"Self promotion" in the context of the video wasn't giving himself an increase in rank. It means he was putting himself forward and advertising his skills.

@gregoryparnell2775

Жыл бұрын

A form of Skiting about himself rather than Rob thinking he was promoting himself through the ranks.

@blueycarlton

Жыл бұрын

He complained to the London newspapers when they referred to British victories when it was an Australian victory and he wanted his men and himself rightly acknowledged. Nothing wrong with that. Perhaps Indie got his information from book by a British historian.

@robynmurray7421

Жыл бұрын

Possibly he was trying to set the record straight against those who wanted to discredit and undermine him. As well as anti-semitism, he would have also had to contend with British prejudice toward the "colonials".

@PiersDJackson

Жыл бұрын

@@blueycarlton an answer would be Indy is getting the majority of his research about Monash from C.E.W. Bean, who continually saw Monash as "not one of us"... considering Bean was seen as a "Damn Colonial" - but at least he's C of E.

@MRFlackAttack1

Жыл бұрын

Also know as “Backing yourself” something any good friend will tell you to do in Australia whenever you doubt yourself.

Monash's knighting stands out, usually when you're knight, you go to the monarch. But for Monarch, the king came to him, the first time in centuries someone had been knighted in the field of battle.

@brettevill9055

Жыл бұрын

It was a very strong statement from the King (and Lloyd George) to the British military establishment that they were going to support Monash (and Arthur Currie), and would not allow them to be passed over.

@seanlander9321

Жыл бұрын

Monash remains the only general knighted in the field for 300 years. The King was quite astute, he knew that Monash had a plan of attack while the British and French had a plan of defence. When the Spring Offensive happened it was the Australian forces and command that led, the British and French filled in behind while Australia captured more ground and artillery than any allied army of the war. Germany then proposed the Armistice and that was the end of the war.

@muddyboots007

5 ай бұрын

A long way from the field of battle. Twenty kilometres behind the lines. Even with his soldier suit that Mummy got him. The VC winner ,Albert Jacka later said "I can't believe that I stuck my neck out for such a pathetic little man ".

One aspect of Monash's leadership that is hardly ever mention is that not one Australian soldier was executed for cowardice or any other reason. He reasoned that all of the men there were volunteers who thought they could do the job when they signed up. The Australian army was the only army in WW1 to not deliberately kill any of its own personnel.

@geoffprice5357

Жыл бұрын

Never noticed that fact before...Thank you for pointing it out. I'll add to my list of reasons for his being appointed FM. God knows Tim Fischer tried hard enough!!

@seanlander9321

Жыл бұрын

Actually it was Australian law that it’s solders couldn’t be executed. Monash simply stood by the law. Australia was the only complete democracy to fight in WWI so there were bound to be significant differences in the level of civilisation with the Europeans who were still mostly feudal societies or substantially immature democracies.

Sir John Monash was the first commander to be knighted in the field (by a British monarch) in over 2 hundred years , He was also the first commander to use (what today is called combined arms warfare) , his planning skills and understanding of his soldiers gave him a great advantage in planning his battles , He was not willing to throw the lives of his soldiers away on pointless actions , he was once told by Gen Haig to do a attack (during daylight) which he replied "If god himself ask he would have to wait till nightfall"

The video was missing some of the post-war elements that also highlighted Monash's character. Post WWI, and after his retirement from the military, Monash still perceived he had a duty of care for the soldiers who served under him during the war. Suicide rates were high among veterans, and he worked to establish means to support these soldiers, even at a personal cost if necessary. i believe he was also the architect of the War Memorial in Melbourne, to commemorate those who had served their nation, and remembrance for those who had lost their lives in the conflict.

Monash was a genius, whose feats the British and Americans often took the credit for.

What a great Aussie this man was. He was one of the Generals who changed the face of war so much so that the Germans used his tactics soon after he defeated them at a battle for Le Hamel on the western front. His knowledge of all things warlike saw the first ever use of air, tank, infantry and artillery in a battle that was over in just over 90 minutes.. Sadly religious persecutionists had it in for him and some small minded fellow officers and a war correspondent named Keith Murdoch (guess whose father he was) got into the pocket of our the PM Billy Hughes and wanted Monash removed from the war. They got their arses kicked. You can also thank him for the resettlement of war affected soldiers which included farming and projects like the Great Ocean Road. Instrumental in settig up of the RSL and the wonderful Melbourne War Memorial Just about anything important in Melbourne has his name attached. Aussies owe this man heaps.

Monash's highly planned approach was in contrast to the earlier battles of the war, in which the only strategy seemed to be to line two sides up and run them at each other. One example is the Battle of Hamel, considered to be a turning point of the war. Monash had planned that the battle would be over in 90 minutes. It actually took 93 minutes. This battle was the first in which newly arrived American forces took part, so the first action of US forces outside of US soil was actually under an Australian commander. At the last minute, the US commander Pershing got wind if what was going on and ordered that the Americans should not take part in the battle, because he did not believe that the US troops, despite their inexperience, should serve with units from other countries. Monash defied the order, saying it was too late to change his plans and it was more important for the US and Australian soldiers to have confidence in each other, even if it meant one of the British generals being recalled. The battle went ahead, with only four US battalions (instead of 10) taking part. A couple of US soldiers disguised themselves in the uniform of an Australian regiment in an effort to go into battle with the Australians but they were discovered. Methods used in the Battle of Hamel were adopted in later battles of the war, but the Americans were never again allowed to go into battle as part of operations led by other countries' generals in World War I. The journalists Charles Bean and Keith Murdoch (father of Rupert) resented Monash, partly because he was Jewish, and campaigned to have Monash sacked as the Australian Commander but the Australian Prime Minister Billy Hughes went to the western front to talk to Monash and in the end supported him. The course of the war could have been very different if Monash and Hughes had not stood up to the US commanders and the media bullies. Thanks for this series. I have enjoyed it very much.

