Very great for keeping time, when it comes to customers infected by capstone logistics!

@Agbahizzal

3 жыл бұрын

Met them for the first time yesterday. Painful.

@Joe_334

3 жыл бұрын

@@Agbahizzal before the change to the HOS. They ran me all the way down to when my 14 hour ran out. I had to go at least 3 mph, to avoid drive time to get to their provided parking. Now of they come into the picture again, that time freezes after three hours!

@MrJshsedgwick

3 жыл бұрын

TW logistics is worse. Both are expensive.

Thank you very much for explaining that! I’m an independent and I don’t have too many people helping me out like that. I appreciate it have a great day.

OMG that dam owner operator. Stoping along his route to have lunch with friends! LOL

Can someone dummy it down for me.

Between this video and reading the comments I think my 🧠 just been put out of service lol guess ill stick to the basics

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@Collin Lutz It also is beneficial for those OTR or regional drivers who may get tired during your shift and want to stop for a rest period and not eat into your work day clock.

Finally a simple and accurate explanation, thanks.

Thanks for the explanation. Much appreciated. God Bless.

Awesome. Thanks. I'm not crazy. My elog are just coded badly. I did an 8/2, came on duty after an 8, drove for 3, then took a 2.5hr break, then drove another 3 and took another .5hr break (because I'm paranoid). Finally another 3hrs, and stopped for a 10. Elogs says I violated. This is why I'm not worried about robots taking over. You hit the start button, and you've programmed it to be a global security force, it's going to knit you the galaxy's biggest ball of yarn.

@EVNL576

2 жыл бұрын

Impossible, you only drove 9 hours, there's no violations there.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@@EVNL576 It's possible to have violated the 14hr rule if those 8hrs were NOT logged in Sleeper Berth. If you logged them as Off-Duty in lieu of SB the 14hr clock would not pause and would violate the 14hr rule.

I want to be able to do 5/5 again, it was handy when all you needed was a nap in those days where you're just freaking tired.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

You can do a 5/7 and be perfectly legal as long as the longer duration is logged in Sleeper Berth.

This is AWESOME!!!!!!! Thanks 👍

I pause the clock almost every time I drive and go to the sleeper for 10 hours at the end of the day to start a fresh 14.

That’s the best they can simplify this.

Great for working at night. BTW do I need a minimum amount of hours driven for split sleeper to become available, some places take about 4 hours to load.

@ronaldjohnson7962

3 жыл бұрын

Your clock will stop when you off duty for at least 2 hours.

I sorry but still cannot understand what you are saying, this is my first sleep split. Today I slept for 8 hours and drove 7 hours and I went Off Duty for 2 hours and my Shift clock is still ticking, does Shift clock must pause when I go Off Duty?

@Freddie206

3 жыл бұрын

Have you pressed the button show split hours? If you take 2 or 3 hours off check the show split hours

What if I drive my full 11 hours,but I have 3 hrs left of my 14 clock . How many hours will I gain back if go into sleeper berth?

I wished this would be like it has been explained but I just found in the FMCSA website a Q&A pdf and it says that "when used together" none of the periods count against the 14 hr window. If together means consecutively then we are out of luck and cant stop our clock.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is contradictory to the new Split Sleeper Berth Rule. The combinations of rest pairings must equal 10hrs or more, the greater rest period has to be logged in the sleeper berth, and the combination of drive time and on-duty time before and after any break cannot violate the 14hr and driving rules. It truly is designed to just pause the 14hr clock and allow a fatigued driver the opportunity to rest without getting penalized by eating into their work day (14hr) clock.

Where in the FMCSA green book does it say word for word that you can pause your 14 hour window for up to 3 hours if you are off duty or sleeper for at leat two hours. Like what part and or sub part because the company im driving for says they never heard of that.

@JosephArata

5 ай бұрын

It's in there in the Hours Of Service section. They "don't know about it" because they don't want you making a bunch of extra money running your clock to work around bozo shippers/receivers.

