Salute!!!

American fighting men fight for each other in spite of the mortal danger. Waddy showed he was willing to die to help a fellow American have a chance at living.

@charlesanzalone5846

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately killed his crew also

All heros. But watching the movie 12 O’clock High. Your first duty is to the formation. Dropping out to cover a wounded aircraft was against the greater good. God bless our flighting men and women.

@samuelweir5985

2 ай бұрын

That's a cold-blooded take on this but probably a proper assessment. The video described the danger to a single B-29 falling out of the combined defensive gun protection of the box formation. Well, two B-29's falling out of the protection of the box formation isn't any better. Yes, war is cruel.

Wow what a story thank you for sharing this

Keep these coming. Amazing content

Great content, Keep up the great work!!!

Selfless heros. Thank you for sharing!

On November 24, 1944, the 244th Squadron, based at Chofu Airfield, was deployed to the Musashino air defense. During this time, the squadron leader, Major Fujita, and the veteran pilots were transferred, and second Lieutenant Kobayashi took command as the squadron leader. The most famous photograph is probably the 244th Squadron's Ki-61 (Hien) D-type No. 4424 (the squadron leader's aircraft), which is thought to have been taken around the end of December 1944. There are also many other photographs of pilots from the unit's special attack squadron. Unfortunately, due to the decline in pilot skills, poor manufacturing quality, and a lack of aircraft in the first place, they were unable to carry out sufficient interceptions like the one in the video. But they had no choice but to fight. They had families on the ground.

Best editing and visuals of our heros.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks :)

Im in history class playing this in my side tab and god I love this channel keep in the good work 💪😮‍💨

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Haha thank you!

this is a close third but my top two favorite air stories are "no bullets fly" which has a sabaton/yarnhub video/song, and when two B-17's collided mid air and were lodged together and made it safe to base while still conjoined.

coach coming out with another banger. W

TJ...I totally LOVE all your video's, but THIS might be the best EVAH!

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!!

At 6:56 that looks like old stock footage of Robert Morgan, the pilot of the Memphis Belle. He volunteered to fly B-29's over Japan after surviving his 25 missions in the B-17 over Europe and Germany.

There's a Waddy Wagon noise art in a aviation museum in Galveston tx I have a picture of it

You know its gonna be a good day when TJ uploads

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Wooo!

Masters of the Air needs a Pacific companion piece in the form of depicting B-29 crews. Come on Apple+ or HBO let's rack em up and knock em down! Btw TJ have you ever seen or even flown on Fifi the B-29?

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

I have been inside but never flown on it!

Second to Nunn.. behind Mark Felton 👍 I love this channel 😁

Beautiful B-29 ❤️

Hi Tj good luck on letters from war and pls make more B24 stories and more vids on the blodyhundreath

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! And I'll try :)

@ToroBoro-rh2ly

2 ай бұрын

Thank you😁@@TJ3

I thought The Dodgers were a baseball club? They were mentioned in the Becker Tv series as bein in New York? Nice 1 Waddy!

I read about this story years ago. I wonder why Miss 'Behavin just didn't continue out over the Pacific Ocean and ditch (possible air sea rescue?). Turning back to Japan and bailing out there? Not a very pleasant thought. Heroic? Yes. But the wrong decision. Nobody else dropped out of formation to do this. REPEAT..... NO ONE ELSE DROPPED OUT OF FORMATION. This not like throwing yourself on a grenade. This was a conscious decision by the Pilot in Charge (PIC). Bomber crews are not democracies...you might think "Oh WTF!!! What are we doing!" But don't voice it and hope for the best. We all have movies playing in our head where we are the 'Star'...it comes out alright cuz it has in the past. Lot to unpack on the nose art. It is after all WADDY'S WAGON. You are riding in Captain Walter "Waddy" Young wagon...... You are along for the ride...like it or not. FWIW I did 4 years USAF and my Father did 24 US Army. Salute! RIP! Excellent video. First Cass production.

Tyvm

Brave move but very foolish and a waste of lives.

I visited the War Birds museum in Nampa Idaho to tour war planes from ww1 through Korea. There was alot of history demonstrating the evolution of technology to see. What I came away with was our greatest leaps forward were designd to kill each other more efficiently. when we were done doing that, these same technologies made our lives easier. I wasn't aware of the impact that trip was going to have on me, I was only going to look at cool aircraft. 😢

THANK YOU SIRS!!!! YOU ARE IMAGES OF TEH LEVEL OF COURAGE THAT GAVE JAPAN ZERO CHANCE OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN DEFEAT!!!!

Waddy Young violated orders, exposed the rest of the group to increased danger by taking his fort out of the box, and got himself and his entire crew killed trying to protect another aircraft. Brave? Maybe, although he should have known perfectly well this was a pointless effort. Stupid? I'm pretty sure his crewmen and their families would think so. I heard a B-17 tail gunner say one time that nobody wanted to fly with the wannabe hero pilot, as they'd seen too many be killed, along with their crews. I think Waddy wanted to be a hero like he'd been in sports. End result? Another aircraft lost (and at this point we needed all the Superforts we could lay hands on) 10 more needlessly dead men, and an unknown amount of bombs not dropped on Japan. There's nothing to admire here, except his crew, who had no say in Waddy's grandstanding. Had he survived this stunt he almost certainly would have been in big trouble, and if any of his crew had been killed or injured he might have faced a court martial. Rule No. 1 was "stay in formation if at all possible". Period. Chiseled in stone, end of message. The crews all knew that falling out of formation when there were fighters around was a bad day, and normally nobody could help.