@RandomStuff-he7lu

Жыл бұрын

US forces weren't involved at Hamel, just ask them.

@mareky1234

Жыл бұрын

@@RandomStuff-he7lu Wrong Mate, very wrong. General Pershing simply disavowed the events and flushed them from history, simply because he didn’t get his way, and was shown up by someone who had a German Jewish background. Monash simply stood up for himself, and was branded a self promoter, as a means to bad mouth him even more.

@RandomStuff-he7lu

Жыл бұрын

@@mareky1234 So I'm wrong but also right?

@Bellas1717

Жыл бұрын

Sad that people didn’t stand up to the Murdoch son earlier in his life.

@robynmurray7421

Жыл бұрын

Correction. I should have said US companies, not battalions. Big mistake. Sorry.

I've never served in the military, but I'd think troops would need more faith in their immediate commanders (who are with them in the field) rather than generals in the strategic\tactical areas. My understanding is that Monash would rather scrap an action rather than pointlessly waste the lives of his troops (as a lot of the British generals did at the time). Seems to me he had faith in his plan and faith in his subordinate commanders and didn't want to micro manage in the field.

I live in the city of Monash, near a campus of Monash university, but it wasn’t until recently that I looked into his story in depth. He was a great mind and an amazing communicator, the troops and officers both respected him immensely. He was subject to a lot of anti-Jewish prejudice. We really need to teach our history better.

@goldboy150

Жыл бұрын

You probably drive on the Monash freeway frequently too.

@eclecticapoetica

Жыл бұрын

The M1 freeway - ‘M’ for Monash! 😂 My grandfather served in the medical corps in Egypt in www1

@neilgill1639

Жыл бұрын

I live in Monash and not far from the Uni and Freeway too. Rob, you have a few fans from the Monash area. Another interesting video. Oh yeah, his surname is pronounced MON-ash rather than MOAN-ash. Cheers, Neil

Charles Bean wasn’t the only anti-Semite. Sir Keith Murdoch (Rupert’s father) was against Sir John. To the point Australian PM Billy Hughes visited the battlefield to see what was going on and sack Monash. He came away reassured and the battle of Hamel went ahead. I prefer the History Guy’s take on it. He also was the founding chairman of the board of the State Electricity Commission which rolled out power across the state. He also was involved in the building of the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne.

@brasschick4214

Жыл бұрын

Oh he also was behind ANZAC day commemoration. This gives a better idea of his on-field achievements. Even those in the German high Command held his efforts in high regards even if they didn’t like it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/rIBkrKqJdJPbf84.html

@geoffprice5357

Жыл бұрын

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can make a decision on somebody's talent or worth based on colour or religion (or anything else)!!! Just crap!!

Hi Rob, here in Melbourne he has been honoured and immortalised by having in the south Eastern Suburbs a city council district, the 2nd largest university in victoria after Melbourne University, the largest major hospital in the South East, an ivf clinic and a freeway named in his honour. He also was placed in charge of the state electricial service to build the electricial infrastructure to all of Melbourne to power our homes, cheers Damien

@PiersDJackson

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget that he also sponsored the creation of the RSL and Legacy, also designed the Shrine of Remembrance.

Bernard Montgomery wrote of him stating " I would name Sir John Monash as the best general on the western front in Europe."

It would be interesting to see where the chap in the film sourced his information. John Monash designed the evacuation of Gallipolli, which was an amazing feat. You also need to understand the Sydney V Melbourne rivalry that existed at the time (still does in some quarters), Bean the artist along side Keith Murdoch (Rupert’s father) did everything they could to discredit Monash as he was from Melbourne and a Jew. Going so far as to try and get the Australian Prime Minister of the day Billy Hughes to recall him - they didn’t succeed. The other prejudice Monash had to fight was that he was given overall command of troops including British ones that also did him now favours as he then held a higher rank than some of the more well known British generals. If you want to know more Peter Fitzsimmons has written a couple of excellent books. Finally it was Sir John Monash who devised and developed the idea of a war memorial and the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne exists solely because of John Monash.

As the inventor of modern warfare John Monash would have been promoted to the highest rank in the millitary of Field Marshall but for the antisemitetic war correspondents Bean and Murdoch (Yes Rupert's dad) who actively campaigned against him. However there is now an active campaign by some individuals to have him awarded this title posthumously.

He had absolute trust in his unit commanders, they trusted an so forth down the line. He should have been given the title of Field Marshall ( Australia's first) before his death but it went to a sadly lacking fool like Blamey, who was one of his "clerks" ,at best, during the Great War. It makes me bloody angry in case you didn't notice.