I do not understand this

Hard to pause a button when your a oversized load hauler

HELP! I tried that on people net. I took a 2 hour brake and my 14 kept going “ didn’t stop my clock”. It only made my 10 hr brake 8.45

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

The option was probably not set-up within your ELD. Contact your safety department to verify.

@Ant-813

Жыл бұрын

@@rpruneau68 you’re a little late on that one bud lol

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@@Ant-813 Maybe for you but not necessarily for others Bud

Day 1, Sept 29, took a break. Clock kept ticking down. 30 min break working correctly for new rules tho. Continues to count down. 14hr clock still clicking down. So, it's not working as explained so far. UPDATE- YOUR COMPANY ADMINISTRATOR HAS TO GO INTO THE GEOTAB ADMINISTRATION SYSTEM, THEY NEED TO CHANGE EACH AND EVERY DRIVER'S HOURS OF SERVICE RULE SET TO INCLUDE THE SPLIT SLEEPER BERTH. WHY THIS IS A PAIN IN THE ASS INCONVENIENCE IS BEYOND ME. BUT THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.

@MrLuka90

3 жыл бұрын

Day 2, took 3 hours at recever, 14hours kept ticking. What is going on?

@djwilson48625

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrLuka90 You have to have your company go in, and change the rule set for each and every driver, because they have about 15 different rule sets, some include the 16 hours, some are 16 hour and rest break split sleeper, etc. We changed ours to 70/8day with 16hour exemption with split sleeper. plus I haven't tried it yet but I believe you have to be sleeper birth or off duty before that to stop the 14. Can't be on duty.

I still don't get it

I see few flaws in the video. At 4:18 did you mean 4 minutes or 4 hours in duty? At 4:45 I'm confused. Why are you showing the logs from before September updated rules and saying "if driver had exhausted his hours at 11 PM? Should've showed examples of logs instead of truck pictures. We see plenty of trucks in the road.

At 4:49 you stated that if the driver rests 7 hours after 11pm. he would regain 6 hours back. How would you regain 6 hours if you've already used 6 between 5pm and 11pm? I believe you'd meant to say 5.

@EVNL576

2 жыл бұрын

Hes correct, he regains 6 hours drive time again after the 7 hour Sleeper Berth.

After using the split sleeper birth of 2 off duty then kept driving for 4 more hours till I ran out of hours and went into sleeper birth, after 8 hours I only have 6:30 of driving and 9:08 of on duty instead of 11 and 14. Can I drive for 6 hours then go into sleeper for 2 hours to regain the 5 hours of drive time for a total of 11 hours?

@Bendigo1

2 жыл бұрын

No. You would have to do a 10 at that point. You can only use the split as one 10 hour break, split in two. You need to have hours left when you start a split. Because it doesn't reset the clock until both breaks are finished.

Jus had to argue with my dispatcher about this...He didnt even kno this

Day 1 of Update our ELogs were working correctly. 6 hour Live Load & the 14 hour clock paused at exactly 2 hours OFF duty. Day 6 of the Update - Company squashes the update & now we are back to old rules. Suuuuuuuuck!!!

This is good but I can see alot of drivers standing outside somewhere with no sleep and falling asleep at 3am , I guess it's like anything else though you have to use good judgment and common sense ( Something a lot of truck drivers don't possess anymore)

Well. Now it has to be in the sleeper or it doesn't count as split sleeper

@Bendigo1

2 жыл бұрын

Only the 7 or 8 hours

If the 2 breaks don't fully reset you then it's pretty pointless

Defund fmcsa please join Ooida 😎🇺🇸😎

@victorcastillo9413

3 жыл бұрын

OOIDA is worthless

@victorcastillo9413

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigandrus7821 Typical keyboard Rambo big man on the computer, ok super trucker. OOIDA WON'T DO SQUAT FOR THE SMALL OWNER OPERATOR, but if it's a big fish they can go after then they're all ears with your problem. But you go ahead good buddy keep on sending your money to them or anyone of the other so called truck organizations. Let me know when OOIDA stops the Mexican trucks from coming over our border, same thing with the Canadian trucks, wake me when one of these organizations does something about all the anti idling laws (when it's freezing or burning up) hey amigo let me know when OOIDA does something about IFTA in states like California who obviously don't give a damn about their roads, I could go on but my "break" is almost over.