@Marty1833

2 ай бұрын

Plenty to admire. These guys put duty before self and all knew the risk but still continued to carry on with the mission. Plenty of documented cases of Soldiers disobeying orders and jumping on grenades to save others, medics running into open fields of fire trying to protect the wounded knowing they would most likely be KIA. Quite a few would receive the MoH. I mean unless you were there and can verify that all of his crew didn’t agree, how can you blast a man who died trying to protect one of his brothers in arms.

@Tempestzzzz

2 ай бұрын

@@Marty1833 Tricky situation. Some may have not wanted to do it...but you don't say anything and hope for the best....and when you land you look to join another crew. Bomber crews are not a Democracy. Heroic yes. But it was the wrong decision.

@rpm12091

2 ай бұрын

My father was in the 73rd. Bomb Wing. I knew about Waddys Wagon but never knew how it was lost

@Desertgunslinger11

Ай бұрын

Covered, Rangers. SEALs, and everything in between. Stop with your comments.

I'm reminded vaguely of an instance in Europe with B-17s where one tried or did help another heavily damaged B-17 to safety by basically carrying it on it's back. This being after bombs had already been dropped. Can't recall if it was somewhere here on YT or back on the OLD History Channel & my search attempts keep turning up unrelated results or the Charlie Brown//Stigler instance which is most certainly NOT it.

It was a brave and human thing to do. I would like to think everybody was in agreement when he dropped out of formation to help his buddy.

Love this channel. Unfortunately Waddy died because he was stupid. Brave though it was. He obviously violated orders.

TJ 3 History wow I have discovered a GEM on KZread‼️

Another great B-29 story! How are you able to recreate the nose art for the video?

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Had it custom made :)

Poor judgement.

this was explained in the movie 12 o'clock high

Lest We Forget

I've got an old water color painting similar to this story depicting b29s in a nighttime bombing raid over Tokyo its signed by the artist but not sure who It was or how much it's worth

One thing, American military aircraft have one roundel on the upper left wing and one on the lower right wing. They do not have roundels on both upper and lower wings. I see this all too often, I think this is caused by the animation algorithm causing mirror images on both wing surfaces.

@kudukilla

2 ай бұрын

Yes and no. Depends on what stage of the war.

All I can say is…bloody hell…

WoW id seen that photo of Waddys wagon hundreds of times and never knew they were all KIA :(

I wonder why they headed back towards Japan as there were American subs and ships off the coast to pick up downed flyers.

Idk why but the title reminds me of that time the B-17s flew on top of each other

Huh.. Im 6.3 and 220 lbs and I could sit in the P47 cockpit easy! They have a couple of display here you can pay a little bit and get to sit in them. Tons of room

The collision is a far more likely scenario. These planes were involved in terribly murderous missions shortly afterwards, so it is hard for one to get sad from the loss of these bombers. Perhaps thousands of people got to live thanks to the destruction of these two planes.

It’s called being .. human with empathy !

2007 Orange Bowl- University of Louisville, 24, Wake Forest University, 13. Good Times

My great grandfather had a cousin on the B29 that also dropped down he said to me from his cousin he said Never leave a man behide and thats what waddy did

@michaelmikelson2946

Ай бұрын

That also dropped down? Meaning.....?

Court martial offense? Pulling out of formation to cover a stricken bomber that far from base? Sad to say, poor judgement, however heroic.

rip

I wonder, we’re the radar guided turrets on the B-29, more effective than the manned turrets of the B-17s?

@bernardkroeger4045

2 ай бұрын

Amazing technology. No wonder the B29 cost so much to develop.😃

@samuelweir5985

2 ай бұрын

"Radar-guided turrets"? I don't think that those B-29 turrets were radar-guided. They were optically guided by crewmen on the B-29. Radar-guided guns like those on the B-52 came later.

He knew they would die and did not want his brothers to die alone.

Difference between being brave and killing the 10 guys that were depending on you.... just saying

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Yep - in hindsight, a questionable move. However, I also feel that Waddy wouldn't have done it if the rest of his crew was not in agreement.

Everyone saying it was stupid, I’m sure the crew knew that but tried regardless. That’s why it’s heroic, the crew chose to risk their lives for their friends. It ended up not working, and that’s why we’re criticizing them but I’m sure the crew knew that it probably wouldn’t have worked.

You gotta think he had the okay from all his crew mates before making that courageous decision.

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

I'd think so! But we will never know.

The title should read, "The Pilot Who tried to Save His Crippled Friend"

He killed his crew.

A bit off track here but weren't the Brooklyn Dodgers a baseball team?

@TJ3

2 ай бұрын

Yep. Haha

He seems to have chosen quite poorly.

i think waddy was into high risk high reward action.. lets be honest, if he had saved his friend and both returned safe back, this would have been a movie just like pearl harbour ... i can only imagine what such a movie would have been like... 2 boys growing up, becoming friends, saving each other in air fights and winning it for MERICAAAAAAA! 😅

@charlesanzalone5846

2 ай бұрын

That b29 on fire had no chance to return and to turn back to Japan was a bad idea

wut is it now? b-24 or b-29?

I have thought about this upload for a few days now.. This pic is a very famous pic and i have many books on nose art so have seen it many times...The one thing that really bugs-niggles me about this pilot is that his recklessness killed his entire crew... Theres a reason why they have formations,. At sea the ships never left the pack to pick up survivors for 1 reason and it was a good reason. any that did often needed rescuing themselves..yes i get its safer in numbers but 3000 miles away over sea was a stupid thing to do.. he trained as a fighter pilot and it seems that notion never left his mind, but when your in command of a bomber its not you and your plane... great pic and great upload as per TJ but this guy was stupid imho... although very brave to come back after his first tour, if id of been on his crew as the plane went down id of been curing him thats for sure...

Wanna hear something stupid? Before I got my glasses on, I thought the nose art was the cast of Dradon Ball Z.