Put it in easier terms, he was the best of the best football coaches. His tactics are still studied in military schools in the western world and you could say it was the basis of the blitzkrieg tactics the Germans used in the second world war.

@SH-qs7ee

Жыл бұрын

He is the Grandfather of Modern Warfare, not just in combined arms and mechanized warfare, but the importance of things like administration and planning, keeping the soldiers under you as protected as possible.

John Monash introduced the creeping/rolling barrage a slowly moving artillery attack acting as a defensive curtain for infantry following closely behind. This was used as a way to bypass the problems of trench warfare. Up until then you had the BS full frontal attacks across open ground. He also introduced machine gun cross fire across battle fields. He was also responsible for the use of forward scouting enemy positions, movements etc. His tactic saves countless lives and changed the art of war, and whether people like it or not his tactics shorten the war. The city of Monash in France, set on the grounds of the Villers-Bretonneux Military Cemetery in northern France, and adjacent to the Australian National Memorial, the Sir John Monash Centre is the hub of the Australian Remembrance Trail along the Western Front, and establishes a lasting international legacy of Australia's Centenary of Anzac 2014-2018. John Monash, was a compassionate leader, he cared in war and peace for his men who came from every state and territory of Australia. He planned and won the innovative Battle of Hamel and then in the highly successful Battle of Amiens on 8 Aug 1918 (0808), this Australians turned the tide of WW1 impacting the outcome of the War bringing it to an end in 3 months, far earlier than anyone expected. You could not have selected a more biased review. Typical Yankie sour grapes. Rob if you want to learn about the Anglo-Boer war watch the film, Breaker Morant (film) The second Anglo-Boer war and the almost criminal treatment of this Aussie digger by the British command. He was made the scape-goat and held legally or morally responsible for war crimes, even though he was only following orders. This saga is still being looked at today.

@mickthefisherman1562

Жыл бұрын

Well said mate.

@xkimopye

Жыл бұрын

He also made the creeping/rolling barrage of slowly moving vehicles on his freeway.

Who'd have thought that being a General, could involve more than the possession of an "old school tie"?

I've been waiting for this one the most Rob. I have also seen the video you're reacting to before. Self promotion as in talking himself up to gain a promotion... nothing wrong with that. Scrapping plans that he wasn't 100% confidant in so it didn't cause unnecessary loss of life... definitely nothing wrong with that. An absolute hero in my eyes. Thanks for an amazing series Rob.

Don't worry Rob, when you come to Melbourne you'll soon learn how to say Monash correctly....... His name is EVERYWHERE in Melbourne

After the war in 1920 he became head of the Victorian state electricity commission the state government owned electricity generator and network operator when it started expanding across the state to rural areas. There is also Monash University, Monash Freeway and Monash city council all named after him.

@ladylynnmaree

Жыл бұрын

Monash Hospitals

If Monash was in charge of Galipolli it probably would not have been a failure. As far as leadership goes. The soldiers HAD leadership in the field. They had their Corporal, Sergeant WO2 Captain and Major not far behind. Each of those guys would have different levels of responsibility. As the General in charge he would be responsible for All areas of the battle and needs to stay where he can control the entire field. Changing a plan at the last minute shows confidence and respect for the lives of his men. Too many Generals would push on in the eyes of defeat because they didn't have the balls or confidence to back down if things changed and sent their men to get slaughtered because they couldn't admit their plan would fail.

@SpeedyCM

Жыл бұрын

If he was in charge of Gallipoli the Gallipoli landings would never have occurred.

@brettevill9055

Жыл бұрын

@@SpeedyCM Or there would have been landings in February to co-ordinate with Churchill's naval assault (which Churchill asked for but which Kitchener refused).

In WW2 the Germans copied Monash's battle tactics and called it Blitzkrieg. Monash had the loyalty of his men and he did everything he could to ensure their welfare especially after the war. In my opinion he was the best military commander of World War1.

Not Moanash. The guy on the video says it correctly. One of the great military leaders of WW1 who has been greatly overlooked.

@linmonash1244

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Boer War was in South Africa 1899-1902. A movie with Edward Woodward called Breaker Morant (1980) is set in this conflict, check it out.

@shenysys

Жыл бұрын

Technically it was the Second Boer War.

When he said self promotion he was talking about Monash talking himself up to the press.

Monash's basic battle plan was to 1. conduct the buildup of resources without alerting the enemy, so as to enjoy surprise. 2. employ as much mechanical assistance as possible (artillery, aircraft, tanks). 3. confuse the enemy as to exactly where the main attack is taking place. 4. mop up with troops, and hold the ground. Not for him the professional soldier's approach of "Over the top, lads, and Good Luck" that saw battles lasting days and casualty lists in the tens of thousands. Monash's planning saw ammunition brought forward to planned positions or dropped from aircraft so the troops could advance with as little weight to carry as possible. Under no circumstances were troops to advance any further than the pre-determined line, as some previous successful attacks had been cut to pieces when deep in enemy territory. His plan at Hamel was a 90 minute plan. On the day, it was achieved in 93 minutes, with "miraculously" light casualties. Here is a man who changed the way war was fought. He broke the bloody stalemate on the Somme, and showed that victory was possible without killing everyone. The Canadian Currie was a quick learner and a dedicated proponent. From then on, attacks followed a "Monash Plan", and WW1 was wrapped up in short order, despite increased numbers of enemy troops arriving from the collapsed Eastern Front. A great general? ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY!!