@victorcastillo9413

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigandrus7821 I wish there would've had elogs 8 years ago because my good friend Al would probably still be alive today, you do know that before e logs brokers would push and push (just tear out a page and create a new set of hours) and so would dispatchers none cared if you ended up outside down in a ditch because you fell asleep (that's what happened to my friend Al. E logs eliminated those days of having to drive 15 to 20 hr days and having to wake up 2 or 3 hrs later and do it again. You need to be better informed good buddy.

@victorcastillo9413

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigandrus7821 if you're registered in California (which I unfortunately am) you're not driving an old truck that allowed you to run paper, I had a 1999 FLD that I bought in 2002 & and California kicked my truck out in 2018 because it was to old and my extension was about to expire, the guys that are driving old trucks in California will be out of luck January 2021 I think.

@victorcastillo9413

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigandrus7821 That's what I used to say (and I'm sure plenty of other guys like myself) but boy you outta see me now, don't like it but I need to make a living AND pay for this truck.

Does it have to be sleeper berth or can it just be off duty?

@ronaldjohnson7962

3 жыл бұрын

It can be off duty.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

The shorter of the two rest periods can be either; whereas, the longer rest period must be logged in the sleeper berth.

⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks

so they just made a 16 hour day. . . how does this help drivers? Companies are just going to force drivers to drive while tired more often now. Great!

@Bendigo1

3 жыл бұрын

Actually it can make it safer. The driver can now stop for 2 or 3 hours to take a nap without worrying about draining their 14 hour clock.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

That's not an accurate statement. The revised sleeper berth rule was enabled to PAUSE the work day clock and allow fatigued drivers the opportunity to rest during their shift and not get penalized for doing so. It really is a good thing an allows the driver more options to manage their time when they are fatigued or get held up midday from a shipper/receiver/traffic/weather/personal.

Can the “short” break be longer than the 3 hours? Ex: 4 hour off duty or sleeper, for a 4 hour pause on the 14 hour clock?

@paulpacheco7459

Жыл бұрын

No. You can ONLY pause your 14hr clock 2-3hrs, no more. It doesn’t matter if you take 4hrs because it will only pause it up to 3hrs. Example. On duty 0600 means your 14 is up by 2000 (8pm) Drive 0630-1230 Off duty or Sleeper 1230-1530 NOW 14hr clock is up at 2300 (11pm) because you “paused” it for 3hrs. At that point you can either take a normal 10hr break off duty or attempt a split of 7hrs in sleeper (but that’s a whole other issue to be learned.)

@BillMonroe-vg8gn

3 ай бұрын

Yes the short break can be whatever it's just a minimum it can be longer It stops the 14 and extends your 14

Ok. So I start my clock 10:00 drove for 4hrs stop. Sit off duty for 6:45 after all that time sitting my clock showing I have 7hrs remaining to drive so I did , I drove another 5hrs. Is that legal ?

@Bendigo1

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. But you have to complete a 7 hour sleeper birth period after stopping or you will be in violation.

@mihailoj2762

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bendigo1 Yes, but he drove for only 9 hours. Basically he can take a brake for an hour, and drive for 1 more hour.

so basically if I need to pause the clock because of traffic or something I can just pull over for a couple 3 hours and then continue on and run my day is normal and take ten off when I'm at my 14, AWESOME!!!!!!

@djwilson48625

3 жыл бұрын

This isn't working on Geotab. So keep an eye on this. UPDATE- FOR GEOTAB USERS, IN ORDER FOR THE SPLIT SLEEPER TO WORK LIKE IT SHOULD, YOUR COMPANY ADMINISTRATOR HAS TO GO IN AND CHANGE THE HOURS OF SERVICE RULE SET FOR EACH AND EVERY DRIVER, THE ONE THAT INCLUDES THE SPLIT SLEEPER BECAUSE THIS IS APPARENTLY THE COMPANY'S CHOICE TO LET YOU USE A SPLIT SLEEPER OR NOT.