@flamingfrancis

Жыл бұрын

Greg...as part of his thorough planning he even thought to arrange for hot meals to be dropped in when needed. The Germans made use of his tactics and their Blitzkreig of WW2 is based on Hamel.

@ironside210

Жыл бұрын

@@flamingfrancis Thanks, Frank. Yes I was aware of both your points, but I was flirting with losing my reader through a surfeit of verbiage. FYI, Montgomery, noted himself for fastidious planning (Arnhem excepted), nominated Monash as the best General of WW1. The book "Monash's Masterpiece" is a great read.

Greatest ever Australian, who didnt get the recognition he deserved at the time due to the anti-Semitic sentiments of official war historian Charles Bean and press baron Keith Murdoch. Was more responsible for breaking the deadlock of the western front and stopping the German spring offensive of 1918 at Villiers-Bretonneux and helping win WW1 than probably any other individual. was also hugely involved in the formation of the RSL in australia and the building of the Melbourne war memorial.

@m_mitch

Жыл бұрын

When you mix politics with science or history all it produces is politics. Keith Murdoch was a reporter for The Age, not some newspaper baron. He also supplied the truth about Gallipoli to the Australian Government. If he was antisemitic, he was wrong but most socialists are antisemitic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Murdoch

@nunya2171

Жыл бұрын

@@m_mitch he actually didnt really supply the whole truth about the gallipoli campaign, it was largely done by a British journalist but his letters were intercepted and he was basically silenced by the british military, Murdoch then restated alot of the information and claimed it as his own. You're also referencing wikipedia, which is not a reliable source and I never stated he was a newspaper baron at the time, but he did become one, and therefore was one. what has socialism got to do with any of this? who is or has called anyone a socialist? or was that your poor attempt at an insult as I am not one, nor was anyone else referenced. I am an academic and scientist myself, my information comes from research, books, letters and hard copy sources, yours comes from wikipedia.

@nunya2171

Жыл бұрын

@@m_mitch I also never once mentioned politics or politicians, neither Bean or Murdoch were politicians. To his credit the only politician involved in this was PM Billy Hughes who Bean and Murdoch tried to convince to get rid of Monash and when he found out the actual reality of the situation ignored them and had enormous respect for Monash.

@robynmurray7421

Жыл бұрын

@@m_mitch Keith Murdoch later bought the Adelaide Advertiser and handed it on to his son, Rupert, who used it as the springboard for his media empire. So Keith Murdoch did become a media baron, though he wasn't one at the time of WWI.

Thanks mate, Sir John Monash was known for his methodical approach to all aspects of a battle, he planned down to the finest detail how he expected the battle to progress and the outcome he wanted, and as said if it could not be shown to work the idea was scraped. This above all gave confidence to his soldiers as they had the past experience of being regarded as cannon fodder by the previous British Commanders they had to serve under.. Once he took over command of the ANZAC forces he proved his theory worked and that is why he became so loved by his men the confidence in him. Ty for the reaction to this great if flawed man who like many did crave the limelight but also earned the praise he did receive. Keep Safe Keep Strong 🦘🦘🦘🦘

Lol so funny to see you wince at his pronunciation of Melbourne. Now you know how we all feel. You tend to just eye roll, shrug your shoulders & go "myeh" 😂

@johnd8892

Жыл бұрын

He corrected Melbourne but puts in his own Moan ash.

@robertclothier3597

Жыл бұрын

@@johnd8892 lol yeah we all noticed that but others had already corrected him

A Leader can only be in one place /position at a time where as a great Leader will choose superior 'sub' leaders placed in the right ( correct) multiple positions to carry out the proposed plan to far better advantage

It seems like Monash was more intellectual, and he knew his own weaknesses, he knew his officers would do a better job than he could actually leading troops on the front lines. I've got to say, I didn't know much about Monash, I just knew that he was knighted, and we have a University named after him. Australia has always punched above our weight in military matters, it's one of the things we're most proud of.

I use to remember on the very first Twenty Dollar bill was Sir Charles Kingsford Smith which for some reason wasn't continued when the Polymer notes were introduced. Can you please do a series on the old Aussie Dollar notes as well?

@robynmurray7421

Жыл бұрын

Some I remember on the "old money" were aviator Kingsford Smith, inventor Lawrence Hargrave, the despicable John Macarthur (enriched himsel as part of a corrupt colonial military Corps, tried to overthrow the government of the colony and gets credit for his wife's work), Henry Lawson, Antarctic explorer Douglas Mawson and Caroline Chisholm. Maybe Howard Florey and Joseph Banks? There is a whole gaggle of people who have been on the 50c piece as it is used as a commemorative coin for special occasions.

“Self promotion” in this context could be equated with “pumping up your own tyres”.

its a shame it did not cover the funeral of john monash a lot. It was bigger than Dame Melba. Also his birthplace is across the road from Flagstaff Gardens. The house is currently used as a brothel.

Oh dear Rob , great series but it is Mon ash not Moanash

he also ran the State Electricity Commission in Victoria after WW1.

Men like Monash would shine in any war. He would use current technology as he did in the First World War.

The City of Monash is a local government area in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia in the south-eastern suburbs of Melbourne with an area of 81.5 square kilometres and a population of more than 205,000 people. The City of Monash is 20km southeast of Melbourne and contains all or part of 14 suburbs. The City's landmarks, within its borders, include Monash University, Monash Medical Centre [MMC is a 640-bed teaching and research hospital of international standing providing a comprehensive range of specialist surgical, medical, and allied health services], the Victorian Police Academy, the Australian Synchrotron and Jells Park. The City of Monash is named after World War I commander Sir John Monash. Monash University was established 1958 and is Melbourne's second university. The City of Monash was created on 15 December 1994 when the state government amalgamated local councils all over Victoria. After World War 1, Monash returned to his engineering business. He became restless and sought a public role, eventually becoming Chairman of the State Electricity Commission as it began to mine coal and generate electricity from Victorian sources. In the 1920s, Monash was a revered public figure. He enjoyed the status and responsibility his career brought him. General Monash led many ANZAC parades and was the driving force behind the building of the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne. Monash lectured at the University of Melbourne and was its vice-chancellor for two years from 1923. Monash became the President of the Australian Association for the Advancement of Science. He was also President of the Victorian Institute of Engineers and active in the Boy Scout movement. www.monash.vic.gov.au/files/assets/public/about-us/documents/sir-john-monash.pdf

Self promoting yourself ie. publicising your own deeds, actions etc., not promoting yourself through through military ranks (ie. 'think I'm make myself a brigadier general today').

Monash thought out how to use Artillery, aircraft, and tanks together in an attack. (Blitz Kreig) He resupplied the troops by supplies being dropped from aircraft first time ever. Rawlings Did not do it. George V told both leaders Rawlings and Haig to give Monash anything h wanted. george V and Monash often dined together.

G'day Rob. The PM Billy Hughes was a smart man he went and spoke to same of the British generals and arks them what they thought about Monash and his abilities. They all spoke very high of Monash. Billy then went and sore Monash and was impressed by his plans for the Battle of Hamel. Hughes then went on to say that back in Australia people were sick of war and decreasing number of enlistments. As well with the failed conscription referendum of 1916 & 1917 that we can not have any more heavy losses and that he intention were to pull Australia out of war in early 1919. Monash replied that he was sure that the Battle of Hamel would be a successful and with minimal losses. Billy Hughes then gave Monash the go a head with his full support. That put an end to Bean's and Murdoch,s scheming. So Monash did a good job in convincing Hughes who had the weight of the nation on his mind that the Battle of Hamel was the right move. I do not support Charles Bean's veiws about Monash but I must say he was the Voice of the Aussie Diggers in the trenchers and that the truth of what was going on got back to Australia. This is what helped lead to the end of Gallipoli and the Australian Army Core being commander by an Aussie even if he did not like that it was Monash who was given the command. Bean was also wounded when on the front line as a journalists and then went back there again. Three men all doing there duty for Australia.

There's a reason this esteemed legend is on this bank note. Look out if anyone ever dares to change that.

The biggest difference Monash made to Australian's on the Western Front was, although losses remained high because of the industrialization of war, at least through meticulous planning, they won the battles. There was a lot less going back over the same ground the following week to lose the same numbers of men again. Monash and Currie invented combined arms warfare, making all the difference.

The General: I basically idolise this bloke. Also why is it so hard for Americans to pronounce Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra but the British have no problems with it and gets it. It's like an English barrier. 😂

@marieravening927

Жыл бұрын

It's because a lot of these names came from the British. I notice place names like Cheltenham are pronounced Chelten hm in Oz, as in the UK, whereas Americans say Chelten ham. Americans tend to pronounce some names as they are written. They also tend to put the accent on the wrong syllable.

@AWF1000

Жыл бұрын

@@marieravening927 yeah I was thinking it might have something to do with our convict settlement era and the British empire relationship.

@ceevio_art

Жыл бұрын

Its amazing how the French don't get upset at the rest of the world mispronouncing the name of their capital city too! But its funny.. you never hear a Frenchman moaning: "Its pronounced "Par-EE", not "PARIS". PAr-EE! Par-EE!". That's because the French don't actually CARE! They are not so pathetically insecure about such things. They know what their city is called, and they don't give a shit if everyone else says it wrong. They don't suffer from a cultural cringe like so many Australians obviously still do. And Americans don't get all upset when the rest of the world calls their Louisiana city "New or-LEANS" even though its correctly pronounced "NyAW-lins" In other words.. get over it.

The 4th brigade started landing on Gallipoli about 530 - 600 pm on the 25th April and continued throughout the night. Monash learned the hard way at Gallipoli what happens when attacks are not properly planned they get slaughtered. The 4th brigade attacks on dead man's Ridge on the second day and sari bair during the august offensive taught him to plan properly.

the "inventor" of modern tank warfare

Hi Rob, Monash is pronounced as it is spelled, not "Moanash". When they refer to him as "self promoting", I think they mean that he pushed his ideas ahead of others, rather than literally promoting his own rank in the military.

SIR JOHN MONASH!

Those poor ANZACS needed Monash at Gallipoli....they got Hamilton instead.