@SoapinTrucker

3 жыл бұрын

Update: this new rule rocks I've been using it a lot, long as I stop for a 2 hours minimum it's like I never stopped once I'm up again I still have exactly the time left to drive, and work or break, that I started with when I first stopped, I love this it's excellent! 😎👍 Of course, I'll go off for 10 once I've gotten my 11 drive in for the shift! Love it!!!!!!

I have a HEADACHE🤯🤪🤯

@zodglubby

3 жыл бұрын

Me too, I just cant get it

@artbencomo

3 жыл бұрын

Same, things can never be simple 😖

Maybe, we should just be paid more

What if you take the 2 hours first and then the 8, does that 2 hours stop the clock.

@ronaldjohnson7962

3 жыл бұрын

The two hours will stop the clock

@Joe_334

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldjohnson7962 what if you accidently went on drive then went off duty for a flat tire which took three hours to fix, then needed another off duty freeze of the 14? Does it still keep counting down?

@ronaldjohnson7962

3 жыл бұрын

@@Joe_334 after two hours the clock stops. When you move again it starts back. You only can use it once. So when you drive again after taking at least a two hour break you can’t start another one.

@TruckinRoundTv

3 жыл бұрын

What if your in sleeper berth longer than 2hrs say you slept 4hrs 20mins does that count or you literally have to watch the clock and catch it at 2hrs

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@@TruckinRoundTv It will satisfy as part of the 3hr break combination, therefore if you choose to exercise the split sleeper berth option you will be required to log a minimum of 7hrs in the sleeper berth upon your next rest period.

Having driven over 20+years, in my experience using this makes a driver very exhausted. Its like taking a energy drink all day and the come down is hard to recover. The body is not used to sleeping in an erratic pattern and I fully believe this contributes to driver fatigue. I get tired, you know what I do, ..I go to sleep!. Now driving trucks already has a general notion of not having a working and living pattern thats 9-5... I get it. But to want to make it worse by driving the split break and figuring out when to use it is ridiculous. Government needs to get out of telling drivers when to drive, break, sleep and shit. Its uptimately up to the driver if they are going to make it or not. The world is not goimg to stop spinning if a load is late. GOD FORBID. Idiots like when the pandemic hit and rushed the grocery stores for toilet paper are the problem!

Can I drive 8 hours after going a 7 hour Sleeper Berth, take 1/2 Off Duty then continue to drive the 3 hour remaining time?

@Bendigo1

2 жыл бұрын

If you had that many hours to start with then yes, but if you drove for 5 hours after a 10 hr break then took 8 sleeper. You would only have 6hrs to drive before needing to do a 2hr break. Any break less than 2 hours does not count for the split sleeper rule.

@drivingdaily9560

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bendigo1 So, lets say I drove 4 hours. Then I'm stuck at a shipper for an additional 4 hours. How long can I drive when I leave the shipper? Then next day, do I have to take a 4 hr break or would the 10hr sleeper be sufficient?

@drivingdaily9560

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bendigo1 Crossing fingers

@Bendigo1

2 жыл бұрын

@@drivingdaily9560 If you used the 4 hours, Or even 2 of the 4 hours at the shipper as a 2 or 3 hour sleeper or off duty break. You would have 14-4drivetime, so 10 hours on the 14 and 7 drive time. Then subtract any other on duty time you had since starting the clock. After you do at least a 2 hour break You would have anything left that you had before starting the break. You can continue to work until that time runs out, then take a 7 or 8 in sleeper so that it combined with the short break equals at least 10. After the sleeper break. You would have only the time left after you subtract the on duty/driving time you used between the short break and sleeper break. You no not have to only spend 8 hours in sleeper but can go off duty AFTER the 8 sleeper for 2 more hours and get a full 10. Or you can use the time you got back to drive some more, then take a short break again like the previous day but will not get the full clock back.