@flamingfrancis

Жыл бұрын

He would have had the ability to land at the correct landing place at least.

That’s not what he meant Rob. Self promotion just means talking yourself up.

First time really hearing about him, not just a name. My Dad was a history teacher, my mum German she moved to the UK after marriage to my dad at 21yrs, she learnt English fluently written and spoken, she even changed her accent to English. I don't think the accent was deliberate she just picked it up. It would have been good to have had my dad knowledge on this, but he's passed on. Thank you enjoyed the journey. 😊❤👏

Gotta laugh at how you corrected the pronunciation of Melbourne but never fixed your pronuciation of Monash *grin* Great video, that's a great channel, I've seen quite a few of their vids. And what a giant of a man Monash was! He taught the world how to fight with tanks, treated his men as men, not cannon fodder, and then ensured they weren't forgotten when they returned home (having fought to speed up their return, as mentioned briefly in the video). He ensured they had work, and care, and fought for the Shrine of Remembrance to be built in Melbourne (which is on the note with him). He was also instrumental in ANZAC Day becoming an annual commemmoration, when people were trying to put the war behind them and forget about it. He has a number of things named after him to this day: Monash Hospital, Monash University and Monash Freeway just to name 3. After the war he went back to engineering, becoming the head of the State Electricity Commission in Victoria.

Boer wars were in South Africa against the Dutch descended Afrikaners who colonized there but hadn't accepted British rule, its actually an interesting set of conflicts.

@gregoryparnell2775

Жыл бұрын

My great grandfather died in the Boer war in 1900 & lays in a war grave in Pretoria with his last name misspelled .

Monash"s contributions in WW1 cannot be overlooked - the Armistice would not have happened when it did without his planning and leadership.

Every time Rob corrected the narrator for saying Mel-bourne to Mel-bin I would correct rob for calling him Mo-nash instead of Mon-ash.

@al6491

Жыл бұрын

Agree - Moanash seems a little Pommy!!

Not sure if the Aussie Mint intentionally paired Sir John Monash and Dame Nellie Melba on the AUD100 note, but i like to think they had the sense of humour to do so. Monash and Melba were close friends as young adults in Melbourne and shared a bed in London during the War. They now share the $100 note! Monash had an enormous impact on the development of the State of Victoria and was an inspiration to many. Civil Engineer, Monash University Graduate

Thank you Rob for taking the time to do this. I learnt a lot of stuff I didn't know, very enjoyable. What are you going to do next.

One very important aspect of Australian, and I believe also New Zealand armies of Boer WWI and WW II, is they were all fully volunteer, quite a few under-age and under their volunteer status free to walk off the battle without charges. If the horrors of battle and battle fatigue caused them to want out, they were free to leave. A portion did change their mind and want to leave the horror they faced, on the whole these volunteers fought better than many soldiers of other nations forced into service. Sadly many were put serving under other nations and especially British senior officers and not insignificant numbers got unjustly executed under other nation's military rules for desertion.

@blueycarlton

Жыл бұрын

The Australian Army because what happened in the Boer War, was the only Allied army which did not have the death penalty. This situation seemed to upset the British brass somewhat.

@nevillescott3658

Жыл бұрын

nope, that never happened

On the battlefield you want A leader.... your Sargeant, Lieutenant, Captain... you do NOT want your General. Your general is there to do planning and supply and backup... not to fight with you. He's there to give you all the tools you need to win and have the confidence in you, the soldier, to do the job. In other words your General is there for strategy... your lower officers are there for tactics... everyone having the trust and confidence up and down that tree in the other ranks to complete the mission.

@kristinehayes4885

Жыл бұрын

You left out the Corporal.

Monash planned to maximise impact on the enemy and minimise to impact on his troops. He was unwilling to compromise on the lives of his men. Hence scrapping plans which would not guarantee that in outcome. One of the reasons he was so popular with his men.

There is also a University named after him: Monash University

@Streetw1s3r

Жыл бұрын

Also the Monash City Council.

@janined5784

Жыл бұрын

...and Monash Medical Centre in, you guessed it, "Melbin".

General SIR John Monash.

you are holding the best bank notes in the world

The book... Monash, is well worth a read.

Aah you've discovered Indy Neidell. Indy's Great War Channel is bingeworthy, as is his ww2 channel. Both series follow events as they happened week by week, plus extra specials relating to the subject such as war against humanity, spies, and in depth research into certain events. ANZACS get a generous mention for their contributions. One of my favourite channels. Thanks too for your Aussie note series Rob, I have learnt a lot.

@stephencollins1568

Жыл бұрын

Indy Neidell's WWI series is a good product and very watchable, but Neidell is no historian - he is merely an actor hired for the role of presenter - (see his Wikipedia entry). The History Guy's episode on Monash is far better done and less biased against Monash and his orchestration of the battles at Hamel and Amiens. Blackjack Pershing didn't want the Americans to enter the field of battle until 1919 - by which time, thanks to Monash and the troops and tactics under his command, the war had fortunately ended.

Monash's skills were such the higher he rose the more effective he was. By self promotion they don't mean in the military/job sense they mean it as talking oneself up, marketing etc.

'The History Chap' gives an entertaining and informative insight into the Boer War. The movie 'Breaker Morant' is a brilliant movie which gives an Australian perspective on the Boer War. Winston Churchill was made a scapegoat for the Gallipoli campaign. His strategy to open another front through the Black Sea was sound but the execution of the campaign was flawed due to a number of crucial factors which were not fully under his control.

His original surname was "Monasch". His father changed it I guess to remove the Germanic implication. His family were Jewish in Prussia, mid 19th Century. Sadly, he was subject to anti-Semitic efforts by Rupert Murdoch's father, Kieth Murdoch, and the official war historian, Charles Bean.

@linmonash1244

Жыл бұрын

The family name: Monasche comes from Russia to Portugal, and from there branches out variously into Europe: primarily Germany, Holland and the UK. In Germany it was commonly spelt as above, in The Netherlands it became primarily Monas, whilst the Anglicized version is Monash.

@anEyePhil

Жыл бұрын

@@linmonash1244 Thank you, very useful.

he provided models of the trenches and enemy so that his troops could study the battlefield before engaging

@kristinehayes4885

Жыл бұрын

Yes he was the first to do that and these days it's called a "mud map" and is part of the Orders Group (detailed planning of an Op) from a Section level up.

@nickmaguire4914

Жыл бұрын

@@kristinehayes4885 part of the briefings he initiated right down to the diggers so they understood the action and how their roles fitted in. They became virtually autonomous when the action was under way because they fought in line with the overarching objectives as comms were so slow in those days. As you say still in place now. Best Practice way ahead of it's time.

Really appreciate the knowledge this series allows us. I'm sad to say I didn't know much of it and I'm aussie. Now I do

I'm glad you based your research on the video by the Great War channel. A great channel I subscribe to and I have seen this video before. I'm a keen historian. Cheers

I have loved the videos you have made from our bank note characters, thank you. 👏 I find as I get older I’m more interested in history than I ever was at school (not that we got taught anything about any of these people at my school)

@Bellas1717

Жыл бұрын

Yes, colonialism shaped much of our history syllabuses. There was a stronger emphasis on British and European involvement in the wars than ours.

Awesome man, what I like is he consistently put the safety of his troops as a major part of his plans/strategies, in that first major battle he led he was able to give his troops a hot meal at lunch time (in the middle of an offensive!) and obtained his objectives about 5 minutes (I think), ahead of the estimated time, in battle this is rare, everything went according to plan and I am unsure now but I think his troops suffered either no casualties or extremely low. It is interesting reading about the German troops opinions of Aussie troops from WWI, Aussie's had quite a reputation with them and to be honest I am not sure at times if I am proud or not of their actions but is was war so.... Anyway good series learnt some stuff I didn't know and rebooted some stuff I had forgotten. I hope you have a BBQ in a park in Adelaide when you come (Weather permitting), the city is surrounded with green parks or maybe Belair National Park (near foothills). Cheers from another Rob.

A very complex man in his private life. Brilliant, brilliant man.

In one of Dan Calin's hardcore history podcasts he talks about Roman soldiers where half soldiers and half builders. Making forts and seige equipment overnight. And then for almost 1,500 years cavalry dominated. Most of the British senior staff had had a career dominated by cavalry. But even if they didn't understand how to use the modern technology they saw someone like Monash and promoted his career. Despite the backstabbing by war correspondents Charles Bean and Keith Murdoch (Rupert's father )

@jennifergawne3002

Жыл бұрын

Lord Haig (some call him the butcher of the Somme for throwing human bodies into the mud to try to fight) loved cavalry and insisted Monash include cavalry at Hamel (I think). Monash liked horses as well as people and tucked the cavalry in a spot where they would not be harmed

Another great video a great man l still think all people that served in the war to give us freedom are hero's

Monash is a hero with what he did in Western front. Before he took over we were led by the English Generals

@raymondhorvath2406

Жыл бұрын

Until Monash took over the Australian core in 1918 the ANZACS did not get a lot of credit. He was trying to get the world to understand our emergency sacrifice most of allied army. Before Monash ever time the ANZACS did well it was either portraid as Britsh force or Allied troops very rarely as ANZAC. Even the German Rommel wrote about the ANZACS troops in WW1 and the Germans gave us credit.

self promotion isn't promoting yourself to a higher rank, self promotion is talking yourself up to others.

Loved the pronunciation corrections 😆😆😆

@ceevio_art

Жыл бұрын

.. and his persistence in saying "MOAN-ash" at the same time he's correcting the guy for saying "Mel-BORN". The irony.

@Bellas1717

Жыл бұрын

@@ceevio_art haha, yes, but to be fair, this was his first introduction to Monash, that's the way they said it in the video, and we hadn't corrected it before: mon not moan

By self-promotion, they mean he backed himself and put forward his abilities. It doesn't mean that he awarded himself promotions to Generalship

When you are fighting for a King who is not on the battlefield then having your commander also absent is not that hard to take.

he also founded a university named after himself

Speaking of German linage and being suspected, so much so that my family members that served change their name so loyalty wasn't put into question.

Ah Indi Neidell, love his stuff.

Gallipoli happened during WW1.on the Turkey coast.