@drivingdaily9560

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bendigo1 So, I ended up off the clock at the shipper about 6.5 hrs. I pressed on the Split button and it gave me 6.5 hours to drive and 7.5 on my 14. I only drove 4.5 that morning. I got to Baker, and shut down for my 10. Had a full clock the next morning! It worked for what I needed.

????

these red 3 hours are violation Cuz our aplication need to be reprogrammed..😀

Thought it all had to be sleeper berth rather than off-duty.

@Bendigo1

3 жыл бұрын

7 or 8 sleeper the rest can be off duty or sleeper. A total of at least 10 hours combined.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@@Bendigo1 The larger of the combination is to be logged in Sleeper Berth.

@Bendigo1

Жыл бұрын

@@rpruneau68 It actually does not matter. You can take 8 hours off duty and then do 7 in the sleeper. As long as you have at least 7 in sleeper and the off duty is less than 10 hours it is still counts.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@@Bendigo1 It does matter, because you wouldn't be allowed to take 7hrs off-duty and continue to operate a CMV legally. I will concede the scenario above that you proposed is correct but it will be extremely rare and not really beneficial to have consecutive split sleeper berth rest periods greater than 7 & 8 hours continuously. The logic being, if you had breaks of 5hrs and 9hrs the greater one is required to be spent in sleeper berth or the driver will be in violation.

@Bendigo1

Жыл бұрын

@@rpruneau68 The only limit on how long the off duty period can be is if the person is in the passenger seat as in running teams. The rule says that the combination of the two periods must include a sleeper birth period of AT LEAST 7 hours and a rest period of AT LEAST 2 hours with total of the two being AT LEAST 10 hours. There is no mention of the first or second or longer or shorter break needing to be in the sleeper. An example of when that could be used is if a driver is making a delivery near home. If the driver parks in the staging area of the customer with 7 hours driving and 8 hours on the 14, they take a 7 hour sleeper birth break to wait for delivery appointment, then spend 2 hours on duty delivering and drive 2 hours to drive home. They can then log off duty and go home and stay off duty for a 34 and still meet the split sleeper conditions.

too much information, running thru my brain, Im just going to do my 10 hour break, or else im going insane!

I'm getting a fkn headache..

Defund fmcsa and please join Ooida 😎🇺🇸😎

Harder to understand than rocket science.

@Bendigo1

2 жыл бұрын

It really isn't.

If you really think about it, it just makes your day get longer and you still get punished and have to sleep the full ten hours to get your time back instead of just sleeping the 7 or 8 hours with the split and getting all your time back. Too much common sense to do shhhiit right.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

The whole point is to allow for a fatigued driver to stop for a break and NOT get penalized for doing so since their work day clock is paused. Of course it will ultimately take longer to get to the destination but the new HOS split sleeper berth rule is much better and makes more sense since it doesn't force tired drivers to continue traveling in order to preserve their work day.

@joseholguin661

Жыл бұрын

@@rpruneau68 I appreciate your reply it makes since. If you sleep for 2 to 3 hours got to where you were gonna get in five hours. Why would you have to sleep another ten to get your hours back? This would make sense to a trucker.

@rpruneau68

Жыл бұрын

@@joseholguin661 The two scenarios that come to mind are the following: 1. A full 10hr rest period would reset your workday (14hr) clock and drive (11hr) time. 2. In order to legally return to duty and operate a CMV from a split sleeper berth rest period that extends the 14hr clock the driver need only satisfy the compliment of the combination rest period requirements. A mouthful yes. Simply put; if the driver rested for 2 or 3 hrs off-duty or sleeper berth, then they would be required to rest a minimum of 8 or 7 hrs logged IN SLEEPER BERTH in order to extend their 14hr clock. This scenario would NOT gain the driver a full reset since they are merely splitting their on-duty and drive time between rest periods.

@100pyatt

Жыл бұрын

⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks

Good video only 2 problems I saw. First, the example driver logs aren't showing pretrip inspections. Second, don't most people need to use the facilities after getting more than a nap? This off duty time isn't being showed either. Other than that great video.

Defund fmcsa please join Ooida make trucking great again