The british landings were a nightmare at Gallipolli while the Australian landings actually went well if not a bit unorganised because of where they landed slightly off course resulting in few casualties at first and troops being able to move up in to the heights. If they had landed where they were supposed to then they would have been slaughtered just as the english were. Upon realising that the english were going nowhere the turks focussed on stopping the Anzacs and once this happened the rest of the campaign was one failure after the next until the most successful part of the campaign which was leaving.

The Boer War was fought in South Africa against the Dutch.

In South Australia there is a town called Monash, named after John Monash. It used to have The Best playground years ago, sadly now it has a safe and boring one instead.

Correction about Gallipoli: It was not the fault of Winston Churchill that things went badly, it was the British leadership as a whole that did not know how to keep a secret. Information warfare was another thing in it's infancy around that time. Because of that and how long it takes to prepare for something that large, the Turkish forces had time to get ready as well. If they had been able to keep the secret from the axis powers, then Winston's plan for Gallipoli would have been a master stroke that could have won the war.

@peterhoz

Жыл бұрын

The poms landed the ANZACs on the wrong beach! At the bottom of a cliff, with water too deep for them to land properly.

@Ishlacorrin

Жыл бұрын

@@peterhoz Which still would not have been a problem IF the enemy did not even know there were there or coming. They were focused on the other side of their country and not even their country till they heard about the British plans.

@brettevill9055

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Churchill saw that the only way to keep Russia on its feet was to force a passage of the Dardanelles and bring British and French troops and supply in to Sevastopol. He made a plan to send a flotilla of battleships up the Hellespont and land a division or two on the Gallipoli peninsula, which at the time was undefended. Kitchener refused to allow any troops to be used. Churchill tried with battleships alone (in February 1915) and very nearly pulled it off. But not quite. The Turkish government took a great fright and sent a lot of troops and their best young general to Gallipoli. Six weeks later the British government saw that the only way to keep Russia on its feet was to force a passage of the Dardanelles and bring British and French troops and supply in to Sevastopol. So they tried again nine weeks after the first failure. The details of execution got cocked up too, but basically the problem was that the peninsula was now defended. Then Cabinet told Churchill he had to take the blame in the Press so as not to undermine public confidence. He resigned from Cabinet and went to the Western Front as, I think, an infantry officer.

Lt Gen Birdwood was liked by the Aussie troops and given the nickname of Birdy.

Thank you for getting 'Melbourne' right.

No no no, self promotion doesn't mean he promoted himself in military rank itmeans he continued to show his superior skills where required in the field

Rob, it's pronounced Monash (mon as in con). That said, we've really enjoyed this little series and have learned one or two things about these great Aussies. Thanks Rob

@RobReacts1

Жыл бұрын

I think the way Melbourne was pronounced is worse than my pronunciation of Monash 😎 glad you enjoyed it

@mareky1234

Жыл бұрын

@@RobReacts1 When you consider that you’re a Pom. And tradition is after all tradition. It then makes sense that we at least try and find something to nit pick. We would be falling down at our end if we didn’t🧐😉. To many videos follow the party line of the day, saying and repeating that he was a self promoter (talked himself up), but as we learned, it’s one of the few ways available to him, to fight anti Jewish and anti German sentiments. Don’t forget. The king doesn’t travel to France on a whim.. It’s even been said that the king wanted Monash in charge and to sack Haig. But your PM talked him out of it. Due in a great part to Monash’s planning, Aussies captured a much larger proportion of equipment, soldiers , and land than anyone else.

Incredible, he saved so many Australian soldiers from the disrespect and disuse of English commanders! Restless intelligence, quick boredom, like my father, I get it! Napoleon Bonaparte was a similar character, but he became too ambitious and believed his own hype! Australians usually keep their leaders "honest"! 👍😊👋

Monash's letters home have been released and the profound impact of losing so many men saddened him deeply... there had to be a better way. Mastery of detail: Successful leadership calls for mastery of the details of the leader's position... When his men went forward, every artillery shell from behind in support of the advancing troops was plotted so that they knew where to find cover in the shell hole. And this was repeated during the momentum to overcome the German forces. Resupply of ammunition by aircraft could also be performed accurately. Cooperation: the successful leader must understand and apply the principle of cooperative effort and be able to induce his or her followers to do the same. Leadership calls for power, and power calls for cooperation... Monash combined aircraft, tanks, artillery, and infantry to work together as a 'well oiled machine'. The spirit of cooperation amongst the democracies was the decisive factor for success on the battlefield: France, the British Empire and her Dominions, and the USA. Yes he was ambitious, to be a General you have to be ambitious. It was selfless ambition, he wanted recognition for his men's achievements. Just like any other General.

So, in effect, just a military tactician. Since he only rarely visited the front line. It's understandable why he didn't spend time on the front line.

A General has to have great logistical & strategic powers...but he should also be on the field occasionally, even if just to boost morale...Interesting life story...

@nickmaguire4914

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The first thing Monash did on the Western Front was to set up his HQ far, far closer to the front lines than the English commanders did at far more risk. What he wanted was information that was still current not out of date by the time it was received. He did visit his troops so I'm not sure what the reference was for that comment in the video or the context.

@davidjohnpaul7558

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@@nickmaguire4914 Sometimes these videos are not 100% factual. I can't say I know much about him...

My great, great grandfather fought in the Boer War in 1901 in South Africa against the Africaans (Dutch). I have his medals and enlistment and discharge papers